The Italian Invasion of France - 1940

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  • @safffff1000
    @safffff1000 27 днів тому +314

    Please show us the 2 invasions of Germany by the French before Germany Invaded France in WW2

    • @notyrants
      @notyrants 27 днів тому +14

      What? Did that really happen?

    • @noahhess4955
      @noahhess4955 27 днів тому +16

      I’d like a history of the 1887 Franco- Prussian war

    • @MrCarcass1978
      @MrCarcass1978 27 днів тому +20

      ​@@notyrants Ja/Oui.

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 27 днів тому

      @@noahhess4955 Yeah, but not from this Hitler apologist. He has no detachment.

    • @PaxAlotin-j6r
      @PaxAlotin-j6r 27 днів тому +27

      *Saffff1000* Two invasions ?
      I know only of the Saar invasion - which at best was a half-hearted advance.
      The French took only a few dozen kilometers of German territory - before withdrawing.
      They were under the mistaken belief that the area was occupied by German forces on masse.

  • @piercoucy
    @piercoucy 23 дні тому +98

    My father was a sub-lieutenant in the Italian army that attacked the French in the Alps. He commanded a platoon of 3 or 4 Italian mini tanks. He told me that the French placed some pieces of artilliery pointing at the road the Italians had to go through, and that was the end of the fight. No Italian could go any further. It was ridiculous, and it showed from the very beginning that Italy was not ready for war. It lasted few days, I remember my Dad telling me, then he was sent to Libya.

    • @Misses-Hippy
      @Misses-Hippy 20 днів тому +6

      Sub-lieuenant in the Alps! I call BS. Subs would be utterly useless in those mountains, unless you roll them downhilll at the enemy.

    • @Unruly6ixx
      @Unruly6ixx 19 днів тому +13

      @@Misses-Hippy🤣🤣🤣🤔 just say you don’t know what a sub lieutenant is it’s not a submarine lieutenant that’s literally one of the highest ranks for enlisted men in the Italian army

    • @Misses-Hippy
      @Misses-Hippy 18 днів тому +12

      @@Unruly6ixx Glad you got the joke.

    • @nassauguy48
      @nassauguy48 13 днів тому

      And they literally became sitting ducks for the French who almost leisurely mowed them down.

    • @LoadMaster-xl8dp
      @LoadMaster-xl8dp 10 днів тому

      You 100 years old?

  • @janibeg3247
    @janibeg3247 25 днів тому +41

    People need to remember that France was fighting a two front war.

    • @Talyrion
      @Talyrion 13 днів тому +11

      I mean, to be fair... the Italians only declared war at the very end of the Battle of France.
      Which I'm thankful for, we really needed that laugh.

    • @luxhistoriae1172
      @luxhistoriae1172 8 днів тому +3

      ​@@Talyrion they still had to retain hundreds of thousands of troops just for "watche" the Italians

    • @youngdenard264
      @youngdenard264 14 годин тому

      @@TalyrionI don’t think they know that Italians would perform so badly

  • @WPTheRabbitHole
    @WPTheRabbitHole 27 днів тому +136

    that would f***in suck being one of the Italians having to attack forts in those mountains.. smh

    • @GreenLeader-c9e
      @GreenLeader-c9e 27 днів тому +18

      could have just left it at being one of the Italians

    • @Arltratlo
      @Arltratlo 19 днів тому +3

      been there,
      saw the French fortifications...
      no way to sneak on them!

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому +1

      Cowards. "It's too hard! My nails will be ruined!" Lol... these "mighty military powers". 🤣🤣🤣

    • @matteoorlandi856
      @matteoorlandi856 9 днів тому +2

      My father had an uncle that was sens against that. No artillery support, few ammo, no food (he and his comerade had to Hunt deers to eat something decent). After few weeks of slaughter for nothing the germans won and they were allowed to occupy a small chunk of france. Untill 1943 when they were all rounded up by the germans and sent to labor camps, a coal mine in his case.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 9 днів тому +2

      @@matteoorlandi856 btw, my condolances for your uncle.
      My grandfather too fought and perished in war. He was in Russia. Alpino, Artiglieria di Montagna. We found his body in a mass graveyard in Russia some years ago togheter with his comrades.
      Russians have yet to sent his corpse back here in Italy. It's been 80 years away from home and from his family. And we want him to rest alongside the other members of our decesead family. In the Fatherland soil.

  • @ryanlong8122
    @ryanlong8122 27 днів тому +203

    please please PLEASE do an extensive coverage of the weimar republic. normies don’t understand how bad it was and how similar it is to the current west

    • @Bailbondello
      @Bailbondello 27 днів тому +25

      Amen

    • @thanksssd
      @thanksssd 26 днів тому +30

      “normies” - 🤓

    • @baglespelledwrong8159
      @baglespelledwrong8159 26 днів тому +4

      saying normie on site for normies

    • @pdstor
      @pdstor 26 днів тому

      Weimar is where we're heading, not where we are now - we're to having our wages become toilet paper by the end of a year; those poor men had to rush their first half-day's wages to the store everyday over lunch so their earnings wouldn't be completely worthless. There are open and shameless Marxist-Leninists around everywhere just like back then, though.

    • @henocksherlock3340
      @henocksherlock3340 26 днів тому +29

      ​@@thanksssdyes, normies, whose opinion solely depends on what the state mandates as "truth" 🥱🥱🥱

  • @thibaudduhamel2581
    @thibaudduhamel2581 19 днів тому +42

    During that period, french fighter pilot Pierre le Gloan became an ace in a day, by downing 5 italian planes (4 CR 42 biplanes and a BR 20 medium bomber) in a single mission on june the 15th. He was killed in a accident in 1943 while flying a Free French airforce P-39 airacobra. He is one of very few pilots to have shot down planes from Germany, Italy and Great Britain. His final tally was 18 confirmed kills, six Hawker Hurricanes, 4 CR42, 3 BR 20, 2 He 111, 2 Do 17 and a Gloster Gladiator.

    • @kurtcoolson9054
      @kurtcoolson9054 10 днів тому +1

      @thibaudduhamel Why was he shooting down Hurricanes? They were not used by the Luftwaffe or Regia Aeronautica.

    • @thibaudduhamel2581
      @thibaudduhamel2581 10 днів тому +9

      @@kurtcoolson9054 he stayed in the french air force under Vichy control, and as such fought the british empire during the invasion of Syria. After the battle he chose to join the free french rather than being repayriated to France

    • @kurtcoolson9054
      @kurtcoolson9054 10 днів тому +2

      @@thibaudduhamel2581 Ahh..ok. Thanks for setting the record straight 👍

  • @kommissarvalkyre2054
    @kommissarvalkyre2054 27 днів тому +68

    Codreanu Video when?

  • @StephenLuke
    @StephenLuke 27 днів тому +129

    RIP
    To the 40 French and British troops and 640 Fascist Italian troops and navy men who were killed in the Italian Invasion of France

    • @rhysnichols8608
      @rhysnichols8608 27 днів тому +31

      That’s not a good KD for the Italians

    • @Michel411
      @Michel411 27 днів тому +25

      @@rhysnichols8608No it certainly wasn’t. France was already practically defeated by the time the Italians invaded, and yet they inflicted greater casualties on the Italians

    • @Jin-uu5he
      @Jin-uu5he 27 днів тому +26

      ​@@Michel411 I think you have never found yourself faced with the grandeur of the Italian Alps which took away 600,000 Italian soldiers in the First World War alone; whether it was World War I or World War II, these mountains are almost insurmountable natural obstacles that have taken many lives regardless of technological progress; among other things in the second battle of the Western Alps the Free French forces also lost around 600KIA

    • @AbsurdityViewer
      @AbsurdityViewer 27 днів тому +22

      Why do you write 'fascist' Italian troops? Republican French troops and Parliamentary British troops weren't political? Were there non fascist Italian troops? Please explain.

    • @StephenLuke
      @StephenLuke 27 днів тому +1

      @@AbsurdityViewer Italy was under Fascist control under Benito Mussolini! Look it up!

  • @donkongre9026
    @donkongre9026 27 днів тому +30

    The Dieppe invasion of 42 would be a great idea for a future video

    • @ahmadsuleman9045
      @ahmadsuleman9045 7 днів тому +1

      Insane that they let Churchill suggest another amphibious landing after Gallipoli

    • @donkongre9026
      @donkongre9026 День тому

      @@ahmadsuleman9045 Churchill is the HOI4 AI that does random naval invasions

  • @rdq2588
    @rdq2588 14 днів тому +4

    I live in Toulon, in the south of France and go skiing in the Alps, I have seen these fortifications, fucking impressive. Not by the size if the bunkers but by their placement, impossible to impregnate.

  • @rmir0
    @rmir0 27 днів тому +84

    Can you make an episode on the 1936 German Olympics and possibly mention the alleged interactions Hitler had with Jesse Owens? I think that'd be an interesting topic to cover.

    • @frauleinhohenzollern
      @frauleinhohenzollern 27 днів тому +17

      Their interaction? Hitler waved to him.

    • @theodorechill
      @theodorechill 27 днів тому +31

      @@frauleinhohenzollern Ive seen testimony from the German olympic announcer back then saying he swore that Hitler met with Jesse and shook his hand, and that Jesse had kept the picture in his wallet for many years even up until he died. I also seen an article about how Jesse said he was treated phenominally well in Germany whereas the US snubbed him.

    • @jdgooner4845
      @jdgooner4845 27 днів тому +10

      I saw a documentary about a British test pilot, who at that time was at the 1936 Munich games & said him & his father had really good seats & saw aAdolf Hitler give Jesse Owens his gold medal & shake his hand, he witnessed this, & said he couldn’t understand why the press lied & made out Hitler refused to shake Jesse Owens hand, something’s never changed

    • @kurt9395
      @kurt9395 26 днів тому +1

      @@jdgooner4845 That piece of propaganda had, like all really effective propaganda, a tiny basis in truth. My understanding of the events is that the first gold medal of the games was for the pole vault and the winner was a German. Hitler invited him up to his box to congratulate him. IOC President Pierre de Coubertin then admonished Hitler saying that he had to either congratulate everybody, a logistical impossibility, or congratulate nobody. And like all good propaganda, it gets better with the telling. Owens in his memoirs wrote, "I waved at the Chancellor and he waved back."

    • @cococock2418
      @cococock2418 26 днів тому +1

      @@frauleinhohenzollern bro's mad honkler treated black man better than (((america)))

  • @lafamilleerre7733
    @lafamilleerre7733 13 днів тому +8

    L' Armée des Alpes était bien commandée et ses soldats étaient déterminés (d'autant plus pour ceux originaires du sud-est...). Elle s'appuyait sur une ligne de défense fortifiée extrêmement bien organisée et l'artillerie a fait des miracles (l'épisode du Mont Chaberton) . Ajoutez une armée italienne sous-équipée, peu motivée et guère aidée par son commandement... Les colonnes s'empilaient en remontant les vallées et pouvaient rester clouées sur place par la défense française en altitude. Ca ne pouvait pas bien se dérouler pour les Italiens.

    • @ybreton6593
      @ybreton6593 12 днів тому

      vous voulez dire par là , que les soldats bretons , vendéens , normands , picards etc. etc. etc. étaient des nuls

    • @lafamilleerre7733
      @lafamilleerre7733 11 днів тому +1

      @@ybreton6593 Pas du tout. Relisez et analysez ce qui est écrit. Tous les officiers, sous-officiers, soldats de l'Armée des Alpes étaient déterminés. Certains étaient originaires de l'arc alpin et du quart sud-est du pays, ce qui renforçait encore, si besoin était, leur engagement. Mais cela n'enlève rien à l'engagement des autres ! Je ne me serais jamais permis d'établir un tri entre les soldats en fonction de leurs origines géographiques ! D'autant plus que du côté maternel, je suis Vendéen... à ce sujet, mon grand-père, avec courage, est parti à 18 ans en 1914, comme beaucoup d'autres de tous les coins de l'Hexagone, de Corse et des Outre-Mers, dans l'Est de la France, soit bien loin de sa région ! Il était dans les tranchées, est devenu sous-officier, et est revenu mutilé de guerre après avoir été blessé dans la terrible bataille du Chemin des Dames, un bien joli nom pour une telle boucherie...

    • @giorgiodifrancesco4590
      @giorgiodifrancesco4590 8 днів тому

      @@lafamilleerre7733 Ce que vous dites est vrai, mais il est également vrai que le corps expéditionnaire italien était également composé de soldats originaires des Alpes, qui n'avaient aucune raison sérieuse de combattre les Français, car pour eux la guerre n'était pas défensive, mais inutilement offensive. Beaucoup d'entre eux avaient des parents de l'autre côté de la frontière. Sans compter que la doctrine de l'armée italienne a toujours été axée sur la défense. Et puis, il y a la barrière naturelle, ainsi que les forts. Beaucoup d'Italiens sont gelés en juin. La barrière s'applique à tout le monde. D'ailleurs, en 1945, votre tentative d'invasion de la vallée d'Aoste et du Piémont a été facilement repoussée par les Italiens.

    • @lafamilleerre7733
      @lafamilleerre7733 7 днів тому +1

      @@giorgiodifrancesco4590 Tout à fait. Je l'ai d'ailleurs indiqué dans mon premier commentaire : les troupes italiennes étaient relativement peu motivées... d'ailleurs, quelques jours avant l'assaut, les troupes alpines françaises et italiennes se croisaient sur les cimes et les frontières sans animosité particulière, voire même se rencontraient et trinquaient ensemble !
      Vous avez aussi raison concernant de nombreux soldats Français d'origine italienne. Sans oublier les soldats originaires des vallées alpines ou du Val d'Aoste, qui parfois allaient travailler en saison en France, ou qui avaient de la famille en France !
      Les Alpes sont une barrière, et en 1944/1945, de terribles combats eurent lieu. Il me semble cependant que des soldats Français sont entrés au Val d'Aoste et je crois avoir lu quelque part que des éclaireurs avaient peut-être atteint les faubourgs de Turin, à la toute fin de la guerre.
      Un autre élément avait dû freiner les Français, c'était l'opposition des Américains à l'annexion du Val d'Aoste, annexion qui était évoquée ouvertement : les Américains avaient alors menacé de couper les vivres et la fourniture de matériels à l'armée française. Celle-ci n'a eu d'autre choix que de renoncer à ce projet. Je pense que cet épisode méconnu doit se retrouver expliqué quelque part sur Internet.

    • @jmb2140
      @jmb2140 7 днів тому

      Très juste..

  • @demonblood4326
    @demonblood4326 27 днів тому +30

    will you do a documentary on Oswald Mosley at some point?

  • @lakedistrict9450
    @lakedistrict9450 23 дні тому +9

    Italian soldiers quite rightly didn’t want to die for geopolitics .

    • @StephLudwig
      @StephLudwig 21 день тому +7

      Indeed. And in front of them, during the fights, the Frenchmen could see their own homes down into the valley: not the same incentive to fight.

  • @IronymousYT
    @IronymousYT 27 днів тому +99

    Complete life of Joseph GoebbIes when?

    • @ZoomerHistorian
      @ZoomerHistorian  27 днів тому +96

      By years end certainly

    • @IronymousYT
      @IronymousYT 27 днів тому +19

      @@ZoomerHistorian LETS GO!!!

    • @KeranKeranos
      @KeranKeranos 27 днів тому +8

      @@ZoomerHistorian would you consider Longerich's book on him any good?

    • @StrategicStrike88
      @StrategicStrike88 23 дні тому +1

      @@ZoomerHistorian goebbels goebbels goebbels gobble gobble turkey

    • @Misses-Hippy
      @Misses-Hippy 20 днів тому +1

      @@StrategicStrike88 Looked more like a pelican.

  • @BWCFORBLACKMOM
    @BWCFORBLACKMOM 11 днів тому +9

    Собака уберчма обосралась от этого видоса.

  • @gumdeo
    @gumdeo 27 днів тому +61

    Given the fiasco of invading France through the mountains, I'm sure someone learnt the lessons and would not repeat the error later on...

    • @barccy
      @barccy 27 днів тому +43

      Good thing Greece is flat and has no history of stubborn defense...

    • @basdune9534
      @basdune9534 25 днів тому +10

      Napoleon and Hannibal did it, only the other way around

    • @gabriele3665
      @gabriele3665 19 днів тому +4

      The French tried the same thing in 45 and similarly got repelled by a combined fascist/partisans alliance. The Alps and in general any mountain range are just a beast to overcome in modern war

    • @Cancoillotteman
      @Cancoillotteman 16 днів тому +2

      @@basdune9534 both did a surprise crossing, they barely fought in the Alps themselves. Surprise, is the only way an army can cross the Alpes.

    • @jrt818
      @jrt818 15 днів тому +1

      ​@@gabriele3665Always a mystery to me why the allies never pushed into northern Italy in '44 and '45 from southern France. Another is why the allies never considered crossing the Rhine in the Strasbourg area. Terrain is not that good I realize.

  • @Mplkjo15
    @Mplkjo15 9 днів тому +28

    Less than 100 years after France helped Italy in the second italian independance war, Italy declared war on France. And to basically be stopped by nine frenchmen.

    • @InfoRome
      @InfoRome 7 днів тому +3

      You making stuff up.

    • @pougetguillaume4632
      @pougetguillaume4632 5 днів тому +2

      ​@@InfoRome tell me you're an italian nationalist without actually telling me you're an italian nationalist

    • @formulasea5598
      @formulasea5598 5 днів тому +3

      ​@pougetguillaume4632 sure super french soldier kills 1 gorillion italians and then looses in one week against germany HAHAHAHAHA

    • @jon2067
      @jon2067 5 днів тому

      @@Mplkjo15The French started to help, then backstabbed Italy by signing a peace with Austria and they didn't even want Italy to be independent but a French colony. When the Italians refused the French switched and helped the papal state, the Spanish empire, the ottoman empire and the austrian empire in their quest to keep Italy separated.

    • @pougetguillaume4632
      @pougetguillaume4632 5 днів тому +3

      @@formulasea5598 9 chasseurs alpin defeated for 8 days 5000 attacking italians inflicting 200 kia and 600 wia at the saint louis bridge.

  • @danieloehler2494
    @danieloehler2494 27 днів тому +59

    Mussolini invading France after it had been clear France had lost against Nazi Germany. There has been a tough polical joke about this invasion:
    Mussolini had turned Cesar's "veni. vidi, vici" into "I came when I saw he (Hitler) was winning"

  • @skiteufr
    @skiteufr 21 день тому +33

    Funny to see that despite France suffering its biggest historical defeat in its History against Germany, in the same time Italy was being stopped and did absolutely poorly on its frontline

    • @heron5328
      @heron5328 19 днів тому +10

      Thanks to Maginot Line.The French defeat against Germany was due to invasion of Belgium.

    • @ybreton6593
      @ybreton6593 12 днів тому

      @@heron5328 l'invasion de la Belgique et le réembarquement précipiter des soldats soi-disant de métiers britanniques . contrairement au soldats français qui étaient requis d'office la conscription c'étaient des : cultivateurs , artisants , ouvriers , maçons , tailleurs de pierres , mineurs de fond , cuisinièrs , instituteurs enseignants etc. etc. etc. sur les fronts Nord-Est et Sud-Est a aucuns moments les armées allemandes autrichiennes et italiennes non vaincus les français . les soldats français ont déposés les armes sur ordres des autorités politiques et militaires après le signature de l'armistice . si a la tête des armées françaises nous avions eu des officiers généraux et des politiciens capables . il est certain qu'il en aurait été autrement mais malheureusement nous avions : des ÂNES , des CRETINS . et puis l'industrie de guerre allemande ainsi que la préparations des soldats à commencer en 1933

    • @giorgiodifrancesco4590
      @giorgiodifrancesco4590 12 днів тому +4

      If you have one road in a narrow valley, it's not like you have to be superman to stop an invasion.

    • @skiteufr
      @skiteufr 12 днів тому +1

      @@giorgiodifrancesco4590 they had multiple roads along the alpine line fortifications. And even the coastal one was 9 vs 5000 and they didn't pass

    • @giorgiodifrancesco4590
      @giorgiodifrancesco4590 12 днів тому +6

      @@skiteufr You don't know the territory. I'm born 20 kms from France. Even now there are few roads and few passes. Moreover, in June 1940 they were full of snow. The French were in the forts, safe. Then, Italy had no weapons because it was coming out of two wars: the war of Spain and the war of Ethiopia. To speak one must know what one is saying.

  • @jayzandstra1830
    @jayzandstra1830 3 дні тому +2

    with tucker's interview having reawakened the question of churchill and his stubborness against peace.. it would be a good moment to catch onto this '''''controversy'''' and make a good follow up video on what the historian was talking about in detail!!! a very good oppertunity.

  • @scavulous6336
    @scavulous6336 27 днів тому +21

    I love messing around with people on twitter, love ya zoomer

  • @sekuffo
    @sekuffo 11 днів тому +6

    Есть такой стример убермаргинал, он проживает в сша и являеться большим вашим фанатом, на стримах (русскоязычных) он хвалит вас за то, что вы открываете правду, которую многие игнорируют.

  • @bleskead
    @bleskead 11 днів тому +6

    кукеч приоткрыл кладезь своего разума

  • @Based_Latvian88
    @Based_Latvian88 27 днів тому +14

    Another great video!

  • @SATXbassplayer
    @SATXbassplayer 27 днів тому +5

    Thank you for keeping this video to a reasonable length. When I see your 1 and 2 hour videos I make sure to like them - but I just can’t invest the time to watch them. 30 minutes is about the upper limit.

    • @dogwklr
      @dogwklr 16 днів тому

      Listen on 1.75x

  • @everettseay8505
    @everettseay8505 16 днів тому +4

    Italy fu*king around and found out. Invading France, was quite different then Invading Ethiopia!🤔😂

  • @mattdavis7876
    @mattdavis7876 26 днів тому +7

    WTF was going on with the Italian military during this era??? I mean, Mussolini was no idiot, so I doubt he is entirely to blame.

  • @mrfoxgamer4202
    @mrfoxgamer4202 26 днів тому +2

    History deserves to be remembered. Love that u keep it alive.

  • @roman-from-Tambov
    @roman-from-Tambov 11 днів тому +6

    Это же целое гооооооооолное Царство в интернете

  • @l.davidson5860
    @l.davidson5860 27 днів тому +11

    would love to see a video on the Blau Division and or their air wing sent to germany

  • @tommo9176
    @tommo9176 23 дні тому +40

    If this was all fiction, there is not a single point in this video in which a live studio audience laugh track wouldn't work

    • @nassauguy48
      @nassauguy48 13 днів тому +3

      It proved to be an absolute nightmare for the Italians. There was one "battle" in which nine French soldiers holed up in a building across a bridge literally (and leisurely) mowed down over 600 Italian soldiers as the latter inexplicably kept running toward them and, of course, to their doom.

    • @basedpatriarch
      @basedpatriarch 13 днів тому

      Pizza time.

    • @romain45
      @romain45 10 днів тому

      @@nassauguy48bridge of Menton

    • @jon2067
      @jon2067 9 днів тому +3

      ​@@nassauguy48this is lampshade tier propaganda. It was some 600 French in a reinforced fort in the Alps vs 900 Italian. Why tf do you people have to lie all the time?

    • @formulasea5598
      @formulasea5598 5 днів тому +1

      ​@nassauguy48 if the Italian casualties are 600 in the entire war how could they have been all killed in this """battle"""" how moronic to believe such propaganda

  • @austinblack7991
    @austinblack7991 8 днів тому +3

    Actually when the Italians invaded British somailand they won without German support

  • @reddeaddude2187
    @reddeaddude2187 27 днів тому +34

    Don't know if this story is true or not, but I heard that a German officer was laughing during the Armistice signing, and a French officer - deeply offended, asked "What could possibly be so funny?"
    The German responded "The Italians have started their invasion."

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому

      As always, Nazi propaganda of the time was not only adopted by the Allies, but also made bigger.
      Their goal was to ridiculize Italy at every chance.
      And they went all the way into that for the last 80 years.
      Well I guess that soon it will be our turn to laugh. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @дуче
    @дуче 11 днів тому +6

    gOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl avtor kontorskiy GUBAMI

  • @AncientLegends1
    @AncientLegends1 27 днів тому +6

    Yes, new zoomer histotian video!!!!
    I just love your videos. (Seriously).

  • @nassauguy48
    @nassauguy48 13 днів тому +8

    To quote a French lieutenant: "We may have been defeated in the north, but we were determined to show Mussolini that the French on their worst day could still teach the Italians a lesson." ❤❤❤

  • @TESKOISGOD
    @TESKOISGOD 22 дні тому +4

    Fantastic work of an historian. And for once, a BIG THANKS for not to feed the usual french bashing propaganda. Thanks friend👍👍

  • @warrickterry4742
    @warrickterry4742 19 днів тому +2

    First time ever seeing anyone cover this. Thank you

  • @joker_g7337
    @joker_g7337 5 днів тому

    My great grand father was a guard on the Bourget Airport in 1940. He told me about WWII in 3 sentences:
    The fuel, the ammo and the aircraft were split on 3 different airport around Paris. The German bombed the airport with the fuel. The war was over.

  • @ilmaio
    @ilmaio 11 днів тому +3

    Videoclip is precise, complete and honest.
    As a remark, to point out the cynical attitude of the italian regime, Mussolini had no illusions his troops could break through easily. He witnessed WW1 and knew perfectly well that in a mountain theatre defense is disproportionally advantaged in compare with attackers. All the italian troops had were small WW1 tanks (designed indeed for mountain warfare, but outdated and useless against WW2 kind of artillery and higher caliber machine guns). This operation was therefore not militar, but political. He needed "few hundred deads" to sit at the table on the side of the winners.
    To put it in the proper historical context. In 1940 France was already defeated, its army melted like butter, its useless fortifications just bypassed. If putting some ridicule is really necessary (it isn't, war is a tragedy, people really die, soldiers are 20 years old boys knowing nothing of politics), it's better directed to the major power France, that (by the way) invaded Germany first, broke through during the invasion of Poland, then chickened out and run back home (maybe you can cover this too, it is an interesting episode - what if France would have pushed through?).
    This said, YES, italian military in 1940 was completely depleted by the most ambitious and by far larger colonial enterprise of history, the conquest of Abyssinia involving moving to Africa near 500.000 personnel, aviation, artillery, cavalry (this is the size of Desert Storm international operation against Iraq in 1990 - performed by a proto industrial country of 42 millions).
    In the mind of Mussolini, that saw Italy sacrifice 650.000 soldiers in WW1 to fight WITH France and England (and revenge against centuries of Austrian domination), just to be treated like an inferior nation after the war was won (the Austrian collapse ended WW1, not any breakthrough in Alsace).
    England did not respect the agreement to let Italy consolidate his colonies in Africa (France, England, Germans, Belgians had their own) and actively boycotted the italian effort, to the point of voting sanctions against former WW1 ally (Britain condemning colonialism in 1939, a joke).
    Therefore, when Hitler started his megalomaniac war against east and west in the same time, Mussolini had two choices: hole up and be forever a second level power, or chip in trying to cynically jump on the carriage of the winner, which is what he did.
    Italian troops were commanded to go forward against entrenched positions, which they did, leaving many deads on the ground (It's what Putin's army is still doing nowadays in Ukraine by the way, what happened in WW1 for 4 years straight).
    Worth mentioning that Mussolini paid his mistake with his life and everlasting shame, while other WW2 thugs were sitting on the table of the winners, dictating their conditions, including Stalin, allied with Hitler in 1939 when they attacked Poland together.
    What impresses a honest historian, is the self sacrifice of italian troops, poorly supplied, cynically commanded, equipped with outdated gear, and yet they always did all they could.
    They were simply put up against an impossible task, by cycnical calculations of a Regime too much focused on the bright far future of a Roman Renaissance to notice the fatal limitation Italy had in 1940.
    BY THE WAY, Hitler was smashing everything in 1940. Mussolini picked up his side considering that, if he behaved like Franco, the national socialist army would have taken back the Sud Tyrol and invaded Italy easily. Italy shares a border with Austria.
    It was a wrong and disastrous decision to side with the nazi, but a real historian is supposed to put it into the proper context (winners write books, the British do not like to talk too much about how THEY performed before American intevention: they were sunk by the japanese in the indopacific, expelled from Somaliland by the Italians, their army ran for life from the Germans in France, and yet nobody laughs - they won the war and yet lost their empire nonetheless).
    War is an immense tragedy and all soldiers deserve respect.
    To fall for a wrong cause just adds to the disgrace, does not call for laughs (this is directed to the keyboard warriors squawking pizza pizza).

    • @adrien5834
      @adrien5834 9 днів тому +1

      France "chickened out" when it became apparent that the Soviets and Germans were allies. France had a population of 40 million versus 60 million Germans, and was much less industrialised as well. Under these conditions, only a defensive war made sense.

    • @ilmaio
      @ilmaio 3 дні тому

      @@adrien5834 it worked well, the defensive stance. A masterpiece.

    • @adrien5834
      @adrien5834 3 дні тому

      @@ilmaio It worked better than an offensive stance would have, which is the point. Nobody was beating the Wehrmacht in a fair fight in 1940, and nobody did.

  • @BIG_Schwein
    @BIG_Schwein 11 днів тому +4

    Gubami

  • @lorenzo4408
    @lorenzo4408 27 днів тому +6

    I hope you will make a video about Italian Social Republic

  • @dannnn294
    @dannnn294 27 днів тому +2

    Amazing video as always, i recommended you to all of my friends!

  • @cscearce2000
    @cscearce2000 27 днів тому +5

    The Italians were getting all reds but kept the offensive going

    • @morisco56
      @morisco56 27 днів тому +3

      Most rational hoi4 ai performance

    • @mr.archivity
      @mr.archivity 10 днів тому

      Considering how the fascist regime “motivated” them…
      Quite a few families were unalived to motivate the rest

    • @--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820
      @--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820 2 дні тому

      The Italians did all they could but they weren't prepared it's a shame considering how incredible the Italians have been in history 😢

  • @user-mb9wl3bm5b
    @user-mb9wl3bm5b 11 днів тому +6

    ЦЕЙ КОМЕНТАР БУВ НАПИСАНИЙ ГУБАМИ Г-У-УБАМИ

  • @CROM-on1bz
    @CROM-on1bz 20 днів тому +9

    My grandfather fought the Italians in Tunisia, after the first catastrophic Italian assault my grandfather's regiment pursued the Italians for days and nights at forced marches without ever managing to catch up with them. He never recognized their great military values ​​but admired their speed in running fast and for a long time.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому +8

      We Italians admired your limitless amount of resources, food, fresh water, clothes, boots, ammo, big tanks... basically everything we didn't had.
      Yet we fought against presunct "superior" forces for years.
      Ask your dad how fast he would have run if he was in the same situation.
      I would like to see a confrontation in kilometers covered.

    • @CROM-on1bz
      @CROM-on1bz 16 днів тому +2

      @@danielefabbro822 My grandfather told me that he had been forced to filter and drink his urine during the pursuit, so in terms of "unlimited resources" I allow myself to express a certain skepticism. And when they were forced to surrender their weapons they realized that they had 75mm cannons but 37mm shells, a monstrous mess. On the other hand, they wanted to take revenge on the Italians who had stuck a knife in their back. The idea of ​​revenge helps a lot to hold on despite the difficulties.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому +5

      @@CROM-on1bz so he experienced what pur men did during the whole lenght of the war in North Africa.
      As the whole majority of supplies was reserved for the germans.
      Cool.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому

      @@CROM-on1bz also, we still have to deal with the troubles made by Napoleon.
      He invaded our countries, stole our land. Especially Corsica. He never returned. Neither you folks.
      Not to mention all the stuff Napoleon pillaged from our country.
      Also there's another tiny problem about the 20.000 women, childrens and elders raped to death by your colonial troops after the Battle of Montecassino, when the Americans bombed till ashes a monastery full of the inhabitants of the nearby village.
      And then, of course, we should also deal with the 1385 years of continue invasions and destructions you franco/germans brought in our land...

    • @CROM-on1bz
      @CROM-on1bz 16 днів тому +2

      @@danielefabbro822 Like many soldiers who were fighting in the desert at that time, whether they were French, Italian, English or German.But the Italians were still champions of running.

  • @tancreddehauteville764
    @tancreddehauteville764 11 днів тому +1

    I would really like to see a video explaining the Italian participation in Operation Barbarossa.

  • @martinhansen8346
    @martinhansen8346 27 днів тому +4

    Thanks for yet another brilliant upload.
    May I suggest to you a very little known piece of history, regarding the Danish island Bornholm, which civilian population was "strategically" bombed POST war, by the Soviets, to force the remaining German Garrison to surrender. This fact was not broadcasted at the time (7-9 May) in order to not spoil the Liberations festivities.
    Please let me know if there is any interest, as members of my family experienced this first hand, and the later Soviet invasion/liberation there. Many untold crimes were committed, especially war crimes against fleeing German civilians that tried to reach the island.

    • @ZOMBIEo07
      @ZOMBIEo07 9 днів тому

      Soviets did not even do 10% of what germans and the rest of the axis did in USSR. Germans should be on their knees thanking for the mercy the soviets granted them.

  • @p_o_d_ball1553
    @p_o_d_ball1553 27 днів тому +7

    New zoomerhistorian vid I click

  • @markaxworthy2508
    @markaxworthy2508 27 днів тому +13

    No, the Italians were not "without artillery or air support". It was the French who had almost no air cover and the Italians bombed whenever there was a break in the weather.

    • @johnfoster2584
      @johnfoster2584 26 днів тому +4

      You're working hard for the empire I see.

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 26 днів тому

      @@johnfoster2584 Thank you for your tacit support for my point.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому

      ​​@@markaxworthy2508 France had the best army, at least in Europe, at the time.
      And you want us to think that they had no forces to deploy against the Italians?
      There are bunches of comments that says French made thousands of casualties and destroyed tons of Italian assets.
      You folks really like nazi propaganda.
      Are you guys nazi too?

    • @--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820
      @--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820 2 дні тому

      Sadly Italy wasn't really prepared for war they could have held a strong defense under good competent military leaders

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 2 дні тому

      @@--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820 fact is that many of our military leaders was actually good, but the Fascist regime and the nazi considered them incompetent just because they wasn't able to achieve the goals they tasked them to obtain with such poorly equipped and understrenght army.
      Each Italian Division was half organic. Each one was equipped with old outdated weaponry.
      Italy resisted at war against UK and it's commonwealth, the US and Soviet Russia for three years in such conditions.
      Sometimes even scoring victories against such adversaries.
      It's not something a "coward" or "traitor" as we Italians are labelled, can do.
      Yet it was done.
      France had the best army of the war, yet against the inferior German forces they lasted few weeks.
      Other countries of the north lasted hours.
      Italy, after the 8th September fought against the Germans in even poorer conditions for two years.
      You folks can be admired by the Germans or the Soviets or the Americans as much you want. They truly had interesting and well proven armies.
      But if you want to see real badass of war, those are the Italians.

  • @windbuster
    @windbuster 27 днів тому +13

    Can we get a video on the Iron Guard ?

  • @Charliecomet82
    @Charliecomet82 25 днів тому +10

    “The Duce plunges his small dagger into France's back” William L. Shirer "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"

    • @jon2067
      @jon2067 9 днів тому

      "Horrific betrayal of 1400 children"

  • @WaybackHistoryChannel
    @WaybackHistoryChannel 21 день тому +5

    Love seeing more content about this topic! Last year I did a video about Italy’s annexation of Menton (and the town’s rather unique history) if you’re interested in learning more. Cheers, and props again for covering this!

  • @Lenn869
    @Lenn869 27 днів тому +9

    heartwarming

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 22 дні тому +5

    When you miss the Isonzo River so much you try to repeat the same campaign twenty years later, on the other side of the country....

  • @TurtleChad1
    @TurtleChad1 27 днів тому +20

    You should make a video about the German invasion of France.

    • @yoboyfargoth1208
      @yoboyfargoth1208 27 днів тому

      Yes, Europeans killing Europeans. How based and Evropapilled!

    • @p.neeshed5937
      @p.neeshed5937 27 днів тому +29

      France and Britain attacked Germany

    • @ZoomerHistorian
      @ZoomerHistorian  27 днів тому +42

      That’s been pretty done to death, no?

    • @sanngrita
      @sanngrita 27 днів тому +1

      ​​@@ZoomerHistorian video idea: the case of neumann and sass (the first trials that imprisoned the nazis)

    • @KobyBrennero
      @KobyBrennero 27 днів тому +6

      He already did. It’s called The Life of Adolf Hitler: 1940

  • @ovs8691
    @ovs8691 27 днів тому +4

    Woah! Less than an hour long video! Finally!

  • @floydfanboy2948
    @floydfanboy2948 7 днів тому

    Excellent video 😊

  • @wojtasz3920
    @wojtasz3920 27 днів тому +6

    Can we get a video on D-Day?

  • @AndreMicko
    @AndreMicko 11 днів тому +4

    Губу свою закатывай, губами главное, губами, если ты не понял, то используй свои губы

  • @Sunday_fits
    @Sunday_fits 27 днів тому +3

    these casualty numbers a medievally low from the french

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris 23 дні тому +1

      They were defending from behind fortresses, it's no real surprise.

  • @sailordude2094
    @sailordude2094 26 днів тому +1

    That was really interesting, thanks! I also enjoy the diplomatic insights, not just the battle action. Thanks again! I would like to know about other battles with the Maginot Line, this time against the Germans and later in 1944/45.

  • @younf
    @younf 10 днів тому +1

    Germany's biggest historical weakness was the inability to choose correctly its allies and foes. It is still continuing today unfortunately...

  • @mitchycool92
    @mitchycool92 4 дні тому +1

    Do a video about Heinz Guderian.

  • @DiogenesOfCa
    @DiogenesOfCa 24 дні тому +6

    I'm of Italian descent, we are lovers not fighters.

    • @kynaxicrowd7066
      @kynaxicrowd7066 22 дні тому

      nah men,the logi was horrible,the tanks were not adapt for ww2 era more ww1,the italian would have crush us,but only if there generales would CARE and send recon,plus the type of industrial italy choose was not the best one(enlisted every civilian building,then transform them into military style,while germany was more of a collaboration wich mean more logi for the civilian and the soldier)anyway always a big fan of you country but sad and bad leader at the time(like us) 😊👌

    • @Anaris10
      @Anaris10 21 день тому +5

      Tell that to the ROMANS

    • @gabriele3665
      @gabriele3665 19 днів тому

      An idea that has to die, up until the XVII century Italians were among the most sought after mercenaries, it was in the last 3 centuries that any from of military tradition seemingly got lost and yet some fragments still came through like the arditi, the alpini and amphibious soldiers

    • @kurtcoolson9054
      @kurtcoolson9054 10 днів тому

      ​@@gabriele3665 Not forgetting the Folgore paratroopers at El Alamein - nothing got past them.

    • @postespanambiennes823
      @postespanambiennes823 7 днів тому

      Libya 1911

  • @barsukascool
    @barsukascool 23 дні тому +3

    Can you make a video about how different Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany were ideologically?

  • @doncleaver5994
    @doncleaver5994 10 днів тому +1

    There is a well known saying that all Italian vehicles have one forward gear and four reverse gears!

    • @kurtcoolson9054
      @kurtcoolson9054 10 днів тому +1

      That's a very old and tired saying - not really funny anymore. Some of those tanks with 'reverse gears' badly messed up British & Commonwealth tanks at such battles in North Africa as Bir el Gobi and Gazala - by repeating jokes like that you're actually disrespecting fallen allied servicemen.

  • @chadrowe8452
    @chadrowe8452 16 днів тому +1

    If they wanted corsica they should have invaded and taken it and played defense in the alps. They made no attempt to bypass maginot line. They had a large enough navy to blockade corsica then Marseilles

    • @neofalz7643
      @neofalz7643 15 днів тому +1

      French navy was 3 time bigger than the italian one. Don't event forget british navy in Gibraltar, malta and Cyprus

  • @AloneComes
    @AloneComes 21 день тому +1

    your channel is the go-to place for reliable info!

  • @noahhess4955
    @noahhess4955 27 днів тому

    Great video

  • @napola88
    @napola88 27 днів тому +2

    Why those videos are not going well? You should have 3mln subscribers...

  • @Leonard-td5rn
    @Leonard-td5rn 15 днів тому +1

    How did Italy know the French were close to surrender How did Italy not know if French wouldn't continue the war in Africa

  • @TP-ie3hj
    @TP-ie3hj 17 днів тому

    Watched two of your videos today. The book burning and this one. Loved the other was top notch providing info so rarely brought up. not so sure about this one?

  • @castlerock58
    @castlerock58 7 днів тому

    That created a race to see who could surrender the fastest.

  • @TheJudge1933
    @TheJudge1933 27 днів тому +2

    Complete Life of my Granpa Jamal Ruckus when?

  • @RPe-jk6dv
    @RPe-jk6dv 27 днів тому +21

    Italy was not an ally but a burden.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 16 днів тому

      You're a burden to life.

    • @mr.archivity
      @mr.archivity 10 днів тому +4

      Without that “burden” Germany would have lost against the allies in 2 months.

    • @RPe-jk6dv
      @RPe-jk6dv 10 днів тому +1

      @@mr.archivity that is quite absurd.

    • @mr.archivity
      @mr.archivity 10 днів тому +3

      @@RPe-jk6dv I suggest reading James J. Sadkovich on that topic

    • @jon2067
      @jon2067 9 днів тому

      Without Germany there wouldn't have been a war at all

  • @demonblood4326
    @demonblood4326 27 днів тому +11

    27:48 WELL WELL WELL

    • @alex.scaraoschi
      @alex.scaraoschi 27 днів тому +4

      No wonder

    • @jeff_underscore9244
      @jeff_underscore9244 20 днів тому

      Racist comment detected

    • @EASNSW2
      @EASNSW2 19 днів тому

      What do you mean?

    • @jeff_underscore9244
      @jeff_underscore9244 19 днів тому

      @@demonblood4326 Ahh nice my original comment was deleted, glad to see that if I call out someone for being a racist it’s suppressed.

    • @alex.scaraoschi
      @alex.scaraoschi 19 днів тому +3

      @@jeff_underscore9244 who is being racist?

  • @fdlman93092
    @fdlman93092 27 днів тому +3

    A new zoomer historian vid??? Noice.

  • @BrutalBocchi
    @BrutalBocchi 27 днів тому +1

    Another ZH banger.

  • @heinwein421
    @heinwein421 15 днів тому +1

    If the "Wehrmacht Generals" didn't find a way to attack something, i think it would had be wise not to try it myself... even a woundet France was to mighty for Italy in 1940, no insult on italian Soldiers .
    My Grandfather fought with Italians and told me those were not less brave then Germans but lauzy led by many officers and poorly equipped....

  • @user-bchfldmgd
    @user-bchfldmgd 27 днів тому

    Thank you!

  • @thatrandomguy1489
    @thatrandomguy1489 27 днів тому +19

    Video about life in nazi germany?

    • @KyleOber
      @KyleOber 27 днів тому +8

      Impossible it would get taken off by UA-cam.

    • @thatrandomguy1489
      @thatrandomguy1489 27 днів тому +13

      @@KyleOber In my opinion, its worth the risk.

    • @EOJ111
      @EOJ111 26 днів тому +10

      'Twas the pinnacle of civilization. A relative utopia within 7 years. Starting from a devastated, hyperinflated mess of a country steeped in war debt.. All while the global establishment was doing everything possible to bring it down.... Only the most knowledgeable and morally self-discerning people can truly appreciate the vast potential of that society at that time. It takes a special type of person in this day and age to sift through the lies and nonsense and still come to the right conclusions about such a convoluted, manipulated subject.

    • @nathancoppini6928
      @nathancoppini6928 26 днів тому +1

      Ehhh for the average German life certainly improved, though if you had different views you would end up missing

    • @thatrandomguy1489
      @thatrandomguy1489 26 днів тому +2

      @@EOJ111 Yeah ive done my research on this but it would be good to hear what he has to say and explore some different sources, there are some people that claim that germany would have collapsed had they not started the war and honestly i dont know what to believe anymore.

  • @ciberius4
    @ciberius4 8 днів тому +1

    The Italians showed who's the boss (the French).

  • @basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126
    @basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126 27 днів тому

    Interesting stuff

  • @patrickcloutier6801
    @patrickcloutier6801 22 дні тому +3

    An interesting and detailed narrative about Italian operations in the French Alps.

  • @MrMustang13
    @MrMustang13 27 днів тому +5

    Oh yeah babyyyy

  • @phukup87
    @phukup87 5 днів тому

    👏you👏are👏based

  • @dimitriwolfs9370
    @dimitriwolfs9370 25 днів тому +2

    Get in touch if you want to have someone who knows how to pronounce most things .I speak a few different languages, know how to write em and read em too. And as for the ones I do not know I SHALL LOOK IT UP! 😂

  • @RailfanDownunder
    @RailfanDownunder 13 днів тому

    Described in the Purnell book as '...cruel losses for insignificant gains...'

  • @jebbroham1776
    @jebbroham1776 19 днів тому +4

    Practically everything Italy did in WW2 was laughable. Even her surprisingly modern Navy turned out to be a paper tiger.

  • @Bobbyfis
    @Bobbyfis 27 днів тому +5

    Off topic question zoomer but what is your opinion on ghe Roman Empire? Great video as always

  • @SahilHossain-ff4if
    @SahilHossain-ff4if 10 днів тому

    Lore of The Italian Invasion of France - 1940 momentum 100

  • @barsukascool
    @barsukascool 23 дні тому +2

    Can you make a video about National Socialist economy? Like how they planned stuff

  • @csgraffiti
    @csgraffiti 23 дні тому +2

    Maginot Line in the Alps???

  • @gandigooglegandigoogle7202
    @gandigooglegandigoogle7202 День тому

    The french were realy amazing defending their country on two fronts

  • @Leonard-td5rn
    @Leonard-td5rn 15 днів тому +1

    Isonzo battle was an Italian victory

  • @vitorsousa8172
    @vitorsousa8172 10 днів тому

    De Gaule was a great asset to the allies since the beggining. Imagine if the french had accepted some of the peace terms asked by the italians.

  • @mikesyrstad9306
    @mikesyrstad9306 5 днів тому +1

    Where can I find this Side of information in books or anything because everything I find is from the west POV

  • @ItJuM856
    @ItJuM856 9 днів тому

    I still dont understand why the French had anger for Italy and not Germany. All that talk of intact navy against Italy but not Germany