This technique is shown and described in the Bubishi.It is described in article:The forty-eight self-defense diagrams.It is illustrated in diagram no.34(Phoenix pecking at a pearl).Originally,after blocking(receiving) attacker's punch into the torso you block with the osae uke then follow up with the Phoenix fist(ippon ken,aka keikoken;shoken).It's obvious that ippon ken was transformed into the gyaku zuki at some point in time but the concept is identical to one another.
I've seen another version of this opening move that uses the hand drawing back as a ridge hand strike to the neck, while the other hand pulse your opponent in towards you.
Interesting that you should mention that, Jim. We were exploring that last night. We were working on the drill linked here. ua-cam.com/video/0r4oLRVU0_U/v-deo.html We used the ridge hand as we entered the clinch which was followed by the knees and the Nijushiho "snap down", bicep bump and choke. It's a long video. the two-person drill starts at 1:18.
Thanks Andy. Nice, I appreciate your insight. As far as I'm concerned all thats neccessary for combat skill can be found in kata and kime. Kumite has rules the streets do not. New sub. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
The application looks nothing like the kata in terms of movement. These bunkai videos are pure nonsense, just train the application I partner drills and eventually sparring.
@@AppliedShotokan there is no point in any interpretation,all kata are useless in every art,totally ineffective traing method.Just do partner drills building speed and tesistance gradually and then isolation spar and finally intergrate it into full sparring or scenario training.There is no place for kata anywhere if combat efficiency is your goal.If tradition or moving meditation or health is your goal,no interpretation is needed.
@@chriswheeler6838 shadowing is a supplemental drill used to warm up and rehearse skills that have already been learned and proven in sparring, they arent technically totally different as kata movements are.Same goes for wrestling solo drills,the movents ate the same as live wrestling,so they are not analogpus to kata at all,thats where your argument is invalid.
@@scarred10 How you described shadowboxning as a warmup/rehearsal of skills is exactly how I see kata. You will not find a good boxing/wrestling coach who doesn't advocate for supplemental shadowboxing on top of all the drilling and sparring. And so it's the same for me and kata. It is something to be added onto the drills and sparring, to help polish and reinforce what is already known and proven. FYI - I'm not a karate person, but I am interested in their ideas. My background is Nintai Ryu Aikijujitsu, Judo, and Combatives/RBSD. In both "japanese based" systems we only start to learn katas afters years of doing everything else. Andy and other like him are trying to rediscover the lost drills/tactics that led to the creation of the kata. I'm here because the drills that they are coming up with are actually decent on their own. And if I can share some of what I learned, to expose them to new ideas/techniques, the world is made better for it. The more I look at karate katas from my outsider's optics, the more I see hidden techniques in these katas. Stuff that I've learned that I don't normally see in any karate corriculum. Not everything is an idiotic strike or block like the "traditional purists" would have you believe. There are chokes, pins, limb destruction, throws and more all hidden in there. But they are hidden because: 1) the old Japanese teachers purposely changed the kata to hide the techniques 2) as some teachers got old and fat they couldn't do it properly themselves and so their students learned a poorly executed version of the kata. That means in the modern world, teachers need to flex their imagination when trying to (re)discover the practical drills that led to the creation of the kata. And that's exactly what Andy and other great teachers like him are doing. Now then, you can continue to be a troll... or you can better than that and actualy participate by providing constructive criticism. Without telling anyone they're dumb, help improve what it is they are doing and presenting. How would you improve the drills he's presenting? What hidden tactics/techniques do you see inthe kata? Share your own videos...
Always great to see how you apply Shotokan techniques and make them real in close combat situations. Thank you!
Thank you for your comment. Much appreciated!
This technique is shown and described in the Bubishi.It is described in article:The forty-eight self-defense diagrams.It is illustrated in diagram no.34(Phoenix pecking at a pearl).Originally,after blocking(receiving) attacker's punch into the torso you block with the osae uke then follow up with the Phoenix fist(ippon ken,aka keikoken;shoken).It's obvious that ippon ken was transformed into the gyaku zuki at some point in time but the concept is identical to one another.
Great content, as usual! I quite enjoy watching your videos and Interpretations of Kata.
I'm glad you are enjoying the videos. Thanks for your support.
I've seen another version of this opening move that uses the hand drawing back as a ridge hand strike to the neck, while the other hand pulse your opponent in towards you.
Interesting that you should mention that, Jim. We were exploring that last night. We were working on the drill linked here. ua-cam.com/video/0r4oLRVU0_U/v-deo.html We used the ridge hand as we entered the clinch which was followed by the knees and the Nijushiho "snap down", bicep bump and choke. It's a long video. the two-person drill starts at 1:18.
Interesting application. I do like your reading of that kata thats going to inspire me.
Lovely content, and I really like your presentation. 😊
Nice application!!!
Love this! This is my favorite kata!
love your work, that kata has a similar ending to Seisan kata
Thank you, Steve. The same movement can be found in unsu.
Fantastic
Ouch.
Thanks Andy. Nice, I appreciate your insight. As far as I'm concerned all thats neccessary for combat skill can be found in kata and kime. Kumite has rules the streets do not. New sub.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Thank you, Stephan!
Ironically, given the shotokan connection, this is almost exactly what Jon Jones did to Lyoto Machida.
The application looks nothing like the kata in terms of movement. These bunkai videos are pure nonsense, just train the application I partner drills and eventually sparring.
I would love to see your interpretation of these movements. Please send me a link to your video so we can all be properly educated.
@@AppliedShotokan there is no point in any interpretation,all kata are useless in every art,totally ineffective traing method.Just do partner drills building speed and tesistance gradually and then isolation spar and finally intergrate it into full sparring or scenario training.There is no place for kata anywhere if combat efficiency is your goal.If tradition or moving meditation or health is your goal,no interpretation is needed.
@@scarred10 how do you feel about "shadow boxing"? What about solo drills?
@@chriswheeler6838 shadowing is a supplemental drill used to warm up and rehearse skills that have already been learned and proven in sparring, they arent technically totally different as kata movements are.Same goes for wrestling solo drills,the movents ate the same as live wrestling,so they are not analogpus to kata at all,thats where your argument is invalid.
@@scarred10 How you described shadowboxning as a warmup/rehearsal of skills is exactly how I see kata. You will not find a good boxing/wrestling coach who doesn't advocate for supplemental shadowboxing on top of all the drilling and sparring. And so it's the same for me and kata. It is something to be added onto the drills and sparring, to help polish and reinforce what is already known and proven. FYI - I'm not a karate person, but I am interested in their ideas. My background is Nintai Ryu Aikijujitsu, Judo, and Combatives/RBSD. In both "japanese based" systems we only start to learn katas afters years of doing everything else.
Andy and other like him are trying to rediscover the lost drills/tactics that led to the creation of the kata. I'm here because the drills that they are coming up with are actually decent on their own. And if I can share some of what I learned, to expose them to new ideas/techniques, the world is made better for it.
The more I look at karate katas from my outsider's optics, the more I see hidden techniques in these katas. Stuff that I've learned that I don't normally see in any karate corriculum. Not everything is an idiotic strike or block like the "traditional purists" would have you believe. There are chokes, pins, limb destruction, throws and more all hidden in there. But they are hidden because:
1) the old Japanese teachers purposely changed the kata to hide the techniques
2) as some teachers got old and fat they couldn't do it properly themselves and so their students learned a poorly executed version of the kata.
That means in the modern world, teachers need to flex their imagination when trying to (re)discover the practical drills that led to the creation of the kata. And that's exactly what Andy and other great teachers like him are doing.
Now then, you can continue to be a troll... or you can better than that and actualy participate by providing constructive criticism. Without telling anyone they're dumb, help improve what it is they are doing and presenting. How would you improve the drills he's presenting? What hidden tactics/techniques do you see inthe kata? Share your own videos...
This is nonsense, the kata isnt performed like that application at all.
Perhaps you could film something better and share it?
Uh huh...OK Boomer. (You have a lot to learn. Can you spell etiquette?)