495W server power supply teardown (with schematic)

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
  • What's inside a Dell 495W server switching power supply, including the simplified schematic and how does it work. This is a less common topology, a double boost circuit (active PFC and a pre-regulator) followed by a synchronously rectified isolated halfbridge converter with no output inductor (probably non-PWM).
    Please support my channel on Patreon:
    / diodegonewild
    Instagram:
    / savage_danyk

КОМЕНТАРІ • 110

  • @rfmerrill
    @rfmerrill 27 днів тому +65

    I worked at Arista Networks from 2013-2016 or so and was qualifying power supplies with basically the same form factor as this, possibly same interface but hard to tell since they cut the end off (probably to harvest the gold plating). The ones we had were made by Artesyn/Emerson and Delta, exact same power rating 495W (although we also had bigger ones up to 750W and higher I think) and same +12V and 12Vsb. There are probably just the two power outputs, some control GPIOs, an analog current sharing signal that connects to the other power supply, and a PMBus interface (which is basically built on SMBus which is similar to I2C). I believe these power supplies can be configured for automatic fan control, but you can also read the temp sensor and control the fan via PMBus, which is desirable because you don't want the PSU fan doing its own thing separate from the main chassis fans, otherwise you can end up with reversed air flow when one is pushing harder than the other.

    • @xenoxaos1
      @xenoxaos1 25 днів тому +8

      We'd snap off the connector from dead ones that were no longer in warranty. Prevents swapping a dead one for another dead one.

  • @Novus_Ordo_Conditor
    @Novus_Ordo_Conditor 26 днів тому +73

    Even though he drew the schematic by hand, I have never seen anyone else draw such a good schematic. It's a great video, thank you.

  • @MiguelBaalm
    @MiguelBaalm 25 днів тому +14

    0:15
    80 Plus Platinum actually means it must be over 90% efficient :)
    (90% at 20% load, 94% at 50% load, 91% at 100% load).
    The specification: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  25 днів тому +25

      Well, that's a bit confusing :) but typically, they want to confuse the customer the other way. I'd expect a 90% efficient power supply to be called "95 Plus Diamond SuperMax Deluxe Pro" :D

    • @godfreypoon5148
      @godfreypoon5148 24 дні тому +1

      I assumed it meant something to do with a beverage suggestion.

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 22 дні тому +2

      @@DiodeGoneWild its just a legacy thing from the days when 80% efficiency was something special. Later they kept inventing more and more labels to accomodate the technological advancements. There used to be no gold or platinum :D

  • @WagTsX
    @WagTsX 27 днів тому +38

    I really wanted to see you trying to power it. Seems in a very good shape, most of server PSUs that I got, were covered in dust so hard that I could barely read the components. This one seems brand new or used in a very well regulated environment.

  • @mahdyfouad
    @mahdyfouad 25 днів тому +10

    12:23 this cute creature is more intelligent than a lot of engineers i know.

  • @pcrepairshop12
    @pcrepairshop12 25 днів тому +11

    nice video. its platinum rated power supply(92% efficient at half load) and server too not like dekstop like fan alone 2/3 of its volume, no wonder it bloody complex

  • @_________________404
    @_________________404 26 днів тому +7

    I barely understand anything about the electrical components but love watching it as always.

  • @EdwinSteiner
    @EdwinSteiner 26 днів тому +9

    Nice schematic and explanations! Seeing some measurements and waveforms of this thing in operation would be nice.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics 25 днів тому +4

    Nice supply. Packing lots of power in such a small size is quite an engineering achievement! I use a similar supply, albeit it's HP rather than Dell, as a central 12VDC supply for my lab.

  • @callmefoxie2950
    @callmefoxie2950 25 днів тому +5

    These power supplies in Dell R620 like to blow up with a large blast. Something on the bottom goes up in smoke and shorts live to neutral killing circuit breakers. However output still works and the other power supply in the server keeps the server up & running :D

  • @simonstergaard
    @simonstergaard 26 днів тому +24

    Lol... someone broke off the gold plated pcb connector

  • @markp7129
    @markp7129 25 днів тому +3

    What an awesome video. I have learned so much about switch mode PSUs and electronics because of you and your videos, thank you 😃😃😃

  • @wurgervomlichtenmoor5073
    @wurgervomlichtenmoor5073 25 днів тому +4

    It could be a fixed frequency resonant topology. Usually they are frequency controlled, but this can also work with the variable input voltage... I think. I've read that the diodes across the possible resonant capacitors limit the power and prevent capacitive operation. I've never seen a setup like this before...

  • @rfmerrill
    @rfmerrill 27 днів тому +23

    12:06 did you notice your old power supply is the same brand? :) Both made by Flextronics

    • @pomidorchikpopkerson8617
      @pomidorchikpopkerson8617 26 днів тому +4

      I work at the Flex factory

    • @longrunner258
      @longrunner258 24 дні тому

      Perhaps this arrangement is Flextronics' pet topology; I can't say I've seen it from any other manufacturer.
      Most other manufacturers would use the smaller inductor in an LLC resonant circuit (a few, such as the Seasonic G‑360, deliberately use a split‑bobbin transformer to get enough leakage inductance without needing a separate inductor) and not use the small 500V electrolytic capacitor.

  • @cheekibreeki904
    @cheekibreeki904 26 днів тому +9

    495 is an interesting number.

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +9

      Maybe some regulation requires it to contain something extra (that increases the manufacturing cost) from 500W up?

    • @xenoxaos1
      @xenoxaos1 25 днів тому +4

      Collocation charges... You can get billed on the number of height units typically 1U to 4U and how much power it can pull.

  • @Snowsea-gs4wu
    @Snowsea-gs4wu 27 днів тому +4

    Hi, thanks for the video Diode!

  • @airmann90
    @airmann90 27 днів тому +5

    Very neat psu, so much control circuitry. Would love to find a full schematic and really figure it out.

  • @user-vm1hi7bo5s
    @user-vm1hi7bo5s 26 днів тому +12

    Is it just me or the voice became somewhat worried/tired? Hope everything is okay.

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +15

      I've caught some creature, maybe THAT creature again, but it went away in about 4 days.

    • @versedbridge4007
      @versedbridge4007 25 днів тому +2

      @diodegonewild that's niiiiiice

    • @dipubiswas8520
      @dipubiswas8520 25 днів тому +1

      I like your voice as well as the videos......

  • @DuroLabs85
    @DuroLabs85 26 днів тому +11

    I think it might still work, just the card edge connector seems to have broke off when sliding it in the server or maybe servicing which may explain why it was in a such good condition from inside ??

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +5

      I was also surprised it's so clean. It comes from a scrap yard. Maybe they broke the board off because they keep copper wires (or gold plated sections) separately.

    • @xenoxaos1
      @xenoxaos1 25 днів тому +3

      ​@@DiodeGoneWildthese things are built like a tank. My guess is that it failed at one point and they broke off the connector to prevent it from getting back into the hot swap replacement bin as there are usually two of these in a single server.

    • @DuroLabs85
      @DuroLabs85 25 днів тому +1

      @@xenoxaos1 Yess, I always try to find these in the Local Market here where they have like retired server gear.

  • @phenome4973
    @phenome4973 25 днів тому +1

    Great video thansk for the great explanation. I've not seen the double boost topology unti watching your video 👍

  • @Roman00744
    @Roman00744 24 дні тому

    I have 1 of those but for PC server so it has wires, it's a very good and stable 12V power supply, yes you can't play with the voltage but you can use buck\boost converters.

  • @BDYT1422
    @BDYT1422 26 днів тому +10

    500V electrolytic? That’s also something new!

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +9

      Once I came across some giant 2200uF 500V capacitors, but otherwise just up to 450V.

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 25 днів тому +2

      Wow, they must' have been absolutely enormous! You certainly wouldn't want to get a shock off them. Instant death!

  • @FerrybigGaming
    @FerrybigGaming 26 днів тому +3

    I have an old server ATX power supply laying around here that has the ability for 2 different power plugs, where either of them can be disconnected without it affecting the output. Would something like that be interesting for the channel?

  • @andrewbowden1076
    @andrewbowden1076 24 дні тому

    Awesome video, Thanks for sharing!
    I wouldn't mind seeing you get your hands on a Hewlett Packard HSTNS-PL48-B, Specs are 100-120vac 7a/200-240vac 5a or 240vdc 4.5a In and 400vdc 2.4aMax out 550w or 960w depending on input volts.
    I plan to use it for charging batteries (solar setup).
    Unfortunately I have not been able to get it out of idle mode into standby mode as of yet.

  • @Alexelectricalengineering
    @Alexelectricalengineering 27 днів тому +8

    This one would be really hard to modify for a different output voltage, 2 years ago I modified 2 ATX PSU to go up to 20V!

    • @DuroLabs85
      @DuroLabs85 26 днів тому +2

      does the current capability stays the same though ? I doubt that it probably reduced the current a bit to match the power output.

    • @hopper7755
      @hopper7755 26 днів тому +1

      ​@@DuroLabs85you can keep tha max current rating as long as the output power is below maximum power the PSU is designed for
      For example i have modified a 300(real)Watt(12A rating on 12V line) PSU and it can deliver 24V@10A without problems. Just have to make sure the output diodes can take that much curren instead of trusting tha lable

    • @DuroLabs85
      @DuroLabs85 26 днів тому +2

      Okay. But then overvolting the output how does the Supervisory IC does not interfere ? Its probably made to lock in at 12V right ?
      I have to revisit Great Scotts Video Again he did the PSU modification I think.

    • @Alexelectricalengineering
      @Alexelectricalengineering 25 днів тому

      @@DuroLabs85 Well you should not go over the maximum total output power. My is 500W, I think original it was 12V 20A and the rest was the 5V and 3.3V, so now it's 20V and 20A that's 400W. I no longer use the 5 V and 3.3V, actually I completely removed all the components for the 5V and 3.3V. And about the supervisor IC you need to cut a trace on the PCB.

    • @hopper7755
      @hopper7755 25 днів тому +1

      ​@@DuroLabs85 Just dont use PSUs where the supervisor is build in the PWM CTRL. IC. That can be foolde too but at that point just find different PSU

  • @janno288
    @janno288 25 днів тому

    My friend and I watched your Video and he suprised me when he showed me that he has the same power supply.
    I couldnt believe it.
    Great Video ad always! Please continue doing videos without tiktok garbage!

  • @jaakkolehto1487
    @jaakkolehto1487 25 днів тому

    Just managed to fix my PC that Windows updates messed up, and the first thing is a new video by DGW!

  • @Paxmax
    @Paxmax 23 дні тому

    Wow! There seems to be alot of computing power to control this thing. Looks like it could be on par with a Beaglebone 😅

  • @tajtrlik1111
    @tajtrlik1111 25 днів тому

    Ďalšie skvelé video s reverse-engineeringom spínaného zdroja, paráda a mačička tiež vždy poteší 😀.

  • @teslapavel
    @teslapavel 23 дні тому

    Někdo byl asi nakupovat na burze ve Frenštátě pod Radhoštěm :D Jinak pěkné video.

  • @borisdg
    @borisdg 25 днів тому

    Flextronics (FLEX) are superb PSU manufacturer. Top 1 for me. Just will say they made the excellent Corsair AX1200/1600i PSU. They are also contracted for most Apple chargers.

  • @bisnetodeportugues
    @bisnetodeportugues 26 днів тому

    Good job 👍... greetings from Brazil..🇧🇷

  • @Speeder84XL
    @Speeder84XL 25 днів тому

    Very interesting to see all the different designs of switching power supplies. Seemed a little odd to use a boost converter in the second stage before the transformer. The most logical would be to use a buck converter for that (especially given the already high voltage coming from the PFC stage).
    Given the power and voltages, currents are not very large either (because that could otherwise be a reason to design like this - increase the voltage to not have to handle as much current and be able to use thiner wires, get less ripple current in the capacitors and such things). But for something that is only intended to output a set voltage, the regulation range isn't an issue.

  • @lmwlmw4468
    @lmwlmw4468 23 дні тому

    Great work.

  • @saarike
    @saarike 25 днів тому

    Simply nice!!! Thank you.

  • @frommarkham424
    @frommarkham424 21 день тому

    Awesome device

  • @user-sz7mc3yd6c
    @user-sz7mc3yd6c 13 днів тому

    رائع
    شكرا لك على الشرح القيم

  • @TechnoEveryday
    @TechnoEveryday 26 днів тому

    Great as always 🎉🎉🎉

  • @trevoro.9731
    @trevoro.9731 25 днів тому

    The schematic is rather simple, the thing is not built to last, not zero voltage switching. I wonder if there are any alternatives with higher rating (titanium).

  • @fernandosanchez6507
    @fernandosanchez6507 25 днів тому

    damn the inside it's beautiful

  • @alexloktionoff6833
    @alexloktionoff6833 23 дні тому

    Can you make a video about double boost PSU? What is efficiency of each stage? What are the strong and weak points? Why don't we see such architecture in PCs?

  • @alexloktionoff6833
    @alexloktionoff6833 26 днів тому +1

    But why not to use boost + buck converter then? After the buck state voltage will have less difference from the output, so efficiency will be higher due to lower conversion ratio. Or just use single SEPIC instead of boost+buck?

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +1

      I was also wondering about this, but I guess a boost regulator is easier as it doesn't require a floating gate drive.

    • @alexloktionoff6833
      @alexloktionoff6833 25 днів тому

      @@DiodeGoneWild buck can be made without a high driver, it's just a matter what side to consider high ;) Switch nMOS from the ground, but place capacitor and half bridge converter on +Vdd

  • @ol3r
    @ol3r 19 днів тому

    It would be interesting to know , if there is a chance to modify this supply to 13.8V output. They produces harmonic free and RF clean output DC voltage suitable for powering radiostation etc. I have two pieces of 800W variant. They are working. How to start them is easy to find. But they give max 12.6V out.

  • @xenoxaos1
    @xenoxaos1 25 днів тому +2

    FYI... The PFC can be disabled via software in the server control system

    • @DuroLabs85
      @DuroLabs85 25 днів тому +2

      @@xenoxaos1 Ohh intresting, but why would they want to like disable the PFC ?

    • @xenoxaos1
      @xenoxaos1 25 днів тому +3

      @@DuroLabs85 less stress on the internal components... Less heat... And if your utility doesn't measure actual power and just measures current and voltage (not phased) then it would be cheaper to run

    • @DuroLabs85
      @DuroLabs85 25 днів тому

      @@xenoxaos1 Ohh that makes sense, Thank You :)

    • @longrunner258
      @longrunner258 24 дні тому

      Then how is the boost circuit driven (since it needs to still boost the voltage in this design)?

  • @oxullo
    @oxullo 25 днів тому

    I guess that the output mosfets are load switches, as these psus usually are installed in couples for redundancy and they're hot-swap

  • @Chuckiele
    @Chuckiele 22 дні тому

    honestly I think they only removed the gold plated contacts. Id try turning it on :D

  • @jawadBOOM
    @jawadBOOM 26 днів тому +1

    ThanK you ❤❤

  • @collinsmwaura1833
    @collinsmwaura1833 24 дні тому

    Is there a possibility that it could be a resonant LLC converter topology after the PFC cicuit?

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  24 дні тому

      I think if it was resonant, it would regulate the output voltage by frequency modulation (tuning closer to or further from resonance), and thus it would NOT need the second boost stage as a regulator. I'd have to open the transformer - if the windigs were loosely coupled, there's still some chance it is resonant, but I doubt it.

  • @mini_tamm
    @mini_tamm 26 днів тому

    Hey. What about making video about different SMPS designs in one video? And comparison of them? Would be longer video/series.

  • @ronaldbartiano3613
    @ronaldbartiano3613 26 днів тому

    Please next,pulse induction metal detector

  • @dxdxdxxd
    @dxdxdxxd 25 днів тому +1

    How can i donate some PSU for you? (Am from czech :) )

  • @epmuoibon
    @epmuoibon 24 дні тому

    look like interleaved PFC

  • @a.lisnenko
    @a.lisnenko 25 днів тому +1

    Please power it and fix it if it can be fixed.

  • @mrlux0716
    @mrlux0716 26 днів тому

    danyk a question, is it possible to calculate the temperature that a magnetic ballast of a fluorescent reaches in a situation of a stuck starter without doing it in practice, by the current in the circuit or by the mass of the ballast, I wanted to know the temperature that some of my ballasts would reach but without leaving them frying in practice

    • @LMB222
      @LMB222 26 днів тому +1

      You can't without knowing how/where they are mounted.
      This value is seen in components as "W/K", i.e. how many watts will be radiated before the case goes one kelvin (=1 °C) up.

    • @LMB222
      @LMB222 26 днів тому

      Power consumption of a ballast in a short circuit can be calculated only if you have the induction value of it (H).

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +4

      They typically say the abnormal temperature rise. There tend to be 3 or 4 thermal numbers on them. The first one is the winding rated temperature (for 100 000h life), most often "tw130" (130°C). The second number is the normal temperature rise, typically something from 20 (in super low loss ballasts) to 80 (°C). Then it might say the capacitive temperature rise (in a capacitive branch with a series capacitor in a lead/lag compensated pair), which is slightly higher than the normal temperature rise due to harmonics. For example 35c. And finally, the last number is the abnormal temperature rise. It can be anything from 50 to lets say 175 degrees, which bakes it in case of a stuck starter :). But keep in mind, that the abnormal temperature rise is measured also at 110% of the input voltage, so in reality it's not that bad. Some example of a low loss inductor marking: tw130 / 30 / 35c / 75. Some example from a crappy standard loss one, with no capacitive branch rating: tw 130 / 60 / 175. (60 is the normal t rise, 175 is the abnormal)

    • @longrunner258
      @longrunner258 24 дні тому

      ​@@DiodeGoneWild I'm a bit surprised the higher-loss ballasts aren't required to have a thermal cut‑out in case the starter remains stuck (let's face it, most stores just leave a few lights in that state indefinitely); then again, peeking at some of the IEC standards has me disillusioned with them in general (impedance‑protected motors are also allowed quite a lot of leeway) so I don't expect that much…

  • @MichaelShiferaw-ju2nf
    @MichaelShiferaw-ju2nf 24 дні тому

    Make drsstc plz

  • @johnshaw359
    @johnshaw359 23 дні тому

    Properly made PSU safe and cheap.

  • @filenotfound__3871
    @filenotfound__3871 25 днів тому

    Now try to get it to power on and test it!
    There was nothing on the part of the PCB that is broken, just connections

  • @jimis04
    @jimis04 25 днів тому

    The control circuitry looked more than a tv tcon...too packed and complicated. A psu you dont want to fail in your hands and have to repair with or without schematic, little difference would it make

  • @jaanbhanoojo1984
    @jaanbhanoojo1984 26 днів тому

    Sir can you please explain how to calculate numbers of truns of flyback transformer is there any simple calculation method

  • @AllLoudNation365
    @AllLoudNation365 26 днів тому

    I recently took apart a broken ps4 (PlayStation 4) and took out the power supply and the motherboard. Im gonna use them as decor.

  • @AugustineAriola
    @AugustineAriola 25 днів тому

    This PSU is complex and complicated. My level of electronics certainly is below this design.

  • @uncontrollabledogs3791
    @uncontrollabledogs3791 25 днів тому

    Holy sh@t! Too bloody complicated and too cramped in there.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 26 днів тому +1

    So let's take a look at iiitttt...

  • @stevenbliss989
    @stevenbliss989 26 днів тому +2

    Overengineered partial CRAP! I know there is a lot of safety stuff needed to not BLOW UP server MB, but really all of today's server PSU are INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!
    Just use some GaN's and a straight forward LLC or similar topology and you are done.

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  26 днів тому +1

      Yes, the complexity of something that just produces two voltages, is totally crazy ;)

    • @TheTallGirl
      @TheTallGirl 25 днів тому +1

      That power supply is ancient. It is like saying, why they used vacuum tubes when you can just use transistors. There was no GaN's back then.

    • @stevenbliss989
      @stevenbliss989 21 день тому

      @@TheTallGirl I was referring to today's server PSU's.
      I used to maintain Dell servers, and none of them used Gan's yet, being a ten year on design.
      One INSANE thing about servers, that sellers LIE and LIE about is how long they last.
      A server can easily last 50 years, with maybe one time PSU change over due to caps not making it, and hard drive change overs.
      Where I worked, and because newer server were not much faster, we planned to keep using them for another 5-8 years, but were forced to change them because the EVIL EVIL M$ made it impossible to stay software compatible.

  • @alexloktionoff6833
    @alexloktionoff6833 26 днів тому

    Boost converters have low efficiency, and have two of them is series and have >80% efficiency is interesting.

    • @Calandron1
      @Calandron1 26 днів тому

      Boost converters can have fantastic effeciencies. Even low voltage boost converters can beat 90%.

    • @Calandron1
      @Calandron1 26 днів тому +1

      Oh, and this is being used as a PFC Boost circuit. So typically input of (120-240v). At 240v I am 100% sure the boost stage is >97% effeciency. Talking 2.5 amps max to hit the power rating, this is a situation for a boost converter

    • @alexloktionoff6833
      @alexloktionoff6833 26 днів тому

      @@Calandron1 interesting. I think 90% is possible only with a very little voltage difference

    • @alexloktionoff6833
      @alexloktionoff6833 26 днів тому

      @@Calandron1 wow, in this PSU they use diodes, hard to believe in 97%

  • @anandakrishnan9462
    @anandakrishnan9462 25 днів тому

    80 Plus Platinum 🫠
    That Power supply might be bloody expensive 🤑🤑