LUMO vs. LNER: I travel by train from London to Edinburgh on both services to spot the difference.

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  • Опубліковано 16 гру 2024

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  • @cyrildhy8993
    @cyrildhy8993 2 роки тому +28

    Just booked Kings Cross to Inverness first class £88.10 on LNER This includes food, drinks and the use of first class lounge with refreshments . The bad news, the seats on all the Japanese 800 class are hard. Do miss the HST seats

    • @cliffsofmoher4220
      @cliffsofmoher4220 2 роки тому +1

      Why not take the national express bus it's way cheaper than train

    • @greena3464
      @greena3464 2 роки тому +5

      @@cliffsofmoher4220 cos it’s like 10 hours lmao

    • @cliffsofmoher4220
      @cliffsofmoher4220 2 роки тому

      @@greena3464 yeah but it makes no sense if its 10 hours that means they have to pay the bus drivers more but on train there is more passengers and less time on train mean they pay them less and it runs of electricity so I don't see why trains are more expensive than bus logics don't add up

    • @typhoon-7
      @typhoon-7 2 роки тому +3

      @@cliffsofmoher4220 its not just the driver's wages. The bus has a driver so does the train but they're not paid the same. Then the train also has another 3 or 4 staff depending on route. Then there's the operational and maintenance costs. A train costs a lot more to build, lease and run than a bus. By an order of magnitude. A 9 coach class 800 costs many tens of millions. A modern coach costs a couple of hundred grand. The maintenance of the train is far more expensive. Those people need paying too. Cleaning it take more people than a bus. Track access charges, insurance, etc... Etc...

    • @cliffsofmoher4220
      @cliffsofmoher4220 2 роки тому

      @@typhoon-7 so the train tracks are maintained by rail company's like LNER or Cross Country

  • @marygarner5249
    @marygarner5249 2 роки тому +9

    Love this channel thank you for taking us along SCOTT 😁💟💟💟💟

    • @PlanesTrainsEverything
      @PlanesTrainsEverything  2 роки тому +6

      Thanks Mary. I'm glad you appreciate the effort put into my little channel.

  • @steve-marsh
    @steve-marsh 2 роки тому +11

    Fantastic. Still haven't tried Lumo for myself, so thanks for this Scott!

    • @cameronc393
      @cameronc393 2 роки тому +4

      Timetable challenge / race between the two best Scottish travel UA-camrs surely has to happen!

    • @benalowery
      @benalowery 2 роки тому +5

      It's definitely worth a try Steve, if you take the Lumo trains north from London you get to go on the little used line that cuts out York completely. It only happens going Northbound though, the train still passes through the station going south

    • @steve-marsh
      @steve-marsh 2 роки тому +3

      @@benalowery Cheers Ben! Definitely on the research list now for good fares :)

    • @PlanesTrainsEverything
      @PlanesTrainsEverything  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks Steve. It's always great fun doing these videos. If people enjoy them, then that's a bonus.

    • @PlanesTrainsEverything
      @PlanesTrainsEverything  2 роки тому +3

      Now that's an idea! I did the challenge between Glasgow and London to see what was the quickest - air or train. I've often thought about an Edinburgh-London challenge. Maybe one day!!! 😁

  • @FormallyknownasE100
    @FormallyknownasE100 2 роки тому +28

    There are a few more differences. If a limo train is cancelled you have to wait for the next limo which can be a very long wait. The power backup for limo is only for 'hotel' services not for actually moving the train unlike LNER's. I've tried both and would generally just go with whoever is cheaper. I do find that with Lumo the newcastle stop is chaos as there are so many people changing.

  • @clarea1801
    @clarea1801 6 місяців тому +1

    Loved seeing Welwyn garden city, reminds me of going home

  • @stuartwilkie4887
    @stuartwilkie4887 Рік тому +5

    I think it's excellent that a new company is providing service competition. Thank you for the excellent breakdown. I can definitely see a good market for the service. For me, I'll be fairly likely to call into York or stop further up the line in Kirkcaldy. Also, I think the ability to transfer tickets could be very useful in the event of unit failure. I imagine the food would be better on an LNER train, but if I'm wrong I'll stand corrected. Lastly, the added capacity of first class could be a bonus for late booking (if one has the money), and the next available train is wanted. All in all, I think it's a great idea and I wish them good luck.

  • @colinrenfrew48
    @colinrenfrew48 2 роки тому +6

    Refreshingly different content. Hugely enjoyable. Keep these reviews coming!

  • @cpu939
    @cpu939 2 роки тому +4

    only traveled on LNER and to say the standard class seats are hard is an understatement, diamonds are softer

    • @smogmonster1876
      @smogmonster1876 Рік тому +1

      Yeah I agree. The seats on the Azuma trains are as hard as bell metal and I’m told the same is true of the Lumo too.
      The most comfortable seats are on the Mk 4 coaches of the class 91s.
      A lot of trains are using the ironing board type seats now the class 156 printers and the class 158 all have them too.
      If I had a choice between a class, 91 or Azuma I choose the class 91 every time.

  • @ploppumpernickel291
    @ploppumpernickel291 2 роки тому +6

    The Flying Scotsman is actually an LNER express from Edinburgh to London that takes just four hours, quicker than LUMO, but it runs just twice a day.

  • @t.rexroadtrip3041
    @t.rexroadtrip3041 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for this comparison. I will be making my first journey on this route in just over a month. We decided on LNER mostly for the first class offering, which was affordable when we booked it several months ago. But I am surprised now how many different ways there are to get from London to Edinburgh. You folks have it really good over there. The Lumo service is intriguing, and it will probably be worth checking out at some point in the future. Thanks! Also, wow. Newcastle’s train station is a real beauty.

  • @pierrecaron8731
    @pierrecaron8731 2 роки тому +12

    Last November visiting from Canada I took the lner(wich I keep on calling liner) from London to Edinburgh, I enjoyed it very much but the best thing was the scenery.

  • @hughpightling33
    @hughpightling33 2 роки тому +6

    Hi Scott, many thanks for all your videos, which have kept me going in quarantine from the dreaded Covid. In particular, I love your forays across La Manche. Re the difference between the two versions of the Hitachi trains that the outfits run, Lumo's are purely leccy, but the LNER version you were on was going North of Waverley to Inverness, where there is no OHLE provided, so it would have fired up its diesel engines as soon as it was out of the station on its way North. Before the arrival of the Azumas, this route was run by the dear old HSTs, some all the way from London. Ciao Hugh

  • @Ven100
    @Ven100 2 роки тому +15

    Took Lumo London to Edinburgh. The seats are way more comfortable.
    Also when I did my GPS test, it did reach the max 125 MPH.

    • @kevinpoulton
      @kevinpoulton 2 роки тому

      They all do 125 mph

    • @markpritchard
      @markpritchard 2 роки тому

      @@kevinpoulton The train could actuly do 140mph but they are only aloud to go up to 125 mph. To go faster they need to fit in cab signalling.

    • @kevinpoulton
      @kevinpoulton 2 роки тому

      @@markpritchard yes I know

  • @garymcgregor7048
    @garymcgregor7048 Рік тому +1

    There the same trains in design, just different interiors and prices. Great video Scott.

  • @Gus0898uk
    @Gus0898uk 2 роки тому +4

    I have not travelled on Lumo yet, but it is on my hit list as it travels on the York avoiding line on it's northbound journey.

    • @poshlad6275
      @poshlad6275 2 роки тому

      Not worth it, please don’t do it. Uncomfortable seats, food every 3 HOURS don’t do it please!

  • @chrispaw1
    @chrispaw1 2 роки тому +17

    What id have liked is more footage of the train, the buffet cart, the toilet, the carriage just as a guide.?

  • @erikramaekers63
    @erikramaekers63 2 роки тому +2

    So many beautiful landmarks (Erik from Belgium)

  • @suchcone
    @suchcone Рік тому +2

    Just found your channel and really enjoying it! you have a great manner and it's great to come along on your journeys

  • @josephturner4047
    @josephturner4047 2 роки тому +55

    I was 35 years on the railway and I can tell you, nothing will surpass the comfort of a Mark 1 carriage.

    • @johnthomas5966
      @johnthomas5966 2 роки тому +13

      Well maybe a Mk 3? (40 years on the railway)

    • @That1TransportLover
      @That1TransportLover 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed

    • @nickedwards2904
      @nickedwards2904 2 роки тому +6

      @@johnthomas5966 mark 3s never surpassed , we have gone backwards since. I used to go from wolves to london as a kid and occasionally upgraded to first, those orange seats with the little white pillows, so so comfy

    • @Bungle2010
      @Bungle2010 2 роки тому +3

      Death traps.

    • @simonholliday9874
      @simonholliday9874 2 роки тому

      Hear, hear.

  • @MidlandRailEnthusiast
    @MidlandRailEnthusiast Рік тому

    Yet another fantastic video I enjoyed watching this review of Lumo and LNER I look forward to watching many more of your videos

  • @FlaThunderstorm
    @FlaThunderstorm 2 роки тому

    Excellent video. Very comprehensive and I can actually understand clearly what he is saying at all times unlike some videos where they either have a mask on, the audio is otherwise muffled, or a language other than English is used with no subtitles. .

  • @peterg957
    @peterg957 2 роки тому +8

    I used to drive the 43's out of Kings X up the ECML... With 4500 hp under the bonnet ( 2250 hp ) one up front and one up the botty there was plenty of power on tap... Pulling out of the station on notch five with the Paxman Valenta turbo's screaming their little heads off and clouds of exhaust smoke ( sorry Greta Thunberg ) was something to behold with more excitement to enjoy... 125 mph here we come although they would top 148 mph... Now there is food for thought but as I did not fancy tea and biscuits with the Boss well need I say more...

    • @MervynPartin
      @MervynPartin 2 роки тому +1

      It was also quite an experience when the 91s were introduced before the Mk4 coaches were available. After it was found that the 43s being used as a DVT on the other end of a HST set were suffering engine problems on idle revs, adding their 2250hp to that of the 91 made for some spirited performance. And of course, that lovely sound of the Valenta's turbos could still be heard.

    • @gfgfgf466
      @gfgfgf466 2 роки тому +1

      Sadly a bygone era

    • @peterg957
      @peterg957 2 роки тому

      @@gfgfgf466 Yes indeed my friend...

    • @daveb0789
      @daveb0789 2 роки тому

      Azumas are far superior on electric to HSTs. In fact a 2+9 Valenta HST set could never keep to todays ECML schedules particularly the ones with lots of stops.

  • @TarrelScot
    @TarrelScot 2 роки тому +6

    Very useful comparison. Interesting comment about Lumo giving a smoother ride. We just did the Inverness-London run last Sunday (LNER 1st class) and I found that last stretch from York to London really bumpy and uncomfortable, so if the Lumo's trains can improve on that it's a bonus. I had wondered about trying bus Inverness-Edinburgh (free, as I'm of a certain vintage!) followed by Lumo to London, but it sounds like the pricing on the Lumo is similar to LNER, so probably not a lot to gain.
    Edit to add; it would be interesting to see (hear?) a comparison of what I call the "See It, Say It, Sorted" factor. The LNER service is plagued by a constant litany of announcements - many pre-recorded but then duplicated by the guard. If Lumo has a lower SeeSaySort factor then that's a bonus in my book!

    • @TarrelScot
      @TarrelScot Рік тому

      @@derektaylor2941 Yes, probably.

  • @personwhotalkstomuch4898
    @personwhotalkstomuch4898 2 роки тому +1

    My son used Lumo from Edinburgh back to Kings Cross & he wasn’t too impressed. He is 6ft 2in tall & is a rugby player, so he is of a stocky muscular build. He wanted to use his laptop to do some work, but he couldn’t because his knees where up against the seat in front so he couldn’t use the table. He was also sat at a seat between windows which he said made him feel like he was in an aircraft. He prefers LNER because they also stop at our local station Grantham so he can get a connecting train to see his parents on the Lincs coast

  • @scootbenet
    @scootbenet 2 роки тому +8

    The key with Lumo is book early. I've had prices as low as £15 Edinburgh to London (with railcard). Not had that cheap on LNER.
    Tge big thing I did notice is Lumo have next o no space for bigger luggage.

  • @stefaniestutz1597
    @stefaniestutz1597 2 роки тому

    OMG Scott! Just googled Lumo vs LNER and your little video popped up! Finally visiting London and Edinburgh again in a few weeks.. and just booked my Lumo ticket to Edinburgh :-) would be cool to catch up if possible!

  • @benalowery
    @benalowery 2 роки тому +14

    I travel regularly between Newcastle and London and I have to say that I prefer LNER. I have travelled Lumo a couple of times and I like their trains and staff but there's more of a back up should something happen. With LNER you can just travel on the next train but with Lumo there doesn't seem to be any agreement with LNER to accept tickets in the event of cancellations. My friend was told to travel via the WCML and to change at Carlisle when his train was cancelled.
    Another thing with the Lumo 803 sets is that the batteries on them can't actually move the train in the event of an overhead line failure, they can only keep things such as power and HVAC units going where the LNER class 801s are fully bi-mode

    • @PlanesTrainsEverything
      @PlanesTrainsEverything  2 роки тому +5

      That was one thing I forgot to mention - staff. I didn't see staff on either train apart from ticket inspectors. I thought they would wheel a food trolley along the train, but nothing on either service. Point taken about Lumo... they're OK as long as things go fine, but as soon as there's a glitch, it's a long wait between trains. I hadn't realised the LNER sets could move using the diesel power. I had assumed it was for lights etc. Thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.

    • @alexmcwhirter6611
      @alexmcwhirter6611 2 роки тому +5

      You make a good point. Lumo claims its units are 'greener' as they are electric power. But LNER can score if and when there's infrastructure failure over the ECML because *some* units are bi-mode. In addition LNER operates roughly every 30 mins during the week.

    • @craigallan93
      @craigallan93 2 роки тому +3

      To add further, LNER’s 801 units are fully electric however have 1 Diesel engine to move the train in the event of OHLE power loss. Does certainly get the train going but at a much reduced speed. 800s are fully bi-mode. I’ve witnessed a Lumo train sit for 4hours awaiting rescuing or for power to be restored whereas LNER units managed to continue. Also witnessed Lumo passengers awaiting said train be left stranded with no help as Lumo do not staff stations nor are they easy to contact. LNER obviously have plenty station staff and are easy to contact via other means. To me, that’s the real winner.

    • @alexmcwhirter6602
      @alexmcwhirter6602 2 роки тому +3

      @@craigallan93 Indeed. There have been at least two occasions when Lumo has had to cancel its schedules owing to power failure/track damage along the ECML... notably between Edinburgh and Newcastle. On the other hand LNER could still operate via a diversion.

  • @WINGSANDRAILS
    @WINGSANDRAILS 11 місяців тому

    Doing London - Newcastle in a few weeks. Thanks for the video

  • @MrVorpalsword
    @MrVorpalsword 2 роки тому +4

    Big one for me would be if a train company would dare turn the lights OFF for night trains. As a very frequent traveller on night time services, it would be a major improvement ..... u can see out if the lights are dimmed in a train at night and its wonderful - if u have never experienced this, you haven't lived - the Lumo trains do have the option of doing this because they have individual reading lamps - and it was my interpretation of the pre-publicity that that is what they would do ...... do they?

  • @send2gl
    @send2gl Рік тому +1

    That was interesting, was under the impression Lumo were cheaper.

  • @KanishQQuotes
    @KanishQQuotes 2 роки тому +4

    Love the deep blue color of the lumo
    They also have a very no frills approach to the journey.
    The seats are great for short journey (less than 5 hours)

  • @azzawhite2946
    @azzawhite2946 2 роки тому +5

    What was the catering service like? Was it at seat, a buffet car or just available to first class passengers

  • @markcherriman6136
    @markcherriman6136 2 роки тому +2

    Letting us know the cost of tickets etc would be a great addition to your videos .

  • @Kijin-13
    @Kijin-13 2 роки тому +15

    the first-class of lner is very cheap and cost-effective (for advanced tickets)
    and lumo's advanced tickets are hard to buy
    there is little difference between the price of lumo's off-peak tickets and lner's first-class advanced tickets
    so I would prefer lner

  • @drrev40
    @drrev40 2 роки тому +2

    Travelled on both and two things won it for me, but in favour of LNER. First LNER have a buffet car so you can get food and drink if you wish throughout your journey. Second, there was a weekend with line problems. LNER due to the diesel engines were able to take a detour in the Newcastle area. Lumo had to cancel as the battery only powers the lights and aircon. Oh I guess also LNER goes further north so you aren't just limited to Edinburgh. I can jump on at Inverkeithing. Lumo interior is nicer than second class LNER though.

  • @whyyoulidl
    @whyyoulidl 2 роки тому +4

    Thx! I had to cancel my own Lumo Vs LNER challenge earlier in the year due to self-isolating but hope to re-attempt over the summer. Love your content and down-to-earth presentation as always :-)

  • @shuheisuzuki2180
    @shuheisuzuki2180 2 роки тому +2

    Good video!
    I want to take a Lumo someday.

  • @masere
    @masere 2 роки тому +1

    LNER diesels have amazing leather seats in 1st class. The Azumas have horrendous fabric seats in 1st.
    Book an advance standard class, then use Seatfrog to get a 1st upgrade for around £10, and you can use the lounges at stations with all the free food and drinks there, as well as the food on the train.

    • @Bungle2010
      @Bungle2010 2 роки тому

      LNER don't have any diesels, apart from the 800s and they have the same seats as the other trains/

    • @masere
      @masere 2 роки тому

      @@Bungle2010 the ones that aren't Azumas I assumed they were diesels?

    • @mathstrains19
      @mathstrains19 2 роки тому

      @@masere They are class 91 electric trains! (Well, class 91 electric loc, 9 mk1 (might be mk3 or something else), and a DVT)

  • @rashakawa
    @rashakawa 2 роки тому +4

    Good to see you "rusty". Funny I was literally talking about you and your channels yesterday... I was saying that I love your channels and how it must have been incredibly difficult to do your day job because of... Well we all know why. Cough cough.
    Hopefully you'll post something new on the other channel. See ya soon hopefully.

    • @PlanesTrainsEverything
      @PlanesTrainsEverything  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Sean and thanks for your comment. Rusty has taken a well earned break as he doesn't have a car, and carting a metal detector, shovel and all of the other bits and pieces on public transport is not the done thing. As time goes on, I'm having to look further afield for ideas, which is also a challenge without a car. Rusty will return...

    • @rashakawa
      @rashakawa 2 роки тому

      @@PlanesTrainsEverything No place better to look than your own backyard... Plus it's cheap on the petrol. LoL we all understand definitely do I don't drive at all. Im a walker or bike rider... Most the time if I can't walk there or ride my bike there they probably don't need to be going there that's where I see it at least. Good luck man

  • @shamilton2556
    @shamilton2556 Рік тому

    Traveled Lumo. Watch your luggage if you are getting on at Newcastle - train was rammed, we had reservations, but the carriage position of the train did not match advice at station, so joined a scrum, nowhere for luggage. Staff made me move it and told me my suitcase was too big. But they are smart trains.

  • @iam433
    @iam433 2 роки тому +4

    It’s interesting watching someone get caught up in the idea that if a train runs non-stop London to Newcastle that it must be quicker than one that makes a few stops. If I read it right Lumo was allowed 2 hours 58 minutes for that run to Newcastle yet LNER’s fastest runs are 2 hours 52 minutes calling York & Darlington also. Lumo is squeezed on to an already busy railway and so pays for it in slower paths despite fewer stops but price will swing the decision for most people although I’d think LNER would match those low prices.

    • @TarrelScot
      @TarrelScot 2 роки тому +1

      Also, I understand the Azuma's acceleration is faster than its predecessors, so that will reduce further any time penalty caused by multiple stops.

  • @billyboy9675
    @billyboy9675 2 роки тому +2

    How was the tea and coffee? Were the restrooms clean? And a question that perhaps can’t be answered, but would the conductors on both lines react the same way to fights or rowdy passengers?

  • @youwot2430
    @youwot2430 2 роки тому

    Excellent video scott mate

  • @grahamdavidcowley
    @grahamdavidcowley 2 роки тому +3

    Tried Lumo and LNER. Lumo is vastly inferior, being rather crowded. I find the seats in LNER to be ok, although the HST ones were better. Lumo may be cheaper, but you can tell its cheaper.

  • @folksinger2100
    @folksinger2100 2 роки тому +1

    Best uk train operator i have ever used was the Wrexham and Shropshire.

  • @presspound7358
    @presspound7358 2 роки тому +3

    Since they’re not about to change the carriage seats anytime soon… a frequent traveller would do well to carry some kind of memory foam gel pad in his/her satchel. Would potentially make travelling more comfortable. An excellent Holiday gift. And …no … I do not promote or work for such a manufacturer…. in fact I don’t know if such a cushion/pad exists. 😉
    Cheers 🥂 🇨🇦

    • @robineur
      @robineur 2 роки тому +2

      You can find them on Amazon...

    • @personwhotalkstomuch4898
      @personwhotalkstomuch4898 2 роки тому

      I actually do this whenever I travel between Grantham & Newcastle. My back is fine for the 1st hr or so, but then I start to get the ‘num bottom’ feeling

  • @DavidDartley
    @DavidDartley 10 місяців тому

    Can I get some opinions on which route has the nicer views, between London to Edinburgh on the east coast vs. London to Glasgow on the west coast? Different UK cousins are telling me different things! TY

  • @That1TransportLover
    @That1TransportLover 2 роки тому +1

    I wish lumo ran to Leeds. Hope they do in future

  • @glasgowground9346
    @glasgowground9346 Рік тому

    Hi Scott,really good to meet you today,so sorry I interrupted your video,hope you can forgive me for that..love your work..

  • @Chumpmonksvideos8885
    @Chumpmonksvideos8885 9 місяців тому +1

    There's lots of class 800/1/2s!

  • @nateayi
    @nateayi 2 роки тому +14

    Great vid, but the top speed of those trains (803/801) is actually 140mph! They're limited to 125 by the speed limits on that line, but they're set to be increased.

    • @axwleurope9519
      @axwleurope9519 2 роки тому +4

      I think a high speed line is a must for the distance

    • @alexmcwhirter6611
      @alexmcwhirter6611 2 роки тому +3

      Don't hold your breath. Virgin Trains bought its Pendolinos for 140 mph running many ears ago. These units remain the backbone of the WCML with (now) Avanti WC but guess their top operational speed today !

    • @timbounds7190
      @timbounds7190 2 роки тому +6

      The top speed of the old Class 91 / mark5 carriage sets was also 140mph. It was thought that the line limit would be increased soon, but that was in 1991!! I heard recently that BR did a special test run with a Class91 set and got over 155mph out of it! There again, there were reports that the old IC125 would be found to be travelling well over 125 on occasion....

    • @nateayi
      @nateayi 2 роки тому +2

      @@timbounds7190 I hope they pull through this time. Hope. Because seeing 80x trains fulfill the objectives of the 91 would be like their legacy living on. And hey, maybe they'll refurbish the seats so there are no complaints.

    • @oliverstemp9132
      @oliverstemp9132 2 роки тому +2

      Will never happen

  • @tbseverythingadobe4999
    @tbseverythingadobe4999 Рік тому

    How much does it cost per person? From London to Scotland?

  • @Everythingwithonehand
    @Everythingwithonehand 2 роки тому

    There are several LNER services a day that don’t have as many stops as the one you took that extends to Inverness.

  • @Cdnsubmariner
    @Cdnsubmariner 9 місяців тому

    Can either train accommodate large luggage?

  • @nancywysemen7196
    @nancywysemen7196 2 роки тому

    thank-you.

  • @davidsaxon1776
    @davidsaxon1776 2 роки тому +1

    I've been on lumo unfortunately there is not enough luggage space

  • @mcollier4566
    @mcollier4566 Рік тому

    Interesting re: tickets, guessing open tickets which do not specify an operator would not be valid on Lumo if it's pre-booked Lumo tickets only? Little bit restrictive in that respect.

  • @SimonEllwood
    @SimonEllwood 2 роки тому

    Surprised it was your first time at Newcastle station I have been there many times. The Lumo service seems very limited and does not seem to stop at Peterborough where I live. A shame really.

  • @lovefive5733
    @lovefive5733 2 роки тому

    A great video, you now have a new subscriber .
    Thank you

  • @COLINJELY
    @COLINJELY 2 роки тому

    Catering? How long is the trip?

  • @philipbrailey
    @philipbrailey Рік тому

    This looks too complicated for little old me, I think I’ll fly. But thanks for posting.

  • @keithsanders6554
    @keithsanders6554 2 роки тому +1

    Lomo OK if you want to go the full distance or use Newcastle or Morpeth. No good if you wish to use Berwick, Durham, Darlington, York, Doncaster, or Peterbrough and a few other stations so hardly a fair comparison.

  • @superseven220
    @superseven220 2 роки тому

    How does the ticket price compare?

  • @manchester1972
    @manchester1972 2 роки тому +1

    You reaming me of the chief officer on porridge what was his name.. Lol.. You must have an army background as you are like my ex seargent major.... But I enjoy the vlogs to be fair.....

  • @chriso8485
    @chriso8485 2 роки тому

    Are the first class seats more comfortable?

  • @Moe-Neamah
    @Moe-Neamah 2 роки тому

    Do me favore if you answer my question please !! Is it cold in Scotland on May or not .I would prepare for trip to it on May.! Thnx

    • @missmayflower
      @missmayflower 2 роки тому

      Google is your friend. Lots of websites answer this question.

    • @epender
      @epender 2 роки тому

      It's always cold in Scotland, you're welcome.

  • @ronalddailey5208
    @ronalddailey5208 2 роки тому +2

    Great job on the video.

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 2 роки тому

    I’d say Lumo because they are brand new and only stop at key stations including Newcastle, Morpeth and Edinburgh Waverley. Whilst LNER operates services on the ECML and along the East Coast and are to expand more services. Including to Harrogate and Middlesbrough. And possibly LNER could expand to Scarborough, Cleethorpes, Grimsby Town, Whitby, Battersby and Hartlepool. And some Lumo Class 803 trains do stop at Stevenage.

    • @Bungle2010
      @Bungle2010 2 роки тому

      What use is stopping only at key statons if the journey is slower anyway?

  • @michaelcampin1464
    @michaelcampin1464 2 роки тому

    You missed out the Penshaw Monument just as you left Durham

  • @robertp.wainman4094
    @robertp.wainman4094 2 роки тому +15

    Glad you thought it good - but unfortunately Lumo is just yet another ''brand' owned by First Group. If they can operate Lumo in this low cost way why can't they do it with all their brands? Your mention of people travelling with the 'wrong company' tickets only reinforces my feeling of how very unwelcoming the boarding announcements are on UK trains. I have yet to try Lumo so shouldn't judge too harshly and hope I'll be pleasantly surprised - but have to say I found it's launch and subsequent advertising just full of - quite corny - marketing blah. Roll on 'Great British Railways' - and the long overdue simplification of fares and hopefully much improved services for travellers.

    • @chriswalford4161
      @chriswalford4161 2 роки тому +2

      I predict however simple the fares structure becomes, the government will still keep them extortionate.

  • @andrewjameson5918
    @andrewjameson5918 2 роки тому

    You mentioned coat hooks, but I always wonder why you never take your jacket off any journey? Sometimes you wear your hat as well inside

  • @graemefargie9334
    @graemefargie9334 2 роки тому

    Was on lumo last week great service better than lner if you want to travel standard class

  • @DEREKM5903
    @DEREKM5903 2 роки тому +1

    The problem is getting past the tickets sales, booked some train tickets with Lumo,, and they made a complete mess of it, not just once but three times, they don't exist as far as im concerned.

  • @danlyle531
    @danlyle531 2 роки тому +2

    It's a shame to hear the lad on your train got caught out by the tickets! I wish we had a simpler ticketing system, the only options I want are single or return (and peak/off peak tickets are a good idea too), it'd be so much easier.

  • @michaelcampin1464
    @michaelcampin1464 2 роки тому

    I use Grand Central from Sunderland. No point in wasting time heading to Newcastle when you can go direct to.London at a cheaper fare

  • @philipdurling1964
    @philipdurling1964 2 роки тому

    LNER seats to Newcastle I found to be so uncomfortable that I had to get up and walk around.

  • @sr6424
    @sr6424 2 роки тому

    LNER have to provide a service. Run trains at less popular timidest etc. Lumo pick and choose the best times for them to run trains.

  • @crc7548
    @crc7548 2 роки тому

    This is the first video of yours I've watched. As I will be visiting Britain next spring I'm interested in learning all I can regarding transportation services throughout the UK. One thing; your comment about backup power on Lumo seems moot to me. What kind of fuel does the backup generator use? Do both lines run on electricity and then switch to diesel if the power drops, or does LNER run diesel continuously? Just wondering. The electricity must come from somewhere.

  • @Bungle2010
    @Bungle2010 2 роки тому

    I'm not sure where you got the impression that Lumo is faster? It's a lot SLOWER!

  • @WaterWorld1
    @WaterWorld1 10 місяців тому

    LUMO can be half the price of LNER (standard seating).

  • @andrewnelson4057
    @andrewnelson4057 2 роки тому

    And how far will Lumo get on their battery power...?

    • @epender
      @epender 2 роки тому +1

      Possibly to the next station, but probably not. The battery is only there because they took the engines out and they needed to put *something * there to replace the lost weight. It's more for lighting and heating in emergency situations.

  • @christinehodge3608
    @christinehodge3608 2 місяці тому

    LNER sounds good value,

  • @marcusallwood9569
    @marcusallwood9569 2 роки тому +1

    Mate to point a couple of things out, there wasn't much point in pointing out speed of the service as yes both are capable of 125mph but there are speed constraints put on different sections of track by network rail, both lease their trains and the seats are a spec of seat thats set by the government, what about catering ? Speed of service to Newcastle is about the same on some lner as they only stop two places and some lumos and lner services are held and set to arrive later or earlier due to fitting into the paths given to them amongst the flow of other trains......if there were no other trains on the track and no stops they'd both do it a lot quicker than either do....the only real difference I can see from your video is a light and USB......oh and yes lumo have battery back up should the worst happen to the overhead line but are you aware that is just too maintain on board services and not to move the train, so if it stops, it stops.....and no other class 800 (800,801,802) can attach to it because of software conflicts on board, except another 803.....that's why they're called EMUs

  • @kevinpoulton
    @kevinpoulton 2 роки тому

    The LNER has to have ICE as it go's on to route with out wires for power and battery would run out before making to the end . Having battery dos means you have lighting and heating when train stoped with out over head power not that you be going anywhere. Not all LNER 800s have ICE. Also sound can be different what coach you in as not all coaches have drive to track

    • @epender
      @epender 2 роки тому

      All 800s have engines for lines in Scotland etc
      It's the 801 which is electric only

    • @kevinpoulton
      @kevinpoulton 2 роки тому

      @@epender sorry I was not clear in my answer . In my reply as I said 800s as in the type of train 800 801 802 803

  • @andrewstorey3395
    @andrewstorey3395 2 роки тому

    I can't afford either. Nor would I ever want to visit Glasgow.

  • @stuartball4639
    @stuartball4639 Рік тому

    LUMO is gimmick service, LNER is far better speaking from experience a few weeks ago. Northallerton one day from Kings Cross then York the next day both bang on time. Order at seat service was excellent & very reasonable prices 👍😊

  • @afcgeo882
    @afcgeo882 2 роки тому +1

    So… which one ended up being your favourite in the end?

    • @tonytee2107
      @tonytee2107 2 роки тому +2

      He preferred LUMO on that day. He said the little things like reading light and back-up battery power won it for him.

  • @daxyboy2210
    @daxyboy2210 Рік тому

    Same damn trains…… hitatchi a trains, so depressing. Rock hard seats too

  • @Mgameing123
    @Mgameing123 2 роки тому

    Avanti West Coast should also be in the race

  • @Sierraomega1991
    @Sierraomega1991 2 роки тому

    Assuming this ticketing thing is due to lumo being a open operator and not a franchise like LNER

  • @Listenerandlearner870
    @Listenerandlearner870 2 роки тому +1

    If the LUMO loses overhead power it has to be rescued. If the LNER Class 800 series trains lose overhead power they don't need rescuing. They can travel on to find where the power resumes. Also LNER trains have a buffet car, First Class and at seat meals in part of some trains.

    • @nateayi
      @nateayi 2 роки тому

      LNER use 801s, so they do need to be rescued. They're not bi-mode.

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 2 роки тому +2

      Lets get this all straight… LNER operates both, 800s and 801s, with 801s being newer, but not being truly bi-modal. The 800’s can run on Diesel or electric, but 801s are electric-only, using Diesel generators for auxiliary (not traction) power.
      LUMO only has Class 801s, but LNER has both in service.

    • @Andrewjg_89
      @Andrewjg_89 2 роки тому

      There has been plans to install batteries onto the Lumo Class 803 for emergencies only. The same thing that ScotRail Class 385s to have batteries fitted. Especially to operate on shorter non-electrified lines that would be ideal if electrification has been postponed.

  • @tamwestwater
    @tamwestwater 2 роки тому

    LNER DOES have USB sockets

  • @Charlie20290
    @Charlie20290 2 роки тому

    LNER London North Eastern Railway

  • @jimmunro4649
    @jimmunro4649 2 роки тому

    Why are Seat's so hard on both train I wonder Why do that .Think would have Tested that before went yea Seat will do

    • @davidbisping5000
      @davidbisping5000 2 роки тому +2

      I think all the class 800s are like that, I heard the seat design was outside the control of the TOCs but was government decided, hate them too

  • @rodneyhull9764
    @rodneyhull9764 5 місяців тому

    1st class LNER takes some beating

  • @ronalddailey5208
    @ronalddailey5208 2 роки тому +6

    You're passenger trains are far better than the USA.

    • @iainjones5002
      @iainjones5002 2 роки тому

      It's generally regarded that US Rail networks are about 30 - 40 years behind the UK's systems.

  • @scottiramage317
    @scottiramage317 2 роки тому

    Lumo all electric all good until you have no over head wires… and all those LNER Azuma’s pass with their diesels working

  • @oliverstemp9132
    @oliverstemp9132 2 роки тому +1

    Azuma still feel Virgin to me, which is good. The Lumo livery is so plain and looks unfinished

  • @Listenerandlearner870
    @Listenerandlearner870 Рік тому

    Elner's seats are uncomfortable for such a long journey.

  • @rolandbellamy2837
    @rolandbellamy2837 2 роки тому

    hopefuly lumo will soon stop at Doncaster !