Bergman speaks about Antonioni
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Couldn't resist posting this a few days after the world lost two of its great cineastes, Ingmar Bergman and Michelangelo Antonioni. In an interview conducted in 2002, Bergman brought up Antonioni when speaking about the new films he was seeing in the local cinema on Faro, the island he lived on.
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"Those that are emerging are so incredibly talented. These young emerging directors, they know the job well. But it's not so often that they really have anything to say."
'Nuff said.
+Scott MacKeen Postmodernism in itself doesn't have much to say, all it cares about is making humanity look like a fool
Eh, that's something at least.
postmodern screenwriter/director like Charlie Kaufman have a very interesting to say. he's on the route of mild Von Trier.
I however cannot say the same with Nolan, Tarantino or Villeneuve, though I will admit that they're great technician, but that's about it.
Scott MacKeen m
so fucking true
Antonioni also said "I mean simply to say that I want my characters to suggest the background in themselves, even when it is not visible. I want them to be so powerfully realized that we cannot imagine them apart from their physical and social context even when we see them in empty space." Something I really love about his characters. Especially in Il Deserto Rosso
RIP Michelangelo Antonioni (September 29, 1912 - July 30, 2007), aged 94
And
RIP Ingmar Bergman (July 14, 1918 - July 30, 2007), aged 89
You both will be remembered as legends.
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As a Swede, I can say that the translation may be a bit off. What he said could be translated as '' and he made >AT LEAST< 2 masterpieces... '' The saying '' I alla fall'' In Swedish means both ''anyhow'' and ''at least''. To me it sounds like he means ''at least''.
Thanks
Thank you, because my first thought was “surely he’s not excluding Red Desert as a masterpiece.”
@@leamanc Couldn't agree more, Red Desert is criminally underrated --- as was Monica Vitti, his muse.
@Doge di Amalfi well, he generally disliked Antonioni.
Have somewhere read that Mr Bergman said he'd rather watch 'Goldfinger' than an Antonioni film.
Don't know whether it's apocryphal.
and then to think about the fact that they died on the same day!
This is too poetic.
Yeap...Universal Wholeness...Try to hide from it if you feel enough Foolish...
so funny
Ingmar is my favorite director....also because he really gets into peoples "soul"...I love Ingmar... cheer from New Orleans the city of jazz..
R.I.P Chris Marker! Same day, 5 years after these two.
L'Avventura for me is one of the 20 greatest and more important films ever made. La notte and blow up are masterpieces too, but L'Avventura is a milestone that changed cinema.
Bergman himself hated L'avventura tho hehe. I like it a lot myself
it's my favourite too
I saw it a day ago and I really don't like L'avventura. It seems so empty for me.
@@alexasheeran1962 Maybe that's the point...
@@wanlitan7406 Surely that the point.
Bergman and Antonioni died the same they, two genius with a particular sensibility, thanks forever!
Tack för det, Ingmar!
L´ Aventura and L´Eclisse are at least as good as La Notte and Blow up. These four films are real masterpieces.
Agree with you.
Red Desert is the best of all, on my opinion
Red Desert is my favourite, both that and L'Avventura are masterpieces
Bergman was a bit critical of Antonioni generally. He liked these two. But he also said that he disliked the red desert and most of his other works.
It's shocking how this still applies today. It's taken me 10 years of serious filmmaking and writing to finally discover my voice, what I wanted to say, and how I wanted to say it, and I'm still learning. But because we live in the day of pretty pictures on Instagram we have more "photographers" and "directors" where most people are getting so focused on the technicals of things to make things "look cool." There's no voice though, there's no language. I believe it to be fear of being messy since those who want to be filmmakers want to go Hollywood but I'm excited for a new wave of independent cinema.
It's when you don't see technical effects that it means you have a great art director, Ozu had that too.
This is the greatest statment i have ever heard!!!Bravo!!!
Master of cinema . Bergman
Antonioni was the first director to really make film seem line fine art. what i mean by this is, his shot compositions, particularly in the malaise trilogy and Red Desert, were just so ahead of the pack it wasn't funny. the lighting, framing etc was just not as obvious as his predecessors. it was deceptively simple. 'La Notte' and 'Red Desert' are two of the best shot films ever in my opinion
You speak well, sir.
Antonioni had the ability to create a mood and then make everything seem believable magical yet strangely elusive only within that moodscape, that world that Antonioni created. What Antonioni conveys is subliminal and his sense of enigma is quite unparalleled.
@@debojyotipanda938 Well said, sir.
Yea the color palette and cinematography in "Red Desert" alone blew my eye senses away!
Mostly L'Eclipse for me.
It is astonishing how spot on Antonioni (& Berman) were about "the new young directors". We all know who they are. They are incredible technicians, they make us feel a lot. But do they have something to say? It is for their own generation to decide. It seems true that for one Bergman, one Kurasawa, Antonioni, Tarkovsky, or Truffaut there need to be a hundred new young, usually Hollywood film directors. Blockbusters are receding a bit now, but so many rhyme w a mono-syllabic grunt speaking only emptiness, but incoherently, so that the viewer felt full... if only for a moment. Ironically today, we go well back in time, to Jane Austin or Shakespeare (The Hollow Crown) to listen to what today's cinema has to say. Something the past has already said. Magnificently. We do it rather well. NB: Bergman used medieval settings in Virgin Spring & The Seventh Seal to say something v vital about his own time.
What is meant by the term technician in & around this video?
He didn't talk badly about Antonioni, but about young 'talented' film makers who, despite their technical prowess have nothing to say. Bergman says that Antonioni wasn't technically gifted, but he could still make 2 great works of genius that tell us a great deal
Only two masterpieces, you pretend he don't talk badly?????
Antonioni is the greatest director and i love Ingmar Bergman, but antonioni is just something different , and his films are still highly relevant, they have aged very well, unlike some of Bergman's movies . La Notte, L'avventura , The Passenger are masterpieces and one of the best movies ever made.
And i don't know why he says antonioni wasn't a technician, because he sure as hell knew better than bergman where to place the camera and how to frame gorgeous shots .
Some directors are artists: they have the instinct to know how a story should be told. Others are technicians: they know everything about cameras, how the work, how to achieve certain effect. Antonioni wasn't a technician (which has nothing wrong, he was a hell of a filmmaker). Bergman was both.
so true
beautiful.
Little inguiry: What's your favourite movie from each of them?
Speaking of me, I haven't seen much of them yet but I just adore Bergman's Persona and Antonioni's Blow-up.
For me, its, Bergman -Fanny and Alexander.
Antonioni - La Notte.
It goes without saying, I adore most of their films.
this man knows what he is saying
ORSON WELLES made "Citizen Kane" when he was 25... I was talking about welles, not about Kubrick.
i agree... with almost everyone in here :)
@ewlalah It's the perfect way of putting it.
@Morellolover Advanced planning and technical profiency are two separate things.
I agree
Take that Spielberg!
Bergman was actually a fan of Spielberg.
raidersofthe22 he wasn’t a fan of Spielberg. He only said that he liked Jaws
@@raidersofthe22 Yes and of Scorsese!!
@@raidersofthe22 Bergman fan of Spielberg? Please.
I love Bergman, I really do. I've seen all of his films, even those made for TV. But I can't understand how he didn't like Antonioni. Of course Antonioni didn't made so many good films as Bergman, but he made really great films. I think Bergman was a little bit jealous of Antonioni because he saw his own movies reflected in the ones made by Antonioni. In his book "Pictures" (I don't know the name in English), Bergman dislike almost every single one of his films. I think that the movies made by Antonioni apply to these cases. Some are films that Bergman could have made and dislike after making them. This is my opinion, however, there are no facts here😅
He just say he love blow up and la notte. Dude wtf
@@inbrooken5602 Yes, but he said he didn't understand how to make a film and thought only about images and not about the film itself.
@@mitocondriaUAU_ I also found funny he said: "Anronioni wasn't a technician". Antonioni was a much better image composer than Bergman, and you can even see how after L'Aventura, Bergman films got influenced by it.
@ Drew Goddard? Or Jean-Luc Godard? Hahahaha
@@mitocondriaUAU_ Antonioni images talk more than any dialogs.
He is right ! Originality is scarce ! Also, the director is just a puppet of the film producers and financers. This is not Art ! Art shouldn't be compromised !
I love Bergman's films, but for him to say the only masterpieces by Antonioni are Blow Up and La Notte is blasphemous. How could he leave out Il Grido, L'Avventura, L'Eclisse, Red Desert or The Passenger? I put Antonioni and Bergman in the same echelon of filmmakers as Bresson, Tarkovsky, Teshigahara, Fassbinder, Bunuel, Kurosawa, Herzog, Welles, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Altman, Cassavetes and Jodorowsky (just to name a few). In other words, the top echelon.
+José Abel Salazar Lizárraga Jodorowsky is massively underrated. I have only seen Fando & Lis, El Topo, Holy Mountain and Santa Sangre, but for me that was enough to consider him a genius. And it kills me that he was originally the intended director for Dune. I think that would have been a masterpiece (no disrespect to David Lynch, but even he disowned that film).
Jodorowsky is the poor man's Paradjanov.
As a Swede, I can say that the translation may be a bit off. What he said could be translated as '' and he made >AT LEAST< 2 masterpieces... '' The saying '' I alla fall'' In Swedish means both ''anyhow'' and '' at least''. To me it sounds like he means ''at least''.
Yeah, he didn't say that! He said that Antonioni made at least two masterpieces, not just two.
@dtrailen Right...
Wow, I read the comments and you are all ridiculous. "He's better than him" "NO, this guy is better than that guy" "No way, besides he was his and favourite director" "No, HE was his favorit director" "No" "Yes" "NO" yada yada yada... And you guys think you know something about film? If you have a favourite director you need to take a step back and open up your mind to the possibilities of film. No one is better than the other, they're just different; comparing Bergman with Antonioni is like comparing an apple with a pear - it's useless and leads to nowhere.
EDIT: I need to add that Bergman says "(Antonioni) made AT LEAST two masterpieces" not JUST two masterpieces. The subtitles are wrong.
Blablabla.......
I totally agree -- I find Antonioni to be one of the most technically proficient and formal directors in the history of the medium.
Bergman's Seventh Seal and Antonioni's Blow Up/La Notte
@pevainer Right...
Bergman is right. a lot of younger film makers are talented, but their films are usually devoid of content.
everyone's taste is different. In my opinion, Bergman's films are far more dull and obvious than Antonioni, but each to their own.
No disrespect. I'm with you on Kubrick, but he did "Fear and Desire" when he was 25, which is hardly one of the greatest movies of all time, and I don't think was considered a movie that totally changed Cinema forever.
But Bergman was not talking about Kubrick. Kubrick and Bergman were from the same generation, although Bergman was more prolific and "ended" his career in cinema in 1982, while Kubrick continued until his dead in 1999 (of course, he only made two masterpieces from 1980 to 1999). This interview is from 2002: Kubrick was already dead.
I am shocked to hear him talk lightly of the great genius that is Antonioni. Then why quote him?
Because he didn’t consider him to be a genius, maybe?
Hej
Denmark arw the kings now, so many great films and tv.
Anders
many new director know about tacnically well, but they haven't know that what the souls of film, arts and life. which anthonioni was doing. thats the fact.
sottotitoli in italiano?
italian subtitles?
Visually you can see the Bergman influence not only in Cinema but throughout popular culture.
@MyName42 Michael Bay? Of course he's not, he's talking about swedish directors.
How is two great filmmakers dying on the same day ironic?
@clockworkscott I don't think it's really a nationality thing. Coincidental might have been a better way of putting it.
i wonder who are the directors he speaks about
Tomas Suarez no.
@@larsivar8772 also cassavetes is as far from a technician as it gets
@@tomaslego Quite wrong. Perhaps, he was talking about young Swedish filmmakers and we don't know.
Actually Stanley Kubrick was the most "Technician" in Cinema History in my opinion... and NEVER EVER call Orson Wells overrated!!!
The guy was only 25 when he made one of the Greatest movies of all time, a movie that totally changed Cinema forever. So take it easy...
That is typical with americans, when something is new in their country they think it is new to the world.
@@kino-apparatproductions9661 Unfortunately, nothing like Citizen Kane was made in Europe, before...
Forgotten
I find what he said about Antonioni confusing, not a technician...
He admires Blow Up which is technically one of the most impressive films I've ever seen...
The long take at the end of The Passenger is technically as ambitious as anything Bergman attempted.
Its ironic, two great film makers who died on the same day.
Bergman is right when he talks about a lot of younger filmmakers have talent, but their films are devoid of content, when he talks about Antonioni wrong that much. If there was no Antonioni there were no Godard Tarkowsky Tarr etc. Sorry Ingmar
Actually Tarkovsky's biggest idol was Bergman, not Antonioni.
Tomas Suarez no. Tarkovsky favorite filmmaker was Bresson
Him and antonioni died on the exact same day
Bergman's views are the only reason that gave me the courage to admit to myself that Citizen Kane is a profoundly boring film. Sorry fellas.
Orsen Welles didn't hold Antonioni in high regard either. But at least Antonioni can take comfort in the fact Kurosawa was fan of his.
@bmortloff OK, its a coincidence...
Welles was a great technician all right, and a great director, but I prefer Godard, or Antonioni, or Rivette, or Straub & Huillet... Welles was a mannerist and his films are too much for me : too much speed, ideas, images, dialogues... I like when directors let the audience see how they built the structure of their film. I think that the audience of the 21th century need more time and contemplation instead of speed and informations.
@dcasey77 It's coincidence.
The importance of "messages" or a meaningful idealistic approach in films are way overrated. There is absolutely no need for such distractions.
Max von Sydow är det bästa vi har för tillfället, utan tvekan.
I'm so dissapointed... ONLy BLOW UP AND LA NOTTE
I have to disagree with Bergman here. I don't think Blow Up is that good. It's ok. I much prefer L'avventura, L'eclisse, Passenger (Nicholson superb) and Identification of a Woman.
As for Antonioni not being a technically gifted I'm not entirely convinced about that either.
Me too，I think the ‘blow up’ is overrated，I think the passenger is the best，other films all greater than ‘blow up'
@dcasey77 The films of Bergman were so wellplanned in every techincal aspect, I mean the camera- and character movements, positions and framings, and the editing, the whole handcraft behind his films were so tight made. Antonioni was much more loose, intuitive and spontaneous when he handled his technical side of his films, he did rarely plan what to do on the days of shooting. Zabriskie Point is a mess, and so is The Passenger. Actors are out of frame, editing and sound almost out of timing.
Orson never really had a body of work. His first was so great.
Like he said : overrated.
Since when does "two masterpieces" count as talking lightly of someone?
ART FILM MAKER beeF
@maneatingseas What do you mean? Bergman aknowledged Antonioni's masterpieces and used him as an example of a filmmaker of substance. Besides, they were peers, there is no reason why Bergman should be sanctimonious, or kiss Antonionis ass.
Dont confuse Antonioni with the maestro.. Bergman and Tarkovsky are the greatest ever.
sadly you are very wrong.... Antonioni is the best!!!!!
He's done two masterpieces, you don't have to bother with the rest. One is Blow-Up, which I've seen many times, and the other is La Notte, also a wonderful film, although that's mostly because of the young Jeanne Moreau. In my collection I have a copy of Il Grido, and damn what a boring movie it is. So devilishly sad, I mean. You know, Antonioni never really learned the trade.
I know he's one of the finest directors to ever live but I don't really agree with him here. I feel that film is whatever you want it to be, wether that's tell a message or just be entertaining, or both. Tarantino for example is all entertainment, Kubrick was mainly substance, Scorsese is a mix of the two. I know a lot of top level directors aren't fans of Scorsese because they feel the same as Bergman, he's one of best technical directors around but doesn't always have a message.
It's not often they have something to say, every story has already been written. These fancy directors are just pretentious.
Antonioni > Bergman
Bullshit.
calling this man jealous is slow thinking,the man loved film,he went as he says 5 days a week,and what he says here is significant-as with any language,painting ,music cinema-you must have something to say.I don't agree with him on Antonioni's masterpieces,I personally prefer L'Aaventura,and Il Grido.
@jujunanino what? they arent even close to the most technical... and how can you not like bergman?? antonioni is great but it is godard who is overrated..
Talkin shit about Antonioni. I also don’t like his films.
He didnt talk shit you fuckin moron. You and others are kind of people who overanalyze everything. He didn't say anything bad. Its his perception. Respect it. Great people don't talk shit about other people. An artist respects another artist.
@@arnavverma4507 you’re right. He’s not talking shit. I could’ve done without the insult though.
Citizen Kane's overrated. The writing and acting is atrocious.
If you can make a better film than Citizen Kane let me know: I'll watch it and respect your opinion. Meanwhile, it looks like you want to call for some attention...
"For me (Orson Welles) is just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of, is the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie has is absolutely unbelievable!" - Ingmar Bergman
I am not a massive fan of american cinema but Welles has had his moments, he admitted that Citizen Kane is not even his film...Have a look at his late interview if you have a moment, he ended up being bitter about his creations because he considered them not ne be really not his individual work.
He concentrated on single images, never realising that film is a rhythmic flow of images, a movement. Sure, there are brilliant moments in his films. But I don't feel anything for L'Avventura, for example. Only indifference. I never understood why Antonioni was so incredibly applauded. And I thought his muse Monica Vitti was a terrible actress.
Bergman = jerk
I think Antonioni's films have possibly THE best rhythm of any films I've ever seen. I'll be honest--the first time I've watched any of his films, I turn them off in the first twenty minutes. But I eventually find myself coming back to his movies all the time. And I like them more with repeated viewings.
@@nuwanliyanage5684 Yes, you have to see a few times an Antonioni movie to find it reachness.