For those asking about my broken finger: Last Saturday, while on the way home from an event, I was struck by a drunk driver. Got taken to the hospital, got a bunch of glass taken out of my arms, but luckily, the only real damage was my broken pinky finger. My car was 100% totaled, however. Now I'm just dealing with the insurance company. Thanks everyone for the concern. 😊
Been saying this for 5 years now it feels like. Every streamer and youtuber who talked about how much they love the OG leveling experience all follow and preach rxp or zygor. It's so antithetical to the classic leveling experience I can't even....
@@ryanmullen483 Thats 99% of the "classic" playerbase. They dont WANT vanilla, they want fresh seasonal servers for that dopamine hype train of what classic LAUNCH was in 2019. If you all really wanted vanilla theres era but shits dead as fuck. Nobody wants to play perma vanilla content cause they don't actually like the game lmfao.
@@veppy4952 Era Whitemane is still active man. we're progging Naxx right now. still raid MC/BWL/AQ40/ZG/AQ20 every week. still roaming STV looking for victims
@@garrettk7152 AFAIK, I never knew they put it back in the game. This was around the time they also changed names and things in classic as well. Because of the drama with blizzard. I think it is still out of the game / removed.
the same with the Quests u have in Classic too, sure the first time nice the second time nice too, but the 3rd or 4th time u take the fastes route. Sure some ppl dont do that, but the most ppl. I started WoW with pre TBC back in the Day, but i pref the Cataclysm Quest design more, take all quest do the stuff move on. I really hate it, when in Classic i get a Quest " Go in that tunnel and kill 10 Kobols" after that u get " Go again in that tunnel and kill 8 bigger Kobolds" and after that " Go a 3rd time in that Tunnel and take the Chest @ the end." .
After seeing how many elite areas got turned into normal mob areas, I kind of wish all of them got turned into dungeons for cata instead. Stuff like Jintha Alor or Stromgarde.
Sean Dempsey shows up at least once more in the forsaken quest lines in Silverpine. It's a hidden quest. When you kill the Crocolisks outside the Gilnean gates by the marsh you might pick up his head. You, undead Godfrey and the other barons search for the rest of his parts to bring him back to life. Only to then kill him again. I don't know how or why he got eaten up in the first place. But it's a neat little call back for any worgen players who play forsaken too.
Classes in cata were perfect. It was the first time I had more than just a main and 1 alt. I've made all the classes and it was hard to focus on one class since all were amazingly done.
Did they make dk runes in one specific type of runes depending on your spec in legion? And hunters having focus, man... Maybe I'll check it out one day.
@@eveahn9595 they made hunter use focus, but dk runes functioned similar, except a second rune cant start it's cooldown before the first one finishes. This was offset by Runic Empowerment to make use od runic power better. Also they made uhdk similar playstyle to blood dps in wotlk, which is was more fun objectively
Has anyone else had the bug where they do a random dungeon queue in LFG and then after completing, that dungeon is no longer on the list of dungeons to queue for, even when being in the level range for it? It happened for Dead Mines and Black Fathom Deeps for me. But yeah, other than some bugs, I love Cata classic as Cataclysm is my favorite iteration of WoW. The perfect mix of convenience and QoL stuff, but still has its features and stuff that make it still feel like classic WoW. (Class trainers, leveling isn't too fast, but is a decent pace, the mobs feeling actually dangerous, gear still matters at all levels, etc.) Plus the questing is linear, but in a way that feels complete. Compared to Vanilla world where many areas felt they didn't even have finished quest lines, or very many quests at all, or making you travel half way across the world just to do a simple quest. Overall I think Cata quest/world update was meaningful and was 100% for the better.
Excited for cata. Been prepping since prepatch launched and sadly, I think this'll be my last year with wow. Not too amped for the next few new expansions, nor did I like MOP-Legion. So unless Legion Classic is eventually a thing, I think this is it. Gonna play Cata like it fkn matters!
I just hit 40 on cata classic on my Arms warrior and it just feels like retail and not in the good way. I went mining and engineering and those bombs you can craft were useful in the first 20 levels and i was having a good time but by the time i hit lvl 25, i was nearly killing mobs in a single attack because i was critting for 80% of their health 2/3rds of the time. Im blowing through entire questing zones in a single sitting and I have yet needed to eat or use bandages when i can just kill a mob in less than 2 seconds and blood thirst off another to heal right back up and even engineering has been useless for 20 levels. Im trying to stick with it but man, i really miss TBC.
The spider you fought at 9:26 is supposed to be a big, bad spider, and you're a lowly adventurer, right? But the spider died in a few seconds, and you lost about 25% of your health... And that is before you get the level 10 super buffs.
2:58 I was beating myself up trying to remember if and where Sean Dempsey was from, and just this past year I had been introduced to The Dubliners! Thanks for solving that mystery for me!
It's about time people stop peddling the myth that cata feels like retail. Cata feels a lot like the expansion after wrath. Classes and systems are incredibly similar. It's actually a fun expansion, cata haters are finally starting to dwindle cause they're actually playing and not just yelling talking points that aren't true.
Or you’re like me, you dont like cata for good reason, open world flying sucking the life and huge world feeling of the game. Open world feels like it’s dead because of LFD and blizzards refusal to do what they did to classic to cata with cross realm to make the game feel like it has other players to meet. Also dont like the class design change of my main class (hunter). Who cares about deathwing? Paid level boost LOL. A lot of cata haters are probably dwindling because like me, their time has come to a complete end and they left the game, if you enjoy cata then good i hope you enjoy it but for me its back to classic and try this new season of discovery and if thats not for me then ill be done with world of warcraft as i was the first time around until vanilla was rereleased.
@@Real-Ruby-Red Flying was in TBC and Wrath. LFD was wrath. And hunter is WAY better with focus instead of running out of mana and having to do bad damage with viper Paid level boost was TBC/Wrath as well Sounds like you hate TBC and Wrath not just Cata lmao
@@BeraninFlying in tbc and wrath wasnt the main world of the game, those continents were designed with flying in mind. LFD sucked just as much in wrath as it will in cata, your views on hunter are subjective and personal as are mine, paid level boost came out in pre cata prepatch and it still sucks they decided to do that, the 1 level boost an expac for the sad sacks I didnt like but could tolerate. Say what you want, classic has been popular theres no doubt and it will die off slowly, look at the # of available servers closing down due to the population die off. If you’re happy then goodluck to you but dont tell me I have to enjoy eating shit like you, the game dwindled after woltk once and its already doing it for a 2nd time.. Numbers dont lie.
I remember back in the day, I would get home from middle school excited to watch the newest Nixxiom machinina video. There are times that I look back and miss those times. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I miss machinima content, and even gameplay content like the LOTR challenge. But if you are happy and successful doing more content like this, I support you Nixxiom, as a long time fan. Also, good luck dealing with insurance, and I’m glad you’re alright.
The point that you make about hitting level 10 and beginning to one shot things is interesting, I just leveled a char on classic SoD for the first time and honestly there were noticable power ups that you'd pick up when you got certain runes or certain abilities at certain levels, but it never made me feel OP, I very much could still easily die if I pulled too many enemies. I think the strongest powerup I got was when I got maelstrom weapon on my shaman because it allowed me to instant cast some spells or heals periodically which enabled me to be able to start pulling 2-3 enemies at most before doing unlike before where even 2 enemies could be a death sentence if I couldn't kill one fast enough or ran OOM. You're still much stronger in SoD than you were original classic but enemies can still wipe you out if you get over confident.
Hey! Just to make a "poke" but once u get to the war within your character has been through alot and collected alot of gear... sooo its kinda natural u should feel alot more powerfull by then compared to a starter char (But as u said this is easily copied with the use of hierlooms ofc). Best wishes!
Interesting. Because for the longest time I maintained that the critical fault of 4.06 was the ungodly player power increase that let us 1-2 shot mobs, and that basically sapped any threat out in the world. Instances, ofc, were diff. Overall, there was this massive incomprehensible understanding of power balance in that (original) expansion. A lot of other stuff, too. Sharp to hear Blizz got their act together on that... I forgot, however, how much of a suck it is on the linear questing - that Blizz decided to script/determine the experience for the player (linear) rather than letting us pick/choose how we'd engage the world (dynamic). That sucked hard, and they'd have to delete so much to override that... I still gotta say, I miss Vash'jir. Man that was a great zone, linear questing or not.
No matter if players like to play as Worgen or not, the Gilneas starting zone experience is by far the best in the game. The people I played with back in the day, both irl and in-game, all pretty much shared my opinion. The fact that it's so good, combined with the fact that when you out-level the zone it then becomes completely irrelevant makes it just a crime against the players. And all just because of an almost misguided sense of equality from Blizzard, who decided that because a bunch of dumb-ass Goblins decided to make an active volcano their home that was lost when it blew up, it wouldn't be fair to the players that the Alliance then would have one more capital city than the Horde so they made sure that after leveling there wouldn't be anything useful there to go back to, when it could have been just as functional as Stormwind or Ironforge. And I'm not sure but I bet the people who created the artwork, the quest and the phasing tech couldn't have been happy when they realized the zone they worked on for a couple of years would be abandoned by players after the better part of an evening. Such a shame
I remember back when I played cata, I was doing pvp and getting one-shot by any assassination rogue with heirlooms. It was one of those weird thresholds due to the huge dmg of ambush and the talent you could get as the first thing that increased its crit chance to close to 100%, people would just get straight up deleted and camped on the bg respawn.
Doesn't it bother you to get sponsored by Zygor? Who like many addons, completely disregard ToS. Since ToS says paid addons are against the rules (not that Blizz really does anything about it). But from a principle point of view u are advocating for a team that goes against the rules of the game. Just curious to hear your thought on the matter and absolutely don't mean this ill-intended. I love your content and sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with your takes, but i'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
After playing it over the past week or so, I have been pleasantly surprised by how much I'm enjoying it so far. I think the classes all feel quite good, buttons feel good to press without things getting overly complicated or having too many core spells to worry about. The questing overhaul was really refreshing as I never hit a wall where I had to grind mobs or travel halfway across the world to find more quests my level to complete. The pacing was nice, and getting a spec specific spell at level 10 feels so good. I think Cataclysm has been misjudged. While it may have been somewhat lacking in endgame content perhaps, it did so much for the rest of the game that gets so often overlooked when judging expansions. Endgame isn't the entire game. I used to love leveling up alts, and for me, that started in Cataclysm and I can clearly see why that is the case. I would much rather play Cataclysm world of warcraft, than live, that's for sure. I also think Cataclysm's world revamp is easier to enjoy now than it was originally, because we still have classic era to experience the original world without having to go to private servers. So those that prefer the original version can still play original wow. Admittedly it would have been nice to have a single era tbc server and a single era wotlk server for those then particularly enjoy those expansions, but it is what it is I suppose. My only gripe with cataclysm that I've personally encountered so far, is, like you said, getting a talent point every other level doesn't feel great. Every time I level up I open my talents and half the time I'm disappointed. I like the actual talent trees a lot though, so it's a minor gripe. I think cataclysm talents have the right amount of complexity without being confusing. Retail talent trees end up giving you half of your spells which is a little jarring, even for a veteran player like myself. Also, while there is definitely a lot lost with dungeon finder, the convenience factor is pretty massive. I just had a son, and although I would love to continue playing classic hardcore, I simply just don't have the block time to play at this stage in my life. With cataclysm dungeon finder, not only do I only need maybe 20 minutes at a time, but if I need to leave in the middle, I'm not screwing my group over. So it's a trade off. Good for some, bad for others. So long as both remain playable options, I think everybody wins.
If I was able to make gear for the class I am playing as I level that would be awesome! Being able to craft BiS gear as you level every 10 levels getting some op would be sweet
I'm level 30 on my troll shaman at the moment and Im using a mix of questing and crafted gear. I'm loving being able to make some of my own gear and that professions feel relevant :D Also very interested in a level up series, i personally love cata leveling but im playing horde onky at the moment seeing the alliance side of things would be cool
Cata was always fun, why Cata isn't well looked at is mainly: 1- Old World doesn't exist 2- 1-60 = new, 70-80 go back to TBC and WOTLK feels disconnected, then 80-85 back to new 3- Longest time between raids, the down time was insane, especially compare to how good and diverse the tier 11 is. 4- Buggy a lot of bugs or lack of polish 5- The Hype, they sold every feature like Archeology but in the end everything was boring or not cooked enough (no water raid)
Blizzard NEEDS TO do a cinematic opening with their main bad guy like they did with DeathWing. Go see some reactions to the opening cinematic or rewatch it yourself, the feeling they capture for DeathWing was actually terrifying lol
more linear questing is a pro to me rather than a con, it feels really bad to have to run 3000 yards to talk to someone then run 3000 yards back to talk to another person to then run 3000 yards back again for a minimal reward
I was really looking forward to this but I am not enjoying this right now! My issue is the numerous bugs that are present in the pre patch! Even the "known" issues post by Blizzard is ridiculous, and doesn't even come close to covering all the issues! And a lot of it is very basic stuff, things like your character screen not remembering the state it was in (It doesn't even remember to show your stats! You have to click the arrow every time, almost like they thought the player only wants to view the wardrobe not the stats.), and also the glyphs scroll bar with a mouse wheel does not work at all!
So agree with you about professions. The gear you can make while levelling is irrelevant and with Chromie time it’s hardly possible to even level a profession let alone use the gear. I’m also not keen on the DF system of professions which is set up a profession factory and make money from it. This is MMO professions whereas I want RPG professions - go out into the world, gather stuff and make something relevant for your character. The current system doesn’t support that. I had a bunch of patterns I could make for others but not for myself due to the Spark system.
Cata had the best balanced leveling experience, and butthole tearing brutal heroics (at the time). I loved it and the only thing I wish was different was Dragon Soul being a bit harder.
i don't see "linear" in questing is a bad thing. If the quest are good, a good lore or mini history is well maded then it doesnt matter that they make you move from here to there all the time
@@WinterWolf99 if the mobs were stronger a lot of players would quit before even reaching cataclysm 80-85 content. That sounds like the most surefire bad decision they could ever do, both for community and economically
Its pretty hard to balance everything and the fact that it felt easy after you got a massive bump in gear from crafting isn't going to be everyone's experience. If anything alot of people would say its important for players to feel their gearing was impactful and feel good to be overpowered for a time.
To be honest - Cataclysm was my favourite expansion until the Dragon Soul patch - it not only destroyed whole Cata reputation, but the game's as a whole. Bastion of Twilight with Sinestra and Nefarian as first raid tiers (with Al'akir as a bonus)! Firelands - both raid and zone, that changes as you progress! Hard Dungeons where you actually need to cc mobs! Hyjal leveling! This expansion had one of the strongest lineup in WoW's history.
and then you keep on leveling and suddenly realize there is 0 people from the oposite faction and you got yanked away from any immersion you were in on
Im leveling a night elf mage right now and it doesnt feel like Classic with how quickly ive been killing mobs (without looms as well). Its still fun though to play with the older spells and talents.
I would say leveling up one character is fun in cata, but the questlines get old fast. At least that's how I remember it being back in the day. One was fun enough, but those alts were a snooze fest
I saw deathwing last night live in the world, actually really enjoying it this time. As a sidenote, i dont like duskwood, i dont like that vibe and the spiders. Taking them out is so weak, thats engagement for me. So stupid considering people pay 30 bucks to watch horror in theaters. Its engagement, its warcraft. Not stardew valley. Perfect example of how wow fell in the first place.
I tried it for a week, finally uninstalled it today. sad to bid my TBC and WOTLK classic characters goodbye but it feels too much like retail WoW now. Guess SOD is my WoW home for the foreseeable future for now.
9:34 My damn generation and let me say this was raised on brutal videos that we found online, and now we have arachnophobia filter for the generation after us. Damn what is this nonsense we are getting fed on, I remember the old kinda gruesome textures in old WoW, it pisses me that the zones that should take this very same apperiance (Maldraxxus) are looking like a god damn cartoon stuff. I hate that my guys, i really hate that about the game i felt love for.
This expansion got way too much hate. The difficulty is just right, not OP like retail but it doesn't take you 30 secs to beat a mob. We have transmog, flying in Azeroth. My favourite classic expansion
Cata was great if you came from vanilla, unfortunately, they tried to re-brand the game and make it more casual and the new player base just found it all too difficult and complained.
I'm so sick and tired of these nostalgia lords constantly crying about how cataclysm ruined the world and how the expansion was bad compared to WotLK. Stay at WotLK or classic then but a simple map change isn't that controversial. Loved it back in the day because it actually brought something new to the game that I can explore and have fun with. Oh and all these people who are thinking now "BuT mE bArrEns" there are enough P-servers for WotLK up already. Whitemane is launching its Frostmourne realm on the 31st of may, go play there.
I actually like the questing of Cataclysm the best of all the different expansions and leveling/questing changes. Each area has its own story that you contribute to without being "THE HERO". Classic leveling feels too much like you're running around doing shit that achieves very little, while in Cata it feels like I'm actually having an effect on the world narrative even if its small. I feel like its the right middle ground between Classic and Retail leveling imo.
I get what you're saying, I loved Silverpine forest storyline a lot, but mobs are too easy, professions are useless and lfging gives you more xp anyway. It all felt useless, at least for me. I still leveled slowly by questing, because dungeon spamming got boring fast (what's the use of all the people in the group if you don't interact at all?). But it was really, really boring gameplay-wise. I wish I could just read all the quests and books and whatever you had to interact with without killing mobs. There were also mobs with exclamation marks, like mini bosses or something but there was nothing special about them, you killed them with ease, too. Maybe if not all quests gave you gear or weapon as a reward or no quests at all gave you them and lfg teleportation wasn't available until level cap, leveling would feel better (and dungeons, too, because gear from dungeons would feel even more worth it, because of the demand to travel by foot or on mount). And professions would feel more rewarding that way. I dunno. Cataclysm just wasn't designed as a journey, even though it had all these cool and really interesting storylines (but they don't feel as good after you complete them once because of gameplay problems described above, especially in goblin and worgen starting zones which you can't escape until you complete them because of phasing restrictions and thus you don't feel like you have full control to do anything your heart desires) I started in cata, I love many of its features, but overall I prefer classic approach despite classic having tons of outdated things and mechanics
@eveahn9595 eh. I think you and I have different tastes for MMOs. I would actually prefer an MMO without leveling grind. Give me a story and let me progress the story and my gear, I do not want to be gated from story and content by a made up number. So Cataclysm leveling is a bit too slow for me but I like the stories and the feeling of getting more powerful. I have 0 interest in whether or not it should be longer, the story should decide that imo
@@jacobyboyer3681 I'm not a fan of grind, either, I'm a fan of open alive world in which you can escape from your own just to do something stupid with your fellas or do quests or whatever. Classic provides that to some degree. Cata doesn't, unfortunately. World was a little empty even then if we don't count capital cities and starting zones. You want to become powerful? Me too. But you don't feel like you're becoming powerful in cata while leveling. Whatever spell you get or don't get (maybe you decided not to spend gold and wait a level or two, idk), whatever talent you choose just doesn't matter (in open world at least). The abilities or spells you get don't matter in terms of killing mobs faster, you just maybe get some shiny cool looking ability, but that's it. I don't feel it making me more powerful. In classic I do. Because there's not much gear, everything I find or craft or buy or steal or whatever - all of it instantly makes me feel more powerful. Sorry for trying to convert you or something, it's just nostalgia hitting me and I'm also an idiot. I think what you really would enjoy is some single player bioware-like rpg from blizzard with no grind or undead rogue gankers, just you and well-written story you can fully immerse with. I wouldn't mind playing such a game, too.
@eveahn9595 no worries on the conversion lmao. I'm an RPG player first and foremost. I'd rather play an RPG than an MMO but when I play MMOs I tend to just want to be max level and experiencing the story and content. That said I'm also down to run Heroic raid and Mythic + but if imma level another toon I want something more interesting and we'll written than classic but less speeding through a zone before I can experience the story like in retail.
Cata is just in the perfect middle between the classic and modern feeling. TBC immediatly moves the main game from Azeroth to Outland and even if it adds upon Classic mechanics, it's really a huge shift from Vanilla, it's meant to be experienced as an expansion rather than an evergreen experience like Vanilla. WotLK feels plain out odd, it has deep root in Classic, but instead of expanding on it, it twists it while not completely changing it. This results in most classes only properly working at max level, and feeling unfinished while leveling. The leveling experience is very weird, the Paladin is a complete disgrace and is all what they didn't want the warrior to be in OG WoW : a default MMO fighter class with mana. Same goes for the hunter. They didn't give up upon spell ranks, but they effectively removed downranking. It makes no sense. Why ? Cata handled it right, they had to change some mechanics, and they did it mostly well, the leveling is fun, you get your core spells early on, yet every new spells feels like a new option and a great upgrade. The talent points are fine, they're on odd levels while new spells are on even levels, so you're guaranteed to get something every time you level up. The points are more significant, they give you something immediately exploitable, and they don't feel like a shore like "put 5 points here to get 2% damage with x spell, so you can unlock this core ability". Of course there are some exceptions, but that's right most of the time. For me it's the last time WoW felt like an RPG, you still had to learn your spells to the trainer, professions are still a thing, stats are simple but fun, they removed superfluous stats like spell/armor penetration, you're not in some other world / island, you're in Azeroth, in the continents, there's no physical separation between the leveling and max level zones. It really feels like the perfect base of a wotlk+ experience. I'd be really down if they raised the levels of LK raids to 85 after DS goes on, and give us some new / scrapped dungeons or raids. I just think people were pissed because "no lich king + zones changed", and that's true, back then, there was no alternative to see the old world.
@@aFoolsMartyr I have memories of a hunter friend who was always complaining to me because everytime he was close to outdps I just used combustion and skyrocket my dps, I didn't even have dragonira lmao
I vividly remember having so much fun leveling my feral druid through the new barrens and 1K needles/Tanaris in the orginal CATA. Also, the CATA zones are super cool imo. Deepholm is still one of my favorite zones to this day.
I found the quests to be incredibly boring. It doesn’t feel like an rpg, it feels like I’m at a carnival running from one quick mini game to the next. It’s too artificial and cheesy
If you don’t pay attention to the storyline within the quests, then yes, it’ll be boring. If you’re looking for an RPG experience, either read the quests or download AI voiceover
@@shawtynoikilpeople3905 risk of what? murlocs running around and pulling more? players of other factions ganking you? No thanks.If you want risk then play Elden Ring
I started at mop, never played classic nor cataclysm before and played every single expansion since legion (at least first patch ...). As a group of 4 we all wanted to try this expansion and it felt good. Just as you said, it really felt like a hybrid between classic and modern wow. Leveling seems balanced, died a few times with my priest, had to drink mana and use hpots. The same way I was harsh with mop just because of pandas, I think that og players are a bit too harsh with this expansion. The game still had a soul compared to last expansions imo.
love the Dubliners. As for increased speed in stealth, I believe that came with tbc. I will admit, when it does come to cata, the goblin and worgen starter zones were the best.
Cata to me was when the game felt the most complete, everyone had options to experience the content if they wanted to. When it comes to lvling I feel like people remember bis enchant heirlooms and just oneshotting mobs with fiery weapon and crusader even tho that was present all the way back in vanilla just fewer people knew about it until twinking became way more popular in cata. The game is only as difficult as you make it which has always been true until blizzard added outdoor world scaling far later down the road.
This crap is only seen as paletable in contrast to just how stinky the current crap blizzard produces. At the time, no one thought it could continue to decline for so many years following, yet here we are. Cataclysm is crap.
I made a fresh Undead Warlock when Cata launched, and now that he's 43 I must admit my experience has been pretty mixed so far. Keeping in mind that I've only been leveling through questing for the most part, only doing dungeons when a quest required me to go. I found that when you hit around level 12-13, most of your quest begin to turn green and you have that slight level advantage on the mobs you're killing, this only really stopped when I hit the Eastern Plaguelands. In terms of professions I took Enchanting and Tailoring, and while at the start I made some cloth gear for myself and a couple of bags later on, I ended up only making things to progress my enchanting by disenchanting the lot. If you want to travel the world a bit without feeling like you're losing progress on anything, Archeology is pretty good for that, allowing you to get out of the zone you're questing in for a short period without the feeling of "where the hell was I again" when returning. There are plenty of bugs at the moment, some of which are quite disappointing, not being able to do a BG for my Arathi Highlands quest because they've been disabled due to the experience gained being extremely broken, most of the cooking dailies not being able to be done in the Undercity due to objects that you need to pick up being unclickable.
Cata had a lot of good, but it reaaaally took linearity to the next level. And the gamification of reward tiers was just...too much for me. The combat was good at least.
I enjoy Cata, even I don't think it's classic, because I like Goblins and I love their starting quests in Kezan and The Lost Isles. Basicaly Goblins are the main reason I play Cata in first place.
Reason I think Cata failed as it did, was because people didn't have as strong of a tie towards Deathwing as a villain, and the Old Gods being as fleshed out either, all they had been until then was sort of filler raids, with somewhat interesting story. Then the Twilight Hammer had sort of a fanbase, but not as big as perhaps Gul'Dan from Warcraft where he came from. Many things was there in the story in the background, or raid content, along with books, which most people didn't really read, they just wanted to play the game and experience the story that way. If Deathwing had been built up I'm sure Cata would've done much better, along with more Old Gods lore. Sadly they didn't and probably didn't think they had to, since WoW had done extremely well so far by that time. But now Deathwing is a beloved villain, as is the Old Gods, and Twilight Hammers, so I imagine people will be more happy and enjoy the experience once again, giving what they dismissed back then, another try, looking at it from a new perspective
So is Cata a completely fresh realm where you start from zero? I somehow thought it was Wotlk shifting to Catalysm... meaning my 80lvl character will go to Cata
For those asking about my broken finger:
Last Saturday, while on the way home from an event, I was struck by a drunk driver. Got taken to the hospital, got a bunch of glass taken out of my arms, but luckily, the only real damage was my broken pinky finger. My car was 100% totaled, however. Now I'm just dealing with the insurance company.
Thanks everyone for the concern. 😊
Holy shit dude, glad to hear you're OK!
I'm so sorry to hear you have to go thru this. Glad you're alright.
glad you are ok chief
Glad you're okay! That's rough.
Wow I'm glad you weren't totaled too brother!!!
"Cata questing is more linear and hand holdy, anyway this video is sponsored Zygor to hold your hand through the questing experience of classic"
Been saying this for 5 years now it feels like. Every streamer and youtuber who talked about how much they love the OG leveling experience all follow and preach rxp or zygor. It's so antithetical to the classic leveling experience I can't even....
@@ryanmullen483 Thats 99% of the "classic" playerbase. They dont WANT vanilla, they want fresh seasonal servers for that dopamine hype train of what classic LAUNCH was in 2019. If you all really wanted vanilla theres era but shits dead as fuck. Nobody wants to play perma vanilla content cause they don't actually like the game lmfao.
@@veppy4952 Era Whitemane is still active man. we're progging Naxx right now. still raid MC/BWL/AQ40/ZG/AQ20 every week. still roaming STV looking for victims
Yup. “I like the original wow it was the best” loads up 50 addons to help them play
Done every zone quests now for the first time and I think they are surprisingly fun and well designed
Does Garrosh call Sylvanas a bitch?
Yes. It was removed for only 1 expansion then put back in Legion
@@JonpaulGee Is there a profanity filter? If there is it must be turned on by default. I did that quest yesterday and he didn't call her a bitch.
Now he call her Biaaaatch.
@@garrettk7152 AFAIK, I never knew they put it back in the game. This was around the time they also changed names and things in classic as well. Because of the drama with blizzard. I think it is still out of the game / removed.
They took it out for cata classic
the same with the Quests u have in Classic too, sure the first time nice the second time nice too, but the 3rd or 4th time u take the fastes route. Sure some ppl dont do that, but the most ppl. I started WoW with pre TBC back in the Day, but i pref the Cataclysm Quest design more, take all quest do the stuff move on. I really hate it, when in Classic i get a Quest " Go in that tunnel and kill 10 Kobols" after that u get " Go again in that tunnel and kill 8 bigger Kobolds" and after that " Go a 3rd time in that Tunnel and take the Chest @ the end." .
After seeing how many elite areas got turned into normal mob areas, I kind of wish all of them got turned into dungeons for cata instead. Stuff like Jintha Alor or Stromgarde.
@@kyleellis1825 yeah that would be awesome. The one part is love in Classic is the Group Part!
And that's how you eventually get retail, use your brain
Worgen still has best starting zone imo
I'm really partial to Eversong Woods and Ghostlands.
Hey Nixxiom. Do you want to come over for dinner on Thursday this week? We are having meatloaf.
endgame honestly was fine, people just remember Dragon Soul which kinda sucked
@@zoom8772 And people complained about how hard HC was at launch and then complained again when they made it easier.
Can't, I'm afraid. Already got plans that day.
@@NixxiomOnUA-camGreta Thunberg sEZ: “How DARE YOU!”
totally relevant reply lol@@zoom8772
Sean Dempsey shows up at least once more in the forsaken quest lines in Silverpine. It's a hidden quest. When you kill the Crocolisks outside the Gilnean gates by the marsh you might pick up his head. You, undead Godfrey and the other barons search for the rest of his parts to bring him back to life. Only to then kill him again. I don't know how or why he got eaten up in the first place. But it's a neat little call back for any worgen players who play forsaken too.
Classes in cata were perfect. It was the first time I had more than just a main and 1 alt. I've made all the classes and it was hard to focus on one class since all were amazingly done.
Did they make dk runes in one specific type of runes depending on your spec in legion? And hunters having focus, man... Maybe I'll check it out one day.
@@eveahn9595 they made hunter use focus, but dk runes functioned similar, except a second rune cant start it's cooldown before the first one finishes. This was offset by Runic Empowerment to make use od runic power better. Also they made uhdk similar playstyle to blood dps in wotlk, which is was more fun objectively
Has anyone else had the bug where they do a random dungeon queue in LFG and then after completing, that dungeon is no longer on the list of dungeons to queue for, even when being in the level range for it? It happened for Dead Mines and Black Fathom Deeps for me.
But yeah, other than some bugs, I love Cata classic as Cataclysm is my favorite iteration of WoW. The perfect mix of convenience and QoL stuff, but still has its features and stuff that make it still feel like classic WoW. (Class trainers, leveling isn't too fast, but is a decent pace, the mobs feeling actually dangerous, gear still matters at all levels, etc.)
Plus the questing is linear, but in a way that feels complete. Compared to Vanilla world where many areas felt they didn't even have finished quest lines, or very many quests at all, or making you travel half way across the world just to do a simple quest.
Overall I think Cata quest/world update was meaningful and was 100% for the better.
I'm currently leveling a Warlock through the new revamped Eastern/Western Plaguelands, it's fun as hell.
Excited for cata. Been prepping since prepatch launched and sadly, I think this'll be my last year with wow. Not too amped for the next few new expansions, nor did I like MOP-Legion. So unless Legion Classic is eventually a thing, I think this is it. Gonna play Cata like it fkn matters!
I just hit 40 on cata classic on my Arms warrior and it just feels like retail and not in the good way. I went mining and engineering and those bombs you can craft were useful in the first 20 levels and i was having a good time but by the time i hit lvl 25, i was nearly killing mobs in a single attack because i was critting for 80% of their health 2/3rds of the time. Im blowing through entire questing zones in a single sitting and I have yet needed to eat or use bandages when i can just kill a mob in less than 2 seconds and blood thirst off another to heal right back up and even engineering has been useless for 20 levels. Im trying to stick with it but man, i really miss TBC.
The spider you fought at 9:26 is supposed to be a big, bad spider, and you're a lowly adventurer, right? But the spider died in a few seconds, and you lost about 25% of your health... And that is before you get the level 10 super buffs.
2:58 I was beating myself up trying to remember if and where Sean Dempsey was from, and just this past year I had been introduced to The Dubliners! Thanks for solving that mystery for me!
It's about time people stop peddling the myth that cata feels like retail. Cata feels a lot like the expansion after wrath. Classes and systems are incredibly similar. It's actually a fun expansion, cata haters are finally starting to dwindle cause they're actually playing and not just yelling talking points that aren't true.
Or you’re like me, you dont like cata for good reason, open world flying sucking the life and huge world feeling of the game. Open world feels like it’s dead because of LFD and blizzards refusal to do what they did to classic to cata with cross realm to make the game feel like it has other players to meet. Also dont like the class design change of my main class (hunter). Who cares about deathwing? Paid level boost LOL. A lot of cata haters are probably dwindling because like me, their time has come to a complete end and they left the game, if you enjoy cata then good i hope you enjoy it but for me its back to classic and try this new season of discovery and if thats not for me then ill be done with world of warcraft as i was the first time around until vanilla was rereleased.
@@Real-Ruby-Red Flying was in TBC and Wrath.
LFD was wrath.
And hunter is WAY better with focus instead of running out of mana and having to do bad damage with viper
Paid level boost was TBC/Wrath as well
Sounds like you hate TBC and Wrath not just Cata lmao
@@BeraninFlying in tbc and wrath wasnt the main world of the game, those continents were designed with flying in mind.
LFD sucked just as much in wrath as it will in cata, your views on hunter are subjective and personal as are mine, paid level boost came out in pre cata prepatch and it still sucks they decided to do that, the 1 level boost an expac for the sad sacks I didnt like but could tolerate.
Say what you want, classic has been popular theres no doubt and it will die off slowly, look at the # of available servers closing down due to the population die off. If you’re happy then goodluck to you but dont tell me I have to enjoy eating shit like you, the game dwindled after woltk once and its already doing it for a 2nd time..
Numbers dont lie.
@@Real-Ruby-RedNumbers > Feelings 😂
@@Real-Ruby-Red paid level boost was TBC classic, you are incorrect
I remember back in the day, I would get home from middle school excited to watch the newest Nixxiom machinina video. There are times that I look back and miss those times. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I miss machinima content, and even gameplay content like the LOTR challenge. But if you are happy and successful doing more content like this, I support you Nixxiom, as a long time fan. Also, good luck dealing with insurance, and I’m glad you’re alright.
The point that you make about hitting level 10 and beginning to one shot things is interesting, I just leveled a char on classic SoD for the first time and honestly there were noticable power ups that you'd pick up when you got certain runes or certain abilities at certain levels, but it never made me feel OP, I very much could still easily die if I pulled too many enemies. I think the strongest powerup I got was when I got maelstrom weapon on my shaman because it allowed me to instant cast some spells or heals periodically which enabled me to be able to start pulling 2-3 enemies at most before doing unlike before where even 2 enemies could be a death sentence if I couldn't kill one fast enough or ran OOM. You're still much stronger in SoD than you were original classic but enemies can still wipe you out if you get over confident.
Hey! Just to make a "poke" but once u get to the war within your character has been through alot and collected alot of gear... sooo its kinda natural u should feel alot more powerfull by then compared to a starter char (But as u said this is easily copied with the use of hierlooms ofc).
Best wishes!
Interesting. Because for the longest time I maintained that the critical fault of 4.06 was the ungodly player power increase that let us 1-2 shot mobs, and that basically sapped any threat out in the world. Instances, ofc, were diff. Overall, there was this massive incomprehensible understanding of power balance in that (original) expansion. A lot of other stuff, too. Sharp to hear Blizz got their act together on that... I forgot, however, how much of a suck it is on the linear questing - that Blizz decided to script/determine the experience for the player (linear) rather than letting us pick/choose how we'd engage the world (dynamic). That sucked hard, and they'd have to delete so much to override that... I still gotta say, I miss Vash'jir. Man that was a great zone, linear questing or not.
No matter if players like to play as Worgen or not, the Gilneas starting zone experience is by far the best in the game. The people I played with back in the day, both irl and in-game, all pretty much shared my opinion.
The fact that it's so good, combined with the fact that when you out-level the zone it then becomes completely irrelevant makes it just a crime against the players.
And all just because of an almost misguided sense of equality from Blizzard, who decided that because a bunch of dumb-ass Goblins decided to make an active volcano their home that was lost when it blew up, it wouldn't be fair to the players that the Alliance then would have one more capital city than the Horde so they made sure that after leveling there wouldn't be anything useful there to go back to, when it could have been just as functional as Stormwind or Ironforge.
And I'm not sure but I bet the people who created the artwork, the quest and the phasing tech couldn't have been happy when they realized the zone they worked on for a couple of years would be abandoned by players after the better part of an evening. Such a shame
I remember back when I played cata, I was doing pvp and getting one-shot by any assassination rogue with heirlooms. It was one of those weird thresholds due to the huge dmg of ambush and the talent you could get as the first thing that increased its crit chance to close to 100%, people would just get straight up deleted and camped on the bg respawn.
Doesn't it bother you to get sponsored by Zygor?
Who like many addons, completely disregard ToS. Since ToS says paid addons are against the rules (not that Blizz really does anything about it).
But from a principle point of view u are advocating for a team that goes against the rules of the game.
Just curious to hear your thought on the matter and absolutely don't mean this ill-intended.
I love your content and sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with your takes, but i'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
Im not gonna lie. I didnt even realize you were Nixxiom without the Nelf DK XDdd. Ty for the review. I will give it a a try.
It would be great to see you level your worgen all the way. Great video!
After playing it over the past week or so, I have been pleasantly surprised by how much I'm enjoying it so far. I think the classes all feel quite good, buttons feel good to press without things getting overly complicated or having too many core spells to worry about. The questing overhaul was really refreshing as I never hit a wall where I had to grind mobs or travel halfway across the world to find more quests my level to complete. The pacing was nice, and getting a spec specific spell at level 10 feels so good.
I think Cataclysm has been misjudged. While it may have been somewhat lacking in endgame content perhaps, it did so much for the rest of the game that gets so often overlooked when judging expansions. Endgame isn't the entire game. I used to love leveling up alts, and for me, that started in Cataclysm and I can clearly see why that is the case. I would much rather play Cataclysm world of warcraft, than live, that's for sure.
I also think Cataclysm's world revamp is easier to enjoy now than it was originally, because we still have classic era to experience the original world without having to go to private servers. So those that prefer the original version can still play original wow. Admittedly it would have been nice to have a single era tbc server and a single era wotlk server for those then particularly enjoy those expansions, but it is what it is I suppose.
My only gripe with cataclysm that I've personally encountered so far, is, like you said, getting a talent point every other level doesn't feel great. Every time I level up I open my talents and half the time I'm disappointed. I like the actual talent trees a lot though, so it's a minor gripe. I think cataclysm talents have the right amount of complexity without being confusing. Retail talent trees end up giving you half of your spells which is a little jarring, even for a veteran player like myself.
Also, while there is definitely a lot lost with dungeon finder, the convenience factor is pretty massive. I just had a son, and although I would love to continue playing classic hardcore, I simply just don't have the block time to play at this stage in my life. With cataclysm dungeon finder, not only do I only need maybe 20 minutes at a time, but if I need to leave in the middle, I'm not screwing my group over. So it's a trade off. Good for some, bad for others. So long as both remain playable options, I think everybody wins.
I was a big fan of Cata till the Dragon Soul patch. Nostalgia is almost pulling me back for this again. Smite priests were way to fun.
If I was able to make gear for the class I am playing as I level that would be awesome! Being able to craft BiS gear as you level every 10 levels getting some op would be sweet
I'm level 30 on my troll shaman at the moment and Im using a mix of questing and crafted gear. I'm loving being able to make some of my own gear and that professions feel relevant :D
Also very interested in a level up series, i personally love cata leveling but im playing horde onky at the moment seeing the alliance side of things would be cool
Cata was always fun, why Cata isn't well looked at is mainly:
1- Old World doesn't exist
2- 1-60 = new, 70-80 go back to TBC and WOTLK feels disconnected, then 80-85 back to new
3- Longest time between raids, the down time was insane, especially compare to how good and diverse the tier 11 is.
4- Buggy a lot of bugs or lack of polish
5- The Hype, they sold every feature like Archeology but in the end everything was boring or not cooked enough (no water raid)
I feel like part of the emmersion that was ruined for hunter players is, you dont have to feed your pets anymore.
Blizzard NEEDS TO do a cinematic opening with their main bad guy like they did with DeathWing.
Go see some reactions to the opening cinematic or rewatch it yourself, the feeling they capture for DeathWing was actually terrifying lol
more linear questing is a pro to me rather than a con, it feels really bad to have to run 3000 yards to talk to someone then run 3000 yards back to talk to another person to then run 3000 yards back again for a minimal reward
Cata was a great expansion IMO. So much so the zones introduced in cata are reused to this day more so than any other zone. e.g. Uldum, Vashjir etc.
I was really looking forward to this but I am not enjoying this right now! My issue is the numerous bugs that are present in the pre patch! Even the "known" issues post by Blizzard is ridiculous, and doesn't even come close to covering all the issues! And a lot of it is very basic stuff, things like your character screen not remembering the state it was in (It doesn't even remember to show your stats! You have to click the arrow every time, almost like they thought the player only wants to view the wardrobe not the stats.), and also the glyphs scroll bar with a mouse wheel does not work at all!
So agree with you about professions. The gear you can make while levelling is irrelevant and with Chromie time it’s hardly possible to even level a profession let alone use the gear. I’m also not keen on the DF system of professions which is set up a profession factory and make money from it. This is MMO professions whereas I want RPG professions - go out into the world, gather stuff and make something relevant for your character. The current system doesn’t support that. I had a bunch of patterns I could make for others but not for myself due to the Spark system.
Cata gets shit on a lot because of the world change and DS raid. But I had a ton of fun during that expansion. I loved the VJ zone when many hated it.
I do love lets plays, and you made Gilneas sound really fun. A leveling up with this rogue series would def be something I watch.
Thank you. :)
Great video definitely felt the same about talent points also having them on odd number levels was weird
Cata had the best balanced leveling experience, and butthole tearing brutal heroics (at the time). I loved it and the only thing I wish was different was Dragon Soul being a bit harder.
i don't see "linear" in questing is a bad thing. If the quest are good, a good lore or mini history is well maded then it doesnt matter that they make you move from here to there all the time
If Cataclysms mobs were as as strong as classic mobs, linear questing would not be an issue
its bad because its not what i want in a game like wow
@@WinterWolf99 if the mobs were stronger a lot of players would quit before even reaching cataclysm 80-85 content. That sounds like the most surefire bad decision they could ever do, both for community and economically
I don't like linear hand holding style
"I'm gonna play as a sub rogue so i can feel like an assassin...."
Mfw ignores Assassination
Cata and mop are closert to classic than retail. I like the pace of both a lot.
tbh can't really complain about worgen zone beeing linear when you actually use a leveling add-on :D
Its pretty hard to balance everything and the fact that it felt easy after you got a massive bump in gear from crafting isn't going to be everyone's experience. If anything alot of people would say its important for players to feel their gearing was impactful and feel good to be overpowered for a time.
'Shawn Dempsey' lol... OK so where are the Clancy Brothers?
Oh helyea! I'd l o v e to see your rogue progress in the world!
I'd very much enjoy a series like that!
To be honest - Cataclysm was my favourite expansion until the Dragon Soul patch - it not only destroyed whole Cata reputation, but the game's as a whole. Bastion of Twilight with Sinestra and Nefarian as first raid tiers (with Al'akir as a bonus)! Firelands - both raid and zone, that changes as you progress! Hard Dungeons where you actually need to cc mobs! Hyjal leveling! This expansion had one of the strongest lineup in WoW's history.
and then you keep on leveling and suddenly realize there is 0 people from the oposite faction and you got yanked away from any immersion you were in on
Im leveling a night elf mage right now and it doesnt feel like Classic with how quickly ive been killing mobs (without looms as well). Its still fun though to play with the older spells and talents.
Getting one talent per level might sound good on paper, but if the point gives me 0.1 second shorter cast for Corruption, that's a disappointment.
okay what the hell happened to your finger?
That's what I said!
Cats was nice.
I don't recall there being Human hunters in Cata.
Damn The Dubliners man love that song drink to it whenever I pop it on!
I would say leveling up one character is fun in cata, but the questlines get old fast. At least that's how I remember it being back in the day. One was fun enough, but those alts were a snooze fest
Debating on leveling a goblin priest/shammy how much faster is lvling now 1-60?
I miss the questing mobs being a challange.
One more thing you can "escape" the Worgen starter area.
I saw deathwing last night live in the world, actually really enjoying it this time. As a sidenote, i dont like duskwood, i dont like that vibe and the spiders. Taking them out is so weak, thats engagement for me. So stupid considering people pay 30 bucks to watch horror in theaters. Its engagement, its warcraft. Not stardew valley. Perfect example of how wow fell in the first place.
I played cata back in the day and from what I recall questing was great and big step up from the previous expansions.
man i want that lvl 85 pvp. That was the cata i remember
I tried it for a week, finally uninstalled it today. sad to bid my TBC and WOTLK classic characters goodbye but it feels too much like retail WoW now. Guess SOD is my WoW home for the foreseeable future for now.
I'd love to watch your leveling journey in Cata
I used to love this expansion. Never undestood the hate
Yeah after 10 the questing is EZ mode, but i have died a few times, and doesn't feel quite like retail. I actually been enjoying myself.
9:34 My damn generation and let me say this was raised on brutal videos that we found online, and now we have arachnophobia filter for the generation after us. Damn what is this nonsense we are getting fed on, I remember the old kinda gruesome textures in old WoW, it pisses me that the zones that should take this very same apperiance (Maldraxxus) are looking like a god damn cartoon stuff. I hate that my guys, i really hate that about the game i felt love for.
they did change stealth in Cata, just as fast as unstealthed.
The Rogue thing was changed in Cata, pretty nice improvement
This expansion got way too much hate. The difficulty is just right, not OP like retail but it doesn't take you 30 secs to beat a mob. We have transmog, flying in Azeroth. My favourite classic expansion
do the Goblin starting zone next please
If you’ve got BOAs there is no threat in anything. Practically a twink at every level.
Good on you though for leveling sub optimally
I enjoyed Cata the first time through. But its the only expansion I don't like repeating.
Cata was so good
Cata was great if you came from vanilla, unfortunately, they tried to re-brand the game and make it more casual and the new player base just found it all too difficult and complained.
I'm so sick and tired of these nostalgia lords constantly crying about how cataclysm ruined the world and how the expansion was bad compared to WotLK. Stay at WotLK or classic then but a simple map change isn't that controversial. Loved it back in the day because it actually brought something new to the game that I can explore and have fun with. Oh and all these people who are thinking now "BuT mE bArrEns" there are enough P-servers for WotLK up already. Whitemane is launching its Frostmourne realm on the 31st of may, go play there.
Space goats will always be the best starter zone
First?
So it seems!
All my dreams have come true! 😂
LOL you dont remember the major time gates with the story do you?
Makirk found his wife btw, shes got a monument behind him, rip
I actually like the questing of Cataclysm the best of all the different expansions and leveling/questing changes. Each area has its own story that you contribute to without being "THE HERO". Classic leveling feels too much like you're running around doing shit that achieves very little, while in Cata it feels like I'm actually having an effect on the world narrative even if its small. I feel like its the right middle ground between Classic and Retail leveling imo.
I get what you're saying, I loved Silverpine forest storyline a lot, but mobs are too easy, professions are useless and lfging gives you more xp anyway. It all felt useless, at least for me. I still leveled slowly by questing, because dungeon spamming got boring fast (what's the use of all the people in the group if you don't interact at all?). But it was really, really boring gameplay-wise. I wish I could just read all the quests and books and whatever you had to interact with without killing mobs. There were also mobs with exclamation marks, like mini bosses or something but there was nothing special about them, you killed them with ease, too.
Maybe if not all quests gave you gear or weapon as a reward or no quests at all gave you them and lfg teleportation wasn't available until level cap, leveling would feel better (and dungeons, too, because gear from dungeons would feel even more worth it, because of the demand to travel by foot or on mount). And professions would feel more rewarding that way. I dunno. Cataclysm just wasn't designed as a journey, even though it had all these cool and really interesting storylines (but they don't feel as good after you complete them once because of gameplay problems described above, especially in goblin and worgen starting zones which you can't escape until you complete them because of phasing restrictions and thus you don't feel like you have full control to do anything your heart desires)
I started in cata, I love many of its features, but overall I prefer classic approach despite classic having tons of outdated things and mechanics
@eveahn9595 eh. I think you and I have different tastes for MMOs. I would actually prefer an MMO without leveling grind. Give me a story and let me progress the story and my gear, I do not want to be gated from story and content by a made up number.
So Cataclysm leveling is a bit too slow for me but I like the stories and the feeling of getting more powerful. I have 0 interest in whether or not it should be longer, the story should decide that imo
@@jacobyboyer3681 I'm not a fan of grind, either, I'm a fan of open alive world in which you can escape from your own just to do something stupid with your fellas or do quests or whatever. Classic provides that to some degree. Cata doesn't, unfortunately. World was a little empty even then if we don't count capital cities and starting zones.
You want to become powerful? Me too. But you don't feel like you're becoming powerful in cata while leveling. Whatever spell you get or don't get (maybe you decided not to spend gold and wait a level or two, idk), whatever talent you choose just doesn't matter (in open world at least). The abilities or spells you get don't matter in terms of killing mobs faster, you just maybe get some shiny cool looking ability, but that's it. I don't feel it making me more powerful. In classic I do. Because there's not much gear, everything I find or craft or buy or steal or whatever - all of it instantly makes me feel more powerful.
Sorry for trying to convert you or something, it's just nostalgia hitting me and I'm also an idiot. I think what you really would enjoy is some single player bioware-like rpg from blizzard with no grind or undead rogue gankers, just you and well-written story you can fully immerse with. I wouldn't mind playing such a game, too.
@eveahn9595 no worries on the conversion lmao. I'm an RPG player first and foremost. I'd rather play an RPG than an MMO but when I play MMOs I tend to just want to be max level and experiencing the story and content. That said I'm also down to run Heroic raid and Mythic + but if imma level another toon I want something more interesting and we'll written than classic but less speeding through a zone before I can experience the story like in retail.
Cata is just in the perfect middle between the classic and modern feeling. TBC immediatly moves the main game from Azeroth to Outland and even if it adds upon Classic mechanics, it's really a huge shift from Vanilla, it's meant to be experienced as an expansion rather than an evergreen experience like Vanilla. WotLK feels plain out odd, it has deep root in Classic, but instead of expanding on it, it twists it while not completely changing it. This results in most classes only properly working at max level, and feeling unfinished while leveling. The leveling experience is very weird, the Paladin is a complete disgrace and is all what they didn't want the warrior to be in OG WoW : a default MMO fighter class with mana. Same goes for the hunter. They didn't give up upon spell ranks, but they effectively removed downranking. It makes no sense. Why ?
Cata handled it right, they had to change some mechanics, and they did it mostly well, the leveling is fun, you get your core spells early on, yet every new spells feels like a new option and a great upgrade. The talent points are fine, they're on odd levels while new spells are on even levels, so you're guaranteed to get something every time you level up. The points are more significant, they give you something immediately exploitable, and they don't feel like a shore like "put 5 points here to get 2% damage with x spell, so you can unlock this core ability". Of course there are some exceptions, but that's right most of the time.
For me it's the last time WoW felt like an RPG, you still had to learn your spells to the trainer, professions are still a thing, stats are simple but fun, they removed superfluous stats like spell/armor penetration, you're not in some other world / island, you're in Azeroth, in the continents, there's no physical separation between the leveling and max level zones.
It really feels like the perfect base of a wotlk+ experience. I'd be really down if they raised the levels of LK raids to 85 after DS goes on, and give us some new / scrapped dungeons or raids.
I just think people were pissed because "no lich king + zones changed", and that's true, back then, there was no alternative to see the old world.
Cataclysm has great class design
Nothing will come close to Fire Mage on Cata man. Combustion was so amazing to use.
@@aFoolsMartyr I have memories of a hunter friend who was always complaining to me because everytime he was close to outdps I just used combustion and skyrocket my dps, I didn't even have dragonira lmao
@@JustNrik I've mostly mained warrior over the years, but I just can't forgot those juicy, juicy damage numbers from combustion back then...
Signed: Not a hunter
@@flambelk4489 lol what
"I'm gonna play as a sub rogue so i can feel like some assassin worgen living out in the woods." Cries in assassination
sub is better
@@nexusobservebut shadow dance animation sucks
Most of my best WoW memories were from Cata and MoP. Legion was really good but Cata was special to me and my friends.
Woltk "classic" felt so much like retail that I stopped playing it, I cant imagine this release being any different
Cata was my first fully invested xpac back in the day. Loved the starting worgen area before they revamped the whole thing
"This is all part of the Jailer's Plan" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I vividly remember having so much fun leveling my feral druid through the new barrens and 1K needles/Tanaris in the orginal CATA. Also, the CATA zones are super cool imo. Deepholm is still one of my favorite zones to this day.
Cata is a better expansion then WotLK, i think alot of people realized how bad wrath actually was after getting to play through it again.
Cata is too hard
Wrath is too easy
BC hit the right balance
I found the quests to be incredibly boring. It doesn’t feel like an rpg, it feels like I’m at a carnival running from one quick mini game to the next. It’s too artificial and cheesy
If you don’t pay attention to the storyline within the quests, then yes, it’ll be boring. If you’re looking for an RPG experience, either read the quests or download AI voiceover
@@ThePacman9 You missed my point. The quests feel like poor attempts to steal your attention with shiny gimmicks rather than having any substance.
@@shawtynoikilpeople3905so the same of wow classic but more developed.
@@Daniel-kx3zz At least there is risk involved in vanilla quests. Cata is just running around looking at flashing lights on a screen
@@shawtynoikilpeople3905 risk of what? murlocs running around and pulling more? players of other factions ganking you? No thanks.If you want risk then play Elden Ring
Removing spiders from the game wtf???? now that's some next lvl bullshit...
I started at mop, never played classic nor cataclysm before and played every single expansion since legion (at least first patch ...). As a group of 4 we all wanted to try this expansion and it felt good.
Just as you said, it really felt like a hybrid between classic and modern wow.
Leveling seems balanced, died a few times with my priest, had to drink mana and use hpots.
The same way I was harsh with mop just because of pandas, I think that og players are a bit too harsh with this expansion. The game still had a soul compared to last expansions imo.
love the Dubliners. As for increased speed in stealth, I believe that came with tbc. I will admit, when it does come to cata, the goblin and worgen starter zones were the best.
Cata to me was when the game felt the most complete, everyone had options to experience the content if they wanted to. When it comes to lvling I feel like people remember bis enchant heirlooms and just oneshotting mobs with fiery weapon and crusader even tho that was present all the way back in vanilla just fewer people knew about it until twinking became way more popular in cata. The game is only as difficult as you make it which has always been true until blizzard added outdoor world scaling far later down the road.
This crap is only seen as paletable in contrast to just how stinky the current crap blizzard produces. At the time, no one thought it could continue to decline for so many years following, yet here we are.
Cataclysm is crap.
I made a fresh Undead Warlock when Cata launched, and now that he's 43 I must admit my experience has been pretty mixed so far. Keeping in mind that I've only been leveling through questing for the most part, only doing dungeons when a quest required me to go. I found that when you hit around level 12-13, most of your quest begin to turn green and you have that slight level advantage on the mobs you're killing, this only really stopped when I hit the Eastern Plaguelands. In terms of professions I took Enchanting and Tailoring, and while at the start I made some cloth gear for myself and a couple of bags later on, I ended up only making things to progress my enchanting by disenchanting the lot. If you want to travel the world a bit without feeling like you're losing progress on anything, Archeology is pretty good for that, allowing you to get out of the zone you're questing in for a short period without the feeling of "where the hell was I again" when returning. There are plenty of bugs at the moment, some of which are quite disappointing, not being able to do a BG for my Arathi Highlands quest because they've been disabled due to the experience gained being extremely broken, most of the cooking dailies not being able to be done in the Undercity due to objects that you need to pick up being unclickable.
Cata had a lot of good, but it reaaaally took linearity to the next level. And the gamification of reward tiers was just...too much for me. The combat was good at least.
I enjoy Cata, even I don't think it's classic, because I like Goblins and I love their starting quests in Kezan and The Lost Isles. Basicaly Goblins are the main reason I play Cata in first place.
the main reason i started playing wotlk classic was because of cata . cuz i wanted transmogs xD
Reason I think Cata failed as it did, was because people didn't have as strong of a tie towards Deathwing as a villain, and the Old Gods being as fleshed out either, all they had been until then was sort of filler raids, with somewhat interesting story. Then the Twilight Hammer had sort of a fanbase, but not as big as perhaps Gul'Dan from Warcraft where he came from.
Many things was there in the story in the background, or raid content, along with books, which most people didn't really read, they just wanted to play the game and experience the story that way. If Deathwing had been built up I'm sure Cata would've done much better, along with more Old Gods lore. Sadly they didn't and probably didn't think they had to, since WoW had done extremely well so far by that time.
But now Deathwing is a beloved villain, as is the Old Gods, and Twilight Hammers, so I imagine people will be more happy and enjoy the experience once again, giving what they dismissed back then, another try, looking at it from a new perspective
Had nothing to do with that bro
I'm having fun, getting close to lvl 20 on my Worgen Druid, but the population on my server is very low which is a bit of a bummer.
same
So is Cata a completely fresh realm where you start from zero? I somehow thought it was Wotlk shifting to Catalysm... meaning my 80lvl character will go to Cata
@@betahumanx no it’s not fresh
@@betahumanx just not many people playin g, it went from like 18k people to 6k
@@Sinactualgaming You mean from Wotlk to Cata?