Pygmy puffs or puffskeins of each house colour, since that would be very cute and definitely reads, "Safest school ever" because we're already misleading people with that, why not mislead people with the mascots too?
I always thought that each founder chose their patronus as their house’s mascot. That would make the animal relate to the specific founder over the traits of their house, good and bad.
No it wouldn't. Your Patronus is a representation of your secret self, a part of you that is hidden but which is brought to light in extreme circumstances. Rarely does a Patronus reflect one's favourite animal or the animal most like their outward personality, and such a case reflect's one inability or unwillingness to hide their secret self and comfortability showing who they truly are. That's why I like the idea of the house mascots being their Patronuses and Ravenclaw's being a raven - one of Ravenclaw's valued traits is individuality and Rowena would embody that and not have a secret self and so her Patronus would be reflective of her personality, and the raven is the most intelligent bird.
Slytherin: i'll go with a snake because i can talk to them. Gryffindor: i'll go with a lion because they represent my values, and also they are awesome Hufflepuff: i'll go with badgers because of what they represent. I also find them cute. Ravenclaw: egle
J and Ben made an entire video on Ravenclaw's eagle. Apparently, "raven claw" is either Old English or Early Modern English for the "black claw" of an eagle.
I personally think each one has different rules. Gryffindor picked Lion to represent his ideals and the tie-in with his namesake. Slytherin picked Snake because he’s a Parselmouth. Hufflepuff picked Badger because they represent her ideals, because their commonality would match her willingness to accept all students, and honestly because I think she’d be the type to think they’re adorable. Ravenclaw’s is a bit more complicated (which is in character for her); I’ll bet that her family were Falconers (Eaglers?), raising and training hunting birds. That would be the origin of a name like Ravenclaw - people still have the surname Faulkner with the same origin. (I think you talked about that in another video?) Edits: But the Patronus / Animagus theory makes just as much sense. Heck, my reasons could be part of why they would have the corresponding Patronus.
@@derpyderp8559 Not Rabbit if you don't mind terribly. He would be more of a Ravenclaw (and so would Owl for that matter). Rabbit could also be a Slytherin, but he is not a Hufflepuff.
@@hopeakya plot twist every creature is actually magical but we see them as a normal animal. If a human can become magical why wouldn't a creature be magical? Did you know that praying is actually real magic we muggles cast. Just like are words have magic that we can manifest in to the real world. Just by believing in yourself you are using magic that you manifest later in life.
Guys we need to start a petition to get Ben and J to be directors for a Hogwarts Founders series! That skit was seriously good!! edit: wow thank you for all the likes its the most i've gotten!
@@ashleymcgovern1822 often in a huge show there's a ton of producers, and there definitely will be a huge team for something as big as a harry potter show. No one is expecting them to let two UA-camrs create the whole thing, however you don't need a ton of directing experience to have genuinely good ideas for the story. I think Ben and J deserve a spot at that table.
I think it was more a case of they were the sensible, responsible ones. Gryffindor and Slytherin were basically just like brothers, always messing around with and fighting each other. So yeah they definitely would've had to act like their mothers at times.
I love the idea that Godric and Salazar were just two bros goofing off all the time and Salazar ended up as a statue. Meanwhile, a thousand years later everyone thinks it was much more serious... 😂😂
Two best moments: “lions, just like all other living creatures, cannot exist in fire!” “Slytherin’s is pretty easy to explain. Snakes are snakes.” The freaking deadpan killed me!!
Although in different folklore salamanders are often strongly associated wwith fire and beleived to be able to live in it or even sometimes be born in it, I think.
I think they choose non-magical animals so that it would be easier to disguise Hogwarts as a normal school when muggles see a Hogwarts uniform or merch owned by children.
Another idea is since a lot of the people who came to the school would be muggleborns who haven't experienced the community (doesn't really hold up with Slytherin but again he was able to talk to snakes so he's an outlier no matter what) it could have been to make the transition between the two worlds easier with animals they are familiar with
I was thinking dragon... but I also wasn't thinking about the Three Blind Pigs story at all for some reason (until I read your comment and realized that's what he was going for).
I always assumed, they chose regular animals over magical ones as their mascots to yet again ensure secrecy of the school against muggles. In case muggles found some object with the school logo on it, they would just assume it'd be a regular british private school.
But people would think the school logo is a magical creature not that the school was magic, afterall some schools irl do that and of course they aint magic
@@khadijasenghor286 Uh... I'm pretty sure you're not "actually" any of these fictional houses, much less the fan-invented "cross-houses." Try to keep some perspective here. I love Harry Potter too but it's still a fairy tale written by a British lady for her kids in a coffee shop. Your "house" is nothing more than a fun personality quiz.
I love the reasoning behind Scotland choosing unicorns. England's animal is a lion, no one (or very few) in England had seen a lion, so logically unicorns were just as likely to exist. Scotland "You want a lion, as your nation animal? You've never even seen one. Hmmph! Well if you're a lion, I'm a unicorn."
"hey salazar, what would happen if you put chicken eggs under a toad" I could totally picture salazar and godric making that bet, and then make rowena create the chamber of secrets.👏👏👏 Also please, create a founder series with Ben playing everyone.🙏🙂
@@brocautry5063 a sphinx gives riddles with set answers. An eagle for the mascot has no set answer that can be proven and thus is open for interpretation for anyone to discuss!
@@alixmalone19 Fair. I guess it depends on whether you think a creature that tests your brain or something that makes you think about secret hidden meanings is a better fit.
My personal theory was that the animals were their respective Animagus forms/Patronuses. But shoutout to the Isolt Sayre and the Boot siblings for actually understanding the assignment.
I have a fic on Ao3 where this is the explanation for Ravenclaw's! Fic name is Castle Flippers and it's basically just like the skits in this video, it's goofy sitcom nonsense where all the founders are huge dorks lol
I think that it is a very good explanation. I was also wondering (I am surprised that he didn’t mention it) that perhaps the animals represented their families. If the founders were noble (likely since they were educated and rich enough to make a school) they might have heraldic symbols from their families. Badgers don’t fit that well this idea but both eagles and lions are very common heraldic symbols and if the Slytherins can talk to snake it makes sense that their symbol was a snake.
Yeah, probably patronuses, seeing as certain patronus tell you about their respective caster. Animagus would be cool, but I don't think so because it's never established that the founders are animagi; one would think that, if they were, this would be well known about them, seeing as that's a pretty big bragging point, going through the animagus transformation and getting such cool creatures. Either way, both thoughts would explain why 1. Ravenclaw is an **eagle** and 2. Hufflepuff is an European badger instead of the better known honey badger. Patronus does seem more likely, due to the Slytherin snake being so nondescript, seeing as most danger noodles look like other species of danger noodle.
The idea that they all chose animals that hunt/kill snakes made me laugh, because it just sounds like they were mad/teamed up to make fun of Salazar or something XD
When he said "What Huffs and Puffs?" I said to myself "DRAGON!" And then he said "Wolf" and I legit thought he was joking... Nope, he leaned into it and chose Werewolf... Which I mean...yes...make sense. But Dragon would have been AWESOME!
I was the exact same. Until I realized he was basing his answer off of The Three Blind Pigs... and then I understood how his answer made sense. Edit: but I still wanted him to say dragon
8:05 Snakes do represent those things. And for a long time. One of the most known myths is the one with snake convinving a woman to eat an apple to achieve his goal. Conned her right on the spot.
6:57 - 7:01 "Actually, Scotland sent an owl this morning, and it looks like they've called dibs on unicorns." This should not be as funny as it is.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My headcanon was always that they were the Patronuses of the Founders, which would explain why they were connected to each founder. Plus it would mean that Slytherin having a snake and Gryffindor having a lion (aka 1/2 of a griffin) was just pure coincidence which is kinda hilarious. Just imagine Slytherin casting a Patronus for the first time and a huge snake jumps out and the other founders are just cracking up because "of course it's a snake! Slytherin! Slither like a snake!"
Your impersonation of the founders made me want to read an entire fanfiction about it! it was sooo good. It also kinda reminded me of the marauders which I find so cool 😊
I always had the theory that each animal was the Patronus of their respective founders. It'd make sense because you don't get to choose your Patronus and each animal does kind of add up with each founder.
"It is usual, but not inevitable, for a Patronus to take the form of an animal commonly found in the caster’s native country." "Most uncommon of all possible Patronuses are magical creatures such as dragons, Thestrals and phoenixes." Source: www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm
"Lions don't live in England..." Actually, there is a species of lion that was native to the British Isles during the ice age, and lions were not entirely hunted to extinction in Europe until after the founding of Hogwarts. Many Scottish clans feature lions on their heraldry, including McNamara and McLamont (I'm descended from both)
the lion iconography in European royal banners and house crests comes from the Roman era where lions imported from northern Africa were used in gladiator arenas. Because lions were so powerful creatures they became a symbol for bravery and strength and then later a sign of royalty when pretty much every royal house in medieval Europe put them on their coat of arms (even though these lions look misshapen af) nobody in Europe knew about the original ice age lions before the fossils started to get discovered ...
Slytherin's snake mascot could be a slow-worm. It looks like a snake, is actually silver in colour, lives in abundance in the UK, and fits with the worm idea you mentioned in the video. I just thought that was kinda funny, so there you go i guess :))
In the flims each of the houses crests looks like a family crest, maybe each founder chose that animal from their respective family crests because they were proud of their heritage, but this fits into the theory that they chose a house mascot based of their names.
It can’t be a coincidence that both Potions masters we know were Slytherins and the bowl of Hygieia (a snake twined around a cup) is a symbol of pharmacy - muggle potion making.
I also like the thought of Slytherin being a pharmacist/healer. (They didn't really differentiate the professions at that time.) The snake would fit really well in there. And the Slytherin common room, being near the potions classroom is also fitting. And potion ingredients would stay fresh for longer periods in the colder cellar/dungeons of Hogwarts. Its highly probable, that Slytherin chose his quarters and the quarters of his students closer to his workplace. He wouldn't have wanted to walk through the entire castle for some late night brewing.
I think if i could pick magical animals i would probably say Gryffindor: Gryffin (like come on obviously) but also because they're also a symbol of bravery and courage Slytherin: Basilisk (again pretty obvious) Ravenclaw: Centaurs (because they are one of the most wise magical creatures which fits the ideals of Ravenclaw house) Hufflepuff: Pegasus (as they are fiercely loyal and friendly creatures)
I came so early that no one I could see mentioned HOW AMAZING THE FOUNDERS SKETCH/STORY BIT WAS!!! I so want to read or listen to their founders origins!!!!
I tend to believe that Godric was always running about with a giant lion following closely behind and he's like "oh you can pet him if you are daring and brave enough to risk your arm and life, like any true Gryffindor would" And everyone else be like: "😳 I think we gonna look at the cute badger of Helga but thanks"
@@diyavatsavai5778 Muggles! In a world where Muggles are terrified of witches and wizards and often would try and attack them, it might be nice to have a contingency plan if they managed to get the location of Hogwarts from a muggleborn student and then attacked. And what better contingency plan is there than a giant murder snake only Slytherin and his descendants can control?
Yeah, it could have been a defense against someone who is attacking the castle, not specifically muggle borns. Protection from someone like Grindelwald or Voldemort himself.
@@maheshmestry5371 Fair point, but it is Dark magic and I doubt the other Founders would've approved. Or maybe that's how Slytherin thought, didn't want to tell them. Can't say for sure. But the basis of this whole theory is that he wasn't a blood purist, that was just a warped view people like Voldy and the Blacks and them had of his ideas.
Also basilisk works way better as a defence mechanism than a weapon for attack on specific group of people (Muggle borns) mixed with others (pure-blooded) - that would be very ineffective or dangerous, too many of "his" people would die. While being the last defence, basilisk would be a weapon of mass killing: you put all your warriors inside the castle and make the basilisk go in front of the castle walls. Enemies are dead or petrified. Easy. Or it could be used on enemies climbing over the walls. Or, if the enemy is inside the castle already, you can use basilisk even more effectively - in the corridors (enemies need to look around very well in order to not fall into some trap, so they would look into basilisk's eyes for sure). Basilisk as muggleborns killer doesn't make any sense to me. Extremely ineffective, dumb and dangerous for other people. You would be able to kill much more people just by using hair pins (you can actually kill with them, it's not a joke). Or with a nice dagger. Or a sword. Or by a poison. Or by using magic! We're talking about magical school, don't tell me Salazar wouldn't be able to come up with a better idea than basilisk, he was very intelligent.
Honey Badgers also stand up to literal Lions and Eagles which essentially makes Hufflepuff the most badass house, standing up to all 3 of the others without fear #HufflepuffPride
He didn't hate them though, he mistrusted them because of the hate towards magic in their time. Because of the prejudice they dealt with at the time it is understandable at the time, but it should have been gone by the time of the series, since it took place in the 90s.
@@Deerhunterjs "Slytherin’s discrimination on the basis of parentage was considered an unusual and misguided view by the majority of wizards at the time. Contemporary literature suggests that Muggle-borns were not only accepted, but often considered to be particularly gifted. They went by the affectionate name of ‘Magbobs’ (there has been much debate about the origin of the term, but it seems most likely to be that in such a case, magic ‘bobbed up’ out of nowhere)." -Pottermore/Wizarding World (Pure Blood)
Ravens and crows are some of the smartest and cleverest birds as they have been proven to be quite good at problem solving... I always thought the bird was a raven or crow... not eagle but I might be wrong.
I’d thoughts on the theory that states that each founder of Hogwarts made their own secret room. Slytherin - Chamber of Secrets (duh), Gryffindor - Headmasters office, Hufflepuff - Room of Requirement, Ravenclaw - Unknown/lost though is likely only accessible when the stairs form a certain pattern
"Why not pick a basilisk? You have a huge one!" - "The snake is designed to not be any particular kind of snake."... With the basilisk speaking parcel tongue, we can only assume that it is in fact a snake, and Salazar Slytherin depicted his beloved basilisk, but left out a few key details, so it just looks like a generic snake, then went down to his basilisk buddy and said: "Hey Basil, I immortalized you in the house sigil. Now, I know it doesn't quite look like you, but I think the others are scared of you, and I don't want them to be suspicious and harm you out of fear. Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow with a delicious meal and more head scritches. Love you"
11:25 Ben hissing like a badger. Or attempting to more like.🤣🤣 Your points are so true and you should totally get to direct a founders series, it would be awesome no doubt. Love you guys and your vids, they always keep me entertained! 😊❤
This better mean that you’re working on that founders series 😄 Edit, Ok I just finished the video and those sketches are priceless. Now I want a founders series even more
It's also possible that magical, or fantastic, creatures were simply too frightening for wizards and witches at the time. I'd imagine that magical parents would tell stories about the wicked Basilisk or Manticore to teach their children not to go out at nighttime akin to the boogeyman, or La Lhorana from Mexico.
Because JK Rowling want to use creatures that most people know and can identify with. Also some of the creatures we all know from the Harry Potter world haven’t been made yet when the first book was made.
@@Gzaerix well they are not depicted as the usual versions (example: the basilisk has legs and limbs but is classified as a snake while hp makes it limbless) and where was this griffin in the main books or fantastic beast movies.
@@ninjabluefyre3815 Maybe the Pevensie siblings encountered cursed artifacts that caused them to lose all memories of their shared childhood and previous adventures? My favorite JRPG of all time has a side story like that.
I do! Gosh that would explain how we never knew how Godric, Salazar and Helga died and rowena could have been Susan cuz at some point she stopped believing in Narnia
In case, the two who liked are curious about that JRPG, it's called "Another Eden - The Cat Beyond Time And Space. It's available on mobile and on Steam.
There's one thing we're missing here: did the Founders actually choose these animals? Or were they already chosen by their families? Salazar, Rowena, Godric, and Helga all come from families whose crests are these animals. Though they are Founders, they all have families, too. Theh adopted and used their family's animals to create the Houses.
I read something several years ago saying that Hufflepuff’s mascot was supposed to be a bear but Helga decided to make a students pet badger the mascot instead.
The founding of Hogwarts far predates the statute of secrecy, and while there were wizard only settlements, I would imagine, that like the present day setting, wizards mingled with muggles. And there are lines referencing how some wizarding families were close to the nobility of the muggles. I imagine that they either used what heraldry they already had in order to coexist in the 10th century muggle/magic world, or created it for the purposes of decorating the school, and this becoming an easy way for other students to identify one another out in the world. Much like how knights and their houses might wear the heraldry of their liege alongside their own. As such, it would be most prudent for the founders to use creatures already featured in muggle heraldry, and not overtly magical creatures. They could, of course have used magical creatures, as gryphons, unicorns, and dragons among others were on muggle heraldry; however, it could be expected that these would draw some attention and scrutiny, while less magical creatures would be more common overall and only those muggles with heraldric knowledge would be able to trace them back to the founders. As the school Coat of Arms is made up of their heraldry, a golden lion on a scarlet field, a silver serpent on green, a bronze eagle on blue, and an onyx badger on yellow, students would quickly learn and easily remember them for identifying other students outside of Hogwarts. This was most likely their intention, as their goal was to create a community of sorts throughout the magical world, as you said, and choosing mundane creatures that wouldn't stand out was both in keeping with heraldric tradition would disguise the heraldry in a sea of equally mundane muggle heraldry.
I like to think that they all decided to just pick their favorite nom-magical animal, partly as a symbol for the inclusively of Hogwarts (Here Slytherin went along, because he was not losing his 3 best friends over this issues, just yet) and partly because they all were big animal lovers
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If you could change the mascots to anything else what would they be?
No no I would not
Pygmy puffs or puffskeins of each house colour, since that would be very cute and definitely reads, "Safest school ever" because we're already misleading people with that, why not mislead people with the mascots too?
A gryfin, raven, baskilis and badger
Griffin, Basilisk, Raven, And.... I don’t know for hufflepuff 😂 I know these are very very basic
I would not, the mascots are GREAT!
This whole episode is just Ben's pitch for the founder series where he plays all the roles
I'd watch it
Same
I NEED IT!!
I would watch it, but then again who wouldn't
Ben in drag? I would watch it
I always thought that each founder chose their patronus as their house’s mascot. That would make the animal relate to the specific founder over the traits of their house, good and bad.
This is what I thought as well
Me too
That also solves the question, because magical beasts in patronus are extremely rare
I'm almost sure, I read that once somewhere and never had a doubt about it.
No it wouldn't. Your Patronus is a representation of your secret self, a part of you that is hidden but which is brought to light in extreme circumstances. Rarely does a Patronus reflect one's favourite animal or the animal most like their outward personality, and such a case reflect's one inability or unwillingness to hide their secret self and comfortability showing who they truly are. That's why I like the idea of the house mascots being their Patronuses and Ravenclaw's being a raven - one of Ravenclaw's valued traits is individuality and Rowena would embody that and not have a secret self and so her Patronus would be reflective of her personality, and the raven is the most intelligent bird.
Slytherin: i'll go with a snake because i can talk to them.
Gryffindor: i'll go with a lion because they represent my values, and also they are awesome
Hufflepuff: i'll go with badgers because of what they represent. I also find them cute.
Ravenclaw: egle
Salazar, Godric and Helga: m.ua-cam.com/video/aY76yGkYSpY/v-deo.html
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J and Ben made an entire video on Ravenclaw's eagle. Apparently, "raven claw" is either Old English or Early Modern English for the "black claw" of an eagle.
Hufflepuff: i brought pancakes.... Wait what we were suppose to do?
Ravenclaw: eagle
Another: why?
Ravenclaw: what do you think I’m gonna choose a raven?
I really want a comedy series of the founders accidentally bafooning their way into creating hogwarts
Yeah but don't let JK write it.
It has to be written by SCB.
@@connorscorner443 jk studios?
@@fuydestroyer1942 Rowling
@@connorscorner443 that makes more sense
I personally think each one has different rules. Gryffindor picked Lion to represent his ideals and the tie-in with his namesake. Slytherin picked Snake because he’s a Parselmouth. Hufflepuff picked Badger because they represent her ideals, because their commonality would match her willingness to accept all students, and honestly because I think she’d be the type to think they’re adorable. Ravenclaw’s is a bit more complicated (which is in character for her); I’ll bet that her family were Falconers (Eaglers?), raising and training hunting birds. That would be the origin of a name like Ravenclaw - people still have the surname Faulkner with the same origin. (I think you talked about that in another video?)
Edits: But the Patronus / Animagus theory makes just as much sense. Heck, my reasons could be part of why they would have the corresponding Patronus.
My theory for Ravenclaw is that she is from high nobility and the eagle is a crest animal for her, like the raven for the Black family.
I as a Hufflepuff, have dicided for all of us that our house mascot is Winnie the Pooh.
Can it be the whole cast of Winnie the Pooh?
I love them all.
YES!!! I completely and utterly agree as a fellow Hufflepuff!
@@derpyderp8559 Not Rabbit if you don't mind terribly. He would be more of a Ravenclaw (and so would Owl for that matter). Rabbit could also be a Slytherin, but he is not a Hufflepuff.
@@noorykorky5056 yes that is true
Originally hufflepuffs mascot would've Been a bear.
Petition to make bob the Phoenix new Gryffindor mascot
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He prefers Mr Bob :)
Petition to make a door the new Griffindor mascot
I would definitely sign a petition to make Bob the Phoenix the mascot!
Yup but atleast call him mr. Bob
It would make sense to have at least one mythical creature to be a mascot as the school’s motto is: “Never tickle a sleeping dragon”
But maybe this would be the perfect reason to not use a dragon as a mascot since it would indicate a specific house as somewhat more important
You're so right!
@@hopeakya kinda like the horned serpant in ilvermony
@@hopeakya plot twist every creature is actually magical but we see them as a normal animal. If a human can become magical why wouldn't a creature be magical?
Did you know that praying is actually real magic we muggles cast. Just like are words have magic that we can manifest in to the real world.
Just by believing in yourself you are using magic that you manifest later in life.
@@love4075 damndude get outta here with that religion talk.
Hogwarts mascots if they were magical creatures.
Gryffindor: Griffin
Ravenclaw: Occamy
Hufflepuff: Niffler
Slytherin: Basilisk
that ... Acacly macks a lot of sense
I feel the Hufflepuff should be a Canadian Goose. Cute from a distance but when angry would kill a dragon.
This. Makes. So. Much. Sense.
I'm Ravenclaw and I love Occamy💙
@@adamb7505 canada moment
The basilisk creation skit at the beginning is perfection.
I agree but I also hate how the one who's entire thing is bravery refused to try and fight the basilisk.
“He can’t talk to worms... he can talk to them they just can’t talk back”
well they might talk back he just can’t understand them
@@lelequeen5081 thats exactly what I'm saying!
They can both talk to each other just neither would understand or probably even realise it was happening.
This video is 20% Harry Potter Theory and 80% of Ben being chaotic and I LOVE IT!
You can definitely feel Bens hype level is at 1000% in this video
@@OddlyOddy Definitely
Me too!! It was so funny!!
I know! It’ awesome!
so much adhd!
Guys we need to start a petition to get Ben and J to be directors for a Hogwarts Founders series! That skit was seriously good!! edit: wow thank you for all the likes its the most i've gotten!
Ben needs to play Goodric Griffindor
J plays Salazar slytherin
Alice plays Rowena raveclaw
Beth Helga hufflepuff 🤣
Yeah, I think I'd rather a real director with experience, than Ben & J
I've been trying to suggest the same thing. Let's see if this can get going somewhere.
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@@ashleymcgovern1822 often in a huge show there's a ton of producers, and there definitely will be a huge team for something as big as a harry potter show. No one is expecting them to let two UA-camrs create the whole thing, however you don't need a ton of directing experience to have genuinely good ideas for the story. I think Ben and J deserve a spot at that table.
“Rowena, can you conjure us a basement?” 🤣🤣🤣
Why do I get the idea the ladies were basically the guys’ parents?
I think it was more a case of they were the sensible, responsible ones. Gryffindor and Slytherin were basically just like brothers, always messing around with and fighting each other. So yeah they definitely would've had to act like their mothers at times.
I love the idea that Godric and Salazar were just two bros goofing off all the time and Salazar ended up as a statue. Meanwhile, a thousand years later everyone thinks it was much more serious... 😂😂
Two best moments: “lions, just like all other living creatures, cannot exist in fire!”
“Slytherin’s is pretty easy to explain. Snakes are snakes.”
The freaking deadpan killed me!!
Although in different folklore salamanders are often strongly associated wwith fire and beleived to be able to live in it or even sometimes be born in it, I think.
@@crazysasha1374 Ashwinders are born from magical fires left unattended.
I think they choose non-magical animals so that it would be easier to disguise Hogwarts as a normal school when muggles see a Hogwarts uniform or merch owned by children.
Yeah it's a lot more normal see a whole bunch of children walk around with little flags with lions on them instead of like a griffin or a werewolf
I get where ur coming from but the castle is a ruin to muggles and anything related to the school shouldn't be seen by muggles as well
I don’t think so we have tons of mythical creatures on stuff in the real word. The welsh flag literally has a dragon on it 🏴
That is a fantastic theory! I guarantee that J.K. TERFling didn't ever put that much thought into it, though.
Another idea is since a lot of the people who came to the school would be muggleborns who haven't experienced the community (doesn't really hold up with Slytherin but again he was able to talk to snakes so he's an outlier no matter what) it could have been to make the transition between the two worlds easier with animals they are familiar with
When he said "they huff and they puff so obviously Hufflepuff..." I really wanted him to say blowfish 🐡😂
Huffle and the blowfish
I was thinking dragon... but I also wasn't thinking about the Three Blind Pigs story at all for some reason (until I read your comment and realized that's what he was going for).
@@erikliubakka6514 actually, it was the mice that were blind. The pigs were just little and build houses.
I don’t know why I did that.
When I hear huff and puff, I think of The Huffin Puff Express... Wait... Trains... I think we found Moldevort's house!
mr blowfish?
I always assumed, they chose regular animals over magical ones as their mascots to yet again ensure secrecy of the school against muggles. In case muggles found some object with the school logo on it, they would just assume it'd be a regular british private school.
But people would think the school logo is a magical creature not that the school was magic, afterall some schools irl do that and of course they aint magic
I love the idea that the "fight" was a cover story and that making a Basilisk was a dare. Also Hufflepuff's mascot should be Puffskeins.
As a Hufflepuff who is definitely not obsessed to the same level as Newt with fantastic beasts I say *YES!!!*
I honestly thought it should of been a moon calf
This episode makes me really want to watch a play on the hogwarts founders shenanigans with ben playing all founders. Those skits were hilarious.😂😂😂
I CANNOT believe you think that Ravenclaw's didn't understand the assignment...child we wrote the assignment.
You tell em. I’m actually a huffleclaw, but sometimes I feel like a ravenpuff
There’s no way Rowena wouldn’t have understood the assignment. She knew the eagle connection when simpler minds couldn’t 😂
@@khadijasenghor286 Uh... I'm pretty sure you're not "actually" any of these fictional houses, much less the fan-invented "cross-houses." Try to keep some perspective here. I love Harry Potter too but it's still a fairy tale written by a British lady for her kids in a coffee shop. Your "house" is nothing more than a fun personality quiz.
@@effusivefugitive You really thought you did something there lol. Sorry your mother never loved you.
Clearly not since you failed it smh
I love the reasoning behind Scotland choosing unicorns. England's animal is a lion, no one (or very few) in England had seen a lion, so logically unicorns were just as likely to exist.
Scotland "You want a lion, as your nation animal? You've never even seen one. Hmmph! Well if you're a lion, I'm a unicorn."
Its also interesting because in medieval mythology the lion and the unicorn were mortal enemies who HATED each other
@@laurenkillebrew6576 this little nugget of info makes me laugh
And then you have Wales. Eff you all IMMA DRAGON!
(oh and northern ireland, who is like we have a red hand????)
@@laurenkillebrew6576 Well, that just sums up Scotland and England perfectly.
@@EastPlays Specifically, the Dragon that Merlin found at Dinas Emyrs. Long story.
"hey salazar, what would happen if you put chicken eggs under a toad"
I could totally picture salazar and godric making that bet, and then make rowena create the chamber of secrets.👏👏👏
Also please, create a founder series with Ben playing everyone.🙏🙂
I feel like this was just a impulse passion project for Ben
And he’s so excited to talk about it and that’s what makes it so fun to watch
Ben's basilisk skit is now head-cannon 😂😂✊🏾
"Ravenclaw didn't understand the assignment"
*Ravenclaw army has awoken*
Ravenclaw valued wit, intelligence, and wisdom. So to understand the Ravenclaw mascot you gotta use your brains. Duh!
@@sameehaseereen except you ignore the fact that a sphinx is the perfect fit for you. It literally exists to test peoples wit with riddles.
@@brocautry5063 a sphinx gives riddles with set answers. An eagle for the mascot has no set answer that can be proven and thus is open for interpretation for anyone to discuss!
@@alixmalone19 Fair. I guess it depends on whether you think a creature that tests your brain or something that makes you think about secret hidden meanings is a better fit.
Yes!
My personal theory was that the animals were their respective Animagus forms/Patronuses. But shoutout to the Isolt Sayre and the Boot siblings for actually understanding the assignment.
Wait that's so cool?!
I have a fic on Ao3 where this is the explanation for Ravenclaw's! Fic name is Castle Flippers and it's basically just like the skits in this video, it's goofy sitcom nonsense where all the founders are huge dorks lol
I think that it is a very good explanation. I was also wondering (I am surprised that he didn’t mention it) that perhaps the animals represented their families. If the founders were noble (likely since they were educated and rich enough to make a school) they might have heraldic symbols from their families. Badgers don’t fit that well this idea but both eagles and lions are very common heraldic symbols and if the Slytherins can talk to snake it makes sense that their symbol was a snake.
This is my thought too, maybe it's their animagus forms. XD
Yeah, probably patronuses, seeing as certain patronus tell you about their respective caster. Animagus would be cool, but I don't think so because it's never established that the founders are animagi; one would think that, if they were, this would be well known about them, seeing as that's a pretty big bragging point, going through the animagus transformation and getting such cool creatures.
Either way, both thoughts would explain why 1. Ravenclaw is an **eagle** and 2. Hufflepuff is an European badger instead of the better known honey badger. Patronus does seem more likely, due to the Slytherin snake being so nondescript, seeing as most danger noodles look like other species of danger noodle.
The idea that they all chose animals that hunt/kill snakes made me laugh, because it just sounds like they were mad/teamed up to make fun of Salazar or something XD
Ben: They know about fantastic beasts...
Me: He's going to say where to find them.
Ben: (Doesn't say it)
*shocked pikachu face*
Ben: Hisses like a 5 year old attempting to be a vampire.
Also Ben: Please come in. Enjoy some tea and biscuits.
They're seriously misunderstood creatures.
yup
When he said "What Huffs and Puffs?" I said to myself "DRAGON!"
And then he said "Wolf" and I legit thought he was joking...
Nope, he leaned into it and chose Werewolf...
Which I mean...yes...make sense. But Dragon would have been AWESOME!
I was the exact same.
Until I realized he was basing his answer off of The Three Blind Pigs... and then I understood how his answer made sense.
Edit: but I still wanted him to say dragon
@@erikliubakka6514 Three Little Pigs, Three Blind Mice
@@erikliubakka6514 Blind pigs? U mean little pigs, Mice are blind
i wonder if remus would have been sorted into hufflepuff if their mascot was a werewolf
Also makes sense with the schools motto
Never Tickle A Sleeping Dragon
8:05
Snakes do represent those things.
And for a long time.
One of the most known myths is the one with snake convinving a woman to eat an apple to achieve his goal. Conned her right on the spot.
When you said “snakes barely live in England, there’s like 3 of them total!” I actually thought you meant 3 individual snakes 😂
6:57 - 7:01 "Actually, Scotland sent an owl this morning, and it looks like they've called dibs on unicorns."
This should not be as funny as it is.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My headcanon was always that they were the Patronuses of the Founders, which would explain why they were connected to each founder. Plus it would mean that Slytherin having a snake and Gryffindor having a lion (aka 1/2 of a griffin) was just pure coincidence which is kinda hilarious. Just imagine Slytherin casting a Patronus for the first time and a huge snake jumps out and the other founders are just cracking up because "of course it's a snake! Slytherin! Slither like a snake!"
Gryffindor: Gryphon.
Slytherin: Basilisk.
Hufflepuff: Dragon.
Ravenclaw: Sphinx.
Checks out but why dragon???
@@cftyftyufyfuyfty The Dragon puffs smoke and fire.
Why a Sphinx
@@itssyd920 A Sphinx has claws and values intelligence [asking people riddles].
@@christianali5431 well I guess that’s true but the eagle was chosen because it rises above others
Who else wants more founding hogwarts sims 4 over on scb gaming
Your impersonation of the founders made me want to read an entire fanfiction about it! it was sooo good. It also kinda reminded me of the marauders which I find so cool 😊
I always had the theory that each animal was the Patronus of their respective founders. It'd make sense because you don't get to choose your Patronus and each animal does kind of add up with each founder.
Great theory!!!
I really like that theory, it makes so much sense lol
"It is usual, but not inevitable, for a Patronus to take the form of an animal commonly found in the caster’s native country."
"Most uncommon of all possible Patronuses are magical creatures such as dragons, Thestrals and phoenixes."
Source: www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm
That would mean all four of them could cast a patronus
@@elainegoates9792 yes, it would. would that surprise you?
"Lions don't live in England..." Actually, there is a species of lion that was native to the British Isles during the ice age, and lions were not entirely hunted to extinction in Europe until after the founding of Hogwarts. Many Scottish clans feature lions on their heraldry, including McNamara and McLamont (I'm descended from both)
That is very interesting. Thanks for that extra bit of information.
Wow.
the lion iconography in European royal banners and house crests comes from the Roman era where lions imported from northern Africa were used in gladiator arenas. Because lions were so powerful creatures they became a symbol for bravery and strength and then later a sign of royalty when pretty much every royal house in medieval Europe put them on their coat of arms (even though these lions look misshapen af) nobody in Europe knew about the original ice age lions before the fossils started to get discovered ...
Clan Buchanan, too!!
I loved the basilisk skit part. It was so funny.😀😀😂😂 you guys should definitely produce and also act in a founder series.
Slytherin's snake mascot could be a slow-worm. It looks like a snake, is actually silver in colour, lives in abundance in the UK, and fits with the worm idea you mentioned in the video.
I just thought that was kinda funny, so there you go i guess :))
Noice
In the flims each of the houses crests looks like a family crest, maybe each founder chose that animal from their respective family crests because they were proud of their heritage, but this fits into the theory that they chose a house mascot based of their names.
"Ravenclaw didn't understand the assignment." Did you even hear yourself when you said this Ben?!
Right! I'm so offended! A Ravenclaw always understands the assignment!
lol Ravenclaws are so easily offended.
She wasn't wearing her diadem.
SuperCarlinBrothers always brings up question I've never thought of, but need answered
I thought that “Godric” was holding a golf club at first and just went with it, accepting that he was THAT kind of dude
Golf didn't exist back then.
If the founders series does happen I want Ben to play all of the Founders
Gryffindor:Bear
Slytherin: Fox
Hufflepuff: Bee
Ravenclaw: Owl
Fun fact, in 2019 (I think) they discovered a new breed of snake and named in Salazar Slytherin. Like that's the name of the snake.
i did some research and yes they called it Salazar's pit viper!
I. LOVE. WHOEVER. DID. THIS. THANKYOU. A. MILLION.
@@shreberry5164 Nobody did this, it was the Ministry of Magic trying to cover it up so the muggles wouldn't know...
It can’t be a coincidence that both Potions masters we know were Slytherins and the bowl of Hygieia (a snake twined around a cup) is a symbol of pharmacy - muggle potion making.
It seems as if potion-making is a Slytherin specialty; perhaps the House's traditional forte
I also like the thought of Slytherin being a pharmacist/healer. (They didn't really differentiate the professions at that time.)
The snake would fit really well in there. And the Slytherin common room, being near the potions classroom is also fitting. And potion ingredients would stay fresh for longer periods in the colder cellar/dungeons of Hogwarts. Its highly probable, that Slytherin chose his quarters and the quarters of his students closer to his workplace. He wouldn't have wanted to walk through the entire castle for some late night brewing.
Because no magical creature can be replaced by pancakes. 🦁🐍🦅🥞
You are a shame for hufflepuff
But Milo the goat!!!! 😂🥰
@@sit-insforsithis1568 I'm a Slytherin
I don’t get it...
@@tonyhou9246 they are saying that hufflepuffs animal is a cake and not a badger
I just loved when he was acting as the founders😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think if i could pick magical animals i would probably say
Gryffindor: Gryffin (like come on obviously) but also because they're also a symbol of bravery and courage
Slytherin: Basilisk (again pretty obvious)
Ravenclaw: Centaurs (because they are one of the most wise magical creatures which fits the ideals of Ravenclaw house)
Hufflepuff: Pegasus (as they are fiercely loyal and friendly creatures)
Proud Hufflepuff and I wouldn’t mind our mascot changing to pancakes.
Sameeee
Underrated comment. I second this.
I agree with this
I came so early that no one I could see mentioned HOW AMAZING THE FOUNDERS SKETCH/STORY BIT WAS!!!
I so want to read or listen to their founders origins!!!!
I love how Ravenclaw was the one to get confused about eagles and claws even though
THEY'RE SURPOSED TO BE THE SMART ONES
That’s the wrong there, you want “they’re”for your all caps.
@@demonzabrak thank you I'll change it.
Raven is old English for black. Golden eagles, who were the most popular heraldic animal after lions, have black claws.
i’ve been drinking honey badger anti-venom ever since i started hanging around that ridiculous snake🤪
"and if anyone asked say we all got into a big fight and I won" 😂
Perfect reenactment of what happened
I tend to believe that Godric was always running about with a giant lion following closely behind and he's like "oh you can pet him if you are daring and brave enough to risk your arm and life, like any true Gryffindor would"
And everyone else be like: "😳 I think we gonna look at the cute badger of Helga but thanks"
I. LOVE. IT
I am convinced the basilisk was a defense mechanism put there by Slytherin and his descendants just got the wrong idea about it lol
Defense against what, exactly?
@@diyavatsavai5778 Muggles! In a world where Muggles are terrified of witches and wizards and often would try and attack them, it might be nice to have a contingency plan if they managed to get the location of Hogwarts from a muggleborn student and then attacked. And what better contingency plan is there than a giant murder snake only Slytherin and his descendants can control?
Yeah, it could have been a defense against someone who is attacking the castle, not specifically muggle borns. Protection from someone like Grindelwald or Voldemort himself.
@@maheshmestry5371 Fair point, but it is Dark magic and I doubt the other Founders would've approved. Or maybe that's how Slytherin thought, didn't want to tell them. Can't say for sure. But the basis of this whole theory is that he wasn't a blood purist, that was just a warped view people like Voldy and the Blacks and them had of his ideas.
Also basilisk works way better as a defence mechanism than a weapon for attack on specific group of people (Muggle borns) mixed with others (pure-blooded) - that would be very ineffective or dangerous, too many of "his" people would die. While being the last defence, basilisk would be a weapon of mass killing: you put all your warriors inside the castle and make the basilisk go in front of the castle walls. Enemies are dead or petrified. Easy. Or it could be used on enemies climbing over the walls. Or, if the enemy is inside the castle already, you can use basilisk even more effectively - in the corridors (enemies need to look around very well in order to not fall into some trap, so they would look into basilisk's eyes for sure).
Basilisk as muggleborns killer doesn't make any sense to me. Extremely ineffective, dumb and dangerous for other people. You would be able to kill much more people just by using hair pins (you can actually kill with them, it's not a joke). Or with a nice dagger. Or a sword. Or by a poison. Or by using magic! We're talking about magical school, don't tell me Salazar wouldn't be able to come up with a better idea than basilisk, he was very intelligent.
I'll do you one better: Why aren't there seven houses?
Honey Badgers also stand up to literal Lions and Eagles which essentially makes Hufflepuff the most badass house, standing up to all 3 of the others without fear
#HufflepuffPride
4:17 I still think that a door would be an AMAZING animal for Gryffindor.
Yes, to me a door is an animal
And magical 😂
Yes, indeed it is!.. ever seen Monsters inc.?..
What kind or door tho?
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Maybe Salazar Slytherin didn't hate muggle borns as much as we thought...
Okay that can't be true
He didn't hate them though, he mistrusted them because of the hate towards magic in their time. Because of the prejudice they dealt with at the time it is understandable at the time, but it should have been gone by the time of the series, since it took place in the 90s.
@@Deerhunterjs "Slytherin’s discrimination on the basis of parentage was considered an unusual and misguided view by the majority of wizards at the time. Contemporary literature suggests that Muggle-borns were not only accepted, but often considered to be particularly gifted. They went by the affectionate name of ‘Magbobs’ (there has been much debate about the origin of the term, but it seems most likely to be that in such a case, magic ‘bobbed up’ out of nowhere)."
-Pottermore/Wizarding World (Pure Blood)
@@thelegend1801 I must have missed that article.
@@Deerhunterjs Yeah, that's okay 😁
More Ben doing hogwart skits! Hilarious 😂😂😂
Ravens and crows are some of the smartest and cleverest birds as they have been proven to be quite good at problem solving... I always thought the bird was a raven or crow... not eagle but I might be wrong.
In the books it is a Raven, the film changed it if I recall.
@@LeoWolfish other way around. It’s eagle in the books, but the movie changed it to a raven.
@@charlenedalrymple7739 Ah ok sorry.
The acting in this video is the best part. I love how Godric just always carries his sword.
1:37 a glimpse into what J and Ben's Founders series on HBO Max will be like
Me: Why haven’t the SCB posted yet?
*Not five second later I got the notification*
I’d thoughts on the theory that states that each founder of Hogwarts made their own secret room. Slytherin - Chamber of Secrets (duh), Gryffindor - Headmasters office, Hufflepuff - Room of Requirement, Ravenclaw - Unknown/lost though is likely only accessible when the stairs form a certain pattern
Therapist: it’s okay, Badger tongue can’t hurt you.
Ben: 11:25
"Why not pick a basilisk? You have a huge one!" - "The snake is designed to not be any particular kind of snake."...
With the basilisk speaking parcel tongue, we can only assume that it is in fact a snake, and Salazar Slytherin depicted his beloved basilisk, but left out a few key details, so it just looks like a generic snake, then went down to his basilisk buddy and said: "Hey Basil, I immortalized you in the house sigil. Now, I know it doesn't quite look like you, but I think the others are scared of you, and I don't want them to be suspicious and harm you out of fear. Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow with a delicious meal and more head scritches. Love you"
Your guys humor budget is off the charts this month hope you guys can afford to pay it!
I hope for more on this subject! Also hope for more on Newt and magical beasts, Its been awhile!
"Raven law didn't understand the assignment" system error.. There seems to be a glitch in the matrix
« Lions, like all other creatures, cannot exist in fire » Thanks Ben 😂
I did not know that before Ben told us in this video XD
Except for a pheonix
If muggles we violent towards magical people then, perhaps the founders chose those to help avoid suspicion when students got their lettera
11:25 Ben hissing like a badger. Or attempting to more like.🤣🤣 Your points are so true and you should totally get to direct a founders series, it would be awesome no doubt. Love you guys and your vids, they always keep me entertained! 😊❤
When he says "snakes are snakes", I was waiting for a Mr Incredible clip saying "MATH IS MATH". Feels like a missed opportunity.....
True!!!
Fame is fame, Harry;)
It is a missed opportunity
Maybe the math budget didn't allow it
The biggest thing I took away from this video is that "snakes are snakes."
and that they’re fluid
Like whose mane ones said : fame is a fame, Harry.
And “lions, like all other creatures, cannot exist in fire”
This better mean that you’re working on that founders series 😄
Edit,
Ok I just finished the video and those sketches are priceless. Now I want a founders series even more
It's also possible that magical, or fantastic, creatures were simply too frightening for wizards and witches at the time. I'd imagine that magical parents would tell stories about the wicked Basilisk or Manticore to teach their children not to go out at nighttime akin to the boogeyman, or La Lhorana from Mexico.
Because JK Rowling want to use creatures that most people know and can identify with. Also some of the creatures we all know from the Harry Potter world haven’t been made yet when the first book was made.
I guess it was really simple.
Of course... griffins, dragons, unicorns, werewolves and basilisks were created for HP
@@Gzaerix well they are not depicted as the usual versions (example: the basilisk has legs and limbs but is classified as a snake while hp makes it limbless) and where was this griffin in the main books or fantastic beast movies.
“Ben’s Cute Jeans” 🤣💚✨
Anyone remember
Totally off topic and I don’t know why I thought of this.
Who else really likes the head canon that the Pensieve siblings ( from the Chronicles of Narnia) are the Hogwarts House founders?
But they weren't siblings...
@@ninjabluefyre3815 Maybe the Pevensie siblings encountered cursed artifacts that caused them to lose all memories of their shared childhood and previous adventures? My favorite JRPG of all time has a side story like that.
And they all liked lions....
I do! Gosh that would explain how we never knew how Godric, Salazar and Helga died and rowena could have been Susan cuz at some point she stopped believing in Narnia
In case, the two who liked are curious about that JRPG, it's called "Another Eden - The Cat Beyond Time And Space. It's available on mobile and on Steam.
There's one thing we're missing here: did the Founders actually choose these animals? Or were they already chosen by their families?
Salazar, Rowena, Godric, and Helga all come from families whose crests are these animals. Though they are Founders, they all have families, too. Theh adopted and used their family's animals to create the Houses.
I read something several years ago saying that Hufflepuff’s mascot was supposed to be a bear but Helga decided to make a students pet badger the mascot instead.
Ben for Kvothe!🧙🏻♂️🗡
"There are no strange beasts, only blinkered people."
I've never heard someone describe a worm's method of locomotion as "slithering"
"Snakes are snakes." That's all I took from this
Ben is now my favorite chaotic storyteller ever!!!! He takes half the friggin video describing how the founders choose their mascots
0:34
Not me screen recording this for me to watch
HOGWARTS THEORY LETS GO
LETS GO!
12:47 " icing on the snake ". So subtly done 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes! My favorite, a Harry Potter theory :-)
The founding of Hogwarts far predates the statute of secrecy, and while there were wizard only settlements, I would imagine, that like the present day setting, wizards mingled with muggles. And there are lines referencing how some wizarding families were close to the nobility of the muggles.
I imagine that they either used what heraldry they already had in order to coexist in the 10th century muggle/magic world, or created it for the purposes of decorating the school, and this becoming an easy way for other students to identify one another out in the world. Much like how knights and their houses might wear the heraldry of their liege alongside their own.
As such, it would be most prudent for the founders to use creatures already featured in muggle heraldry, and not overtly magical creatures. They could, of course have used magical creatures, as gryphons, unicorns, and dragons among others were on muggle heraldry; however, it could be expected that these would draw some attention and scrutiny, while less magical creatures would be more common overall and only those muggles with heraldric knowledge would be able to trace them back to the founders. As the school Coat of Arms is made up of their heraldry, a golden lion on a scarlet field, a silver serpent on green, a bronze eagle on blue, and an onyx badger on yellow, students would quickly learn and easily remember them for identifying other students outside of Hogwarts.
This was most likely their intention, as their goal was to create a community of sorts throughout the magical world, as you said, and choosing mundane creatures that wouldn't stand out was both in keeping with heraldric tradition would disguise the heraldry in a sea of equally mundane muggle heraldry.
“Though I do like to think that Helga, spoke badger-tongue... mouth? Hicccicicass!!!” I love the hiss!! Lol!
Simple answer: J.K. Rowling hadn't made them up at that point
Yep, but she will give some dumb answer as if she had everything planned lol
I like to think that they all decided to just pick their favorite nom-magical animal, partly as a symbol for the inclusively of Hogwarts (Here Slytherin went along, because he was not losing his 3 best friends over this issues, just yet) and partly because they all were big animal lovers