I worked in the anthropology archive department at Oregon State University as an assistant to the person trying to connect artifacts with tribes and one of the biggest problems is determining which tribe the artifacts may actually belong to and finding current tribes that they belong to. Being Native myself, I did find it rather disturbing they had them in the first place. About 80% of their collection came from one private collector from many areas of the West.
I wonder how well these artifacts will be (have been) preserved outside of a museum with a skilled curator, perservation staff and an adequate budget I hope that money has been and will be allocated for the items' preservation as well as display. (These like all artifacts are fragile -- as you know)
@@here_we_go_again2571 I doubt it. I know the bones just get reburied to disintegrate in the dirt. The other items probably just get put on a shelf, if not buried too.
Emma Sansaver's dress was preserved by family, and given by trust to the University of Montana for education, preservation, and to document part of the history of what her life was like and how she lived during that time period. I never got to met my Great-Grandmother, but I do have some of her writings and pictures. She was a wonderful person, and a source of personal inspiration to me. Her dress is not a source a dispute with any Tribal Nation or organization; it was willingly offered and cherished by family and those who get to see it. If you search for Emma Sansaver, you will find all kinds of articles, book and stories written about her, her life, and the World Championship basketball team she was a part of while attending Fort Shaw Indian School.
Whats Amazing is that Local history in New Orleans the world's fair was one of the Occasions that Inspired the Mardi Gras Costume, over 100 years latter the Beadding is part of our living culture, Thank You.
As long as indigenous peoples build their own museums or get help to build them, then I am with this idea. Other than that, leave history in the museums.
Then everything that represents a culture needs to be returned? EVERYTHING? Then museums will be vacant? Most of the items were donated, not stolen. Whiners....
The dress was DONATED, so no one should have a problem with it being there. I understand, to an extent, that American Indians don't just want to be a curiosity, like the Amish. BUT, many of the things, at least bones, are simply reburied in the ground to disintegrate. They can no longer be available to learn from. Maybe long ago, Indian artifacts were used at times in a disrespectful manner, but I've been to many museums and seen many photos of artifacts at other museums, and they're always exhibited with information about them and to teach people. If everything gets locked away or buried, that further hinders people, Indian AND nonIndian, from being able to learn as much about the cultures. All you're left with are photos in a book instead of having the actual pottery, etc. I follow a historian on Twitter who has studied Indian mounds for decades, and he's posted a lot of photos of amazing pottery so far advanced than we normally see as examples of N. American Indian pottery. These are very detailed and sophisticated, but he's said that many of them are no longer in the museums they were once in. They were all given to tribes and so no one can look at them anymore. And many of these are items that are thousands of years old. It's not like there are any living family members of the person who made them who has some personal attachment to the items. They're no different than going to a museum in Europe and looking at medieval or ancient Roman/Greek items.
Amen! The same thing has been said about many of the items taken hundreds of years ago from Greece. Those ancient marble busts, statues, columns, etc. would most likely be rubble or dust now if they hadn't been put in a British museum and protected instead of left in Greece with all their wars all the time.
@@sierravista9013 Except my theft of graham crackers from a fellow kindergartner wasn’t sanctioned by the US government in the 19th century. Looting has been a legitimate means of war profiteering until The Hague convention. Everything stolen before that point is legal ownership. There is no legal basis for anyone to return artifacts unless it was stolen after the year 1970 as dictated by the UNESCO protection of cultural heritage passed in response to the looting during the Khmer rouge in Cambodia. And only museums are required to return artifacts if they receive federal funding under NAGPRA passed in 1999 under the bush administration
thank you for reporting on this important issue.
I worked in the anthropology archive department at Oregon State University as an assistant to the person trying to connect artifacts with tribes and one of the biggest problems is determining which tribe the artifacts may actually belong to and finding current tribes that they belong to. Being Native myself, I did find it rather disturbing they had them in the first place. About 80% of their collection came from one private collector from many areas of the West.
I wonder how well these
artifacts will be (have been)
preserved outside of a
museum with a skilled
curator, perservation
staff and an adequate
budget
I hope that money
has been and will be
allocated for the items'
preservation as well as
display.
(These like all artifacts are
fragile -- as you know)
@@here_we_go_again2571 I doubt it. I know the bones just get reburied to disintegrate in the dirt. The other items probably just get put on a shelf, if not buried too.
Maybe You should thank this
colector. That value off this artifacts.
And did not think they we're trash.
Emma Sansaver's dress was preserved by family, and given by trust to the University of Montana for education, preservation, and to document part of the history of what her life was like and how she lived during that time period. I never got to met my Great-Grandmother, but I do have some of her writings and pictures. She was a wonderful person, and a source of personal inspiration to me. Her dress is not a source a dispute with any Tribal Nation or organization; it was willingly offered and cherished by family and those who get to see it. If you search for Emma Sansaver, you will find all kinds of articles, book and stories written about her, her life, and the World Championship basketball team she was a part of while attending Fort Shaw Indian School.
Thanks for doing this segment in June and not November 🙏
Whats Amazing is that Local history in New Orleans the world's fair was one of the Occasions that Inspired the Mardi Gras Costume, over 100 years latter the Beadding is part of our living culture, Thank You.
First they need to tell the truth about the indigenous people.
Beautiful I hope she can get this beautiful dress back I’ve lost my voice as well as many others I pray we get them back
History to teach us All.
❤
As long as indigenous peoples build their own museums or get help to build them, then I am with this idea.
Other than that, leave history in the museums.
Will the Smithsonian now cough up the giant bones still residing under lock and key?
Then everything that represents a culture needs to be returned? EVERYTHING? Then museums will be vacant? Most of the items were donated, not stolen. Whiners....
Give it back. Having museums on native land, would increase education and tourism to Native American spaces today. They are definitely owed this.
It's the mind frame of keeping something that was conquered.
The dress was DONATED, so no one should have a problem with it being there. I understand, to an extent, that American Indians don't just want to be a curiosity, like the Amish. BUT, many of the things, at least bones, are simply reburied in the ground to disintegrate. They can no longer be available to learn from. Maybe long ago, Indian artifacts were used at times in a disrespectful manner, but I've been to many museums and seen many photos of artifacts at other museums, and they're always exhibited with information about them and to teach people. If everything gets locked away or buried, that further hinders people, Indian AND nonIndian, from being able to learn as much about the cultures. All you're left with are photos in a book instead of having the actual pottery, etc. I follow a historian on Twitter who has studied Indian mounds for decades, and he's posted a lot of photos of amazing pottery so far advanced than we normally see as examples of N. American Indian pottery. These are very detailed and sophisticated, but he's said that many of them are no longer in the museums they were once in. They were all given to tribes and so no one can look at them anymore. And many of these are items that are thousands of years old. It's not like there are any living family members of the person who made them who has some personal attachment to the items. They're no different than going to a museum in Europe and looking at medieval or ancient Roman/Greek items.
Stone age people. Weird how people living in the modern age still think that's a cool way of life.
The only reason these exist is because cultivators preserved them. Tribes would have sold them off or neglected them
Amen! The same thing has been said about many of the items taken hundreds of years ago from Greece. Those ancient marble busts, statues, columns, etc. would most likely be rubble or dust now if they hadn't been put in a British museum and protected instead of left in Greece with all their wars all the time.
Give them their land back then you'll be doing something!!!!!!!!
American Indians are amazing people. They know so much about nature and natural healing. Watching their cultures is fascinating.
Yeah not like the Savage settlers. They're native by the way not "Indians"
You swallowed the bullsht completely.
Congratulations.
Proper word is native american..Indian was what whites called them thinking they were in India when they landed in the americas.
Connected to Mother Earth. ❤
As items should be returned. Thriving thieves who are clueless. Money hungry thieves. Ugh.
Yeah. How dare these items, many of which are thousands of years old, be displayed so people can learn about these cultures.
They should.😢😢😢
Give everything back
No
@@henrylivingstone2971 it's not yours. Didn't you learn that in Kindergarten?
@@sierravista9013
Except my theft of graham crackers from a fellow kindergartner wasn’t sanctioned by the US government in the 19th century. Looting has been a legitimate means of war profiteering until The Hague convention. Everything stolen before that point is legal ownership.
There is no legal basis for anyone to return artifacts unless it was stolen after the year 1970 as dictated by the UNESCO protection of cultural heritage passed in response to the looting during the Khmer rouge in Cambodia. And only museums are required to return artifacts if they receive federal funding under NAGPRA passed in 1999 under the bush administration
Im first.