Fair enough response on the Ch'ŏnma-ho IV. Really appreciate the response too. Pretty apt critique too. The low front armor and speed really makes it unable to fight offensively. Don't worry about the long response either. I just write and over-explain a lot. I definitely appreciate the advice this series has provided though. Definitely a fun listen and watch while doing doing the dishes. Been trying to get a bit more competitive while not completely abandoning my older playstyle.
I feel like individually each advantage the Super M60 has over the M1 Abrams seems negligible, but it is one of those units that every time you look back at the stats it's kind of like "but wait, there's more". I mean, the damn thing has more side armor than a Leclerc. But generally my feeling is that a single M1 Abrams > Super M60, whereas a 2 stack of Super M60 > 2 Stack of M1 Abrams
>A tier : charioteer, gasu outu shiki >B tier : 2a5, m8 ags Absolutely haram Also Razz before DLC : m1a1 is A tier, maybe even S tier Razz after yugo : it's still not m84a, also lacks stealth for the price
i think the starship should’ve been a tier higher. In a 2 stack, they can instantly delete infantry at range and delete expensive transports. Because of this and its good-ish armor, i feel like they dominate in an area where proper tanks are not operating and ranges are short to medium. Even by itself, the supression you can apply to infantry on top of the 5 he AND autocannon, it’s such a force multiplier for your infantry. Both burst and DPS. Yes it’s slow, and stuff like VDV 90 can oneshot it if you’re crawling around in a forest, but if you use it right, support and screen it right, and make sure it isn’t threatened by tanks, it’s master of all traits - just short of anti-tank.
The Sheridan you had to wash the barrel out between every shot and handle the ammo with the utmost care because it was "caseless" and so fragile as hell and if you broke one then any kind of spark or naked flame in the vehicle would then kill everyone on board because the propellant would scatter everywhere. 3 rounds per minute was a generous figure :D. And to top it all off, because the shillelagh used infrared to receive guidance from the tank if there was a heat source, up to and including the sun, within a something like 70 degree cone behind the missile it would lose guidance (which is part of the reason for it having terrible accuracy.)
Honestly, even tho I am (some what) biased (bc im german). I have to agree with you when it comes to the Leopard 2A5. When it comes to roles, the 2A5 is like a typical tank, just with a little more armor than a typical tank. However if used correctly in a match, it can outclass every super heavy. In a match I managed to destroy 7 super heavies before accidentally exposing my side to an ATGM unit. Edit: It was a 10v10 match, idk why the enemy deployed 7 or even more super heavies. they exposed their sides and backs to me only 2 kills were frontal kills
No idea why they don't show up. If you check the description I added the timestamps like I usually do. EDIT: Just refreshed the description, it should work now.
Completely disagree with leopard 2A5 being a tier below Kyu-Maru Shiki. Yes it's not as good as other superheavies, but the kyu maru is also pretty eugh compared to other superheavies. Between the atrocious autonomy (I've seen kyu marus out of fuel quite often, and more importantly I've seen then running out of fuel in the middle of a push) and the low armour for 170 pts, I don't think the autoloader is so much of an improvement that it becomes a whole tier higher. I agree with the placement of the 2A5 in B tier, but the Kyu marus should also be in B tier, it's definitely one of the worse superheavies, in my experience.
26ap vs 12armor = (26-12)/2+1 = 8 dmg right? So 12 armor isn't 1 shot by 26 ap? It is pretty easy to get those 350m less than max range for a one shot though I guess. Edit: Oh 26ap heat does 1 shot 12 armor though.
Razzman: "KPz T-71M1 one of best support tanks... in a vacuum its pretty good... honestly if eurocorps had this tank they would like it... i definitely prefer this over Leopard 2A1" Me: "sounds like a solid B tier" Razzman: *puts in C tier, puts Leopard 2A1 in B* me: 👁️👃👁️
Regarding the Browning vs the MG3 on M48A2Gs; MG3 on vehicles has better DPS than the Browning due to the higher accuracy. So there is literally no reason to pick the KPz M48A2G over the KPz M48A2G. Unless you count the one tick of range for the Browning.
@@RazzmannWG MG3 has more damage until you close in to 300m or so. Before that the extra accuracy is more valuable than the extra damage of the Browning. The MG3 does 10-20% more damage until then. The suppression is a fair point though.
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one win with every nation please
Fair enough response on the Ch'ŏnma-ho IV. Really appreciate the response too. Pretty apt critique too. The low front armor and speed really makes it unable to fight offensively.
Don't worry about the long response either. I just write and over-explain a lot. I definitely appreciate the advice this series has provided though. Definitely a fun listen and watch while doing doing the dishes. Been trying to get a bit more competitive while not completely abandoning my older playstyle.
I feel like individually each advantage the Super M60 has over the M1 Abrams seems negligible, but it is one of those units that every time you look back at the stats it's kind of like "but wait, there's more". I mean, the damn thing has more side armor than a Leclerc. But generally my feeling is that a single M1 Abrams > Super M60, whereas a 2 stack of Super M60 > 2 Stack of M1 Abrams
That’s honestly such a good way of putting it, couldn’t have said it better myself
cant wait to see moderna in s+ tier
>A tier : charioteer, gasu outu shiki
>B tier : 2a5, m8 ags
Absolutely haram
Also
Razz before DLC : m1a1 is A tier, maybe even S tier
Razz after yugo : it's still not m84a, also lacks stealth for the price
49:04 forget this used to be 20 points. at 15 its an absolute steal
Yeah it's quite good now. Though rarely seen outside e.g. Blue Armoured due to Scandi having even better fire support in other tabs.
I must admit my disappointment at only getting 20 minutes of leopards.
i think the starship should’ve been a tier higher. In a 2 stack, they can instantly delete infantry at range and delete expensive transports. Because of this and its good-ish armor, i feel like they dominate in an area where proper tanks are not operating and ranges are short to medium.
Even by itself, the supression you can apply to infantry on top of the 5 he AND autocannon, it’s such a force multiplier for your infantry. Both burst and DPS. Yes it’s slow, and stuff like VDV 90 can oneshot it if you’re crawling around in a forest, but if you use it right, support and screen it right, and make sure it isn’t threatened by tanks, it’s master of all traits - just short of anti-tank.
The Sheridan you had to wash the barrel out between every shot and handle the ammo with the utmost care because it was "caseless" and so fragile as hell and if you broke one then any kind of spark or naked flame in the vehicle would then kill everyone on board because the propellant would scatter everywhere. 3 rounds per minute was a generous figure :D.
And to top it all off, because the shillelagh used infrared to receive guidance from the tank if there was a heat source, up to and including the sun, within a something like 70 degree cone behind the missile it would lose guidance (which is part of the reason for it having terrible accuracy.)
Honestly, even tho I am (some what) biased (bc im german). I have to agree with you when it comes to the Leopard 2A5. When it comes to roles, the 2A5 is like a typical tank, just with a little more armor than a typical tank. However if used correctly in a match, it can outclass every super heavy. In a match I managed to destroy 7 super heavies before accidentally exposing my side to an ATGM unit.
Edit: It was a 10v10 match, idk why the enemy deployed 7 or even more super heavies. they exposed their sides and backs to me only 2 kills were frontal kills
Miss the timestamps
No idea why they don't show up. If you check the description I added the timestamps like I usually do.
EDIT: Just refreshed the description, it should work now.
@@RazzmannWG Thanks a lot, man. I know it's labour. And I appreciate it.
Agreed that it's frustrating that EB doesn't have a good low point value tank. I would contest M91A Vihor but I'm biased because I mostly play Entente
Completely disagree with leopard 2A5 being a tier below Kyu-Maru Shiki. Yes it's not as good as other superheavies, but the kyu maru is also pretty eugh compared to other superheavies. Between the atrocious autonomy (I've seen kyu marus out of fuel quite often, and more importantly I've seen then running out of fuel in the middle of a push) and the low armour for 170 pts, I don't think the autoloader is so much of an improvement that it becomes a whole tier higher. I agree with the placement of the 2A5 in B tier, but the Kyu marus should also be in B tier, it's definitely one of the worse superheavies, in my experience.
17:30, doesn't EB have the cheapest exceptional optics chopper?
Poland and Finland have the cheapest ones with 60pts, yes.
CMW too
@@Fausto8 Cmw gets 65pts
This is great and all Razz, but the MAT can beat any of these!
26ap vs 12armor = (26-12)/2+1 = 8 dmg right? So 12 armor isn't 1 shot by 26 ap? It is pretty easy to get those 350m less than max range for a one shot though I guess.
Edit: Oh 26ap heat does 1 shot 12 armor though.
Can't wait for wave of glorious T-34s.
Razzman: "KPz T-71M1 one of best support tanks... in a vacuum its pretty good... honestly if eurocorps had this tank they would like it... i definitely prefer this over Leopard 2A1"
Me: "sounds like a solid B tier"
Razzman: *puts in C tier, puts Leopard 2A1 in B*
me: 👁️👃👁️
wait I did? oops
Regarding the Browning vs the MG3 on M48A2Gs; MG3 on vehicles has better DPS than the Browning due to the higher accuracy. So there is literally no reason to pick the KPz M48A2G over the KPz M48A2G. Unless you count the one tick of range for the Browning.
Nah, the M2 is still better. Extra range, damage, suppression massively outvalue the accuracy difference.
@@RazzmannWG MG3 has more damage until you close in to 300m or so. Before that the extra accuracy is more valuable than the extra damage of the Browning. The MG3 does 10-20% more damage until then. The suppression is a fair point though.
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