You have a system I put together in 1999 when I moved to my house here. Mine was a 12v system. 2021 - after 20 years: All that stuff I bought was and is now DEAD. 1200watts in panels - DEAD. 8 banks of 6 volt batteries - DEAD. 8 L-16 150 pound battery 6 volt deep charge - DEAD. My 2023 upgrades now: 4000 watt solar panels (12 panels at 330 watt). I have 3 charge controllers now: 1 at 2 panels, 1 at 4 panels, and one at 6 panels. I built 2 new battery packs at 24 volt from LiFePO4 330 watts at 3.2 volt for a total storage of
@lindafoxwood78 Welcome aboard! Yep, my system batteries only lasted 10 years, I bought them a year before moving out here. I am planning an upgrade of the entire system, going to 48v all in one, 10k Sungoldpower, I have 4 of the LiFePO4 12v, 230ah batteries right now, going to add on 12 more for 16 total. I'll also be adding another 1800w of panels, and a 48v 1000w PMA for night production.
Welcome aboard! In a word, No. A solar charge controller performs multiple tasks. It determines the voltage of your battery bank, then adjusts the incoming voltage from your solar panels to meet the battery needs, not only for charging them, but to prevent overcharging and low voltage damage.
I too have a Chinese wind generator, with out any plans, I do know that it is a 200 watts 12 volts WG and it has 5 blades. I have no idea about the company's name or if the generator has a name. I got it for about $100 on e-Bay! What can I say, you get what you paid for! I was able to find a fitting that would connect my turbine to a 1-1/2 inch 16' black plumbers pipe. My question is this, supposedly after I have connected my 12-3 wire to the generator, I should twist the wires at the end together. So you don't get a shock. Is this true or not? I think you showed connection 1st. to a rectifier. Three wires at the top of thee rectifier and the lower 2- to the battery. Am I right so far? I'm learning as I go? Great video's, hope there's more to come?
Ok, at the generator, make your connections using electrical lugs and be sure they are tight, then insulate them with electrical stretch tape. Those 3 wires go to the retifier input side in any order, then the output of the rectifier should go through a meter so you can read output/input, then to the battery bank. A load diversion unit then connects to the battery banks to monitor voltage and divert excess to a resistance. Don't get too discouraged with that 200w Chinese unit. The unit will mostly produce very low output in standard winds because it is designed to produce a MAXIMUM of 200w only at the highest wind speed it can handle. It's actual output will not be of much use.
I spent thousands on the bluetti...that was a no brainer. I did come across some other wt controlars,just need to know if turbines on ebay,and amazon at low cost are crap too!
Yes, those cheap ones are crap, and they lie about output. I have seen them claim 4000-10000 watts max with a 3 blade 40" span. Just Google KT5 and it will get you to a good U.S. dealer who makes quality turbines, or just go to www.hydrogenappliances.com/KT5.html
Welcome aboard. NO! All the rectifier does is convert AC to DC. It needs a charge controller to control the voltage output to match your battery bank size, ie; 12v, 24v, 48v, etc. The pos/neg can also be connected directly to the battery bank as long as a digital dump diverter is used also.
The cheap Chinese turbines don't last in my opinion. I tried one on my first attempt at wind power. Their so called permanent magnets weren't. I now use the KT5 by Thermodyne, but if was going to do it again I would go with the "Max-core". Otherwise it has been working fine. I've said it before, wind power should be considered supplemental, since wind is not a constant speed and employment. Where I am, I get winds every afternoon after 3pm, sometimes they blow all night, other times they die down by midnight. Sometimes they are fierce near 30mph, other times they are calming around 6-14mph.
@@GBear It is supposedly a MPPT wind charge controller (with that green dump load resister) and a separate PWM solar charge controller in the same housing (chassis/heatsink) mainly for self sustaining streetlight operation. I'm about to experiment with one.
Maybe because I watched them and actually witnessed it? Geoengineering is a real thing, just like cloud seeding was many years ago. Some people close their minds to it by saying, a jet engine won't, or can't do that. Well, I agree it won't or can't do that, but that doesn't mean a plane couldn't "seed" clouds. Through the freedom of information act, documents have been obtained to prove geoengineering (making clouds) is a real thing, and it has been going on for a long time.
@@GBear actually it is proven and there are old videos from the 50s where they boast about their new technology to make rain with aluminium and silver. Nowadays they only use aluminium and that stuns growth of plants and it also dissolves the brain barrier which is why pollutants like mercury can do their thing in dissolving the brain. James and David are clearly the victim of this as they do not even realize or want to investigate what is going on. That kind of people are our biggest threats when the shit hits the fan and it will soon.
I use a tankless propane water heater in the winter. The rest of the year, the sun makes it hotter than needed. I take cold showers that are luke warm. I'm not sure about why the wing guys use lead acid batteries, but it could be that LiPo batteries need special charge controllers.
Man every time i type in a question, i see a video of yours to answer it lol. Can't say thanks enough for all the videos!!! Missouri wind and solar told me i couldn't put a vawt on my trailer to help charge my batteries while driving, i don't see how they wouldn't spin fast enough driving 60 plus mph. Just not sure of the alternator to build one with. Know I'll know the difference of pma and pmg.
@@GBear sam said a vertical wouldn't catch enough wind, due to turbulence and air flow, that it wouldn't spin high enough. I didn't argue since they are the pro's, he recommended charging with the truck alternator. Which wouldn't help me if im not driving. I saw John Daniels has a $130 Chinese unit that gives 5-7 amps to keep batteries up at night. It would help but not if it was 90+ and i was running the ac two day's in a row with no sun. I could be wrong but what the heck, im going to play around with the idea lol. You'd be surprised at how often im told it can't be done or I'll kill myself playing with electric 😂. The way i see it, it's win win, I'll learn something or get into heaven that much sooner!!
Lol, that's a shocking revelation...🤣 He's right about turbulence, as I said earlier in your first comment to me. Even setting it too low to the ground affects it.
@@checkingoutgypsymike2075 Using your car alternator is more efficient energy conversion of fuel to power. This is a direct connection to the engine. Instead if you would use a wind turbine on the roof, fuel would power the wheels, the wheels would drive the car, and then the car speed would power the wind turbine. More losses. Maybe use a HAWT on a pole on your van when you are stationairy and remove while driving?
Welcome aboard, Frank! My turbine is rated at over 1800 watts, and none of the mppt controllers, except the Midnite Classic will handle that. The Midnite Classic can only run solar, OR wind, not both at the same time, and since it is handling over 1800 watts of solar, I would need another Midnite.
@G Bear's Off Grid Ways-A Homestead In The Desert my turbine is only rated for 500watts and my solar panels only 600watts would it be fine to use the hybrid mppt controller
Yes, but hybrids can't run both wind AND solar at the same time. It's either wind OR solar. Even a high end expensive controller like the Midnite Classic can only run one or the other, not both on the same controller.
@G Bear's Off Grid Ways-A Homestead In The Desert question for you dear friend. I received my first ever turbine and I noticed the shaft end that attaches to the props have abit of play I can push on it and it goes into the generator like almost a 1/4 inch. Is it faulty or is that normal
I do understand he is doing getting direct power and try not to waste it & prevent a fire heat energy batteries do end up heating more faster in the long run damage dried out to much heat , 48v lithium ion ,,,, I heard some people have a quick disconnect from generator and a stop the fan from rotating from the wind by using boards set up to avoid a fire from generator n wear n tear
Welcome aboard Jon! I've done that a couple times already. But I'll do a quick mention of it again. Note though that my model of dump load controller is no longer sold. A digital controller has taken its place, but the basic wiring is the same.
I started 6 years ago with 18, 6v US2200 golf cart batteries, 232 amp hours each, connected in series parallel for a 12v battery bank. Last year I added 6, 6v Trojan "H series" at 470 amp hours each. Welcome aboard!
I believe what you are explaining to the public about the difference between a two-wire, and a three-wire wind turbine all comes from the heart. I've got several ceiling-fan motors complete with N-52 strong magnets, but there are no rectifiers inside the metal case coverings, the wind turbine is up on my roof with two wires protruding out from motor that leads back to my battery bank. Question: How should I set up the rectifier, single phase, or three phase, 50 amp, or 100 amp, or should I just go home and kick my dog?
I not completely sure what you are saying , but a 2 wire is a generator, nor an alternator. So if you have a 2 wire turbine, it produces DC power and can be connected directly to the battery bank. BUT!!! If you are talking about transforming a ceiling fan motor to be a turbine, then it is a different story. The ceiling fan using permanent magnet technology will need to be tested for output first. Remove the blades, and use a a drill motor to crank the motor. Check the DC output on the 2 wires. That will give you an indication of the voltage output. If you plan to charge a 12v battery, you need approx. 13.5vdc, a 24v battery would need around 35vdc, and a 48v battery would need about 57v. If your out put is close to your need, you are set to connect directly to the battery, then use a digital diverter to control overcharge to the battery. Welcome aboard!
Thank's-a-bunch for such a quick response. I have a 12-volt deep cycle battery bank set-up, and yes, you are right about the ceiling fan motors converted or turned into wind turbine power. I ran a test on the DC output as you instructed, and it registered: 33.3 volts, and tested two more that were almost identical: 21.9 volts, and 21.2 volts. So, you recommend a 13.5vdc, what does that mean? I'm learning as I go.
@Eugene Remmels jr. OK, I recommend you run those through a charge controller. Connect your battery first to the controller so it knows what voltage you need, then connect the turbines to a bus bar. Then to the solar input of the charge controller. I recommend that you use something like the Midnite Classic 150, 200, or 250, as they're designed for either solar or turbine input. Also, I don't know what you are using for blades, but be careful. I haven't seen home made blades yet that didn't blow apart and become missiles in high winds.
@@GBear OK, should there be a rectifier for every wind turbine along with a dump load with SOLENOID? My blades are constructed with two separate laminates of 1/8" flooring material (sheet panels) sandwiched together with plenty of glue, cure overnight, then fiberglass with a good resin, after it hardens it becomes much stronger. However, my home is located in an area where storms whip through the town with unimageable wind speed power of 60 to 90 mph. I should set up some kind of an emergency brake system, any information will be helpful.
Rectifiers are only used on PMA'S which are AC 3 wire. You should only have 2 wires on those PMG'S, positive and negative, so no rectifier is used. The voltage is too high for a 12v system and therefore needs to run through a charge controller that will adjust and limit the voltage going to the batteries. You also won't need a dump load because the charge controller will "rest" when no more charge is required.
Hi Richard. I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you wanting to know the wiring for the dumpload controller to the batteries or to the resistor? Please clarify.
@@richardjones7882 no, a dumpload is not ALWAYS required. Some controllers are designed to monitor the battery state and will go into a resting mode to prevent overcharging of the battery. Other controllers require a connection from the controller auxiliary to some sort of load. I didn't trust cheap Chinese turbine controllers to protect $3000 worth of batteries, so I went this route.
@@GBear Thank you.I did the homework.Can you tell me what would be the best hybrid controlar to buy.The dumploader is good I hear,but the the green controlar that comes with it is junk
Hybrid controllers made in China are all junk. I don't know what equipment you have. I have a KT5 1850watt turbine (PMA), and would never trust it to a hybrid controller. The dumpload controller I use is no longer sold. I has been replaced by digital controllers, which I would choose over a hybrid controller. When or if I need to replace my existing dump load controller, I will use a Midnite Classic controller, dedicated solely to the turbine. It provides the most efficient control available. Of course it costs more, but in electrical generation, you get what you pay for.
Welcome aboard Jon! Sorry. They no longer make this PWM style dump load. They now make digital diverters that do a better job. You can find them on ebay.
It's much kinder on your batteries to Divert any excess power prior to it even getting to the Battery. Use the Same Relay directing the power away from the Batteries into a Dump Load or some other means to consume it. Hot Water Heaters work good. Switch (Divert ) the power right after the Rectifier. The DC Voltage.
@@GBear Yep. One way to eliminate unnecessary Charge / Discharge Cycles. Possibly extending your batteries life years. I really want my batteries to last as long as possible. Another way to do that is to simply not charge your battery to 100% all the time. Only charging to say 90-95% can also add years to your system.
@@WhiteGravey I'm going with a 24V LiFePo4 system. You can't hit them with Over Voltage like you can with Lead Acid. All you need is a Voltage Sensing PCB. Upper and Lower Limits tripping a Battery Transfer Relay. DONE DEAL. Your controller would work I think. Any excess power I produced goes right to a Plug N Play Grid Tie. I can do that as long as I only produce what I can use. I don't want the Power company seeing me back feed. No Good for you if your off grid. Options other will be booted to a Water heater or even a Room Heater. Just dumping it into a Resister is like a WASTE of everyone's work. Are you using Wind, Solar or Both ? Mine is both. The turbine came with a cheesy controller but the voltages don't match what I need with these batteries. I'll be using a rather cheap Chines MPPT controller for that task. They are limited to like 60V input. The grid tie is good up to the same on input. Voltage Detection PCB : www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Charge-Discharge-Board-Under-Over-Voltage-Protection-Module-DC-6-40V-TW/132406615026?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Transfer Relay: www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SWITCH-RELAY-SOLENOID-For-Winch-Motor-Golf-Cart-Continuous-Duty-12V-5-Term/272733024569 If I had a E-mail address I could send you a Schematic and what not. I really don't wish to post mine here. I guess UA-cam did away with the MSG system here ?
Hi G Bear, I put this together. What do you think. (1) Renogy Rover Elite 40Amp MPPT Solar Charge Controller 12V 24V Lithium AGM Gel.(2) Ampere Time 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Lithium Battery for RV Off-grid Trolling Motor. (3) Audiotek 2000W Watt Power Inverter DC 12V AC 110V Car Converter USB port Charger. To run a small house window airconditioner. I'll run average of 2to 7 panals. Whats your thoughts. How am I doing?-Richie Arizona! Im also thinking of this $40 inverter. LVYUAN Power Inverter 2000 Watt DX-GAX2000W
First, if you don't already have one, get one of these. amzn.to/3zQxCY3 Now, plug it in to an outlet and then plug your A/C into it and turn it on. Now you know how many watts you need to run that air-conditioning unit. Now you can do the math on how may watt hours you need to run it constantly through the day, and if you plan on running that A/C at night, your battery bank will need to maintain that usage without input.
Remember to watch the reading on initial startup, then also the running watts. That meter will also tell you the starting and running amps of any 120vac appliance, as well as the watts.
I’ve been watching planes all my life. One day the lines were staying. I kept paying attention to them and they were spreading turning into clouds I mentioned it to a few people and they called me stupid, that I was into conspiracy theories. I have a friend who told me it was steam from engines because she saw Joe rogan talking about it. One day I pointed two planes. Same altitude. One with the trail and one without it. Then it started living short trails. She had no answer to that. You just gotta pay attention
Same here! People in cities seldom look up to the skies. Here in the desert, there is nothing blocking your view. When I mention it, I have the same response to which I reply, "So, planes can't spray? So what is cloud seeding, crop dusting, and skywriting?" When you have time, search UA-cam for, "What In The World Are They Spraying"
Very informative “Grand-e”Bear. 👍question; I’m trying to hook solar-wind system,; more where l can understand how it works. I’m somewhat familiar with solar ,l have one 100 watt renogy panel ,2 -45 watt harbor freight kit systems and 4 /35 amp-hr batteries . (Running for a while)and l like this kind of stuff 🙏🏻it runs lights ,fans , small stuff like charge of phones etc. Will you please tell me if l can use the hybrid controller (green box like you have)for solar and wind. .?“Just trying to understand how it works... -even you stopped using it and suggested -using a rectifier and dump load. since what I’m doing is a small-medium system l hoping l still can use that hybrid controller (which l need to buy. Just to get my feet 🦶 wet l don’t mind spending $170 or so. “””🙈But l have had learned about it and is in a way not money waisted “””)then if my system grows then l will remove it and get something like midnite classic etc. Like you have now. -Or should just get rectifier, dump load solenoid and “(greehulk “looking like heat dissipation thing😁)for wind pma . I have few charge analog-digital controllers for solar, meters , wires ,fuses etc that l can still use if l upgrade system in the future. -Btw l have two of the same dump load (controllers looking like) that you installed. ;Without knowing what they where😁I bought them at Redondo beach Northrop Grumman swap meet $5 each 5 years ago. For the last month and a half I been using-testing them as charge controllers and they seem to work ok. Now l now you use them as load dump controller 👌 also any suggestions for entry level pma for my system.?l also live in the windyCalifornia desert .🙏🏻sorry for the long question and thanks again
Stay away from the hybrid controller for PMA. Mine failed and burned up the PMA. Use the bridge rectifier and dump load. You can start with the solenoid system, but the new digital diversion systems are more reliable. Don't buy a cheap PMA from China. They are not what they claim to be and you will be disappointed. Look for a KT5 by Thermodyne. Mine has been great, but I am thinking of upping the PMA to a higher output unit, or maybe adding a second PMA.
@@GBear thanks 🙏🏻 for the good and prompt response amigo. Depending on how much it cost I will get the thermodyne kt5. I need something on the entry-mid level. “God bless you GRAND-E BEAR 🐻”
Then of course mine would be an AC generator...lol...it says "dyna technology " ...how come I always wind up outside the box? I put a 3 horsepower engine I had on a frame and oversized the pulley on the engine...it only has to run about 1400 rpms to be enough for the Aims to charge, so it only takes less than a pint of gas to bring my batteries up...so I guess the 5 hp Briggs motor I had on there will go on the scooter...(another project)
Yes, dyna is short for dynamo, which means alternator. Easier to remember, if it has 3 wires the same color, it's an AC alternator. If it has 2 wires that are different colors it is a DC generator. An alternator can be converted to a generator by connecting the 3 wires to a bridge rectifier.
It has only one wire, the other is the case...it's a Winco generator, it says model 2200 P or something...the tag is hard to read on that part..it's wired similarly to a DC generator I think...I had it up to 135 volts if I speed it up but my inverter/charger only needs 100 volts to charge so I am just running it at fast idle to save gas...the voltage steadily climbs on the MT 50 with it running slow, maybe 1500 rpms
I had to set #1 dip switch on the inverter to accept wide power before the Aims would accept power from it...it didn't matter what the voltage was...it acts the opposite of an inverter, the sine wave improves under load but it starts out a little dirty evidently...the thing I like is it takes little power to turn it so I thought it might be good on a windmill....I see everyone else is using something different so that's usually the way I go, directly opposite lol...
I see what they did...I found the same model. It's discontinued..I guess they worked too well, it was called 2FSM2PC-1 price was $728, has been replaced by TB2400/E brushless alternator price $331 ...the older one takes less power to turn, but it has two copper brush rings on the armature which controls field current according to load so as the batteries charge it takes less to turn so the governor let's up and the engine just fast idles the finish charge, so it's not loud...I'm going to put a muffler from a Chinese generator that blew the engine on it and make it even quieter tomorrow...
48 amp generator I heard it's easier to connect strait ac monitor aluminum with heat sink fan cooling then to a tankless water heater or reverse tank first ac wind power to a ac extra home breaker not main must make ground wire to ground breaker ,,, on the first 15amp breaker it will be the socket 3 prong grounded again charge converter to a ac to dc 48amp battery charger,that shuts off when charged connect it to heat sink fan powerful inverter connect to main breaker with a switch to or shut off with connect of propane generator the main breaker must have a generator interlock kit. If running on grid or case of emergency I think that inverters rules and etc ac DC must be double the size of the wind generator for the reason to avoid over heating and some have discreptencies lower wattage or poorly made mistakes from factory,,
@@GBear U say anything negative about operation Popeye aka chem trails ur a nut. But say we need to save the planet with Geo engineering. Oh what a hero
Gorilla dough. For..real..though. Nobody is going to address the intro? You seem like an intelligent enough of a person to understand basic electricity. How are we being fooled about how aircraft work? Because they make contrails? The cirrus clouds you were pointing at were around 50,000 ft the aircraft were flying in the 30k to 38k ft range. I have been a pilot and aircraft mech for 20 years. I know just about every single part of a 737NG and A320 CEO fam and EMB 145 to 175 aircraft and most of 757 767 A330 A350 A220 and the CRJ 200 to 900s. I can absolutely 100 percent can say that there are no chem trail systems on an any of them. Most of the rumors about them were actually made by me and a bunch of guys that thought it was really funny at the time. Also the burning of an insane amount of hydro carbons produces tons of H20 and CO2. It is close to 40 below zero where those planes are flying and this very hot water vapor quickly turns to ice crystals that show up as contrails. At cruise alt depending on load and a number of other factors a 737-800 or A320 which both run cfm56 engines can burn around 5000 lbs of fuel an hour. If you combine atmospheric O2 with JET A C11.6H22 that is a lot of h2O--217 moles of water about 3900 grams per gallon. Also a butt ton of CO2 however..per passenger mile it is actually very environmentally friendly compared to driving. And the next next gen geared turbo fans NEO (new engine option) is way way more efficient. That's two ways so you know it's good. You don't have to be afraid anymore. Everything is going to be okay.. but maybe a nuclear war is coming so don't calm down too much. I like your video good job.
Thanks for all that information, I'm sure some of my followers will enjoy reading it. Just for kicks, please Google "What in the world are they spraying" and let me know what you think of that video/investigation. I don't think it is commercial airlines making chemtrails, as I have seen multiple occasions of aircraft that are tiny in the sky because of altitude, flying in the same direction and sometimes opposite directions, so I can't make out what kind of craft they are, but one will have a trail miles long, and the other has no trail at all, or a very short one. Also, some days there are absolutely no trails in the sky, and other days the sky is criss-crossed in trails that meld together and become a complete cloud cover, all days with similar weather and temperatures. My neighbors and I sit outside sometimes and watch it all happen over a few hours. Today, there are absolutely no trails at all, and I know there are planes up there because I can hear them, just can't see them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You have a system I put together in 1999 when I moved to my house here. Mine was a 12v system. 2021 - after 20 years: All that stuff I bought was and is now DEAD. 1200watts in panels - DEAD. 8 banks of 6 volt batteries - DEAD. 8 L-16 150 pound battery 6 volt deep charge - DEAD.
My 2023 upgrades now: 4000 watt solar panels (12 panels at 330 watt). I have 3 charge controllers now: 1 at 2 panels, 1 at 4 panels, and one at 6 panels. I built 2 new battery packs at 24 volt from LiFePO4 330 watts at 3.2 volt for a total storage of
@lindafoxwood78 Welcome aboard! Yep, my system batteries only lasted 10 years, I bought them a year before moving out here. I am planning an upgrade of the entire system, going to 48v all in one, 10k Sungoldpower, I have 4 of the LiFePO4 12v, 230ah batteries right now, going to add on 12 more for 16 total. I'll also be adding another 1800w of panels, and a 48v 1000w PMA for night production.
As always, a very good walk through! - Bob
Thanks, and welcome aboard!
Can you do a timelapse of the cloud formation from jets? Then people can't argue about it.
Welcome aboard! Yes, I think I could do that, but I also think you underestimate the sheeple who do the arguing.😆👍
When it come to this sort of thing.....it goes right over my head.
If there's anything I can help you with, let me know. I can do details for you.
And Welcome aboard!
Thanks I'll let you know when we get there
@@CrookedWoodsFamilyOrchard 👍😉👍
Can I use a dump load instead of a solar charge controller
Welcome aboard! In a word, No. A solar charge controller performs multiple tasks.
It determines the voltage of your battery bank, then adjusts the incoming voltage from your solar panels to meet the battery needs, not only for charging them, but to prevent overcharging and low voltage damage.
Really nice video. I thought maybe those green dump loads had to be submerged in water but that isn't the case is it?
Welcome aboard! Absolutely not on the dump load resistor. The 2 contacts would short out under water.
I too have a Chinese wind generator, with out any plans, I do know that it is a 200 watts 12 volts WG and it has 5 blades. I have no idea about the company's name or if the generator has a name. I got it for about $100 on e-Bay! What can I say, you get what you paid for! I was able to find a fitting that would connect my turbine to a 1-1/2 inch 16' black plumbers pipe. My question is this, supposedly after I have connected my 12-3 wire to the generator, I should twist the wires at the end together. So you don't get a shock. Is this true or not? I think you showed connection 1st. to a rectifier. Three wires at the top of thee rectifier and the lower 2- to the battery. Am I right so far? I'm learning as I go? Great video's, hope there's more to come?
Ok, at the generator, make your connections using electrical lugs and be sure they are tight, then insulate them with electrical stretch tape.
Those 3 wires go to the retifier input side in any order, then the output of the rectifier should go through a meter so you can read output/input, then to the battery bank.
A load diversion unit then connects to the battery banks to monitor voltage and divert excess to a resistance.
Don't get too discouraged with that 200w Chinese unit. The unit will mostly produce very low output in standard winds because it is designed to produce a MAXIMUM of 200w only at the highest wind speed it can handle. It's actual output will not be of much use.
Welcome aboard.
If I'm not mistaken
PMA generators produce 3 legs of AC power and the rectifier breaks it into DC power thru diodes
True.
Thank you very much, sir
You gave me helpful advice
Best regards
You're welcome.
working with a wind turbine will not damage the battery due to high voltage? What works dump load ??
tnks ..love
Welcome aboard! You're welcome.
I spent thousands on the bluetti...that was a no brainer. I did come across some other wt controlars,just need to know if turbines on ebay,and amazon at low cost are crap too!
Yes, those cheap ones are crap, and they lie about output. I have seen them claim 4000-10000 watts max with a 3 blade 40" span.
Just Google KT5 and it will get you to a good U.S. dealer who makes quality turbines, or just go to www.hydrogenappliances.com/KT5.html
So, can I directly connect my appliences through the pos and neg wires that are coming out of the rectifier?
Welcome aboard. NO! All the rectifier does is convert AC to DC. It needs a charge controller to control the voltage output to match your battery bank size, ie; 12v, 24v, 48v, etc. The pos/neg can also be connected directly to the battery bank as long as a digital dump diverter is used also.
how about the dump load intp hot water tank
Welcome aboard. You could do that. I don't need any extra hot water, I live in the desert and only heat water a couple of months a year, minimally.
what if I buy the turbine,and use other controlar. Are turbines ok. If not guide me please on a controlar and turbine please
The cheap Chinese turbines don't last in my opinion. I tried one on my first attempt at wind power. Their so called permanent magnets weren't. I now use the KT5 by Thermodyne, but if was going to do it again I would go with the "Max-core". Otherwise it has been working fine.
I've said it before, wind power should be considered supplemental, since wind is not a constant speed and employment.
Where I am, I get winds every afternoon after 3pm, sometimes they blow all night, other times they die down by midnight. Sometimes they are fierce near 30mph, other times they are calming around 6-14mph.
@@GBear Gotcha! It's a fun idea. Don't need the head ache. Thanks for your experience, and knowledge.
You're welcome.
Hmmm... Hmmmmm.
So the new color MarsRock hybrid is not a good idea you say?
Welcome aboard! I'm not familiar with the new color MarsRock hybrid, but all the Chinese hybrid controllers are junk.
@@GBear It is supposedly a MPPT wind charge controller (with that green dump load resister) and a separate PWM solar charge controller in the same housing (chassis/heatsink) mainly for self sustaining streetlight operation. I'm about to experiment with one.
@@erratic88 welcome aboard. Let us know how the experiment goes!
You seem like a fairly scientific kind of fellow. Confused as to why you would think jet trails are the cause of clouds
Maybe because I watched them and actually witnessed it?
Geoengineering is a real thing, just like cloud seeding was many years ago.
Some people close their minds to it by saying, a jet engine won't, or can't do that. Well, I agree it won't or can't do that, but that doesn't mean a plane couldn't "seed" clouds.
Through the freedom of information act, documents have been obtained to prove geoengineering (making clouds) is a real thing, and it has been going on for a long time.
@@GBear Geoengineering is a real thing
you need stronger meds
I don't take meds, don't need them. Google "What in The World Are They spraying" and get educated, please.
@@GBear actually it is proven and there are old videos from the 50s where they boast about their new technology to make rain with aluminium and silver. Nowadays they only use aluminium and that stuns growth of plants and it also dissolves the brain barrier which is why pollutants like mercury can do their thing in dissolving the brain. James and David are clearly the victim of this as they do not even realize or want to investigate what is going on. That kind of people are our biggest threats when the shit hits the fan and it will soon.
Very helpful video, thanks for the info.
Merci!
Good evening, I enjoy your videos, a question...how do you get your hot water , and I notice a lot of wind guys use lead acid batterys?
I use a tankless propane water heater in the winter. The rest of the year, the sun makes it hotter than needed. I take cold showers that are luke warm.
I'm not sure about why the wing guys use lead acid batteries, but it could be that LiPo batteries need special charge controllers.
Man every time i type in a question, i see a video of yours to answer it lol. Can't say thanks enough for all the videos!!!
Missouri wind and solar told me i couldn't put a vawt on my trailer to help charge my batteries while driving, i don't see how they wouldn't spin fast enough driving 60 plus mph. Just not sure of the alternator to build one with. Know I'll know the difference of pma and pmg.
They probably meant "It isn't legal to put a vawt on a moving vehicle." Not that it wouldn't work. Liability and distraction would be main issues.
@@GBear sam said a vertical wouldn't catch enough wind, due to turbulence and air flow, that it wouldn't spin high enough. I didn't argue since they are the pro's, he recommended charging with the truck alternator. Which wouldn't help me if im not driving. I saw John Daniels has a $130 Chinese unit that gives 5-7 amps to keep batteries up at night. It would help but not if it was 90+ and i was running the ac two day's in a row with no sun. I could be wrong but what the heck, im going to play around with the idea lol. You'd be surprised at how often im told it can't be done or I'll kill myself playing with electric 😂. The way i see it, it's win win, I'll learn something or get into heaven that much sooner!!
Lol, that's a shocking revelation...🤣
He's right about turbulence, as I said earlier in your first comment to me. Even setting it too low to the ground affects it.
@@checkingoutgypsymike2075
Using your car alternator is more efficient energy conversion of fuel to power. This is a direct connection to the engine. Instead if you would use a wind turbine on the roof, fuel would power the wheels, the wheels would drive the car, and then the car speed would power the wind turbine. More losses. Maybe use a HAWT on a pole on your van when you are stationairy and remove while driving?
How do you detect when to use the dump load?
@user-rm5md2do6d The dump load controller does that. It monitors the battery voltage and activates a switch that turns the resistor on or off.
@@GBear the dump load is AC or DC?
@@user-rm5md2do6d DC. This one is 12v.
Can you not use the mppt controller for your wind turbine?
Welcome aboard, Frank! My turbine is rated at over 1800 watts, and none of the mppt controllers, except the Midnite Classic will handle that. The Midnite Classic can only run solar, OR wind, not both at the same time, and since it is handling over 1800 watts of solar, I would need another Midnite.
@G Bear's Off Grid Ways-A Homestead In The Desert my turbine is only rated for 500watts and my solar panels only 600watts would it be fine to use the hybrid mppt controller
If the controller is rated for more than the turbine, yes. But note that a hybrid controller is also, for solar OR wind. Not both at the same time.
It's hybrid mppt controller.
Yes, but hybrids can't run both wind AND solar at the same time. It's either wind OR solar. Even a high end expensive controller like the Midnite Classic can only run one or the other, not both on the same controller.
@G Bear's Off Grid Ways-A Homestead In The Desert question for you dear friend. I received my first ever turbine and I noticed the shaft end that attaches to the props have abit of play I can push on it and it goes into the generator like almost a 1/4 inch. Is it faulty or is that normal
Sounds faulty to me.
I do understand he is doing getting direct power and try not to waste it & prevent a fire heat energy batteries do end up heating more faster in the long run damage dried out to much heat , 48v lithium ion ,,,, I heard some people have a quick disconnect from generator and a stop the fan from rotating from the wind by using boards set up to avoid a fire from generator n wear n tear
Please could you comment on the video called "wind turbine dump load problem " eg how it was wired?
Welcome aboard Jon! I've done that a couple times already. But I'll do a quick mention of it again. Note though that my model of dump load controller is no longer sold. A digital controller has taken its place, but the basic wiring is the same.
@@GBear you didn't have a wire going from bottom left terminal to the right side terminal!?
No. The bottom terminals are for 'always closed' connections, meaning the power is always on and will turn off when the solenoid activates.
This was pretty interesting
Thanks. Tonight's video expands on that.
What size/type battery's do you use
I started 6 years ago with 18, 6v US2200 golf cart batteries, 232 amp hours each, connected in series parallel for a 12v battery bank. Last year I added 6, 6v Trojan "H series" at 470 amp hours each.
Welcome aboard!
I believe what you are explaining to the public about the difference between a two-wire, and a three-wire wind turbine all comes from the heart. I've got several ceiling-fan motors complete with N-52 strong magnets, but there are no rectifiers inside the metal case coverings, the wind turbine is up on my roof with two wires protruding out from motor that leads back to my battery bank. Question: How should I set up the rectifier, single phase, or three phase, 50 amp, or 100 amp, or should I just go home and kick my dog?
I not completely sure what you are saying , but a 2 wire is a generator, nor an alternator. So if you have a 2 wire turbine, it produces DC power and can be connected directly to the battery bank. BUT!!! If you are talking about transforming a ceiling fan motor to be a turbine, then it is a different story.
The ceiling fan using permanent magnet technology will need to be tested for output first. Remove the blades, and use a a drill motor to crank the motor. Check the DC output on the 2 wires.
That will give you an indication of the voltage output. If you plan to charge a 12v battery, you need approx. 13.5vdc, a 24v battery would need around 35vdc, and a 48v battery would need about 57v.
If your out put is close to your need, you are set to connect directly to the battery, then use a digital diverter to control overcharge to the battery.
Welcome aboard!
Thank's-a-bunch for such a quick response. I have a 12-volt deep cycle battery bank set-up, and yes, you are right about the ceiling fan motors converted or turned into wind turbine power. I ran a test on the DC output as you instructed, and it registered: 33.3 volts, and tested two more that were almost identical: 21.9 volts, and 21.2 volts. So, you recommend a 13.5vdc, what does that mean? I'm learning as I go.
@Eugene Remmels jr. OK, I recommend you run those through a charge controller. Connect your battery first to the controller so it knows what voltage you need, then connect the turbines to a bus bar. Then to the solar input of the charge controller. I recommend that you use something like the Midnite Classic 150, 200, or 250, as they're designed for either solar or turbine input.
Also, I don't know what you are using for blades, but be careful. I haven't seen home made blades yet that didn't blow apart and become missiles in high winds.
@@GBear OK, should there be a rectifier for every wind turbine along with a dump load with SOLENOID? My blades are constructed with two separate laminates of 1/8" flooring material (sheet panels) sandwiched together with plenty of glue, cure overnight, then fiberglass with a good resin, after it hardens it becomes much stronger. However, my home is located in an area where storms whip through the town with unimageable wind speed power of 60 to 90 mph. I should set up some kind of an emergency brake system, any information will be helpful.
Rectifiers are only used on PMA'S which are AC 3 wire. You should only have 2 wires on those PMG'S, positive and negative, so no rectifier is used. The voltage is too high for a 12v system and therefore needs to run through a charge controller that will adjust and limit the voltage going to the batteries. You also won't need a dump load because the charge controller will "rest" when no more charge is required.
Hi,what two wires do I need to connect the unloader to the controlar.
Hi Richard. I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you wanting to know the wiring for the dumpload controller to the batteries or to the resistor? Please clarify.
@@GBear Some of the turbines that come with controlors don't have holes to put a dumpload. Do all turbine system need that
@@richardjones7882 no, a dumpload is not ALWAYS required. Some controllers are designed to monitor the battery state and will go into a resting mode to prevent overcharging of the battery. Other controllers require a connection from the controller auxiliary to some sort of load.
I didn't trust cheap Chinese turbine controllers to protect $3000 worth of batteries, so I went this route.
@@GBear Thank you.I did the homework.Can you tell me what would be the best hybrid controlar to buy.The dumploader is good I hear,but the the green controlar that comes with it is junk
Hybrid controllers made in China are all junk. I don't know what equipment you have.
I have a KT5 1850watt turbine (PMA), and would never trust it to a hybrid controller. The dumpload controller I use is no longer sold. I has been replaced by digital controllers, which I would choose over a hybrid controller.
When or if I need to replace my existing dump load controller, I will use a Midnite Classic controller, dedicated solely to the turbine. It provides the most efficient control available.
Of course it costs more, but in electrical generation, you get what you pay for.
Where can I get the controller for the dump valve
Welcome aboard Jon! Sorry. They no longer make this PWM style dump load. They now make digital diverters that do a better job. You can find them on ebay.
@@GBear Hi, can I use solid state relay instead? Thanks
@@evrenforest2578 Yes. That is what replaced the pwm model I have. If you would like a link to one, let me know.
It's much kinder on your batteries to Divert any excess power prior to it even getting to the Battery. Use the Same Relay directing the power away from the Batteries into a Dump Load or some other means to consume it. Hot Water Heaters work good. Switch (Divert ) the power right after the Rectifier. The DC Voltage.
That's one way.
@@GBear Yep. One way to eliminate unnecessary Charge / Discharge Cycles. Possibly extending your batteries life years. I really want my batteries to last as long as possible. Another way to do that is to simply not charge your battery to 100% all the time. Only charging to say 90-95% can also add years to your system.
@@pulesjet do you have any videos or toots on how to do it? im doing it the same way gbear does it but with a xantrex dumpload controller
@@WhiteGravey I'm going with a 24V LiFePo4 system. You can't hit them with Over Voltage like you can with Lead Acid. All you need is a Voltage Sensing PCB. Upper and Lower Limits tripping a Battery Transfer Relay. DONE DEAL. Your controller would work I think. Any excess power I produced goes right to a Plug N Play Grid Tie. I can do that as long as I only produce what I can use. I don't want the Power company seeing me back feed. No Good for you if your off grid. Options other will be booted to a Water heater or even a Room Heater. Just dumping it into a Resister is like a WASTE of everyone's work. Are you using Wind, Solar or Both ? Mine is both. The turbine came with a cheesy controller but the voltages don't match what I need with these batteries. I'll be using a rather cheap Chines MPPT controller for that task. They are limited to like 60V input. The grid tie is good up to the same on input.
Voltage Detection PCB : www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Charge-Discharge-Board-Under-Over-Voltage-Protection-Module-DC-6-40V-TW/132406615026?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Transfer Relay: www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SWITCH-RELAY-SOLENOID-For-Winch-Motor-Golf-Cart-Continuous-Duty-12V-5-Term/272733024569
If I had a E-mail address I could send you a Schematic and what not. I really don't wish to post mine here. I guess UA-cam did away with the MSG system here ?
Hi G Bear, I put this together. What do you think.
(1) Renogy Rover Elite 40Amp MPPT Solar Charge Controller 12V 24V Lithium AGM Gel.(2) Ampere Time 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Lithium Battery for RV Off-grid Trolling Motor. (3)
Audiotek 2000W Watt Power Inverter DC 12V AC 110V Car Converter USB port Charger. To run a small house window airconditioner. I'll run average of 2to 7 panals. Whats your thoughts. How am I doing?-Richie Arizona! Im also thinking of this $40 inverter. LVYUAN Power Inverter 2000 Watt DX-GAX2000W
Thanks Bear.
First, if you don't already have one, get one of these. amzn.to/3zQxCY3
Now, plug it in to an outlet and then plug your A/C into it and turn it on.
Now you know how many watts you need to run that air-conditioning unit.
Now you can do the math on how may watt hours you need to run it constantly through the day, and if you plan on running that A/C at night, your battery bank will need to maintain that usage without input.
@@GBear Perfect!
Remember to watch the reading on initial startup, then also the running watts.
That meter will also tell you the starting and running amps of any 120vac appliance, as well as the watts.
@@GBear Gotcha!
I’ve been watching planes all my life. One day the lines were staying. I kept paying attention to them and they were spreading turning into clouds I mentioned it to a few people and they called me stupid, that I was into conspiracy theories. I have a friend who told me it was steam from engines because she saw Joe rogan talking about it. One day I pointed two planes. Same altitude. One with the trail and one without it. Then it started living short trails. She had no answer to that. You just gotta pay attention
Same here! People in cities seldom look up to the skies. Here in the desert, there is nothing blocking your view.
When I mention it, I have the same response to which I reply, "So, planes can't spray? So what is cloud seeding, crop dusting, and skywriting?"
When you have time, search UA-cam for, "What In The World Are They Spraying"
My pma has the rectifier is in the back my pma are 2 wire
Yes, I prefer the 3 wire so the rectifier is down where I can get to it if it burns out, without having to lower the mast.
Very informative “Grand-e”Bear. 👍question; I’m trying to hook solar-wind system,; more where l can understand how it works. I’m somewhat familiar with solar ,l have one 100 watt renogy panel ,2 -45 watt harbor freight kit systems and 4 /35 amp-hr batteries . (Running for a while)and l like this kind of stuff 🙏🏻it runs lights ,fans , small stuff like charge of phones etc. Will you please tell me if l can use the hybrid controller (green box like you have)for solar and wind. .?“Just trying to understand how it works... -even you stopped using it and suggested -using a rectifier and dump load. since what I’m doing is a small-medium system l hoping l still can use that hybrid controller (which l need to buy. Just to get my feet 🦶 wet l don’t mind spending $170 or so. “””🙈But l have had learned about it and is in a way not money waisted “””)then if my system grows then l will remove it and get something like midnite classic etc. Like you have now. -Or should just get rectifier, dump load solenoid and “(greehulk “looking like heat dissipation thing😁)for wind pma . I have few charge analog-digital controllers for solar, meters , wires ,fuses etc that l can still use if l upgrade system in the future. -Btw l have two of the same dump load (controllers looking like) that you installed. ;Without knowing what they where😁I bought them at Redondo beach Northrop Grumman swap meet $5 each 5 years ago. For the last month and a half I been using-testing them as charge controllers and they seem to work ok. Now l now you use them as load dump controller 👌 also any suggestions for entry level pma for my system.?l also live in the windyCalifornia desert .🙏🏻sorry for the long question and thanks again
Stay away from the hybrid controller for PMA. Mine failed and burned up the PMA.
Use the bridge rectifier and dump load. You can start with the solenoid system, but the new digital diversion systems are more reliable. Don't buy a cheap PMA from China. They are not what they claim to be and you will be disappointed. Look for a KT5 by Thermodyne. Mine has been great, but I am thinking of upping the PMA to a higher output unit, or maybe adding a second PMA.
@@GBear thanks 🙏🏻 for the good and prompt response amigo. Depending on how much it cost I will get the thermodyne kt5. I need something on the entry-mid level. “God bless you GRAND-E BEAR 🐻”
Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. Welcome aboard!
Then of course mine would be an AC generator...lol...it says "dyna technology " ...how come I always wind up outside the box? I put a 3 horsepower engine I had on a frame and oversized the pulley on the engine...it only has to run about 1400 rpms to be enough for the Aims to charge, so it only takes less than a pint of gas to bring my batteries up...so I guess the 5 hp Briggs motor I had on there will go on the scooter...(another project)
Yes, dyna is short for dynamo, which means alternator. Easier to remember, if it has 3 wires the same color, it's an AC alternator. If it has 2 wires that are different colors it is a DC generator.
An alternator can be converted to a generator by connecting the 3 wires to a bridge rectifier.
It has only one wire, the other is the case...it's a Winco generator, it says model 2200 P or something...the tag is hard to read on that part..it's wired similarly to a DC generator I think...I had it up to 135 volts if I speed it up but my inverter/charger only needs 100 volts to charge so I am just running it at fast idle to save gas...the voltage steadily climbs on the MT 50 with it running slow, maybe 1500 rpms
Do you have video of it?
I had to set #1 dip switch on the inverter to accept wide power before the Aims would accept power from it...it didn't matter what the voltage was...it acts the opposite of an inverter, the sine wave improves under load but it starts out a little dirty evidently...the thing I like is it takes little power to turn it so I thought it might be good on a windmill....I see everyone else is using something different so that's usually the way I go, directly opposite lol...
I see what they did...I found the same model. It's discontinued..I guess they worked too well, it was called 2FSM2PC-1 price was $728, has been replaced by TB2400/E brushless alternator price $331 ...the older one takes less power to turn, but it has two copper brush rings on the armature which controls field current according to load so as the batteries charge it takes less to turn so the governor let's up and the engine just fast idles the finish charge, so it's not loud...I'm going to put a muffler from a Chinese generator that blew the engine on it and make it even quieter tomorrow...
48 amp generator I heard it's easier to connect strait ac monitor aluminum with heat sink fan cooling then to a tankless water heater or reverse tank first ac wind power to a ac extra home breaker not main must make ground wire to ground breaker ,,, on the first 15amp breaker it will be the socket 3 prong grounded again charge converter to a ac to dc 48amp battery charger,that shuts off when charged connect it to heat sink fan powerful inverter connect to main breaker with a switch to or shut off with connect of propane generator the main breaker must have a generator interlock kit. If running on grid or case of emergency I think that inverters rules and etc ac DC must be double the size of the wind generator for the reason to avoid over heating and some have discreptencies lower wattage or poorly made mistakes from factory,,
Very true!
Dangit I hate chemtrails.
Me too! Welcome aboard Gavin!
I made my pma’s out of gm alternator
Welcome aboard! Yes, those work. What is the max wattage output of those pma's, and what size alternator did you use?
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@@GBear
U say anything negative about operation Popeye aka chem trails ur a nut. But say we need to save the planet with Geo engineering. Oh what a hero
@@electromechanicalstuff2602 I see. But you sure have "trolling" down to a perfect science.
thay have dune that so you will not see there new ufo ha ha
Probably!
Gorilla dough. For..real..though. Nobody is going to address the intro? You seem like an intelligent enough of a person to understand basic electricity. How are we being fooled about how aircraft work? Because they make contrails? The cirrus clouds you were pointing at were around 50,000 ft the aircraft were flying in the 30k to 38k ft range. I have been a pilot and aircraft mech for 20 years. I know just about every single part of a 737NG and A320 CEO fam and EMB 145 to 175 aircraft and most of 757 767 A330 A350 A220 and the CRJ 200 to 900s. I can absolutely 100 percent can say that there are no chem trail systems on an any of them. Most of the rumors about them were actually made by me and a bunch of guys that thought it was really funny at the time. Also the burning of an insane amount of hydro carbons produces tons of H20 and CO2. It is close to 40 below zero where those planes are flying and this very hot water vapor quickly turns to ice crystals that show up as contrails. At cruise alt depending on load and a number of other factors a 737-800 or A320 which both run cfm56 engines can burn around 5000 lbs of fuel an hour. If you combine atmospheric O2 with JET A C11.6H22 that is a lot of h2O--217 moles of water about 3900 grams per gallon. Also a butt ton of CO2 however..per passenger mile it is actually very environmentally friendly compared to driving. And the next next gen geared turbo fans NEO (new engine option) is way way more efficient. That's two ways so you know it's good. You don't have to be afraid anymore. Everything is going to be okay.. but maybe a nuclear war is coming so don't calm down too much. I like your video good job.
Thanks for all that information, I'm sure some of my followers will enjoy reading it.
Just for kicks, please Google "What in the world are they spraying" and let me know what you think of that video/investigation. I don't think it is commercial airlines making chemtrails, as I have seen multiple occasions of aircraft that are tiny in the sky because of altitude, flying in the same direction and sometimes opposite directions, so I can't make out what kind of craft they are, but one will have a trail miles long, and the other has no trail at all, or a very short one. Also, some days there are absolutely no trails in the sky, and other days the sky is criss-crossed in trails that meld together and become a complete cloud cover, all days with similar weather and temperatures. My neighbors and I sit outside sometimes and watch it all happen over a few hours. Today, there are absolutely no trails at all, and I know there are planes up there because I can hear them, just can't see them.
Thanks for watching and commenting.