The Male Loser | Jordan Peterson, Warren Farrell
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Jordan Peterson talks with Warren Farrell about women and men competition, dating, and losing the dating game.
Warren Farrell is a well-established author who was chosen as one of the world's top 100 thought leaders at the Financial Times. His books have been published in more than 50 countries and 19 different languages. Farrell is the author of New York Times Bestsellers “The Boy Crisis” and “Why Men Are The Way They Are”. Warren Farrell has been involved in a manifold of powerful movements focused on men and women and has been featured on over a thousand television shows including Oprah Winfrey, and Larry King.
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Women believe what they seek in Men is the same Men look for.
yep. No ones told them men are different.
Well, it also depends on the kind of woman you are interested in. As a woman, I don't have the same expectations for men that Jordan describes. Everyone's different regardless of their gender. I actually do like men described as "inferior" in the male hierarchy. I don't care if he doesn't work or his income is low. I only care about his looks tbh and he must be kind, sweet, and loyal. That's generally what men look for in a woman, so I guess I'm different from other women in that regard. Don't just believe that the rule of hierarchies applies to all men and women. There are different expectations for men among women and I suppose that's the case for some men as well. Also, beware of gold diggers. It is true that the more you escalate in the male hierarchy, the more options you have, but the vast majority of those options will most likely be gold diggers who will only want to date you for your money and what you can afford to buy.
@@alexss3661 Would you ever date down? As in, a guy who is less financially capable than you? Would you want to play the masculine role in the relationship?
@@jakerickytan1232 My partner makes more than me. I live/work on a dairy farm so I get free grass fed beef and we get free rent, my job has other perks, but she makes twice as much money than me.
I'm 6'4 250 pounds, super fit and gym it every day. She's tiny. Neither of us is the 'boss' we discuss things like adults. Is she the 'masculine role' Lol.
If you feel the need to dominate then that's why all your relationships are shit.
No they don't
Be like Aragorn, learn to be capable and add skill, be dangerous but mercyful, be great but humble, find purpose, fix objective, prioritize and execute. Help Rohan when in need.
I’m so glad I read this🤣
You are right. But why would you help Rohan when in trouble if what you get - if you survive the trouble - is a place at the table where everyone hates you for being a white man and with 50%+ people being put their by quotas? Why would you risk your life to join that pathetic group? I say we let it all burn. Fuck Rohan.
@@hanswurscht6625 wrong my man don't let the ring corrupt your soul, those ideas belong in mount doom. When time will be right, eagle will fly, chasing back those ugly orcs where they belong
@@joaquimliengme4989The fight is already over, we lost. I'm not corrupted, I value what you're saying. The problem is that the scourge is already in our castles. We're not fighting orcs, we are fighting for orcs.
Just take a look at what has been happening to Peterson. He's as much Aragorn as you could hope to be. And he's been shot down by his "own people" more often than you can count. When things are blurry, make it simple. Who's the enemy? Probably the one who's shooting at you.
People don't have faith in the west anymore. Radical left wing ideals are mainstream. Aragorn is not a soldier fighting for the good, he's a white man grabbing power. Why would he protect something that doesn't want to be protected by him? Why would you feed someone that's biting your hand?
Let it burn and hope for something better to come. Societies die by losing faith in themselves, they die from within. We are not the first to experience that. It's always been like this. From the Romans to this day.
@@hanswurscht6625 Peterson is killing it now more than ever. Don't waist your time seeking approval from people who follow ideology they can't bring anything on your table. We sadly do live in a fractured society nowadays but let's keep our heads up, stay responsible and always fix new things to achieve, the day you stop learning and engaging new projects is the day you start dying. A tree that fall is louder than a forest growing.
5:00 - there was this woman at my work who was married making fun of her ex boyfriend because he was still living with his parents but she would be in the same position as him if she didn't have her husband's 6 figure a year income on top of hers.
Most women live completely different and better lifestyles than men because in general they date and marry up and have a better lifestyle.
I was making the same money as this woman and while she was living in a high 6 figure house I had to rent a room.
Unless you are in the top 5% of individual income earners as a man the odds are the woman in the bottom 95% are living way better than the bottom 95% of men.
Yeah. This is why it’s usually women who say cliché things like “money isn’t everything” and say we focus on money too much. It’s easy for them to say because most of them don’t need to earn a lot of money to achieve status, live well and live comfortably
@@redpillsatori3020 Exactly. I could provide countless examples of this. Just watch what vehicles attractive women drive. It's usually 50k+ vehicles. There was this woman I worked with who made maybe $16 an hour and drove a Porche SUV lol.
Wrong, most women marry do not marry up they marry at the same level. You guys are just bitter incels.
@@haselbasil2488 Notice how you go straight to insults instead of trying to refute what I said. I go off of what I see, experience as well as what others do as well as data. Some women marry down but overwhelmingly it's up or across
@@niciassmith1204 I never said women marry down I said most marry at the same level as themselves and the data proves this (I got it from jorden Peterson himself). As for refuting what you said here goes: your percentages make no sense, how can 95% of women in the bottom be with only the 5% of top male individual income earners, these would be some very large harems these men have. What I see in the general population is average women with average jobs married to average men with average jobs. These really attractive women with really expensive cars you talk about are a small minority. Sorry but to me you do sound very bitter, maby stop going after women out of your league and you might be surprized what happens. Better than living like a victim.
Men want to be alone but we don't want to be by ourselves - patrice o'neal
That's so stupid. Patrice said a lot of dumb things.
@@emptyblank099a makes perfect sense
Lol
I need solitude and occasional company.
'Men want to be alone...' - is this true? ❤
I would absolutely love to see a full Crumb analysis done by Dr. Peterson.
Yes. Lets spam JP's twitter, maybe he has a record of it?
@@mrrrokas perhaps
Yes he has talked about it in one of his classes
@@C.muril0 I know, I've seen that. It's great, but I'd love if he did a real drawn out philosophical analysis covering the whole film. I'd watch the shit out of that.
Me too, I’ve watched the thing 3 times in the last couple weeks because there seems to be a deeply important message in there.
Plus Robert’s ink work is unbelievable. Just last night had a fever dream about Charle’s dark “ripple” characters too. Some seriously dark energy he captured onto the page
In India, it is quite normal for men to live with parents.
India's a shithole.
Then when they move out they go to Canada :)
Woman are terrified of rejection as well, the last time I rejected sexual advances from one I was asked if I was gay as if I should sleep with any woman that deems me fit for the job, hubris seems to be present in both sexes in the modern age but more so in woman then man lately.
That's a good story for her because if you are gay then she wasn't really rejected. It makes sense to me.
@@hgzmatt I'm not, the point of the story was she couldn't simply accept that a men would refuse her.
The difference is one of scale, which is why there i no point in pointing that out. 99% of the time it’s the guy doing the asking and getting rejected. It’s always the men getting screwed over in this world.
@@justlol7281 Well although I suspect my looks might give me that privilege if you acquire certain skills you could do the same.
I agree 100% with this. It’s assumed men will sleep with any woman whenever it’s offered and like you said if we refuse people imply you’re not man enough or gay. Being rejected is a terrible thing so I suppose I don’t mind that being said if it gives them comfort because we know what it feels like to receive rejection on the other side as well.
So glad to see you two talking. Warren's book, "The Myth of Male Power" changed my life 20 years ago. There is no MRA movement, no "manosphere", no "red pill" without it. I fact all of those movements are redundant. It's all in that book.
What do you think the main point of that book was and why did it change your life?????
@@spennny1000 That male power isn't actually ubiquitous is the main point. It changed my life in the sense that we grow up in the US with this false dichotomy between "traditional masculinity" and "radical feminism", when they both agree that you should be a puppet, they're just fighting over who gets to pull your strings. The Myth of Male Power helped me see that, and once seen it can't be unseen.
Warren is redundant
Its all redundant, and will certainly be when sexbots arrive.
@9λ I really don't know what any of this means. I'm not even sure some of the words you used mean what you think they do. It's a lot to say about a book you haven't read.
Feminism accepted in Japan more than anywhere else in the world? I just don't think that's true. Nor do I believe your unsubstantiated claim that 2/3rds of women have zero interest in having a male life partner.
As for having a "body count" in the 3 to 4 figure range. Do you mean you've had sex with a thousand people? That would work out to something like 2 new partners a week for ten years? Damn, I hope you're getting paid for that. Or maybe you're just some sort of incel killer fantasist. Who knows?
"Take a good hard look at yourself and see what you have to offer."
I can understand WHY people might not like JP, but he gives fantastic advise to (young) men and I think more people really need to put their ego/biases aside and listen to him.
Give this same advise to a woman having trouble dating and see how fast you get labeled a "misogynist"
Lol i can understand WHY some people might not like JP too.
Its because they are too WEAK to handle any kind* of responsibility or too LAZY to clean their room. You can preety much sum it all up to 2 kinds. Even before knowing JP existence pre 2016 i always knew the power of small to big responsibility be it in family work or social life. From school group assignments to college projects, to job projects. Where their is responsibility there is no place for laziness.
Nowdays snowflakss just wanna cry on twitter remove this cancel this. Only Bunch of loosers hate JP no question about. I mean can anybody hate Albert Einstein? Why will they? Why will they hate JP? Because he speaks common sense?
People don't just hate jp we hate the entire conservative idea which is moraly disgraceful in all its forms no matter how politely or intelligently it is put forward
What is the alternative? Do whatever pleases you, and blame all your faults on systemic oppressions?
I have no money but I have truth and loyalty to offer and a loving heart .HalleluYAH !
Well he’s undeniably a shame salesman whenever there is any kind of conflict of interest between men and women.
A shame salesman is when you lazily try to sell an idea with shame instead of compassion.
He does the same thing when it comes to the issue of women unable to find marriagable men after their decade of dating. It’s because men are losers duh~
I'm 55 divorced many years ago, I will no longer sacrifice my time energy and money to any woman, my inner peace has become my # 1 priority I've yet to meet a woman who does not bring drama and turmoil to a relationship
Tulpas and dolls and other non-human relationships are superior to human relationships.
@@someonesomeone25 *what*
@@bryce6985 Exactly what I said.
Drama and turmoil are part of a relationship. They are not ideal, but sometimes necessary to resolve conflict. It's different if you are speaking about a "drama queen" or someone who thrives on it, but you can't disregard someone simply because they challenge or confront you. In fact, that's often what people need from a relationship, so they can grow personally.
@@HolyMith Drama is trash.
Anouther reason men fail to launch is because of the economy
After 4 years of schooling and a bunch of debt and a housing market that’s inflated 130% it seems it could also be related to that as well
Definitely a factor. It’s massively the norm as JP points out but there’s men who don’t fall into the 4 years + debt + no job trap. Could be a slight marker of wisdom depending on how you look at it, but too niche to apply small scale.
So the high divorce rate doesn‘t conflict with female genetic procreation choice. All those single mothers chose well?? come on, they are no angels
Do the least bit of honesty, and say "most".
My brother had his ass whipped with a washing machine's pipe,
While I had zero discipline, and given sweets *in front* of my brother - at the ages of 5 and 3.
20 years later, my would-be father had a family without his own child, and no bit of motivation to talk to the young adult that had a part of the genes behind his cowardly behaviour.
I've heard enough of failed fathers, and familiar with peers with proper fathers.
Have you made friends with children of single mothers?
@@manubishe You're conjecturing about one instance as opposed to the broader literature. Be honest and and say "in this one instance..." Right?
@@zsedcftglkjh the 'broader literature' is a contested territory, where new sprouts will be at the crosshairs of the woke movements.
Heard of the kingdom with no newborns or children?
Every simp, incel, and anyone acting like them should be offered alternative paths, which they will carve for themselves.
What guys who are losers need to understand is that it isn't their fault. They were often set up for it by lacking a father in the home. Also there are lots of great resources like Dan Bacon (also on YT) to help them.
It is their fault, only when you take responsibility can you then make a change
I'm a total loser because I always lose despite maximum efforts in life. It's OK, I don't let it get me down. I'll just keep on trying, because I'm not dead.
Nothing is as commendable my friend.
Try switching up your strategy
Why do so many people not know the difference between loose and lose? It nuts.
Loose thinking!
Drives me crazy
c;mon losen up a little
Haha yeah it's super annoying. Even worse than definitely and defiantly.
@@jcmick8430 Alright alright I'll give him a brake.
I can listen to these guys all day!
With only just two minutes into the clip I feel smarter and relieved.
The O.G. Men's Rights titan, he used to be so often on Oprah, now on Peterson, I really hope that more people find his books, there are no greater red pills than his bibliography.
I cannot stand the word 'loser' in reference to a person. I physically cringe when I hear or read it. It's the word I hate most in American English, it's so judgemental and makes the person who throws it around sound very ignorant to me. Nobody says it in the UK or Ireland thankfully.
You think everyone should get a participation trophy? Fact is in every aspect of life we compare ourselves to others. Some are better than others. Whether you don't like the winner/loser words is irrelevant.
@@croissants1280 In real life you are "winning" and "loosing" all the damm time. So the definition of "looser" for a human being its incredible stupid.
I agree with you 100%, but a lot of people are fucking LOSERS.
It's not their looks or their money. It's not what they wear, how quickly their cars accelerate and/or how popular they are. It's not the quantity of "ass" that they "get."
It's their shitty attitude towards other people's effort and talents. "It's not FAAAAIIIIIR!!! You've got MONEY!" (steals and vandalizes all my hard-earned property and VERY effort-intensive hobby projects.)
Yeah, I worked at a JOB loser. "But you've got money, it's not faaaaiiiir!!!"
Two groups of people contain a disproportionately large number of losers: One of them is the nightclub scene. The other one is police forces.
losing is when you don't get back up on your feet. Plenty of people have taken risks and lost big
Women want it all and men simply want women. I think we are doomed, or at least I am doomed.
@Mike Foxtrotter XD
That's a weird generalization to make, you just can't judge someone else's feelings that confidently and accurately.
It's a simple projection on part of women "I am attracted to high status male so I will achieve high status to be attractive to them".
Unfortunately it does not work that way, because, even if status is attractive, the price of achieving it for females is counterproductive - as aged women are not attractive - and the same effect can be achieved by being attractive young, while being intelligent and ready to be a competent wife is a plus that no status can achieve as attractiveness.
Therefore winners of evolution are young, intelligent, educated, conservative women
A whole generation of left over women are now learning that harsh lesson of life
Conservative women tend to age well (self-restraint and discipline) plus are more feminine and pleasant and interesting to be around-assertive rather than aggressive-and so remain attractive. Plus, they choose men more carefully; not all men are youth-guided missiles. But you’re right that young conservative women are dating pool prizes.
@@Muting_all_advice What you say is all true, but subjective .. I have rather in mind that that kind of girls have more kids at average
@@daneprywatne3342 Yes they do-you’re right. And that’s because family is a strong traditional value.
Status and achievement are attractive but mainly to somewhat lower status men (men who are MUCH lower status tend to realize they're not in the same league and don't try). There are many men out there who are not as 'alpha' and would be perfectly happy to be the supportive partner rather than the ambitious, high-flying partner. Unfortunately society and biology tells these women that they MUST marry up, and they inevitably decide they'd rather die alone or become single mothers through IVF than settle for a male who is a peer or inferior.
@@dark7element "Status and achievement are attractive but mainly to somewhat lower status men"
Actually that looks like only your hurt ego speaking, while most of successful men marry successful women and high status, just see Hollywood stars or top politician, while you are missing a point when saying ambition = social status ... it is not so,
Marrying up occurs, but people tend to not cross lines of own social sphere too much
What I said - status for women will not replace young and fertility.
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Why aren’t there more discussions like this for young men. I mean I fell into a deep spiral into pornography. I needed help to get out of it. Thanks to my therapist and my understanding wife my goodness, how can it be said these men are evil. This is needed!
Wow, that's good to hear you got out of it. I have heard this from a woman who was a sex councilor. She just said men are doing porn online, not dating, etc.
People who feel guilt about porn tend to come from religious backgrounds. Just don't overdo it. Like anything else.
What's wrong with porn? It made relationships mostly obsolete.
Glad Jordan is back to making content
Weird to have people who have never known me describe my life to a T, all through exposure to other's experiences.
When you understand the rules of the game, it becomes far less intimidating.
Like your first time in court when you don't understand what the hell is going on.
Competing is boring, endless competition is tiring
You are boring
I would rather follow the advice of Jiddu Krishnamurti: "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Robin Williams has more wisdom in his words: "I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." “Don’t associate yourself with toxic people. It’s better to be alone and love yourself than surrounded by people that make you hate yourself.” It is better to be alone than to be in a bad relationship. Marriage is all about solving problems that you did not have before you got married. One invests in others what one fails to invest in oneself. What's only 3 inches long but never stops pleasuring a modern woman? A credit card.
Old saying: Many men who can’t get a girl end up hating them
@@MrEasyaloha You need sound empirical evidence for this simplistic statement, - replicated and validated by peer reviews. .
@@MrEasyaloha "Old saying: Many men who can’t get a girl end up hating them" - So my primary motivation and ambition in life should be to "get a girl"? Why? Have you ever considered the possibility that I do not want one? Now some, like you, would label me simply as a misogynist, someone who truly doesn’t take the time or effort to understand women and their needs. I like how today society points out that single men are “lonely” and “losers” but single women are “empowered”. I'm definitely not lonely, single maybe, but not lonely. Neither does that equate to me hating them. I'm simply hanging the “Do Not Disturb” sign outside. I'm just not a fool, nor will be fooled. Why make myself into a human ATM machine or a pet wallet? Why take the chance to contract an STD in today's "liberated" society? Why advertise my net worth? Why put that price tag around my neck? Why take the chance of having a judge/court divest me of half of everything if she unilaterally decides it's the right move for the both of us? I value my freedom. Peterson's guilt trip doesn't work with me. If you feel a need to attribute motive to my statement, then you don't understand how today society erroneously points out that single men are “lonely” and “losers”. Peterson obviously doesn't understand this point. Do you? (Serious question, not being smart) I suggest you think about what I've said instead of hastily replying. Maybe it’s more accurate to say that it’s many women who don’t understand true men, not men in some theoretical / doctrinal fashion.
@Elliot My point exactly. Just a side note: Peterson has that "plantation" mentality
Take advice from a suicidal coward who left his children behind on how to be happy.
One of my friends is 40, lives with his parents, has been unemployed for most of the time that I've known him, and has a really hard time picking up women, he's gotten around these setbacks by going to the Dominica Republic, a US passport and the language barrier have gotten him laid by women who wouldn't give him the time of day in the US
How and why are you friends with this person?
How have you remained friends with him while you have progressed through the various phases of adulthood?
Why have you done so?
I’m so curious, I’d love to hear the answers.
@@MalikEmmanuel Well we've been friends for about 20 years now, and besides his failure to launch he's actually a fairly intelligent and nice dude, it's painful to watch him waste his abilities (he's a pretty talented writer), but i'm not just going to jettison him because he's a "loser"
@@MalikEmmanuel if you would end a friendship because they're not successful enough for you you're doing them a favour by exposing they had a fake friend all along
@@nonono9194 🤝🏾
You mean he pays for sex, this is not a good thing
"Just get promoted enough times bro and women will eventually find you attractive..." - Dr Jordan Peterson
dude just make $150,000 a year a 24 years old women will be all over you
@@gibememoni And if they're not; it just means that $150K wasn't enough - time to go for that $200K job see if that makes them wet.
Thats not what he said....
Youre all so lacking in social skills thats most likely all it is
@@williamschlass4598 Again, garbage. The idea that every man who has trouble finding a partner is an autist incapable of talking to people is a meme.
I think it's not being rejected that is bad, it's that there are always people around in public spaces, where you would meet the girls. Especially hitting on girls at the gym, it's awkward because there is a social dynamic, and a lot of the girls tend to know each other so if you hit on one she better be the one you want because they're all gonna know.
I've always wondered about men like Issac Newton. He discovered math formulas we still use hundreds of years after his death. He lived in a time of no birth control, I don't consider him a loser, yet no woman viewed him as a man worthy of love and baby making. Its one of the most perplexing outcomes I've ever encountered.
Theory and discussion are great, but the real world and empirical outcomes are always the final authority.
I think Newton himself said he was glad he never wasted time on women ... as he died of mercury poisoning.
A lot of scientists probably have "disorders" like aspergers, schizoid or avoidant so they focus on science instead of people/women ... and then logically get good at science.
I don't think he would have a problem marrying if he wished to. He was part of the aristocracy so his position alone would make that very easy. More likely he was homosexual or wasn't motivated much by sex at all. By many accounts he was a little unhinged too for much of his life due to messing around with mercury, which might have been a factor.
We outsourced the future of civilisation to female sexual preferences , weak
One of his friends told him to get laid whether a man or woman
@@GetCaught Female sexual preference and kids raised by women have led to the world we live in.
As I’ve gotten older I’ve recognized I’m in the camp of “beneath contempt”.
Still wanna be a dad though. I have some 6 million in a trust fund from half of my family dying. Surrogate mothers, adoption, and retirement are my options 🤷🏽♂️.
You must have some crazy high standards if you can't draw a woman you like, given that size of an estate.
Adopt as soon as you can - don't dither as it's better and easier to be a father when you are younger than older.
Why do you say that? ("beneath contempt"). I don't get it.
@@joejones9497 Referencing what JBP said about "being outside the dating pool"
If it was on a scale I would be closer to the "outside the dating pool" side. I'm blind to why this is precisely. Behaviors, personality, status, aesthetics. Something is deemed insufficient.
@@allenhooper8532 Your genetics are not worth a million bucks. A million bucks cant change that.
I am 28, I think they are correct talking about me. Damn. Oh well, life!
Patrice o neal was someone who has made it very clear.
If you win, you need not have to explain. If you lose, you should not be there to explain.
I would interested in hearing their opinions on what is going to happen to women with the shortage of acceptable men. This might explain why there are so many women teachers preying on boys at school.
The women will adjust in many ways
As long as society can provide them their basic needs
(food, power, home, income) women have no need for an average man and will chose these
1. Bisexual
2. Jaded and being alone
3. Pets
4. Unknowingly part of a harem (situationship)
5. Knowingly part of a harem
Women arent that interested in men as long as their base needs are met and would rather have a pet, be alone, be in a situationship with a higher value men, be in a harem, or seek women than be with a man they arent attracted to and dont need
If you’re struggling to find confidence to go out and talk to women, just listen to these stats they’re talking about. Your competition isn’t very high out there.
Competition is irrelevant. Most women desire a highly attractive mate, who is also masculine, independant, confident, and reasonably wealthy. If you don't have those you won't be desired. Simple.
@joceja23 Indeed. Only a small minority of men are truly desired by women. Most get settled upon as being either the best a woman can get (because the woman is also unattractive) or as a provider for her and her kids.
Personally, I think it better for those undesirable men to just opt out of the game.
@@someonesomeone25 you probably havent even tried. Youre basing this "knowledge" off of something you heard on youtube. Worthles
@@williamschlass4598 Given how little you know of me and my life, that is a very bold assumption to presume a) that I haven't even tried talking to women, and b) my beliefs are drawn largely, or entirely, from youtube videos rather than, say, my own observations and lived experience.
Do you have a justification for your assumptions?
@@someonesomeone25 So I'm right. Thanks.
both of these highly academic men have said things Iv'e said all along and I bearly graduated high school. This means not that I am smart, but that their understandings are readily available to all. At 63, I am the last of the baby boomers and the first of the failed to launch.
No marriage no providing or taking care of women. They are on their own.
1:39 Dr. Farrell is not right on this point. Men are not afraid of being rejected... Dealing with a woman like that is aggravating and annoying.. They are insatiable... Making them happy is like counting to infinity no matter how high up you go you will never be done... No intelligent person would take on that type of unfilling task...
Edit: 13:48 Dr. Peterson talks exactly about that kind of woman who is incapable of being satisfied. No one is good enough, or "on their level".
men are absolutely terrified of rejection
I can say that I am and if you look around in public you'll see a lot of young males looking down in the presence of an attractive woman
Notice I said men the same way Dr Farrell said men and not young males. There is a difference.
Of course men are afraid of rejection. It is the most self-consciousness-inducing thing for a man to do, and thinking about yourself is psychologically the same as being miserable. If you think all women are incapable of being satisfied, that conveniently exempts all men, including yourself, of the task of trying to be good enough to keep a woman satisfied. It takes you changing beyond what is initially comfortable to achieve that, and it takes a humbling acceptance of inadequacy at the beginning
guys, just one message for you. First, learn to live alone , then date someone, put your best foot forward you can to keep her happy (emotional not materialistic happiness) but dont accept dis-respectful/toxic/ over the top childishly irresponsible behavior at any cost.
Make sure she knows that YOU have the authority to decide when things end. Only then woman make sure to take care of your emotional wellbeing. Sad but true.
Women like men with power to take decisions, be it in office, the place of vacation and even the relationship.
Dont be bossy, take her opinion, let her explain it to you she wants/ expects but in the end YOU have to take the call.
Dont be afraid of taking wrong decisions, be afraid of NOT taking decisions. Be with a woman because you want to be with her, not because you're afraid to be alone.
Why waste life trying to please a robot?
The plot thickens when you live in a country where practically everybody is a loser, i.e. failed states.
That is basically already the USA. The only people who are doing well now are worthless people like bankers, politicians, and lawyers, as well as a very small number of skilled professionals like engineers and doctors.
Same thing. The men who lead roving bands of pirates, rebels, thieves and mercenaries get the attention. It's always about capability.
@@brendangolledge8312 100%. If you're not specialized, you're a losah. And boomah's have all of the wealth
@@li6706 Boomers don't have all the wealth. They're old, they don't have much time left and time is wealth. The very few boomers that made real money in their lives are time-poor.
There's one matter that always makes me feel suspicious when i listen these gurus of masculinity like peterson, farrell or tomassi. All of them are of a totally diferent generation. All of them have a quiet good life. And SPECIALLY all of them have a good partner on his side. A woman which they can experienced the "best" of that any men can experienced with a woman. They get it. All these ideas of be the best person you can are easy to say. But when you're alone and you don't know nothing but rejection (or very few sexual expierences with girls that don't really like you mentally and phisically) and the years pass and step by step you re abandon yourself phisically and mentally. It is really dificult.
But, unfortunately, they re right in most/all the things they say.
Yes. These men can preach masculinity and conservatism like all critics of "cultural degeneration" have always done. They desire a return to the old society they benefited from. But social change doesn't come from wishful thinking and preaching. The family structures dissolve even without the left academia and the neoliberal politics. It's the economy, stupid! Almost No young man can hold a position in the same company for more than ten years now. It's almost impossible for most people. You have to change jobs, cities, countries and even friends and family in order to get along with the globalized market. Telling a young man to find a girl next door to marry and stick with her for 60 years has nothing to do with reality for most men. Divorce is almost certain. Job change, drama and hypergamy will ensure it. Young men cannot live up to the old idea of being a provider for a woman and one's children anymore. The nature of contemporary (Western) society prevents it.
Honestly, I think they don't much about what they're talking about. I reckon a 25 year old incel has a better grasp of dating reality than many 50+ high status married dudes. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The best advice is not to play the game.
Just stop being weak, that easy. I’m from a third world country and the values are the same. the problem with you younger generation, basically your a woman, what they want you to be.
@@ladyville3 james smith and you came from a 3th world country? And you can came from there and still be rich.
I m not agree and comfortably with phrases like 'you re what a woman want" etc. I'm not misogyn or misandric. I don t like feminist because they forget the male problems. But womans are lost too. We re all losing in this society. Just we lose on diferent periods of our lifes
If something doesn´t work, change it. Sitting around whining has never changed anything for the better. You can be miserable for years in that state or slowly drag yourself up. Once you´re up you don´t even remember the bad stuff.
Can you take a degree In Jordan Petersonism?
Yes
Lolz his impact on the culture has indeed been phenomenal . And that, despite the pathetic smear campaigns of his ideological enemies and the unfortunate hiatus of his ill health . He has prevailed in , reinvigorating the sacred in the everyday life of millions , made the case that meaning is to be found in responsibility to self and others , propagated the absolute necessity of an uncluttered mind and encouraged a culture of resilient individuality , to name a few of his valuable insights . The most accessible and significant psychologist of his generation , bar none .
@Michael Cueva good for you . Loving and secure older men who truly want the best for young ones are a rarity in this age of moral desolation . With your fortuitous encountering of a figure like Jordan on the threshold of your own turbo launch into the world of the mind , personally all I see is potential greatness for you . Best of luck in all your endeavours going forward .
@Michael Cueva Jordan Peterson is not a philosopher. His debate with David Benatar proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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We must break our false images, by which we hold the world accountable to. The reality differs significantly from the lie. Remember this when acting, for you never know when a subtle lie works its way into your life. Break free, and dwell in the light of truth.
we live in a fractured but whole society.
Thank you. After years of experience and listening to your vids, I have become immune to female rejection. A freedom that renders me a true leader in life. :D
Btw: do you know what women want?..
Answer: "More." Lol
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You know women arecjustvas afraid of rejection, despite what You guys think it is not easy for us either.
Btw: do you know what men want ?
Answer: soulless casual sex
@@haselbasil2488 I'm not sure most men just want soulless casual sex. I think men want both, paradoxically, they desire to make love to a woman that loves them and they love, but also have lots and lots of casual sex with hundreds of different people. I suspect women want the same. I guess thats a human thing.
Both men and women always want more. Everyone does. No one is ever fully satisfied in life.
So women are never satisfied? What is the point then?
Jesus, Jordan stop interrupting people mid thought.
Facts
This is eye opening. Thanks!
What’s crazy is this is happening to normal and high achieving men as well. A significant number are virgins and the average span of time for new sexual encounters is in the 1-2 years territory. That’s for the minority who have sex but not necessarily the ~15ish% who dominate the market.
I suggest opting out the game. Tulpas, dolls, bots, VR, toys, hookers, ASMR, lucid dreams, pron ... Seriously, who needs relationships?
@@someonesomeone25 haha my shadow side wishes there were extremely real waifu robots.
@@mrhanky5851 Me too. But what there already is is already superior.
Please take back what you said about Tinder.
In Tinder you get punished by being ugly and I'm not sure what is worse.
Being rejected or being ignored.
Women date losers all the time. Look around.
Nobody with any exposure to the world outside their basements would think that women never date losers.
There's a lot going on here, and it's not nearly as simple as this story.
Childhood trauma, multigenerational abuse, etc. seems to play a huge role in mate selection. In the real world, the majority of matter selection doesn't look like the biological theory predicts. Mate selection is really twisted in our world, for many (certainly not all) people.
To women, a wealthy highly educated engineer who lacks virility is more of a loser than a broke, but masculine chad.
Most insightful comment I've read so far. Makes you very attractive to me, if I were interested in a relationship. But alas, childhood trauma and all, I'm not.
Losers can date only if they are lucky. Also, saying that some losers can date is very poor advice if you are single, because getting rejected by too many women is bad for your mental health and it is better to work on improving oneself to be in a better negotiating position.
@@robdog114 💯 but if the engineer goes to the gym and works out and wears good clothes, then he will always beat the low value male.
@@LM-hb6yn People like you need to just leave everyone alone.
All you can offer people is pain.
“I am attracted to you, but I don’t want to commit to you because of my trauma.”
It’s disgusting. I’ve met many like you, and you all leave a trail of misery, anger, and resentment in your wake. Just do the world a favour, and stop trying to relate to people if you’re fundamentally incapable of doing so.
Being called a loser is an identification tag. If you think you are a loser, then own the term. If you own it, it loses it's meaning for you.
the only way to win is not to play
No, it is the only way to avoid winning or losing. It is only worth playing when it is rewarding to win, which is only possible when you risk losing
@@TheJthom9 A game that is tilted so heavily in favor of a select few is only rewarding for those select few. The outcome is guaranteed before the game even begins.
To be specific the documentary is produced by David Lynch and called "Crumb" (1994). Not the BBC Arena Documentary which are usually great, but not the one on R. Crumb..
"... that all changed when I got famous."
NO, not rejection, rejection a man gets all the time, that's why men try with hundreds of women, because they expect to be rejected by most of them. The fear is to have to deal with impossible expectations that bring intolerable levels of pressure. More successful women will have higher expectations, which in turn will lead to higher pressure to perform on the male part. A woman generally thinks the man should be performing better than she is under any circumstance, and if he doesn't she will start pushing him to "man up", effectively bullying him, making his life hell.
This is what men do not want, it has nothing to do with rejection.
I agree with much of what you say but there is, surely, a fundamental subconscious fear among, particularly younger, men of rejection by ALL women. A primitive fear that they will not reproduce, that their genes will wither and die with them.
I believe that that is what is being alluded to here, the instinctive emotions rather than the intellectual
I believe that men try with hundreds of women because they still hope they can get a partner. No one wants to be alone. Yes they still expect to be rejected by the majority because that's reality. Every woman wants a competent, able man. And the most beautiful and successful women want highly competent and able men. It's a harsh "game", but it is what it is.
Lmfao how many men do you think actually *try* let alone actually *try* with hundreds of women. Lets start there. Are you out of your mind?!
@@williamschlass4598 I think 99% of men try with most women. Obviously not every minute but most women sure, evening, weekend, parties, social occasions.. unless, of course, you are in a particularly close, puritan or remote environment or you are a particularly asocial person.
Have you ever taken summer holidays, winter holidays? In some places you have a girls each week or even more.
I guess you have lived in some remote deserted place :)
@@williamschlass4598 You're right. I made a blunder. Extremely few men try with hundreds of women and most of us try maybe with less then 10.
2 things I disagree with. A woman being financially successful doesn't make me more attracted to her. I prefer the average woman. Lastly I'm not afraid of rejection, I don't like be humiliated, insulted, and treated like a creeper just for speaking to a woman I don't know.
Is it that hard to be a “winner”? Be decisive be industrious be perpetually curious good natured and don’t give a fuck and do what you need to do to be happy. Attracting people is you walking around with a shit eating grin with a secret. That secret is simple. “I have impressed MYSELF” today. It exudes competence which leads to confidence that you know you just improved yourself.
You know what it looks like when someone’s feeling themselves. Don’t you want to find out why?
Is it that hard to lift weights?
Just move your arms upwards!
Simple concept, but the execution is not so simple.
Why would you need to attract a girl when you're obviously already so in love with yourself ?
6:48 ...okay when I heard "bird headed women" I literally bounced off the walls laughing
Especially coming from a straight-faced Dr Peterson…
It seems like Peterson values wealth and power over anything else. Hes so quick to call those that are below him losers. I have known very terrible men that have money. I basically had a soulless materialistic stepfather who treated me like garbage. Was he a winner ? I mean he was much further up the dominance hierarchy than me so that can only mean im a loser. Right ?
Dr peterson is full of himself and his fame and great wealth has went to his head. I dont care if women view me as a winner. This is my life and im going to live it how i damn well please.
Mr Peterson is sure not the Omniscient intellectual he thinks is....
If part of the fear men have about female rejection is that their genetic material doesn't make it to the next generation, then men like myself who have no interest in their genetic material making it to the next generation have no reason to fear female rejection during dating. Indeed, you could argue that the optimal solution for men like myself who have no desire to have kids of their own is to date women in their 40s and 50s because most women in their 20s and 30s will want children, whereas most women in their 40s will probably have no desire to have kids and women in their 50s will lose the ability to have kids.
Poverty.
Debt.
Diabetes.
Even possible homelessness.
Obesity.
No children.
No husband.
No friends.
No family of my own.
I'm all alone.
Have been my whole life.
Never been in a real relationship.
Never had a real friend.
When I sought help,
through various professional therapists,
they were abusive cunts, too.
All I do is navigate my way through the world...
Doing my best, moment-to-moment,
to endure the least amount of suffering as possible...
And I keep doing that every day, just waiting to die.
There's no joy, no hope, no happiness in my life.
It's just pain and trauma and survival and misery.
It's been like this, all 45 years of my life, so far.
My heart is shattered. My soul is raped.
I cannot endure this hell anymore.
Rage and grief consume every cell of my being.
Yea, feel the same.
I'm just 30y old with daughter's,with some friends and had a lot of relationships, had a great family aswell but it aint the same anymore, woman cause so much drama and TheRapists just hook you for money and thrive of human misery....
Aint it fun to create slaves, abuse them and profit some money from their trauma, what a world we live in....
Don’t tell people your problems.
I watched Crumb just to listen to JP talk about it, so that I can better understand more of his lectures
If I had the choice between two women, one financially successful and the other financially unsuccessful, I'm choosing the unsuccessful one. Why do I want myself amd my children to not be the primary focus of my wife?
@@anishadav6887 typing it in caps doesn't make it true. The sex part is an over-simplification. The measure of a good partner is not solely in money. Personality, character, values. One can have 2 very hard-working, high-income parents having children who had a neglected childhood and hence stunted development in their personalities. Parents who made their careers the sole purpose of their lives and left their kids to nannies, daycares, and other things to fill the holes in their hearts that were supposed to be filled by parents. Marriage and parenting is about team work. Both parents wanting to be strikers or both of them wanting to be goal-keepers doesn't necessarily make an effective team. I think a diversity in the types of women, and men is healthy for the society. It helps people who share similar values and priorities in life to pair-up. Some guys would admire a financially successful woman, some would admire a different one. Similarly some women would be content with a guy who over-works, earns a lot, and is pretty much an absent father but provides enough for a luxurious life-style. Another woman would prefer more time with her partner than trade their time together for more money. All humans are different and unique and can't be generalised with simplistic models.
@@28FlyingDutchman You just want to prey on children. See? I can throw out baseless accusations as well.
I would like to see Jordan Peterson's opinion about the Chris-Chan documentary.
He should look into the philosophy of Patrice O'neal
Yup
JP would not have liked PO at all, he is not a women hater the way PO was and actually likes women. If you listen to more of his lectures you would see he mainly says the opposite kind of things PO use to say. He was a horrible person.
@@haselbasil2488 Patrice O’neal isn’t a woman hater. He just knows what makes them tick and has a philosophy on it. Nothing wrong with that.
@@basicboomer519 realy, here is one thing he has said about women "ALL women are deceitful by nature", imagine if I said that about men.
And as for advice on women he has said men should pimp women's minds and train them, you know like you train a dog.
Anytime you make negative generalizations about either sex you have a problem.
@@haselbasil2488 why is chaos feminine?
Robert Crumb, BTW, is still alive and will turn 78 on August 30, 2021. He has fathered two children and has a grandson.
Many coincidences here.
I was born August 26, 1973 in NJ. And I drew female body builders as a teen.
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 Do you still do?
Im so honest
I feel so lost with women
50% of every relationships and marriages get broken in Western culture
I was determined to be a loser since birth
I dont even know what to do with women because they dont want so much from me
They even have 1000 of men who are approaching them trough instagram or tinder and onlyfans its unbelievable
Life is brutal
Its so easy for some people and for some people there is not much left to live and be grateful for
Oh man, you guys have to figure something out.
Do NOT give in.
You have to grab life, not give in to despair.
Find the right woman, treat her right, commit, and have a family.
If it's harder for you, then so be it.
I know some men feel Asian women are more open to being with them.
Don't die alone, and miserable.
AGAIN, that statistic is WRONG.
@@serpentines6356 You can't find someone who sees you as disposable. Men aren't rare enough from women's perspective. Women need to be forced to rely on men to feel any inclination of respect for men. Unfortunately.
Quit your suicidal thoughts and live your life, you want a woman, be yourself, you must first know yourself and you should improve yourself. The woman you desire is probably not going to desire you, but when you are yourself, you'll find the one who will love you, and you may get lucky, she might be better or more beautiful than the one you desired. Be true and life will reward you
Nahh fam... you're not a loser.... game was rigged from the start
Feminism has delivered us a broken world. Thanks to them, I no longer have a family - I have relatives.
Cry us a river 🎻
It’s not just ‘losers’ who are into pornography. It’s a nice theory but inaccurate.
Yeah but they are way more likely to get into it. Even if you don't look like a loser, let's say you're attractive, intelligent and rich but you lack confidence and have fear of rejection because some insecurity you are also likely to watch porn. But even confident, successful men are addicted. Look at Terry Crews
The great thing about SMEs is it allows for men not to compete within the same organisation, they can become the leader of their own business and that will satisfy them, the alternative is the misery of snakes and ladders politics within a corporate structure and the effect of that will be to produce horrible people
Modern men are completely lost....and we’ve got no one to blame but ourselves
What blame has a child of the choice of his failed parents?
@@Macheako child, and person, are two different things.
I'm not so sure about the benefit of the doubt you give here.
Am I talking to a person that doesn't project his own issues?
Because blaming all men, about a complete loss, while claiming that all of men's behaviours are completely clear to them, sound like dealing with absolutes, my dear Sith.
Blame pornography
@@kevindimauro3937 porn makes me feel gross watching it....still do after 7 years 😂😂😂
But I don’t know if porn was as big a factor here as men simply “giving up” on masculinity.
Sure keep blaming men
Tinder isn't affordable unless you're well off.
Benetifs for women: money, love of the job, and the job brings influence!
power
Still a shallow pursuit if what you really want is love and connection.
Control.
Dominance in the female hierarchy.
@@hgzmatt women who work also have boyfriends. A husband isn’t the only type of relationship you can have.
Also ability to meet other successful men. How do you meet men at all if you just spend all your time with women?
Also Peterson was corrected when he claimed success gives women no attraction. It does. It’s just men’s fear of rejection.
Love Dr. Petersen. Great talk. But I agree with Rollo Tomassi's criticism that he focuses so much on becoming responsible and getting a job and not enough on a man's looks, lifestyle, and social gravitas. I.e. is he alpha
Looks, as all men know, are 95% of attracting a woman.. For some reason (too fatalistic?), Peterson cannot accept that truth.
I rather think the fear of rejection is more common in a "successful" male rather than a "loser", It's probably why "successful" male tends to conform and become white knights or entirely shut up, because a successful male has everything to lose. A "loser" has nothing he needs to cling on, so he can be free to say exactly what he thinks, after all he is already considered a loser.
a "successful" male will very unlikely disagree with his wife, because he will never risk his wife disapproval. A "successful" male is a domesticated male. Incidentally, one that is perfect for exploitation by the state.
Basically a betabuxx.
The sexually powerful male is the handsome chad .
Nah the fear of rejection is more common in guys who never approach women and ask them out, the more you do it the less fearful you become, same can be said with relationships and agreeing to always please your girl, that can avoid headaches but you lose some of your own autonomy and her respect for you will subconsciously drop
@@nonono9194 that's identical for women, and it's related to inexperience and self confidence rather than innate fear
The trouble with this conversation..
Being a ‘loser’ is primarily a state of mind, not a state of being - which makes this discussion about men reductive.
Even successful men are the loser among their *more* successful counterparts… So.
I don't even have a fear of rejection in the long-term because of her hypergamy it's just going to be an issue investing resources into an emotional being that thanks as she's aging she's going to be able to do better because of her social economic status. When a woman increases her socioeconomic status the pickings get slimmer
Love how passionately Farrell is talking about himself. Lol
9:01 the guy drew porn
9:20 and even further down the fe.ale dominance hierarchy in terms of men
10:01 brother committed suicide after living in his mother's basement for his entire life
10:55 what kind of empathy do we have for the men that aren't making it?! Nothing
11:30 are you as educated as you could be, working, and purposing to be attractive
13:01 great rundown to re-review
I love being single, but only after I fell chronically ill and realized relationships with women are a complete waste of time if you aren't capable of being a provider.
Peterson has no grounding in reality. No concept of how the court system is skewed in the woman's favor; no concept of how merely living with a woman for a mere 6 months is considered common law marriage and automatically entitles them to half. "Where have all the good men gone?" Not to your "advice" Peterson
Yea bra, peterson has noooo grounding in reality. Good observation.
@Mr.T A truly stunning and insightful argument. How did you ever manage to put together that sentence?
Your bitterness exudes through your ignorant comment.
Peterson has done nothing but find pragmatic practical grounded approaches to tackle life as best you can as a clinical psychologist and professor. If you can’t see that it is you who lives not in reality.
All women aren’t the same either and are just chomping at the bit to throw their man to the skewed court systems, even if it is skewed, life has skew to it, who told you it was all fair?
There are also plenty of exceptions to your “rule” about the court system and plenty of times where the mother of children for instance is deemed unfit for custody and they give a father in a divorce ability to have custody.
Live a little longer with a little more open of a mind and you’ll see that the world tilts unfairness in all directions for all people in different ways.
The only way forward is to make yourself stronger in the face of that. Physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, do not wait on the world to get more fairer.
He is a betabuxx.
@@elijahrector2168 No, the point is that ANY woman CAN use the gynocentric courts to take advantage of a man (not that any particular woman WILL). In this context, women have such an advantage and the 'exception to the rule' doesn't invalidate a conscious man's rightful concern about the position that he allows himself to enter into.
My sister in the 70s maybe in the late 60s used to read those comments I remember seeing him with the kid
It's nice to hear intelligent men talking about these things instead of the usual feminist analysis.
Still seems I clean up others mess more than my own...
I genuinely believe in the frog that turned into the prince once you kissed him. Story of my marriage.
No offense, 🤔 but you're not a princess either 😁....
@@tenzinryanlee9782 i know. I'm a queen.
That ending was interesting I wish it didn’t cut off
"If you can "have her" at the first date - move on." "If she will let you "do it" without a "rain coat" without you being married - move on".
'There's a male loser..' - is this true? ❤
What do you mean?
We clearly are being watched. This is absurdly 101
Maybe the "loser" guys (I don't think they're losers) should pool their resources and live together. After WW1, when England lost much of a generation of young men, their female peers did that, since their marriage prospects went away.
Beyond brilliant!
Lmao there could be 101028373 different reasons for a woman rejecting someone but Peterson has to state that is always about “biology”, even though human sex rarely leads to pregnancy. How is that helpful for a patient who’s already probably depressed.
Human sex always leads to pregnancy...
What if you win it all by LOOSING?
Whoever makes the thumbnail photos needs a dictionary.
Why?
As a parapsychology student under Dr. Rhine why are these people so uninformed? Clearly we know so much more yet influence nothing. I’m ashamed
This is all such bs; I got the most tail ever in my life when I was an unemployed, drunk, nearly homeless bum.
The real question is: did they see you just as a temporal way to satisfy their sexual urges or as a long time relantionship partner? (If you're no longer with them I'd just asume the first option)
I don't know if it's bs, but I can share the same experience.
You are NOT the majority. Most women wouldn’t bat an eye at a man in that position
Married, divorced, single parent. Been there, done that, not going back.
I don’t know why men and women still complain about being rejected sexually and in dating. Women are more successful in finding relationships when they are young, pretty, feminine, and smile a lot, whereas men are more successful when they have money, status, power, and are masculine. It’s the way that it is and it’s never going to change. I was an ugly fat woman who rarely got attention, and it was no surprise men started liking me more when I lost weight, started wearing makeup, and dressing better. I never understood why it hurt men so much to be rejected - if you become successful and gain status, it won’t be hard for you. Women do not care about looks as much as men do. We are different.
Then why middle aged men have high suicide rates?
Yeah just "gain status".. easy right.. only takes you decades and you have limited control over it. Spend a big portion of your life completely alone. I'd rather lose weight.. it's straightforward and doable.
Most women care a lot about looks; who are you kidding?
Particularly when using social media and swiping left or right. Looks are the first hurdle.
Women definitely care about looks too
@@hgzmatt Another example of women staring at the finish line only.
My fear with women is what happens after I reject them.
Looser? Just how loose is this guy?
Looser than what? I need some way to quantify this problem so I can know how bad it is! I propose a standardized scale of looseness, with the unit being the Jolie
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