Australia need to listen to many of those others in the know and not narrow it down to two people having a talk fest ......like we say ...no other tribe can talk or make decisions about another .....you need to do a bit of listening ....I am a fair/white skinned aboriginal who started out life in wurlies and camps in Central Australia ...customs etc included ..and English my second language ..................I can be a fly on the wall and have been ...this indigenous fella is who I refer to as a black skinned white fella ....I on the other hand am a white skinned blackfella .....if you object to this then you need to understand it is from our standpoint not yours ......
So much truth spoken here - this should be on mainstream media so that more Australians have the opportunity to listen to these wise words. Sadly, this will not be allowed by our current leaders. vote NO.
Thank you for putting this into perspective. Something that isn't addressed by many people is where is the $38 Billion dollars of tax payers dollars that is allocated to Indigenous affairs annually actually going? That is a lot of money.
Wow, it's like homelessness in California/US. Millions ? Billions??? funneled through federal, state, & county governments towards homelessnes. Not much accountability. Some of the programs enable them. The more money the bureaucrats & 501c3 organizations get , the more some of them are motivated to keep homelessness going.
True. If we really care about indigenous people, we will vote NO in the referendum. And we will support Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine calling for a thorough investigation and reform of the bloated corrupt Indigenous Welfare industry.
Anthony Dillon is a highly intelligent Australian with such Integrity and a rock solid basis of Values. I had the very great Honour of working with his Father decades ago, who was one of our most respected Serving Police who was respected greatly by all decent police. It had nothing to do with his colour. It had everything to do with his character. He was a mentor to many very successful Aussie Aboriginal and TSI Police who were and are some of our finest and most competent and highly intelligent Serving Police. How wonderful to hear his Son, doing genuine Respect to his Elders both Aussie Aboriginal and from an Aussie English heritage. God Bless this wonderful young Gentleman, he is indeed a "chip" off the 'old Block ! Wonderful to listen to him.
Yes, one of the 3 people the nats can rely to support their viewpoint. The millions of others will of course be ignored. There are other voices opposed to that Voice, but the less said about them by Johnno, that great lifelong champion of indigenous rights, the better.
Spoken like a conspiracy theorist. You are a conspiracy theorist follower aren't you? Generally conspiracy theorists follow a cluster of lone voices. There's generally a good reason for not following the lone voice, because they are wrong, but not just wrong, but woefully, ignorantly wrong. Wrong for every possible reason under the sun that makes their judgement so especially wrong.
That's true Ms. But this is not the only thread I contribute to. I must admit to a bit of naughtiness as I post along. However I've never denied the problems that exist in this country. My contribution is to expand on that understanding that seems to be ignored in sites like this.
This was great to listen too. Every single Australian should listen to this, regardless where you stand on the referendum. It was respectful & insightful. ALL Australians need to hear more talk like this. This talk put into words all the thoughts I have been trying to voice myself. Thank you 😊
@@REXYBOI1993 Because it is the truth. And it is contrary to the constant barrage of propaganda from the racist, self-interested Left, so they can't cope with it
Wow, great to hear some voices of reason in this whole Indigenous Disadvantage debate. Not the first time I’ve heard Anthony Dillon speak but he never fails to impress me with his understanding of the issues and potential solutions.
One of the best interviews I've seen. Puts everything in perspective and totally debunks many of the "myths" around Indigenous disadvantage, why it exists and why many of the current and proposed approaches, including "the Voice", won't resolve the issues.
Great interview JA. As usual, you conducted it with respect in your calm, balanced, logical and convincing way. Thank you so much for hosting Anthony, who really impresses with his understanding of reality.
Mr smarty pants Dillon with the hide to continue and only bothering with the truth as he knows it. I always enjoy the thought behind his words and the caring history of the words. To hear both men speaking of examples in day to day as well as human cause and effect is a pleasure to listen to. Thank you both. I initially thought yes for the reason of visiting out-camps and knowing better can be done, and should be done. I later realised my feelings and thoughts on what I know have no bearing on the actual question in the referendum If the funds used to mount and run this referendum went towards, well thought out, a hand up and solving areas of sheer disadvantage it would be money well spent.
This is just so excellent. It's what everyone needs to hear and understand. There is a core negative, political activism that is so destructive and puts the people who are in need in a winless position. We are one, we are Australians. Let's all work together to make things better for those in need. We don't need a poorly thought out and divisive voice.
Every Australian should be made to listen to this Uni students school children. How uplifting and sensible and respectful It has made me feel that there is a chance for Australia to move past this divisive Voice referendum How can we make this more available
What the Voice has done is bring people, with extensive experience of Aboriginal affairs, out of the shadows, who otherwise might have been shouted down by activists, for a reasonable discussion on what is the reality of Aboriginal life and what is not. Most of us in urban areas hear so much from those with a political agenda that we never think to question what we hear all the time. I have heard some really good and intelligent discussion on UA-cam and I do not include the Murdoch lot. Many thanks for an open discussion.
Great discussion! Anthony Dillon exemplifies the best of the indigenous style of dialogue - laid back & thoughtful, no attempts to manipulate his listeners, but just presenting some great points, supported by facts.
Hi. I totally agree with you. Thanks for your comment. I wanted to say, to John, however, that I would have enjoyed hearing more of what Anthony had to say if John had allowed him to expand on some of his points. I felt it was John who had the agenda and his interview technique needed more to probe, then simply listen. This way, we are more likely to get to the roots of the 'gap' issue and hear the views of his guest.
Can always rely on a great conversation with John on this channel and great to meet Anthony Dillon. Yes let's have a conversation about helping disadvantage no matter what the culture. I will say I'm from Canberra and do not agree with the Voice.
Two of the wisest men in Australia The reason Tony gives for the general failure of indigenous Australians (poor upbringing) is exactly the same that accounts for poor outcomes in many black American families. It is not racism, but culture and upbringing, as Thomas Sowell shows. The activists only make matters worse by denying agency to those they claim to support. That is true racism.
From what I know of the American situation, and what I definitely know in Australia is that all the modern programs are about power these days. Whilst for two hundred years, here it's been providing care, assimilation, and equal opportunity.
Whatever your race , a poor/inadequate upbringing seems to virtually guarantee poor outcomes for children on almost every level. We need a return to cultural morality as a mainstay of Australian culture.
I think you will find the money is over forty billion and rising. Well, nearly 400,000 people have miraculously found their aboriginal heritage in the last seven years. Nothing to do with money. Its about connection to country and culture.... And the victimhood narrative comes along for the ride.
@@jamiedawe1758 It has a lot to do with money/benefits. "If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
@@stephenlennon7369 No, but I can see the hypocrisy of those who advocate continuing to spend huge amounts on Aboriginal Welfare WITHOUT it getting to the indigenous communities in need. That is why Jacinta Price, Kerynne Liddel, Anthony Dillon and others are calling for a vote No (they don't need more of the same corruption) and a thorough audit of how money is spent.
I’m surprised that so few people reference Thomas Sowell as John Anderson did here. TS is surely one of the giant minds in the world today. So much of what he says is transplantable to Australia.
Thomas Sowell is suppressed because he _is_ such a great mind. Truth is universal. The idea of "My truth, your truth" is a nonsensical interpretation of opinion. I guess people who refuse to change their opinions when faced with truth would be best described as bigots. No?
"Have we reached the stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, whilst other people are not held accountable for what they, themselves are doing today" - Thomas Sowell.
@@jamiedawe1758 the unfortunate answer is yes. I do think that people like Jacinta Nampinjinpa Price in Australia may be the catalyst to turn this back. Let’s hope so.
Thank you Anthony and John, I have been asking how the Voice will fix the social problems and nobody can tell me. I have also said that the Aboriginal people have to solve their own problems, the rest of Australia is willing to help but the solutions have to come from the hearts of indigenous people and they have to implement the solutions.
Vote No, and then support Jacinta Price's call for a comprehensive investigation and audit into our Aboriginal Welfare Industry. Billions of dollars disappear into it each year, without helping the communities that really need it.
@@mikem9001 I live in the bush, I'm part Aboriginal but don't see myself as back or white, I'm just me. I'm voting no and don't know a single person who intends to vote yes. Jacinta is spot on, we need more Aussies like her.
I was looking back on some school photos and found one of my grade 2 class. I looked at one of my classmates and realised that he was black. It never even occurred to me when I was 7 to think about race or skin colour, he was just my friend.
Thank you John and Anthony for a great talk, highlighting the essential for all communities, that each human person is responsible for the path they choose to take, and how it affects their families and those of their communities. We need YOUR voices in parliament, not those of the Marxists... I'm praying that more people will listen to your interview. HeatherC
Thank you gentlemen for this very interesting discussion. The truth is always appreciated. Aboriginal issues are people issues, as you said. Humans need a few basic things to be happy and flourish and we want all Australians to have them The Lord God bless and strengthen you both. From Melbourne 🇦🇺 #VoteNoToTheVoice🇦🇺
It's refreshing to see intelligent, thoughtful and positive discussions on indigenous matters instead of the negative victim based racist narrative from the activist architects of the voice and yes campaigners. Thanks John
Wow! what an amazingly honest down to earth, truthful and factual conversation. Thank you. If only more Australian’s could understand the real problems. The day we are all treated the same regardless of race we will all be much better off.
Thank you so much, a most informative and clear illustration of our problems. My ancestors came here as refugees from religious persecution from Prussia, 1839. No colonisation intended.
An absolutely great interview. Thank you both. Our prime minister who says he believes in listening to the the indigenous people via the voice then he goes and hypocritically didn’t want to hear from anybody like you two as well as Jacinta price, Warren Mundine and others before he chose to inflict the voice on all of us. The PM only wanted to hear from the voices that support his narrative. Shame on him for what he has done to Australia. I know we’ll recover from this as we are resilient and we need to turn a negative into a positive and help all oppressed peoples in OZ.
Thoughtful discussion, thank you gentlemen. I am a self described moderate leftie, but have generally found John Anderson to be a man of uncommon sense and intelligence. Lots of food for thought during this pretty toxic time for discussions on Aboriginal affairs and our country.
I applaud you for your magnanimous response to this subject matter. I'm fairly conservative and respectful of the other viewpoint. We all share the possibility of democracy by respecting differing views even if we don't agree entirely with each other. More power to you for acknowledging the input of two good men who truly care for our country.
I have loved John Anderson since I worked in the small town of Berrima 30 years ago. He always seemed to me as being highly intelligent with an incredible focus on aboriginal people. I applaud this interview as being one of the most honest and thoughtful interactions I have watched ❤️
Just in case anyone is questioning John's stories about growing up in a country town with a high indigenous population, I live in Gunnedah. My parents grew up with John and know him. The things he has said about his childhood and experiences in this town match the stories my parents told me.
Very balanced and unmotivated truth. There's not enough of this around, thank you gentlemen. I wonder how Canadians have dealt with their indigenous people and a voice equivalent. I believe they have tried and failed, what makes people think that it will work in Australia. Times are hard enough today without creating another layer of beaurocracy. Thanks again for sharing that.
I believe that a large proportion of Yong social media followers are voting yes to avoid being branded racist. I fear for the future when these 'sheep' become politicians.
Anthony Dillon is simply a brilliant and balanced human being. Why have we not been exposed to him before! Ive read everything i can find, that he has written. Read him and listen. Logic and compassion.
Re black deaths in custody, the unsayable truth is that for black and others to die in prison at the same rate, more black people would have to die. NOBODY thinks that would be a sensible target. However, truth and honesty would be a sensible target.
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
Hi John and Anthony, I do wonder why our governments all seem to ploughing more into indigenous organizations to help improve the lives of those most disadvantaged. After all these years there is little progress. We need a coronial inquest into where that money has gone and to hold those organizations and government departments all accountable. As a nurse I attended cultural awareness training. Such training was evidently the outlet for the activists to tell their skewed story. I am aware of the terrible history of the impact of colonization. I wanted to know how our indigenous brothers see health and illness, mental health and mental illness so I could understand the differences so I could help people better. Instead it was about how badly settlers treated the original peoples. If I was to carry the same torch of blame and anger for centuries old wrongs then I would be having a go at the Roman’s, Genghis Kahn, the Vikings, Germans, Cossacks and so on. I am Australian born so Australia is my homeland, my heart is all Australian. In this voice referendum I do wonder where I really stand should the yes vote succeed. There is no real detail and that would be in the regulations which are to be drawn up, after the referendum. This is a constitutional change we all have a right to full information. I do think that this voice referendum is a very cynical exercise by our labor politicians, how on earth would Albany’s believe that he could push the voice with lots of gaps in the info. We all need to attend to this is seriously and to apply due diligence to our choice. My view would take a lot of time so these short remarks could be misrepresented, I hope not. Thank you for this great sincere discussion.
Intelligent and classy. It is so refreshing for this topic to be discussed so rationally and calmly. Refreshing. Thank you. There are disadvantaged people for a myriad of reasons, in all cultures. Some, through no fault of their own, some because they like playing the victim. Some even wear it like it's some kind of badge. It's what lazy people do, who won't even try to be the change they claim to wish to see. It is definitely not exclusive to Aboriginals.
Such wisdom and compassion in this conversation. We cannot change the past but have real opportunities to make change if we keep talking and working together.
Anthony Dillon I have had many conversations with him some years back on indigenous issues on political forums. I found him to be very honest & his positions well thought out . He got a lot of racial abuse from activists but he never sank to their level or even react to their slander. Very solid man.
Anthony’s comment at the end about academia and “papers” that express opinion which becomes “fact” is exactly how some of these social justice issues are now elevated and used as hammers. I have heard other academics say the same thing.
The first part of my working career was in the public service in Canberra in 1969"s. What struck me was how put of touch with the real world outside of Canberra they were. In the years since I have worked in otherstate and commonweath administrations , and this problem applies to these centralised administrations.
Anthony's statement, "Idiginous people should look after indigenous matters just doesn’t make sense to me" resonates. We need the best person with the appropriate skills and experiance in rolls that impact our society, whether or not they primarily deal with indigenous or non-indiginous. We don't need someone who has been selected for their race, gender, faith or ideological purity. Anthony's comment about "going to the denist" made me think about the health care professionals I see. There are many different races and they come from both genders. Onne thing; in all probability, they are all Australian, but most importantly, they are competent and professional.
Thanks to woke intersectional politics, everything is about this superficial 'diversity' so gender/race/sexuality has become the measure, not merit, competence or ability.
Our current "Hands off, throw money at it" approach is the result of numerous attempts at interventionist and non-interventionist approches being vilified or twisted to suit more modern narratives. From attempts that resulted in failures, successes and the many limited variations there of both. Upon being criticised, twisted and vilified for these numerous approaches, the more modern Government's threw up its hands & gave up trying if all that comes from it is these previous attempts being used against them. So they simply left the indigenous community to their own devices, gave them specialised rights to conduct their cultural activities regardless of the law for others and threw more & more money at the issue. Even expanding legislation to include Positive Discrimination laws that allow employers to exclude anyone but indigenous people from being able to apply for the position. Don't get me wrong, I want indigenous people to live their lives as they see fit. As we all should be able to. It's clear, however, that everything that's been attempted has not worked to fix the issue's. If anything it's only caused more division and animosity between indigenous and non-indiginous people. And that's before taking the current state of the media, international governtments & corperations and activists affect on it all into account. It's exhausting for anyone that's just attempting to wrap their head around it for a loose understanding, I imagine it would be far worse for those whom are directly affected by it.
A senior person in one of the social welfare fields told me privately that the policy that aboriginals must be served by other aboriginals, was denying aboriginals in need, the best service available. There were not enough qualified aboriginals in the field.
@@peterwebb8732 outright disgusting! That would be like stating woman must be treated by woman in the gynaecology profession, even if there was a shortage of female gynaecologists.
If we really care about indigenous people, we will vote NO in the referendum. And we will support Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine calling for a thorough investigation and reform of the bloated corrupt Indigenous Welfare industry.
Decades ago, as a retired microbiologist, I can confirm that syphilis and TB were considered endemic in indigenous communities. Also some instances of leprosy.
I have been saying the same thing for many years- if we truly want indigenous people to have equality, they must abide by the same laws. You can't protect perpetrators and alliw wrongs against women and children in the name of " culture"- that is the greatest racist slap in the face to indigenous people. all Australuan children should be protected in the same way. There are some profound entrenched problems that Aboriginals need to deal with amongst themselves- root out the perpetrators, protect the women and children. It's hard to improve the lives of people without ownership of the problems in the communities. Like drug addicts and drunks everywhere, they have to take responsibility for their own actions without blaming others. Meantime, the innocents need to be protected. As an Australian I am proud of how we genuinely want to help Aboriginals. But it needs to be a partnership and that means letting go of the long held resentments because it just holds people back.
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
Very good discussion. Small critique: Racism is simply determining the value and traits of a person, and the opportunities and freedoms available to them, based on their race. Hate and fear, attraction and rejection, and all other emotions felt as a result, are emotional expressions of this determination. Just as all emotions are always a consequence of the relationships we have towards something not the predicate that creates the relationship. Other than that, it is heartening to hear your discussion on the many often unspoken and hidden issues impacting our most disadvantaged populations, and your approach to engaging with the often complex challenge of helping people raise themselves and their communities.
This is so spot on. Where work needs to center after tomorrow. Listen to the opening lines in particular. One vital point is his reference to suicides from the idle people. Proven with those on the Tiwi Is when the suicide death rate drops right off during the football season that they love
Anthony is a clever and very articulate man, rational and logical in his thinking ... he's also a Magician as a hobby which makes him even more awesome (I miss the Geniis!).
It seems to me that Jacinta Price, and yourselves, have hit the nail on the head. Protect the children and give them a safe environment to grow up in and they will thrive. Can't see the mob who want to run the 'voice' doing that .... after all, they have had years and spend billions but have gone backwards if anything... a big NO for me
I’d like Anthony to tell us where the 30 billion dollars are spent each year on the disadvantage indigenous people to help them, I’ve seen what happens in the Alice and a lot of other major towns. What I see is the Indigenous activists being the ones benefiting from this money
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
Making 4 yr old apologise for doing wrong when they weren't even born or their parents. It's disgusting, should not be allowed. Teachers should be sacked!! If it was my sml child I would be wanting an apology to my child. A lot of these woke ideas pushed on.our children is soooo wrong and how dare they!!! A lot of us who are Christians do not agree with a lot of these woke ideas.keep them to themselves!!!
Not all "stolen generation" removals were for neglect, abuse etc. My brother's father was a "Sunshine" kid, removed and sent to hospital for medical treatment. He was indigenous. But white children were also removed from rural areas where the medical facilities were not there for their treatment. There was no malice involved.
I have had to do the same thing myself. Stay put and persevere with limited job prospects and probably sit down money. Or pack up and move to where the opportunities are. And I and my wife never looked back. Sure, we missed the country environment, But we made a new home.
True indigenous disadvantage is expecting someone to hand you your solutions on a silver platter and not even recognising that you are the biggest piece of the problem !
Same applies to everyone actually, but the indigenous activists are pushing it a lot. I grew up never expecting anything to be handed to me, and from a young age studied hard and worked hard and invested to have what I have.
An estimated 500,000 Australian families are under financial stress - choosing between paying the bills and feeding the kids. Instead of spending $368M on this referendum, each of them could have been given $700 to buy food. #VoteNo
Wise men explain life, Victims whin about facts that happened over 200(1778) year's in the distant past. Life can and does move forward, like mother nature. If you choose to live in the past, you can always find another to endure that past, if you can make money from it,or force control, you have an industry. I wasn't alive 200(1778) year's ago, I've got values of this time of 2023, I'm not responsible for long dead people who I didn't know. In conclusion, I'm educated, with an intelligence of the mind. So I can learn and think, to understand both education and research to put forward a informed opinion on this topic, of the "Voice" and research the word's and see the collation between 1840-2023 prosses of the language and actions of the Marxism throughout history within countries and it's outcomes. So in my understanding I'm voting "NO" in this referendum! 🤔🤓
I think the whole issue about men abrogating their traditional roles for their children to women is a global issue. I would argue that this is a value that should therefore be pushed globally, that men are not men who act like irresponsible boys when not taking responsibility for their offspring. Women raising children on their own are heroic, yet there is still a lot of stigma if they are not doing it perfectly. Being poor and overworked absolutely makes this infinitely harder. Yet so many men can wander off and live their lives, especially if the parental relationship has broken down, with no stigma attached at all. As a society, we know that a father being present and responsible is better for the child. My argument is that we need to change our whole attitude to letting men off the hook. They need to be called out and take on their fair share of the financial and care giving responsibility, for the sake of the children they father.
I agree with Anthony. How do we bridge the gap with people who chose to live traditional Remote lives? It's just not possible unless they chose to move close to big cities where they have access to medical facilities, schools and other welfare agencies. There is just no way to bridge the gap with these people and if they chose to live this life why should tax payers continue to send money their way when most of it is very obviously swallowed by bureaucracy. White families can no longer foster indigenous children and there are not enough well to do indigenous families to take them. I don't see any gap bridging by spending money as we do. I only see gap bridging when indigenous want to assimilate into white mans world and that is the destruction of the indigenous culture. It's a situation that has no easy fix.
I've encountered situations where the indigenous grandparents are raising their grandchildren without any economic support, while trying to do so on the pension. The parents just dumped the kids on them.
I would be interested to see a poll covering a sample from ALL “disadvantaged” people in Australia, regardless of race/ancestry, to see their voting intentions….
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Australia needs to listen to these two men. Such wisdom is desperately needed across Australia
Buhahaha keep the jokes coming lol 😂 😆
Get a job and stop blaming the past.
So you disagree with everything they said in this conversation? or did you not even listen to it? @@stephenlennon7369
Australia need to listen to many of those others in the know and not narrow it down to two people having a talk fest ......like we say ...no other tribe can talk or make decisions about another .....you need to do a bit of listening ....I am a fair/white skinned aboriginal who started out life in wurlies and camps in Central Australia ...customs etc included ..and English my second language ..................I can be a fly on the wall and have been ...this indigenous fella is who I refer to as a black skinned white fella ....I on the other hand am a white skinned blackfella .....if you object to this then you need to understand it is from our standpoint not yours ......
So much truth spoken here - this should be on mainstream media so that more Australians have the opportunity to listen to these wise words. Sadly, this will not be allowed by our current leaders. vote NO.
Thank you for putting this into perspective.
Something that isn't addressed by many people is where is the $38 Billion dollars of tax payers dollars that is allocated to Indigenous affairs annually actually going?
That is a lot of money.
Wow, it's like homelessness in California/US. Millions ? Billions??? funneled through federal, state, & county governments towards homelessnes. Not much accountability. Some of the programs enable them. The more money the bureaucrats & 501c3 organizations get , the more some of them are motivated to keep homelessness going.
True. If we really care about indigenous people, we will vote NO in the referendum. And we will support Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine calling for a thorough investigation and reform of the bloated corrupt Indigenous Welfare industry.
Exactly right. $38 Billion for less than 3% of the population, annually. A forensic audit is required because we're getting shafted
Anthony Dillon is a highly intelligent Australian with such Integrity and a rock solid basis of Values. I had the very great Honour of working with his Father decades ago, who was one of our most respected Serving Police who was respected greatly by all decent police. It had nothing to do with his colour. It had everything to do with his character. He was a mentor to many very successful Aussie Aboriginal and TSI Police who were and are some of our finest and most competent and highly intelligent Serving Police. How wonderful to hear his Son, doing genuine Respect to his Elders both Aussie Aboriginal and from an Aussie English heritage. God Bless this wonderful young Gentleman, he is indeed a "chip" off the 'old Block ! Wonderful to listen to him.
Never knew he existed... what a treasure, honest and wise.
Yes, one of the 3 people the nats can rely to support their viewpoint. The millions of others will of course be ignored.
There are other voices opposed to that Voice, but the less said about them by Johnno, that great lifelong champion of indigenous rights, the better.
@@banta-pd8zj It is better to listen to the lone truth-teller than the noisy mob.
Spoken like a conspiracy theorist.
You are a conspiracy theorist follower aren't you?
Generally conspiracy theorists follow a cluster of lone voices.
There's generally a good reason for not following the lone voice, because they are wrong, but not just wrong, but woefully, ignorantly wrong. Wrong for every possible reason under the sun that makes their judgement so especially wrong.
@@banta-pd8zj you didn't give any facts. I grew up in Alice. This is all truth sad but true
That's true Ms. But this is not the only thread I contribute to.
I must admit to a bit of naughtiness as I post along.
However I've never denied the problems that exist in this country.
My contribution is to expand on that understanding that seems to be ignored in sites like this.
This was great to listen too. Every single Australian should listen to this, regardless where you stand on the referendum. It was respectful & insightful.
ALL Australians need to hear more talk like this.
This talk put into words all the thoughts I have been trying to voice myself.
Thank you 😊
Isn't it great to hear someone speaking the truth - he is a wonderful Australia.
How is this the truth?
@@REXYBOI1993 Because it is the truth.
And it is contrary to the constant barrage of propaganda from the racist, self-interested Left, so they can't cope with it
Thank you John and Anthony, for this honest truth telling
Wow, great to hear some voices of reason in this whole Indigenous Disadvantage debate. Not the first time I’ve heard Anthony Dillon speak but he never fails to impress me with his understanding of the issues and potential solutions.
One of the best interviews I've seen. Puts everything in perspective and totally debunks many of the "myths" around Indigenous disadvantage, why it exists and why many of the current and proposed approaches, including "the Voice", won't resolve the issues.
Great interview JA. As usual, you conducted it with respect in your calm, balanced, logical and convincing way. Thank you so much for hosting Anthony, who really impresses with his understanding of reality.
Mr smarty pants Dillon with the hide to continue and only bothering with the truth as he knows it.
I always enjoy the thought behind his words and the caring history of the words.
To hear both men speaking of examples in day to day as well as human cause and effect is a pleasure to listen to.
Thank you both.
I initially thought yes for the reason of visiting out-camps and knowing better can be done, and should be done. I later realised my feelings and thoughts on what I know have no bearing on the actual question in the referendum
If the funds used to mount and run this referendum went towards, well thought out, a hand up and solving areas of sheer disadvantage it would be money well spent.
This is just so excellent. It's what everyone needs to hear and understand. There is a core negative, political activism that is so destructive and puts the people who are in need in a winless position. We are one, we are Australians. Let's all work together to make things better for those in need. We don't need a poorly thought out and divisive voice.
Every Australian should be made to listen to this Uni students school children. How uplifting and sensible and respectful It has made me feel that there is a chance for Australia to move past this divisive Voice referendum How can we make this more available
What the Voice has done is bring people, with extensive experience of Aboriginal affairs, out of the shadows, who otherwise might have been shouted down by activists, for a reasonable discussion on what is the reality of Aboriginal life and what is not. Most of us in urban areas hear so much from those with a political agenda that we never think to question what we hear all the time. I have heard some really good and intelligent discussion on UA-cam and I do not include the Murdoch lot. Many thanks for an open discussion.
Great discussion! Anthony Dillon exemplifies the best of the indigenous style of dialogue - laid back & thoughtful, no attempts to manipulate his listeners, but just presenting some great points, supported by facts.
Hi. I totally agree with you. Thanks for your comment. I wanted to say, to John, however, that I would have enjoyed hearing more of what Anthony had to say if John had allowed him to expand on some of his points. I felt it was John who had the agenda and his interview technique needed more to probe, then simply listen. This way, we are more likely to get to the roots of the 'gap' issue and hear the views of his guest.
That's not "indigenous style" it's just a dialogue lol.
What a breath of fresh air these gentlemen breathe into this subject
Can always rely on a great conversation with John on this channel and great to meet Anthony Dillon. Yes let's have a conversation about helping disadvantage no matter what the culture. I will say I'm from Canberra and do not agree with the Voice.
Any disadvantaged eg: aged, chronically ill, disabled - many of whom are NOT eligible for any NDIS.
What an amazing conversation! I encourage everyone to listen!
Two of the wisest men in Australia The reason Tony gives for the general failure of indigenous Australians (poor upbringing) is exactly the same that accounts for poor outcomes in many black American families. It is not racism, but culture and upbringing, as Thomas Sowell shows. The activists only make matters worse by denying agency to those they claim to support. That is true racism.
From what I know of the American situation, and what I definitely know in Australia is that all the modern programs are about power these days. Whilst for two hundred years, here it's been providing care, assimilation, and equal opportunity.
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The same for empoverished and poor whites
Whatever your race , a poor/inadequate upbringing seems to virtually guarantee poor outcomes for children on almost every level.
We need a return to cultural morality as a mainstay of Australian culture.
With 30 billion going to aboriginal issues in my opinion we dont need a voice we need a bloody audit
......or at least a comprehensive critical reassessment and reevaluation.
I think you will find the money is over forty billion and rising. Well, nearly 400,000 people have miraculously found their aboriginal heritage in the last seven years. Nothing to do with money. Its about connection to country and culture.... And the victimhood narrative comes along for the ride.
@@jamiedawe1758 It has a lot to do with money/benefits.
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
@@mikem9001so the aboriginals needs are more so than non aboriginals can you see the hypocrisy of Jacinta comment?
@@stephenlennon7369 No, but I can see the hypocrisy of those who advocate continuing to spend huge amounts on Aboriginal Welfare WITHOUT it getting to the indigenous communities in need.
That is why Jacinta Price, Kerynne Liddel, Anthony Dillon and others are calling for a vote No (they don't need more of the same corruption) and a thorough audit of how money is spent.
Wonderful conversation, so much common sense. This is “the voice” we need. Hope the politicians are listening.
I’m surprised that so few people reference Thomas Sowell as John Anderson did here.
TS is surely one of the giant minds in the world today. So much of what he says is transplantable to Australia.
He is hated by 'black leaders' as he tells the truth while they profit from lies.
Thomas Sowell is suppressed because he _is_ such a great mind. Truth is universal. The idea of "My truth, your truth" is a nonsensical interpretation of opinion. I guess people who refuse to change their opinions when faced with truth would be best described as bigots. No?
"Have we reached the stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, whilst other people are not held accountable for what they, themselves are doing today" - Thomas Sowell.
@@jamiedawe1758 the unfortunate answer is yes. I do think that people like Jacinta Nampinjinpa Price in Australia may be the catalyst to turn this back. Let’s hope so.
Well said.
Very comforting to know reason still exists in Australia.
Brilliant interview - refreshingly honest. Thank you
This is making me teary eyed; WE KNEW THIS FORTY YEARS AGO!!!! And it was kept silent!!!
Thank you John and Anthony.
Thank you Anthony and John, I have been asking how the Voice will fix the social problems and nobody can tell me. I have also said that the Aboriginal people have to solve their own problems, the rest of Australia is willing to help but the solutions have to come from the hearts of indigenous people and they have to implement the solutions.
Vote No, and then support Jacinta Price's call for a comprehensive investigation and audit into our Aboriginal Welfare Industry. Billions of dollars disappear into it each year, without helping the communities that really need it.
@@mikem9001 I live in the bush, I'm part Aboriginal but don't see myself as back or white, I'm just me. I'm voting no and don't know a single person who intends to vote yes. Jacinta is spot on, we need more Aussies like her.
@@JohnWilliams-iw6oq Her leadership has been remarkable. head and shoulders above most politicians in Australia today.
What a great conversation from two Australians👍👍
I was looking back on some school photos and found one of my grade 2 class. I looked at one of my classmates and realised that he was black. It never even occurred to me when I was 7 to think about race or skin colour, he was just my friend.
Thanks to both of you for modelling calm, measured, balanced discussion.
Thank you John and Anthony for a great talk, highlighting the essential for all communities, that each human person is responsible for the path they choose to take, and how it affects their families and those of their communities. We need YOUR voices in parliament, not those of the Marxists... I'm praying that more people will listen to your interview. HeatherC
Thank you gentlemen for this very interesting discussion.
The truth is always appreciated.
Aboriginal issues are people issues, as you said. Humans need a few basic things to be happy and flourish and we want all Australians to have them
The Lord God bless and strengthen you both.
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It's refreshing to see intelligent, thoughtful and positive discussions on indigenous matters instead of the negative victim based racist narrative from the activist architects of the voice and yes campaigners. Thanks John
Wow! what an amazingly honest down to earth, truthful and factual conversation. Thank you. If only more Australian’s could understand the real problems. The day we are all treated the same regardless of race we will all be much better off.
Thank you so much, a most informative and clear illustration of our problems. My ancestors came here as refugees from religious persecution from Prussia, 1839. No colonisation intended.
It's haunting how much this man reminds me of Thomas Sowell. Protect him at all costs.
Anthony Dillon and John Anderson together in conversation... Excellent interaction.
God Bless you Mr Dillon. Your a good human being.
Great conversation between two balanced, intelligent men. The activists should watch it and learn from it.
You know they won't though.
An absolutely great interview. Thank you both. Our prime minister who says he believes in listening to the the indigenous people via the voice then he goes and hypocritically didn’t want to hear from anybody like you two as well as Jacinta price, Warren Mundine and others before he chose to inflict the voice on all of us. The PM only wanted to hear from the voices that support his narrative. Shame on him for what he has done to Australia. I know we’ll recover from this as we are resilient and we need to turn a negative into a positive and help all oppressed peoples in OZ.
Thoughtful discussion, thank you gentlemen.
I am a self described moderate leftie, but have generally found John Anderson to be a man of uncommon sense and intelligence. Lots of food for thought during this pretty toxic time for discussions on Aboriginal affairs and our country.
I applaud you for your magnanimous response to this subject matter.
I'm fairly conservative and respectful of
the other viewpoint.
We all share the possibility of democracy by respecting differing views even if we don't agree entirely with each other.
More power to you for acknowledging the input of two good men who truly care for our country.
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I have loved John Anderson since I worked in the small town of Berrima 30 years ago. He always seemed to me as being highly intelligent with an incredible focus on aboriginal people. I applaud this interview as being one of the most honest and thoughtful interactions I have watched ❤️
Brilliant, the ultimate example of common sense, "thanks guys".
Lots of us especially in Queensland, who grew up in regional and/or rural areas, went to school with the aboriginal kids. We were all fine.
Just in case anyone is questioning John's stories about growing up in a country town with a high indigenous population,
I live in Gunnedah. My parents grew up with John and know him.
The things he has said about his childhood and experiences in this town match the stories my parents told me.
Not often we hear intelligent commentary about indigenous affairs. Well done guys.
Very balanced and unmotivated truth. There's not enough of this around, thank you gentlemen. I wonder how Canadians have dealt with their indigenous people and a voice equivalent. I believe they have tried and failed, what makes people think that it will work in Australia. Times are hard enough today without creating another layer of beaurocracy. Thanks again for sharing that.
I believe that a large proportion of Yong social media followers are voting yes to avoid being branded racist. I fear for the future when these 'sheep' become politicians.
In New Zealand too
Mmm any reports of improvement in NZ to benchmark against ? Probably not or we would have heard about it from either side I guess
Anthony Dillon is simply a brilliant and balanced human being. Why have we not been exposed to him before!
Ive read everything i can find, that he has written.
Read him and listen. Logic and compassion.
Re black deaths in custody, the unsayable truth is that for black and others to die in prison at the same rate, more black people would have to die.
NOBODY thinks that would be a sensible target.
However, truth and honesty would be a sensible target.
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
Wow! A really enjoyable conversation without all the nonsense rhetoric.
Hi John and Anthony, I do wonder why our governments all seem to ploughing more into indigenous organizations to help improve the lives of those most disadvantaged. After all these years there is little progress. We need a coronial inquest into where that money has gone and to hold those organizations and government departments all accountable. As a nurse I attended cultural awareness training. Such training was evidently the outlet for the activists to tell their skewed story. I am aware of the terrible history of the impact of colonization. I wanted to know how our indigenous brothers see health and illness, mental health and mental illness so I could understand the differences so I could help people better. Instead it was about how badly settlers treated the original peoples. If I was to carry the same torch of blame and anger for centuries old wrongs then I would be having a go at the Roman’s, Genghis Kahn, the Vikings, Germans, Cossacks and so on. I am Australian born so Australia is my homeland, my heart is all Australian. In this voice referendum I do wonder where I really stand should the yes vote succeed. There is no real detail and that would be in the regulations which are to be drawn up, after the referendum. This is a constitutional change we all have a right to full information. I do think that this voice referendum is a very cynical exercise by our labor politicians, how on earth would Albany’s believe that he could push the voice with lots of gaps in the info. We all need to attend to this is seriously and to apply due diligence to our choice. My view would take a lot of time so these short remarks could be misrepresented, I hope not. Thank you for this great sincere discussion.
What a gentle, respectful gentleman who can offer his wise views so meekly
Two great Australians. Oh, if we could all behave so well.
Intelligent and classy. It is so refreshing for this topic to be discussed so rationally and calmly. Refreshing. Thank you.
There are disadvantaged people for a myriad of reasons, in all cultures. Some, through no fault of their own, some because they like playing the victim. Some even wear it like it's some kind of badge. It's what lazy people do, who won't even try to be the change they claim to wish to see.
It is definitely not exclusive to Aboriginals.
Bless you both
Wonderful to listen to these 2 men with integrity & wisdom.
Govt has spent millions $$ over the years with nothing to show for it 😈
What in informative and sensible discussion. Thank you.
These are the kind of Australians I look up to. If only we were all as wise.
A good interview. At the end it shows Politics is a dirty business and they do not have any of our interests at heart. Only their own.
Such wisdom and compassion in this conversation. We cannot change the past but have real opportunities to make change if we keep talking and working together.
Anthony Dillon I have had many conversations with him some years back on indigenous issues on political forums. I found him to be very honest & his positions well thought out .
He got a lot of racial abuse from activists but he never sank to their level or even react to their slander. Very solid man.
Anthony’s comment at the end about academia and “papers” that express opinion which becomes “fact” is exactly how some of these social justice issues are now elevated and used as hammers. I have heard other academics say the same thing.
We are one, but we are many. And from all the lands on earth we come. We share a dream, and sing with one voice… I am, YOU are, WE ARE AUSTRALIAN!!
Excellent conversation and seems to be right to the point!
Definitely the ABC need to change their one eyed views
Thanks, John, you find the words that are in my heart but struggle to articulate. I love to understand who benefits from creating such a divide
The first part of my working career was in the public service in Canberra in 1969"s. What struck me was how put of touch with the real world outside of Canberra they were. In the years since I have worked in otherstate and commonweath administrations , and this problem applies to these centralised administrations.
This man needs to educate Lidia Thorpe and the project on a few of these topics. Great discussion.
Anthony's statement, "Idiginous people should look after indigenous matters just doesn’t make sense to me" resonates. We need the best person with the appropriate skills and experiance in rolls that impact our society, whether or not they primarily deal with indigenous or non-indiginous. We don't need someone who has been selected for their race, gender, faith or ideological purity.
Anthony's comment about "going to the denist" made me think about the health care professionals I see. There are many different races and they come from both genders. Onne thing; in all probability, they are all Australian, but most importantly, they are competent and professional.
Doctors and nurses I get but politics lord no!
Thanks to woke intersectional politics, everything is about this superficial 'diversity' so gender/race/sexuality has become the measure, not merit, competence or ability.
Our current "Hands off, throw money at it" approach is the result of numerous attempts at interventionist and non-interventionist approches being vilified or twisted to suit more modern narratives.
From attempts that resulted in failures, successes and the many limited variations there of both.
Upon being criticised, twisted and vilified for these numerous approaches, the more modern Government's threw up its hands & gave up trying if all that comes from it is these previous attempts being used against them.
So they simply left the indigenous community to their own devices, gave them specialised rights to conduct their cultural activities regardless of the law for others and threw more & more money at the issue.
Even expanding legislation to include Positive Discrimination laws that allow employers to exclude anyone but indigenous people from being able to apply for the position.
Don't get me wrong, I want indigenous people to live their lives as they see fit. As we all should be able to.
It's clear, however, that everything that's been attempted has not worked to fix the issue's. If anything it's only caused more division and animosity between indigenous and non-indiginous people.
And that's before taking the current state of the media, international governtments & corperations and activists affect on it all into account.
It's exhausting for anyone that's just attempting to wrap their head around it for a loose understanding, I imagine it would be far worse for those whom are directly affected by it.
the voice seems more of the same and the same leadership thats so destructive for aboriginal matters projected on the rest of australia.
Nope, it's just taken a long time for Australia to realise that we don't have to listen to privileged white old men in 'power'@@melhawk1352
On point with the dentist comment!
As long as the person is skilled/ qualified in dental care who cares about their characteristics!
A senior person in one of the social welfare fields told me privately that the policy that aboriginals must be served by other aboriginals, was denying aboriginals in need, the best service available. There were not enough qualified aboriginals in the field.
@@peterwebb8732 outright disgusting! That would be like stating woman must be treated by woman in the gynaecology profession, even if there was a shortage of female gynaecologists.
@@robertholland7558 That would be a very good analogy.
If we really care about indigenous people, we will vote NO in the referendum. And we will support Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine calling for a thorough investigation and reform of the bloated corrupt Indigenous Welfare industry.
@@mikem9001 Broaden that enquiry to include the distribution of funds from mining royalties and other sources f income.
My old School like so many in Sydney give scholarships to many indigenous children to change lives, and it’s working ❤
Not just schools but universities and TAFE as well.
Decades ago, as a retired microbiologist, I can confirm that syphilis and TB were considered endemic in indigenous communities. Also some instances of leprosy.
I have been saying the same thing for many years- if we truly want indigenous people to have equality, they must abide by the same laws. You can't protect perpetrators and alliw wrongs against women and children in the name of " culture"- that is the greatest racist slap in the face to indigenous people. all Australuan children should be protected in the same way. There are some profound entrenched problems that Aboriginals need to deal with amongst themselves- root out the perpetrators, protect the women and children. It's hard to improve the lives of people without ownership of the problems in the communities. Like drug addicts and drunks everywhere, they have to take responsibility for their own actions without blaming others. Meantime, the innocents need to be protected. As an Australian I am proud of how we genuinely want to help Aboriginals. But it needs to be a partnership and that means letting go of the long held resentments because it just holds people back.
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
@@mikem9001 brilliant.
We have hope again.
Very good discussion.
Small critique: Racism is simply determining the value and traits of a person, and the opportunities and freedoms available to them, based on their race. Hate and fear, attraction and rejection, and all other emotions felt as a result, are emotional expressions of this determination.
Just as all emotions are always a consequence of the relationships we have towards something not the predicate that creates the relationship.
Other than that, it is heartening to hear your discussion on the many often unspoken and hidden issues impacting our most disadvantaged populations, and your approach to engaging with the often complex challenge of helping people raise themselves and their communities.
This is so spot on. Where work needs to center after tomorrow. Listen to the opening lines in particular.
One vital point is his reference to suicides from the idle people. Proven with those on the Tiwi Is when the suicide death rate drops right off during the football season that they love
Anthony is a clever and very articulate man, rational and logical in his thinking ... he's also a Magician as a hobby which makes him even more awesome (I miss the Geniis!).
Would’ve liked to hear more from Anthony Dillon
Agree. The only good outcome of the voice is finally getting to listen to different opinions within the indigenous community.
It seems to me that Jacinta Price, and yourselves, have hit the nail on the head.
Protect the children and give them a safe environment to grow up in and they will thrive.
Can't see the mob who want to run the 'voice' doing that .... after all, they have had years and spend billions but have gone backwards if anything... a big NO for me
Great interview Shared and hopefully others will take the time to watch and learn. Thank you
What an excellent conversation, thank you both
I dont believe I have heard of Mr Dillan before and he vocalised the obvious truths
I was going to ask if he was related to Colin Dillon and John brought up his father. Bought his book several years ago, huuuuuge respect.
Thank you to you both, what a great discussion.
I’d like Anthony to tell us where the 30 billion dollars are spent each year on the disadvantage indigenous people to help them, I’ve seen what happens in the Alice and a lot of other major towns. What I see is the Indigenous activists being the ones benefiting from this money
"If we chose to serve Australians on the basis of needs and not race, those opportunists who self-identify as Aboriginal would disappear quick smart". - Senator Jacinta Price.
What a delightful gentleman. Thank you 🙏
Good honest talk boys, and well handled.
Making 4 yr old apologise for doing wrong when they weren't even born or their parents. It's disgusting, should not be allowed. Teachers should be sacked!! If it was my sml child I would be wanting an apology to my child. A lot of these woke ideas pushed on.our children is soooo wrong and how dare they!!! A lot of us who are Christians do not agree with a lot of these woke ideas.keep them to themselves!!!
Not all "stolen generation" removals were for neglect, abuse etc. My brother's father was a "Sunshine" kid, removed and sent to hospital for medical treatment. He was indigenous. But white children were also removed from rural areas where the medical facilities were not there for their treatment. There was no malice involved.
Loved this talk.
I have had to do the same thing myself.
Stay put and persevere with limited job prospects and probably sit down money.
Or pack up and move to where the opportunities are.
And I and my wife never looked back. Sure, we missed the country environment,
But we made a new home.
True indigenous disadvantage is expecting someone to hand you your solutions on a silver platter and not even recognising that you are the biggest piece of the problem !
Yep!
Same applies to everyone actually, but the indigenous activists are pushing it a lot. I grew up never expecting anything to be handed to me, and from a young age studied hard and worked hard and invested to have what I have.
Excellent interview,democracy , multicultural country that's what we want ,united together stronger,,i start singing i am ,you are ,we are Australian.
Across society. Absolutely. Luckily we have people who have a good head on their shoulders. Integrity. Honesty. Clear critical thinking.
An estimated 500,000 Australian families are under financial stress - choosing between paying the bills and feeding the kids. Instead of spending $368M on this referendum, each of them could have been given $700 to buy food. #VoteNo
There’s a certain sad irony in watching the reaction of Voice proponents to Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price finding and using her voice.
I truly love and respect Mr Dillon
Wise men explain life,
Victims whin about facts that happened over 200(1778) year's in the distant past.
Life can and does move forward, like mother nature.
If you choose to live in the past, you can always find another to endure that past, if you can make money from it,or force control, you have an industry.
I wasn't alive 200(1778) year's ago, I've got values of this time of 2023, I'm not responsible for long dead people who I didn't know.
In conclusion,
I'm educated, with an intelligence of the mind.
So I can learn and think, to understand both education and research to put forward a informed opinion on this topic, of the "Voice" and research the word's and see the collation between 1840-2023 prosses of the language and actions of the Marxism throughout history within countries and it's outcomes.
So in my understanding I'm voting "NO" in this referendum!
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I think the whole issue about men abrogating their traditional roles for their children to women is a global issue. I would argue that this is a value that should therefore be pushed globally, that men are not men who act like irresponsible boys when not taking responsibility for their offspring. Women raising children on their own are heroic, yet there is still a lot of stigma if they are not doing it perfectly. Being poor and overworked absolutely makes this infinitely harder.
Yet so many men can wander off and live their lives, especially if the parental relationship has broken down, with no stigma attached at all. As a society, we know that a father being present and responsible is better for the child. My argument is that we need to change our whole attitude to letting men off the hook. They need to be called out and take on their fair share of the financial and care giving responsibility, for the sake of the children they father.
I agree with Anthony.
How do we bridge the gap with people who chose to live traditional Remote lives? It's just not possible unless they chose to move close to big cities where they have access to medical facilities, schools and other welfare agencies. There is just no way to bridge the gap with these people and if they chose to live this life why should tax payers continue to send money their way when most of it is very obviously swallowed by bureaucracy.
White families can no longer foster indigenous children and there are not enough well to do indigenous families to take them.
I don't see any gap bridging by spending money as we do. I only see gap bridging when indigenous want to assimilate into white mans world and that is the destruction of the indigenous culture.
It's a situation that has no easy fix.
I've encountered situations where the indigenous grandparents are raising their grandchildren without any economic support, while trying to do so on the pension. The parents just dumped the kids on them.
I had a cousin do this to her parents. Kids just get in the way
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I completely love these guys. ❤❤❤❤
Very measured comments by this gentleman.
I would be interested to see a poll covering a sample from ALL “disadvantaged” people in Australia, regardless of race/ancestry, to see their voting intentions….
An aboriginal to be proud of. A true Australian.
What is the point of having a ministry of indigenous affairs if they are not competent at dealing with the issues at hand ?