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Blessed love Mrs Jackson Miller. Looking forward, for part 2 on the Maroons thank u.
Jamaica has always accepted the Maroons as indigenous people. The only reason we are having this conversation now is because Holness want the Maroon land to hand over to Noranda Bauxite to mine the land. Look around the cockpit how Noranda sucked what they could from the land and left the devastated land. Holness, leave the Maroon land alone. It's not for you to mine. Show common decency and respect and stop bullying the helpless. You are Prime Minister because you call election during the covid lockdown and only a few people voted. Majority of Jamaicans heard about the election when it was over. Holness, you are not a trustworthy person. Leave the maroon land alone!!
That is the truth. How disgraceful!
This will cost Holness his P.M. status!
what indigenous are you talking about dem a black people just like the rest of us
Fool u do realize how dangerous it is that another independent body of people are tyring to rise up , to possible do u know what....with the influence of external entity
If it was true that Jamaica has always accepted Maroons as Indigenous people, Then this argument wouldn't exist. It is recognize culturally that maroons are in essence a tribal group but never Indigenous.
Host. Are you listening? These scholars are giving you the facts for you to tell THAT to the people. If the people don't do the research, it's just an opinion. These scholars gave fact. And just because you didn't grow up with this knowledge, THAT speaks to miseducation. Appreciate the correct and FACTUAL information shared and long live The Maroons.
They are still indigenous, and not imported.
Doubt Paul Bogle would agree with you. 😂
We are all indigenous to the land because we were not brought here and the scholars are still spreading nonsense that cannot be proven. Columbus and his like were conquistadors with military ships and they were not explorers or discoverers of anything.
Where did she go to school? She seems to have no idea of the history of the Maroons.
A people without a pass history or knowledge of self is like a tree without roots.
man im saying.
Mrs Jackson Miller, where is the rest of the interview? I would love to watch the interview in its entirety. Great job.
Yes where is it
timely interview good journalism
OMG! The Europeans have done a number on us and we can't seem to shake it. And it seems they are still winning. We are so aggressive and mean to each other verbally, mentally and physically. After all that has taken place we have left fighting our oppressors, to fighting with each other. From house slave to field slave and now the Maroons. This island is a force to reckon with even now, so can you imagine the things we could accomplish if more of us on this island used or intellect and energy positively and intelligently. We need to stop living up to the old colonial master's expectations and work together. We all live here, this is OUR land. As one of our great songbirds wrote, "as we fight one another for the power and the glory, the kingdom goes to waste". Come on Jamaica we're better than this. Too many examples from the past to learn from, national and international - division will not help, and our biases whether personal or political will definitely not. We need to wake up!
Divide and conquer 💪
Maroons need to gooooo now
Omg..this was so informative ....i love this for jamaica❤
This barely scratches the surface and is still filled with misguided lies known as our history written by thieves and murderers.
Why did you bring on this crazy lady to talk about dismantling Jamaica? The Maroons are not indigenous, period! By her definition all of Jamaica belong to the Maroons. So tell this lady to get the hell off of the television.
Probably from the intellectual ghetto. Pure rubbish!!
Why do you say that the Maroons are not indigenous? Back up your claim.
@@DestinyAlready Ok, so the Maroons were runnaway slaves brought to Jamaica by the Spaniards. When the Spaniards left Jamaica, those Spanish slaves, black people from Africa who were brought to the so called new world Jamaica, were taken over by the British. The Arawak Indians and the Tainos were found in Jamaica when the Spaniards arrived here. The Arawaks and Tianos would therefore be indigenous, or native to Jamaica. That's what we were told In history of Jamaica by Clinton V. Black. Blessings to you
@@decijohn6855 You are telling me you want to use "massahs" History book to decide what happened here hundreds of years ago? You want to believe in Arawak "indians" so bad, but modern history calls them Tainos.... Black people are not only indigenous to Africa. When the Spaniards, and everyone else who arrived here, landed there were already people here, and if those people did not understand the terrain of their land it would have been impossible to beat them at their own game. They are indigenous and have a ton of history to prove it. Like it or not, an agreement is an agreement, it is dangerous to attempt to strip what is most likely your own ancestors of their assets which they fought for and won! We can't judge the decisions of the maroons on any moral high ground, their freedom and safety were threatened... and truthfully you don't know what you would do in that position. History has to be respected... so do contracts.
@@ZAya-go4oj You are a revisionist, you want to rewrite history. Where did you get your historical information from? So you want to pick and choose. The same thing they told you in school is the same damn thing they told me, and you don't have any other sources. The Maroons' history is Jamaica's history. The Jamaicans and the Maroons are family. I don't get into the so called massah talk like you. I like to talk about how we can and must do for ourselves. I don't believe that if the massah takes his foot off of our neck we will all breathe freely, so to speak. We must do things for us! So, I don't follow the revisionist hustlers like you. I talk about socioeconomic advancements for our people by our people. Blessings to though
My grandmother was short, dark, had thick long hair (not straight) with a round face and originated from the Portland mountain side. I was told long ago that she was maroon. Does that mean I am maroon too?
Yes of course
@@antoniobaret7928 umtvcc
One Jamaica with Multiple cultures Multiple races one Nation
I think the people who are intent on raping the resources of Jamaica are benefitting from this argument being used to distract from the issue at hand. As a descendant of those ppl in st Elizabeth under captain Cudjo, indigenous or not, are they entitled to full autonomy over the land on which site their reservations. If they do have full right, then they should decide on how to utilize those resources -- PERIOD.
Deon, how are you going to have three people discussing such an issue without having dissenting voice? This is not good journalism. This is malpractice, shame on you.
Maroon's ancestors are from Africa so are my ancestors, what makes them more indigenous than others African who arrived later.
The UN lady and the guy in Atlanta just explained it. They mixed with the indigenous Taino people.
The fact that they were black does not make them African, you can be indigenous from somewhere other than Africa and be black at the same time!!!!
@@ZAya-go4oj once you descend from the african region then all were classified as tribes and of different tribes some arw fiercer than others and it is still the stigma in Jamaica and the Caribbean "tribalism" waring factors and we as a people should become civilsed "unite and dont divide" and our leaders should lead with example
As a child grown in up my Dad tell all of his children all our life’s that he was from a group of people that was call maroons and they all was from Africa and he his a Africa dissent, my Dad was born Parish off Hanover ,my Dad Died at age 90,so it is True to the story
They came from Africa during the Spanish occupation before British occupation in 1655 ...how does this make them indigenous ?????
They mixed with some of the remaining Tainos, who survived the Spanish occupation , who taught them how to survive
Australia , Canada and United States committed serious devastating acts of genocide against indigenous peoples who existed before the colonisation by white Europeans is it any wonder
You should go and study history Maroons war against the Spanish for 150 years and defeated them but your problem is that black people under rate black people
@@antoniobaret7928 no black people must unite and not be subject to divide and rule ...Yes I have Taino ancestry but I and still African ancestry .... no separate but equal foolishness ......
In 1739, the British and the Maroons made peace. The freedom of the Maroons was recognised and their land was given to them. The Maroons were to govern themselves. In return they would support the British government in Jamaica against foreign invasion and would help capture rebel slaves and runaways from the plantations and return them to their owners.
The peace treaty of 1739 with the Leeward Maroons and 1740-41 with the Windward Maroons both have clauses in which the Maroons, having secured their “freedom”, agreed to become policemen of the mountainous hinterland capturing runaway Negro slaves for a fee.
These Maroons also agreed with the colonial authorities to assist in crushing all slave rebellions and defend the country from any invasion. In return for these acts, the Maroons would be financially compensated by the ruling planter class - the slave owners.
Today, the four official Maroon towns still in existence in Jamaica are Accompong Town, Moore Town, Charles Town and Scott's Hall. They hold lands allotted to them in the 1739-1740 treaties with the British.
It is not just unfair but even scary that a Maroon should think himself so special as to be exempt from the law. For a people who had cooperated with the colonial government to return escaped slaves to their slave masters, it is utterly laughable that he should talk about fighting for freedom when Maroons had taken away the freedom of others by returning escaped slaves. During the Morant Bay rebellion, Bogle led hundreds of followers, armed with sticks and machetes, on a protest march to the court house. ... Jamaican Maroons from Moore Town eventually captured Bogle and delivered him to the colonial government. He was tried under martial law and quickly executed, as were many others.
Date of death: 24 October 1865
Nationality: Jamaica
It's easy to say this in 2022, eating well and living comfortably, being overweight, all your family are growing up fine and dandy. In 1700s I think you would have thought differently when surrounded by a well armed imperial army with war ships and cannons. Maybe survival strategies aren't your strengths and I'm sure you have never sat in hostile negotiation meetings which define the future of your people's lives. I'm not saying your wrong, facts are facts. But hard facts don't equate for the multiple of soft facts at the time.
An agreement is an agreement. They had their reasons, the land is theirs.... and without some kind of negotiation to change such agreement the land remains "theirs" and quite frankly it belongs to any "Jamaican" who can claim indigenous roots.... what is laughable is to think you can judge a people who fought (and won) for their own survival and most likely did not have a broader scope of what systemic racism and slavery would eventually become. They did what they had to do, and it would be interesting to see what you would do in same circumstance. If you in any way do anything that aids the modern capitalistic system you are in no way different from the maroons and have no right to cast judgements.
@@ZAya-go4oj thank you!
That's the problem, they keep on bring up maroon being turning on other run a way slaves, to masks the reality that the lands are rightfully theirs/ours.
Jamaica govt, is trying similar tactic as America did with the indigenous people that first occupy America.
Please state the source of the information regarding the Maroons capturing Paul Bogle. At the time of the peace treaty, Nanny was against it but signed it as not doing so would negate all they had fought for. Local history sources state that the Maroons agreed to that clause so they would get the autonomy and the land, but did everything in their power not to give in to the clause of capturing their fellow Black people. I would be grateful to know the historical evidence which proves otherwise. One thing that white supremacists have been good at is creating information to turn Black people against each other and they have been very successful at that especially as we seem ready to tear each other down in the first place. This was done to Martin Luther King, the Black Panthers and Marcus Garvey. Within Jamaica when Marcus was accepted in the USA, his very own Black Jamaicans turned against him. A lot of this fueled by lack of self-love by some Black people striving to align themselves with white and brown people, ignorance and plain envy.
If you check previous comments made by the PM he confirmed the maroons are a sovereign nation. Ja. had no problems with them before. So what happened now? That angry personal reaction from the PM was definitely misplaced. I would like to see the same reaction to crime fighting or crime management. He should have responded calmly and more diplomatically. Both leaders must sit down at the table and iron things out. Legislate it so its recorded. We need to once and for all address the things that happened how the British used the maroons to capture/kill their sisters and brothers. Most J'cans are still upset about that from what I see on social media. The next issue is land in the cockpit. Things got sticky when the maroon leader started speaking up about the mining. Both sides need to just have a dialogue settle everything and lets live in PEACE.
STEALING Leasing laying Claim to LAND and CLAIMING to be selected inhabitants WHICH is for the entire PUBLIC use. In other words its GREED and STEALING with explanation to be belive is JUSTIFIED..
@@gervanmyers3066 how can you steal what is yours? Let me guess, you are one of those who believe that your Black skin isn't good enough to be indigenous.... you need some kind of Indian feature to believe that these people came from this land, my people continue to frustrate me, you don't even understand your own power! Just gross....
Logic dictates if you fight for you land and win the land is yours, if you have to sign treaties with the enemy they recognise your sovereignty and your rights to the land, maroons are natives through their ancestors and acts of self defense and recognition. Many countries have states within states the UK is made up of England Scotland Northern Ireland and Wales, in the past they hated each other but recognise the others sovereignty.
Are you saying that Bryan Phillip's argument is not based on facts?
Come on man, the Scottish, Welsh and Irish situation is totally different. The Scottish people and land mas are clearly different from the people and land of England. The Welsh people and land mas are distinctly different from the people and land mas of England and the Irish people and land mas are without any doubts very different from that of England. The Jamaican people and land mas and the Maroon area and people are one and the same as the rest of Jamaica. So, man get serious. The former chief of Accompong town that Currie defeated says that Accompong town and the rest of Jamaica is one and and the same. You are siding with a guy who is drunk on power, who now wants to be king of Accompong town. That is a total mistake, because Jamaica would not even make such mistake as to even consider autonomy. Many Jamaicans do not understand the ramification of sovereignty for the Maroons, but when push comes to shove they will understand. Which country would give up it land to some power hungry maniac?
The point I'm making is that the maroons have factually fought for their lands, established traditions and have elected leaders over centuries, it would be dishonorable for Jamaicans to forget that. They are apart of Jamaica but also have their own voice to be heard when they have concerns, the priminister should not dismiss them out right, he should have dialogue with them just like he has dialogue with the Chinese and US diplomat and business men. Too often Jamaica has dismissed their own children and culture in favor or power and money. We did it to Garvey, we did it do Marley we did it to the Rasta community. It's time we embrace what we have and who made us, and celebrate it justly, what is hard about accepting maroon history and way of life, are they going to get up and leave, are they going to rebel in 2022 with imaginary arms. NO they are not, as for the UK it's one island no divisions by water, the English have fought the Scottish and Welsh for over 1000 years now they recognise the sovereignty in the regions and have an inclusive government, here in Jamaica the priminister said if the maroons are free, make them pay for all their services by themselves Jamaicans shouldn't pay for anything. When Scotland wanted to leave the UK 4 years ago, all the British MPs opened Dialogue and debates and campaigned for a united country and more regional powers for Scotland. You see the difference politics isn't about throwing weight and power around like a child. It's about negotiating a win win, the maroon lands like many other parishes have been taken advantage of, soo much water inequality in Jamaica and rich n poor divide. The priminister is escalating a debate into a potential fight for political smoke screen to hide the fact that the Jamaican economy is collapsing due to the poor leadership choices and pandemic strategies. In the end you will be poor with the maroons whilst the Mps are living in Europe/USA
@@TTT-su3ri Ok, so I am not saying that they might not have concerns. The only semi developed areas in Jamaica is Kingston, St. Andrews and Montego bay in St. James. Successive Jamaican governments dropped the ball so to speak on advancements in Jamaica. And this Prime Minister has to be the most inept Prime Minister in Jamaica's history baring Edward Seaga. I am from St. Elizabeth and St. Elizabeth is one of the least developed parishes in Jamaica, so yes, they have grievances. My problem with the Maroons and Currie in particular is the idea of sovereignty. Currie started the whole thing by confronting the Jamaican police with long guns strapped to his back. The guy is drunk on power, and must be shunned, ostracized. We love the Maroons. Jamaica has no problem with the Maroons. The last colonel of Accompong town rubbished Currie's assertion, and proclaimed that Accompong town is a part of Jamaica. Talks should be entered into, but the idea of sovereignty cannot be on the table, not even autonomy. Blessings to you though
@@decijohn6855 I hear you brother, the guns strapped maybe excessive, I personally have no problem with maroon sovereignty and a united Jamaica, same as the USA, with the states and federal government. I have a problem with the priministers approach to this situation is childish also remember the head of state of Jamaica is the Queen of England. The head of Jamaica is the Queen of England, but you can't go visit your Queen without getting a visa and they are not cheap and they don't let everyone in. So for me the priminister needs to address greater issues first. Haiti is over 200 years free, so are the maroons and Barbados removed the woman this year. When the priminister said that the government is the only sovereign state in Jamaica he lied or didn't tell the exact truth, he has to consort with the Governor General the Queens representative. My view is we like to pick on our own people first and give the outsiders everything with smiles and open open arms. I respect the open dialogue, and this is what is needed more in all areas of life, blessings to your family
The GB war with maroons and lost...and they are a power player,,,, so keep it up,,,,,
You guys are delusional
@@wynrick1 Some persons haven't realized that GB had conquered many bigger and stronger nations throughout the world. From India, to Africa to the Americas.
I think it is yall that are delusional, how many other people did GB choose to make peace with so early in the game? With all that power, it made more sense to make peace? Perhaps that speaks to something fast note divine than physical....🤷🏿♀️
@@ZAya-go4oj This is statement is a little bit more ignorant. Most Jamaicans i realize tend to live in a Microcosm and thus believe that what happens in Jamaica is unrelated to happened in the outside world. GB was a nation of great power conquering lands on all Continents except Europe ofcourse.
Maroons did get a treaty out of the British, but don't be disillusioned to believe that if Jamaica was paramount resource colony for British wealth that we wouldn't have seen a different history. Better to say the British incharge of Jamaica at the time strategically didn't see any value in longer conflict with Maroons.
Educate the lunatic that's in office called himself Prime Minister he is a prime criminal
The Maroons are not indigenous people, but they do have a right to THE cockpit country, through the history of how the Maroons become 'THE MAROONS.' It is not a sovereign place but, yet defined, it should not be encroached upon. It is a sensitive issue and needs discussions.
The best fair respectful UNDERSTANDING base on bits and pieces...the english interpertation of the word MAROONED is what is or happened being seperated from the MAIN..
The only difference between the Maroons and other Jamaican descendants of African slaves is that the former ancestors fled to the mountains to avoid being enslaved. I don't see how they are indigenous to the country.
Ok where’s the full interview?
jamaica 🇯🇲 fi go remember where them ten toes 👣a come from
Where is the rest of the interview?
A much needed conversation on Jamaican indignity. However, the role of the African and mestizo escapees who became Maroons, is a controversial one. This early history of Afro-Maroon survival became an uncomfortable one when the fearful English drove a wedge between the embattled Maroons and the enslaved population. As a result of this history of divide and conquer, Jamaicans seem torn between admiration and suspicion towards the Maroon society. This attitude seemed evident on the broadcast.
On the other hand, in addition to welcoming escapees, the role of Amerindian continued contributions to the founding and community of our island’s survival is not an automatic part of our education as it should be. We need to honor and learn about the original free Taíno people and those who became Cimarrones. for teaching us all how to survive in an alien hemisphere which became our cherished homelands. Without ancient Yamaye knowledge our and the Maroon survival in the Caribbean would not have occurred. This pattern of refugee acceptance and adoption was widely practiced in the Americas by its original Indigenous people.
Well said. A lot of miseducation and created BIASES, was made formal in our education system and then from that, a level of disdain occured. But there is much to be learned from the whole scenario and history. One thing I point out and is reflecting on, is the perpetual divide, created from the moment the British landed and tried to use the early Maroons against each other and today, we are seeing the same consequences of that initial act, within our society. Again,imo, it is evident during the process of chartering for our independence, the failure to state certain 'boundaries' has created a lot of confusion. However, it is our duty as a nation and a state to address this on OUR terms, amicably.
Where is the archaeological evidence that supports the existence of the Taino or Arawak or this the stuff that we read in European history books. History written by the victor is to be taken with a grain of salt because it’s usually filled with lies to support his cultural dominance among other propaganda concerns. Columbus and his like were Conquistadors who happen to stumble upon places and people they know nothing of while looking for elsewhere and they were guided by maps that were not drawn by Europeans. When you locate the sites Tainos and Arawak that prove their archaeological mark on the land then let me know because I’m sure people that live tens of thousands of years can’t disappear without archaeological trace that is just impossible. Great story though to continue displacement of those here of African descent and confusing their lineage and claim to land or to indigenous rights.
The displacement that is maintained by the lies protect the thieves and murderers from any indigenous claim to restitution of the lands stolen and the wealth or profit gained by the continued theft of the lands and enslavement of the prisoners of war.
A diss dem diss de maroons we must respect our history and if we didn’t had unruly slaves that disobey the slave masters and ran away and fight do you think we would be free today 🤔🤔🤔from Chains ⛓⛓⛓⛓⛓🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
This ladies strongest argument doesn't show that the maroons are indigenous people. We don't get to claim the rights of indigenous people if you cannot prove that you're.
The Maroons indigenous Status is recognized by the United Nations also Rastas and here you are talking bastid foolishness
I grew up reading the books that were issued to primary school and were printed here that the maroon had rights and how they fought the war to help the english beat the french and Spanish so don't knw how u guys a try change history yah now.. what if unuh ago need them again to help fight for Jamaica from the new enemies..Jamaican wise up.. and stop letting them rewrite history.
I think the point about the history that they’re making is that the “history” you know is what was written for books by people that were part of the system that enslaved and subjugated your ancestors. As such, they would write that “story” to push their own narrative, which downplays their role and places the blame for their atrocities on others, such as the Maroons.
They are not rewriting history now, they are exposing the truth that was masked prior to now..
Try to sit and think about it for a while…
@@nevilleburke692 u sir av your narrative, however history will repeat again ..this is y we the black race will never win we r too intertwined in what is right from what is hyped..I wasn't there when they signed that treaty but , just remember we unjustly ,and criminally robbed those people their heritage..ours is next .. what binds us together if we can't respect a contract..other countries r watching us..they can't wait tear up their binding contracts with Jamaica ..
@@jannettjones9165 I didn’t say anything about not respecting the treaty and the rights of the Maroons. I completely agree that they should be respected.
I thought your initial comment seemed to suggest that the video above was trying to rewrite history - which is what I tried to explain to you.
All the best
If the Maroons want to be sovereign take it to court
I want to see the rest of the interview
I hope Andrew is in class.
😂😂 Him stress out wid other things right about now.
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@@web-angel 🤣
Tiano are the original group as you indicate
Even if we assume that Maroons in the old days had some indigenous persons. The predominant indigenous bloodline has been severely diluted thanks to a large influx of Africans. Just because I had a Great Great Grand father was Chinese, doesn't mean that I am Chinese. Protect the land you've inhabited for years, that's natural.
But go easy with the indigenous claims. Most Maroons nowadays are phenotypically afro-descendants.
The reason you say this is because your school books taught you that this land was not found with people who looked "black"... your history book was wrong, so I'm sorry you were taught all that BS. .... but what the world needs to understand... apparently you included, it's that Black people are not only indigenous to Africa!
@@ZAya-go4oj It would be true if "taught" history was all my knowledge was based on. Also, when you want to dispute an intellectual point, you argue from some base of empirical evidence. While research and history shows that some Africans have moved outside of Africa, I have yet to see any evidence that it was true for the Maroons in Jamaica. If you have any verifiable evidence please to present such.
@@ZAya-go4oj They need to know this fact.
So called 'black' people were ALREADY in Jamaica.
@@jackjonas1699 evidence?
If the government mind the cockpit country they should take them to court
What is the meaning of Jamaica if the slogan “land of wood and water belongs to the Arawak? Do you know that the majority of our population are autochthonous inhabitants? Do you know that until today we have regions on the island where Arawaks from other territories had ambassadors (leeward and windward Arawaks). Why the leeward and windward Arawaks have forgotten who they are today? Only a few people were brought to Xaymaca after the kidnapping of Arawaks and our dry soil and land. The crown land lease has expired and we are coming to reclaim our land and resources. Corporate Jamaica legal fraud conversion is not law. We the autochthonous people is the law of the dry soil and land. Your corporate birth certificate contract has lifted you off the dry soil and land. Hence Jamaicans are bankrupt indentured labourers with dead status. Arise and take your rightful place Arawaks!!!
There is no such place lawfully known as JAMAICA and there were never any Arawaks. I agree with you that we are the autonomous indigenous people that continue to be colonized mentally to be displaced by corporate fictions such as the Jamaican Corporation and the government of Jamaica. Thieves and murderers have no right to steal anywhere and give it a legal title or name it’s people. Notice the so called scholars made no mention of where the so called Tainos or Arawaks are today.
Good day. I agree with your narrative. What concrete action are you willing to take to server and rescind your bond attachments as an indentured person (chattel) to the colonial government?
@@Kanrocktv I have an affidavit written that sever all ties with the corporate fiction created in the name of the all capital letters that resembles my name and makes me the sole agent for that fictional character. This affidavit also asks for a proof of claim that I the flesh and blood human being consented and contracted to be a part of the legal fiction corporation known as Jamaica without duress or deception. I asked for the legal fiction Jamaica to challenge my claim to being a human being that is fully responsible for all my actions and relinquish any form of documentation that recognized the legal fiction as a real place or legal jurisdiction that has any power of my agent (all capital letters that resemble my name). I believe this affidavit should be sent to the Birth registrar and to the bank and any other corporation that you have a contract with and to the Supreme Court. I basically declare myself to be my own state and ask for any of the bodies that claim legal jurisdiction to challenge this declaration with proof of claim.
@@Kanrocktv how did you go about this process ?
You are heading in the correct direction but to my knowledge and access to information, the process goes beyond an affidavit. We have a Cestui Que Vie Trust or Trusts and other unknown attachments that has to be collapsed and salvaged otherwise you remain a bonded surety (collateral) to corporate Jamaica its parent corporation (the Vatican and derivatives such as the Central Bank and others. The birth certificate is an indentured agreement, so how is it we are taught that slavery is abolished and Jamaica is independent when it is actually an inferior crown bankrupt North American sub corporation under Washington DC. Together we can created a world free from their control and jurisdiction.
These "scholars" are delusional. The Maroons are not an indigenous or sovereign people. The are relating confirmational bias' as a means for evidence. The UN's declaration also doesn't fit Jamaica in any way shape or form. That's the part she forgot to say, so let me say it. She is talking about guidelines. Most of which doesn't fit Jamaica. The subgroup of Arawakian people who we call Tainos had long been disimated due to European diseases and not having immunity to said diseases. She's placing her hat in a place where she cannot reach it, that gentleman too from Atlanta. This is the thing I hate about some of our scholar. We want history to fit us so we can seem more sufficient, while misleading and making outlandish claims to real history. Jamaica's Taino population didn't fight off the Spanish. They were completely subjugated, all their attempts of rebellion were relentlessly crushed. The British brought most of Jamaica's slave to the island. Most of those slaves were from West Africa, the Ashantis ( Modern day Ghana). These were battle hardened people. The English started the infrastructure plan of Jamaica and made it sugar haven, full of plantations for the export of Sugar around the world and it's colonies. It was during this time most of those slaves escaped and started to go into the interior. They oftened escaped together in groups and banded together.. This didn't happened overnight but gradually happened over decades..The British those days held supernatural beliefs about these people and their practices ( What we now call Obeah). The British never held a large force in Jamaica, and so found it hard to really dislodge the people they now called Maroons. The would have scourmages but the Maroons would always use guerilla warfare. The British knew it was a battle of attrition (in Jamaican terms, not really worth it because neither side was winning and the maroons always fled before being encircled) So Edward Trelwanny negotiated a peace treaty with the Maroons to let them govern their own affairs and not pay tax, however they should return all future runaway slaves. My fellow Jamaicans don't let these idiots further confuse you. Had Tainos and Africans mated we would be a little Brazil with a country of interracial people. (Brazil has millions). 90+ Jamaicans are of African origin. The tainos were what people in America calls Native Americans today. The British granted Jamaica independence. Whatever treaty thr British held with the Maroons is now void, as that was British Jamaica, the British government vacated that treaty the minute Jamaica became a new country with its own laws and sovereignty. Have you ever seen a Maroon with a Maroon passport? Yea me neither. That's why you need no port of entry to enter where they are because they are not sovereign. They deserve their mention in history for fighting two wars with thr British and holding their own, but make no mistake, they also turned on their own by turing over runaway slaves. They are Jamaicans with a rich heritage.
Where is the archaeological evidence that supports the existence of the Taino or Arawak or this the stuff that we read in European history books. History written by the victor is to be taken with a grain of salt because it’s usually filled with lies to support his cultural dominance among other propaganda concerns(like displacement and avoiding indigenous claims to restitution for the land and resources stolen). Columbus and his like were Conquistadors who happen to stumble upon places and people they know nothing of while looking for elsewhere and they were guided by maps that were not drawn by Europeans. When you locate the sites Tainos and Arawak that prove their archaeological mark on the land then let me know because I’m sure people that live tens of thousands of years can’t disappear without archaeological trace that is just impossible. Great story though to continue displacement of the Asiatic people with lawful claim to the land and confusing their lineage and indigenous claim to stolen property and the wealth stolen from enslavement of the prisoners of war.
why dont you go and tell the United Nations that Maroon are not indigenous , you is a sellout
My Grandmother always told me her grandmother is an injun...not Indian.. a maroon.. taino maroon from interior Saint mary
I don’t understand how people can I take this wealth of information and think a prime minister of a small island can overrule a United Nations declaration that Jamaica signed
Indigenous people are the Tainos . Maroons is a name given by Europeans
How could Europeans give the name Maroon when the name exist in Africa long before Europeans came in contact with Maroon, a lot of you people are so brainwashed that you always trying to pic side with the oppressors
@@antoniobaret7928 you need to read before assuming that false narrative.
@@winstoncaarons4657 go to the United Nations and tell them that Maroons are not indigenous sovereign
Call them what you want...the first and indigenous peoples of every corner of the earth are black. There's no changing that since life started in Africa. This is whether you believe in Bible Creation or Evolution
Leave the Maroons alone. They kept the british at bay and just for that alone, should be celebrated. All those Jamaicans who think otherwise need to educate themselves and I'm not referring to the colonisers narrative. Andrew Holness is showing such a lack of judgement on this situation....but then again he has an ulterior motive for not wanting to recognise the sovereignty of the Maroons.... Cockpit Country and bauxite mining!
Some maroons are jet black with straight hair. A genetic proof they are mixed with maroons. My mother her mother and great grandmother has it too.
How people not know that Maroons are indigenous. I'm surprised that this isn't general knowledge to us Jamaicans.
The only true Out of Many One People motto reference is now the various African nations living together now. Mixed or Brown is a small minority abt 6%, then Chinese, Indian, White, etc. too small to incorporate into the motto now.
Belieze, Trinidad, Haiti, Cuba DR, are more diverse than Jamaica now.
I wonder, how did Mr Holness become Priminister of Jamaica when he Cleary doesn't understand the History and culture of the country he represents kmt.
They are the legal government
I hate the motto "Out of many one people"
This was developed to neutralise the black strugle for humanity, recognition, rights, compensation etc
My ancestors are indigenous to Jamaica do i have these rights too?
The tainos are not Africans, they are part of the Arawak Indians
Uggh... the people who were living here initially were not necessarily actual "indians" its called the West Indies... the "Tainos" most likely were "black" in appearance.
@@ZAya-go4oj explain
They are saying that the maroons are indigenous because they inter mingled with the Taino peoples who are the actual indigenous people..
if the maroon are indigenous so am I
Well maybe there is a different meaning to the term indigenous people
African people was all over the Earth long before the White man came to these parts
@@antoniobaret7928 I can agree to that but that is not the topic of discussion
There's no such people as Taino or Arawak in the islands of Jamaica
The indigenous people of Jamaica are the same black people that occupy the Island today, when will we use our own common sense rather than the English man's lies
We still have people propagating that nonsense because it displaces our lawful claim to restitution of land and wealth stolen and at the same time ties us into the corporate ward status of the legal fiction Jamaica and the Jamaican government and it’s debts. So other than we having a true nationality and inheritance to our stolen wealth we have some fictitious debt because we remain colonized mentally.
@@blacklight3596 at my age i dont want to be confused anymore after so many years of scholarship Jamaican history the arawaks were false information, wher are the historians ? Jamican? Caribbean? educate me some more please with facts , i am conviced the aborigines are the arawaks , how many invasions did the colony encounter before the english and the spaniards
Interesting discussion! If the Maroons are indigenous people, then the rest of us Jamaicans who are descendants of the enslaved Africans are also indigenous as well. The difference between the Maroons and the rest of us is that our enslaved ancestors were not lucky in escaping slavery. The Maroons took to the hills and mountains and the rest is history. Am I to conclude that because they escaped slavery, intermingled with the Taino, worked with slavers (the British) in capturing their fellow Africans who tried to escape slavery is enough to regard them as indigenous?
You would think the fact that this is documented in multiple sources would make it easier to deduce but they still perpetuate the lie
Out of many people does not apply anymore, that motto came about when the island had more Whites, Brown/ Mulattoes, South Asians, Chinese, majority have migrated. The island is now 93% Black , 6% Brown people, Indian, Chinese and White.
Brown?
When was the words generated?... its at independence. What part of jamaica was mainly other races and not blacks? . And yes jamaica need to accept this.... Many indians were there already and they alomg with whites and others have mixed. Is this post-slave mentality thats holding down many and they cant see it. Over 90 percent of jamaocans "black"in case u didnt know are mix. The black race on a while is the same thing. Yet many claim not to be racist and they domt like other wgo are among them who are obviously mix.. and see yet they denying who they are. Im a marroon decendant as well but also white and other races and i wont disown my ancesters for no-one. Start respecting you all ancesters amd then maybe u all will start seeing a better jamaica. Our bloodlines didmt just start 100 uears ago. So y s out of many one people because its a grouos of different races that came together to form jamaica from thebgebral population to the bloodlines.
🤦🏾♂️👆🏾 what they did not mention here is that:
The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People is a legally non-binding resolution.
Non Binding!! See article 46
Maroon is an english word meaning isolate, escape, runaway etc.. it has nothing to do with tainos. That word is not a taino word, it's an english word. The british called runaway Africans maroons or escaped. Blacks stop making up history
But have those rights always in Ja.
Where the patios came from
Patois is a blend of all the different languages of the peoples who were here (Tainos), came here (Spanish and British) and we're brought here (West Africans).
@@web-angel you don't think we should at least has another languages base on where we're coming from
@@mariethompson4564 its a mixture of french an english creating a correspondence course for the natives
In other sister islands in the Caribbean, the black people will tell you that they descended from the Tiano and Arawacks based on this same premise. Yes, prior to English conquest, the Spanish held Africans did mix with the indigenous and therefore most claim their land and heritage. However, the issue of Sovereignty is another matter. History must be corrected.
I think it's more about autonomy than sovereignty.
Like a lot of people around the Caribbean the presenter sound as though her knowledge came from that book "The Making of the West Indies" by F. ?. Augier The conquerors strongest weapon remains the written word, twisted as they may be.
All Angles is utterly biased: all the panelists have the same views re the Maroons. There is not one dissenting scholar . This is bad journalism
Good day to you and your family. Proper media outlets that focus on who we are from an autonomous Atlantean view is imperative. Most of us are unaware of our historical facts existing in Peru, Mexico, Brazil and elsewhere in America that predates the bible. The narrative of contemporary corporate maroon, Taino and Africa overlays are a big distraction that must be corrected by we the people, with the people, for the people. Turtle Island studio is coming soon.
When the Spanish came to Jamaica black people was in Jamaica it was a black man that navigated the boat with Christopher Columbus to Jamaica
Finally! Someone who gets it! Much respect🙏🏾
But this person was not African. If you go to India, you will see millions of dark skin people, but they are not African.
@@vames1986 all black people are from africa
@@MrSivram28 Hundreds of millions of Indians have dark skin and they are not from Africa. They are Asians.
@@vames1986 they are African okay there's nothing wrong with being African. do you have self-hatred
The Tainos never completely died off when the British took over. I don't think there are any pure left or Mixed Tainos left on the island.
If they cannot abide by the law of the land go Africa who is under serious political corruption and pressure.
They have their own law... of their land
I thought that the name if the show is all angles. But this looks like one side. This people are so desperate to claim autonomy. They are use all kinds of arguments even when they are not applicable. They're like a drowning man clutching at straws.
By Law a Treaty is an Agreement between Sovereign Nations/People but here you are trying to under rate Maroons while you have a birth certificate that make you a property of Britain and you dont even know it
What are you talking about ? do you have an. Identity ? . Yes they are Indigenous they have the right to there Land
There fore parents fought for there rights and Land.
What I hear the panelists saying is that Maroons are indigenous because some of them had children with Tainos. But by that argument then we are all Chinese or Indian or European because somenof our ancestors had children with them. So their argument basically says Maroons are Tainos and that is their strongest argument, which shows they don't have any good arguments.
@@henderson665 you have time a respond to them bro. These people lost and won’t be found. Simple logic doesn’t apply in the mind of someone who thinks like how me see nuff a the people in this thread a think
@@el_jamaiquino hahaha
Nanny going to pay Andrew Holness a visit, she must give him a box, according to history nanny was a spiritual woman
Some Arawak’s lived down the street from me growing up.
Sorry East indians
All of this misses the point that Curry claims that he and his people are not Jamaican citizens. So the issue of being indigenuous people is not the issue because the government isn't questioning that. The issue is the independence claim of Currie. Btw, why do Maroons look just like other Jamaicans if they are related to the Tainos, who were Asian looking?
It is soooo silly to believe that the original people on this island were Asian looking.... most indigenous people look "black"
@@ZAya-go4oj You are ignorant. The Tainos looked Asiatic. By the way, Verene Shepherd is missing the point: Currie says that he and the ppl in Accompong ARE NOT JAMAICANS . Let that SINK IN
@@keatssamson9382 are we to believe the history of our world as written by the thieves and mass murderers. Why would they tell us the truth about ourselves ?
We still have the Arawak in the court house in the house of Parliament and on our money those are agents Moors Scottish Irish they have paper genocide Arawak identity in 1962
A large population of Africans escaped and linked up with the tainos, so, lets define the tainos??
Wait then...so it was a lie that Tainos were extinct or killed by the Spanish which was before the English came?
Jackson Miller has lost credibility a long time She is not the person to air this programme She is too party political to understand
What about the treaty that was signed. Did it have an expiry date . Why is it all of a sudden it has no teeth but all other agreements with the British hold firm . I sincerely trying to understand. If it was there were Africans here before the Spanish and the British up in these hills would it still hold firm. Or is it just because these Africans were mixed with these indians a signed agreement can hold firm. I am glad for a more indept understanding of how it is they are concidered indigenous. I thank you for giving us this understanding . But outside of this indigenous angle of discussion what of lands that were given over to them .
I am beginning to think this is next in the series of disrespect to the black populace. If it was some other ethnicity that lands was signed over to a group of people predating long before independence, A lot of persons would be appalled to now want to just disregard such an arrangement regardless of the circumstances they got it under . I can bet there would be a campaign encouraging us to ' forgive". If there would be a move to throw the white off South African lands, or a drive to give back the American indians thier land , there would be a forgiveness campaign but all of a sudden with the black maroons the excuse that they were more traitous than anybody else can be used to take away lands signed to them.
Or it now that they are "mixed" the agreement can hold firm . When since the honouring of an agreement depends on race or ethnicity. Lord Have mercy upon us . Who thought we were living in heaven🙄
Jamaica has no problem with the Maroons. We love the Maroons and their ways of life. Until this silly guy Currie comes along asserting sovereignty, everything was good. Jamaica rejects Currie's assertion totally, that's all.
It's until the PM is trying to sell off an area of Jamaica that provide fresh water to a large part of Jamaica. It's a good thing the Maroons have a leader who's willing to fight that move.
@@web-angel thank you... Was gonna address it but you did...
@@web-angel Listen, babygirl that is a separate issue. I totally agree that the Cockpit country must not be touched. The issue is with Currie and his claim of sovereignty, for the Cockpit
Totally correct.
Take the people them mining money now him don't have the land
Jamaica is clearly doing like the usa with segregation
But I grew up learning that and I grow over learning from a long time because in my room is we have rights they might have rights is a different group of people I just said the man says a different group of people and they will government and then live in the bush so it's a different group of people and you can't take Grandma and sovereignty and you can't do certain things you cannot treat Jamaica like a white man country have certain kind of certain kind of military you know me when people that fight people are fighting their rights that different world living alone right so they have to do if you have a free world less peace no fight so let's wire and everything everything you would like to get up and everything will go all right the more peace we do better the more peace we do in more better in life and we all feel understand that
I thought people was plural. Peoples ????
@@smann509 Thanks for clearing that up. Was not aware of that
The problem is that we have the creation story wrong people think that human beings first exist only in Africa an the rest of the world was without people,the african Morocco empire has a business agreement with the British empire the United states is a foreign European corporation conducting trade an commerce in foreign lands from the beginning of world slavery.indigenous Jamaicans are called maroons by the slave masters,we are aboriginal Jamaicans my ancestors originated in Jamaica from the beginning of creation,my ancestors are native to the land of Jamaica
Ahh Teach them because they are fools ... The US is a Corporation and citizens are debt Slave thru ownership of their birth certificates and they dont even know it
Finally a comment from someone who seems to have actually been doing their research!!! It is a pleasure to buck up someone with sense in the midst of all these ridiculous comments.... this is what happens when you don't even know that you're the rightful heir to the kingdom! It's sad, and frustrating....
Maybe in order for people to understand the name Maroon needs to be changed! Whatever it takes for these people to stop fighting their own greatness!
Come better next timee
What rights are being taken away from the maroons?? they the maroon just need to obey the laws of the State
The Cockpit Country is their land and they don't want it sold for mining. You should be very happy that they're willing to fight the PM on this.
@@web-angel They are following like sheep without understanding the political agenda.
You alone never hear it Counsel... My dad taught me that in teaching me pride in my heritage...
@@web-angel when and how they come to own the cockpit country
@@pattoroy3979 that research you'll have to do on your own, but it's not hard.
They taught al lot of nonsense in school in from way back, like teaching us about arawak only to relearn again that there was no arawak in Jamaica its tainos
Truth is there was no Tainos either. We have yet to discover any archaeological evidence to support the existence of anybody else but us. Out of many one people is one of the biggest lies told(98% of us look the same). None of us came from Africa and we are all indigenous to the land we are born on. Christopher Colon was a conquistador that lead a military invasion. Europeans didn’t discover any where in this hemisphere. All the artifacts and archaeological evidence prove that this is the Old World (Amaru) with the oldest calendars and some of the oldest human settlements/civilizations and the most and oldest pyramids with more than three times the amount in one spot than in all of Egypt yet the told us this is the New World. There was no transatlantic slave trade but there was a transatlantic race war. The same people here had a universal culture that eventually was transferred across the globe long before there was any split between the continents. All the lies were written by our conquerors to further displace us to ensure colonization of our minds and our imagination so we are unable to know ourselves as a collective or our true nationality and heritage and to confuse our lawful claim to lands and wealth stolen.
The maroons just want to distance them self from being called a Jamaican. Let's face it no one wants to be a Jamaican they would change their nationality in an instant.
I think they just want to face the Cockpit Country. That's a very good thing.
A yu crazy if yu tink nobady no waan turn Jamaican.
The Maroons are definitely indigenous people. The escape African slaves start having children with the Tainos and that is who the Maroons are. They are like the Metis indigenous people of Canada. The Maroons are descendant of mix race.
Would we say the indigenous Metis of Canada are not indigenous people because they are Plain Cree mix with French Canadian.
Crap
Same thing me say
Non of what this scholar says, points to autonomy and send governance as a sovereign state. The general understanding and accepted meaning of indigenous still means originally of that place. As far as many of us are aware the Arawak Indians are the only indigenous ppl of Jamaica. We cannot just change the rules to suit our narrative. I do not know all these tahini ppl so I'm open to be educated.
Having control over the political, social and financial affairs makes you autonomous.
Yikes you're a bit behind, the Arawak narrative has already been dispelled... see: Tainos, furthermore it is actually not farfetched that the "Tainos" were black in appearance!
Where is the archaeological evidence that supports the existence of the Taino or Arawak or this the stuff that we read in European history books. History written by the victor is to be taken with a grain of salt because it’s usually filled with lies to support his cultural dominance among other propaganda concerns. Columbus and his like were Conquistadors who happen to stumble upon places and people they know nothing of while looking for elsewhere and they were guided by maps that were not drawn by Europeans. When you locate the sites Tainos and Arawak that prove their archaeological mark on the land then let me know because I’m sure people that live tens of thousands of years can’t disappear without archaeological trace that is just impossible. Great story though to continue displacement of those here of Asiatic descent and confusing their lineage and lawful claim to restitution for the land and wealth stolen and to indigenous rights.
@@blacklight3596 I am not a historian just a rational thinker. My starting place is with a question. Where is the evidence that disproves the written evidence of the arwacks being the original inhabitants of Jamaica. Not saying that it's not there, just that I have not seen it. When you look at the Americas, there is overwhelming evidence of what the people liked back then. The Indians tribes of the USA. Are not dissimilar in feature from the Aztecs and the Mayans. Even until this day the Peruvians still show a great degree of that appearance. Can we check if Peru was a slave colony? This brings me back to the original point or question for that matter. How did the maroons became indigenous to Jamaica? We know how they became a free people who were not subject to the same treatment as the rest of those transported had to endure. When the treaty was signed in 1838/9 they were allowed to keep land. They lived independent without persecution. They did not want to be rolled by the crown so they were given self governance rule by the crown. They were not given a state. This narrative that they are independent and sovereign state is ridiculous to say the least. There is no reparation for them, as they did not suffer the indignity like the slaves that remained enslave suffered. Rather than losing land they were allowed to keep what they claimed to be there own. They kept their names whilst the enslaved lost theirs. Sorry I went is point but the treaty still exists and can be read to see the details. Plus, the whole matter of the maroons having a state was settled in court. That paper is also available.
@@web-angel but not a be state
I am wondering which school this lady attended to be talking 👄 so much foolishness, and claiming to be a university 🎓 graduates. I don't believed she really understand what the word indigenous people really read at all, because the African slaves came and saw other people who. Was living in the country occupying it,so they cannot be any form of indigenous people at all. Most of those people who are claiming to be a university graduates 🎓, they are giving people wrong information 💁♀️. Becaused university is a place of researches centers, it is very easy now adays to get all the information from Google. Becaused it is the same thing they are doing to get their information, but if that lady 👩 was knowledgeable to what she is saying. She wouldn't be coming on social media talking her nonsensical argument, because the very first thing to commenced. There is no tribe that came to Jamaica named Maroons, let me really established that for her. I started my schooling in Jamaica in 1962,so I don't want nobody with their nonsensical arguments. Telling me any form of their stupidity, that lady is very, very crazy 😜. Let me see if I can really help her and many more people, because she is misleading the Jamaican population. Telling them that she studied history at such a university, they are teaching her wrong information. It does not matter how many degrees that she may claiming to have, I know that she is very much lacking proper knowledge of what she is saying. The word Maroons came from a Spanish word named Cimarron, and it means in English fierce or unruly. Also the two tribes that came to Jamaica during slavery, they names was Ashanti and the kamaranti, and the language that they spoke, was akon.Not like what some of those fools is talking about potwa,and they spelled the word incorrectly according to the syllabus. The Maroons autonomy is some runaway slaves during the wars between England and Spain 🇪🇸, and the some of the slaves joined up with the English to fight the Spanish authorities and. They runaway up into the mountains and formed gangsters of fighters, the 1st person who was called the chief of the runaway slaves. Which was called Maroons, was named Juan de bolas in St,Catherine not no Nanny. Also her brothers them came to Jamaica 🇯🇲 long after, so the whole concept about the Maroons autonomy is wrong. What she is talking about also chief Curry 🍛 about the treaty,between England 🇬🇧 and the Maroons autonomy. On August 6th 1962 independence of Jamaica 🇯🇲, I was at the national stadium 🏟. When the queen 👸 of England sister gave the pm of Jamaica the letter, that England 🇬🇧 handed over the country back to Jamaicans and. It didn't nothing mentioned about the Maroons autonomy lands, so the government of Jamaica and. The Maroons never signed any form of agreement about the lands they occupied, so it is really up to the government ministers them. If they want to recognized the people who is claiming to be Maroons, or not. Becaused the government ministers them is the new owners of Jamaica 🇯🇲,so they agreement with the Maroons and the queen 👸 of England 🇬🇧. It was ended on August 6th 1962 independence day of Jamaica 🇯🇲, it is in the hands of different ownership. It is really ironic to see some people who is elaborating themselves how educated they are,and talking 👄 so much nonsensical arguments. Becaused they read without understanding, or they does not read the entire information about the Maroons autonomy at all. If they did read it, they would realized that there is nobody named Maroons. That those people is some runaway slaves that formed of freedom fighters, and those same slaves. Was so wicked against the other slaves them, they useto run 🏃♂️ them and catches them. Then sold them back to the slaves masters them, also they was the ones who ran down Paul Bogle and George William Gordon into the hills of Portland and, captured them and. Turned them over to the British soldiers them to be hang, that is what that lady 👩 should reminds herself. There is a lot of people who wasn't born or grow up in Jamaica, and they knows more about the country. Than who is born and grow up there, I was born in Jamaica and grew up there. How can I listened to people who was not born there, to tell me certain things which I know it is not true. Just like the day of independence August 6th 1962,how can I listened to people. Who was born after independence August 6th 1962 to tell me something, about that day and. They was not born as yet or living there, while I was apart of the celebration 🍾. I would a damn fool to listened to someone who is just speculating about certain issues, it does not matter how many degrees they may have to their names. It does not matter at all, because they are only speculating. Which I can say I was on the scene witnessed what was taking place, but the Jamaican people them. Have a tendency because he or she may attended certain information, they will always trying to used it to manipulated some people. Who will gravitated to their kind of hypocrisy behavior, with their nonsensical arguments. But this lady 👩 needs to go back and do some research, because she is giving people some wrong information 💁♀️. I don't cares what is her name and what kind of degrees, that she is claiming to have. She is just talking 👄 a lot of nonsensical arguments, she is just misleading some Jamaicans who is knowledgeable about the history of the Maroons autonomy. I know that you have some cyber bullies Jamaicans people, I know about some of them dogmatic behaviour. So it does not matter what some of them want to say, because I already know the intricacies about some of them already. With the kind of classesism problem, who is more intelligent or educated than the other. With this black crabs 🦀 inner barrel mentality against each other, this kind of hypocrisy behavior is going on for hundreds. So all who want to criticized or challenge my comment, they are very much free to do so with their egotistical behaviour towards me ok .
you sound like a christian who thinks he is black" because he has brown skin...now who is delusional! Oh and by the way Boyd is an European name SELLOUT!
I know the Arawak Indians are the indigenous people don't know how you have the maroon as that
Look at the definition of indigenous again, and it will make sense to you.
@@elfredawright No!!!! You should look at the definition again and present to us what you know from what your research unearth that would render the Maroons indigenous. Please reveal it to us…..since you know something we do not.
@@dmorw9601 deep in your mind your are trying to discredit your own people but if a white man tell that Maroons are indigenous and sovereign you would accept it without any question just like you accept white jesus
@@antoniobaret7928 ppl that try to discredit Maroons are just doing white ppl work for them. They must be sitting in the UK eating popcorn watching
@@maroonprince Accompong Maroons were already doing white people work when they signed a treaty with the British which had the clause that they should return runaway slaves and also help the British in wartime to suppress rebellions which involved other black people who were still enslaved and no runaways. And still clutch and clammer at the hope that such a treaty could still be valid today. I’m sure you must be aware of the second maroon war between the trelawney town and accompong maroons. And hmm idk? Maybe Tacky’s revolt on which the Maroons handed over Tacky to be hanged? Sounds a lot like the Maroons more than anything want to dissociate themselves from other black Jamaicans while also still wanting such a treaty which stipulated all those clauses to still be valid. It’s sad. And let me just clarify not ALL Maroons as only the Accompong Maroons signed the treaty, after which they tried to conquer the trelawney town maroons and black peoples that were enslaved or runaways, on behalf of the British! Nanny’s side also didn’t sign, so let’s be very clear on that.