Ford F-150 V8 vs Turbo Towing MPG Test | If You Want The Best F-150 Fuel Economy Buy THIS Truck!
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I have made the Trek from Rio Rancho New Mexico to Portland Oregon twice now. I have a 2014 F-150 3.5 ecoboost crew cab long bed with 373 rear end. The trip is 1365 miles. Much to my surprise, Towing 7150 lb I averaged 11.4 miles per gallon. Kept the rpms at 2000 or less as much as possible (70mph). The ecoboost engine has done great on both trips, using 111 gallons one trip and 109 gallons on another. My truck sits currently at 157000 miles. Could not be happier with it, and expect to get 250000 miles out of her.
I borrowed a 2x4 2.7L 10spd 3.73 EcoBoost for about a week. That was the fastest truck I have ever been in before. With so much power it can be difficult not to use it. I found the performance so tantalizing and addictive. But when I did drive normally it was around 22-23 MPG.
Smarticus but did you tow anything with it? Because that’s the main concern is the usable torque...
ryan Lusby no I did not. But I have towed with the 3.5 and that was a torque monster. However I only got 13 MPG on a 500+ trip at sea level while towing.
yea bouy lol. I only had the 2.7L for a week. But I have towed quite a bit with the 3.5L Compared to my Silverado the 3.5 is a towing machine.
Smarticus tantalizing really that's a girly word.
@@paulrodrigues9603 Paul...Making fun of someone for using a girly word? Are you a twelve year old or just uneducated. Good luck with getting your GED.
I have the 2.7 hands down a beast. I tow 4k pounds up to 6k . Pulls like nothing. I love it I have 61k now really happy i drive alot.
What is your mileage
I've been towing a 6x12 U-Haul trailer loaded to gills in my 2015 Platinum 4x4 Ecoboost 3.5, back and forth through Ozarks, on my 4th trip tomorrow. Love the POWER! And fuel economy! Let me tell you, nothing beats pure power when you need to move, and this truck does it!! Having that Ecoboost power sure adds a level of safety. And that is most important to me.
Gearing makes a world of difference, would love to see a test where the two trucks are matched evenly.
I get 21mpg with my 2.7 ‘17 XLT Sport Crew Cab 4wd in normal mixed driving. It has great range with 36gallon tank and better mileage than my V6 Ranger did. This is a great engine for the way most people use a half ton, and can still tow a decent amount of weight when you have to.
Same for me with '18 5.0 XLT Sport Crew Cab 4x4
I get a combined 19-21 in city driving in dallas, that is about as bad as it gets, no real speed limit to speak of and lots of heavy throttle(its not unusual to go 90-100 in the left lane). I get about 24 city in places like MO or AR where I’m not driving as fast in City driving and terrain impacts your speed and direction more than dallas.
It will get 24-25 hwy in TX and 27-32 everywhere else. I find that the 70/75 mph limit is the difference. If i set it at 70-72 it will certainly get 28mpg while at 77 it will drop to 24-25. In a 70mph stretch from CO to TX i have done 32.x on 3 occasions with about a 2000’ decent over a few hundred miles.
Hands down the worst fuel economy it gets is with a cross wind, in west Texas it happens often. I guess because you have to steer into it a bit, that is where the efficiency loss is. if I have a strong cross wind it doesn’t matter what I do, it will get about 20 on the highway and feather the front tires a bit.
I'm getting 20mpg back and forth to work(city/hwy mix) in my new Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins 4x4. All day in town got 18mpg. When FLT towed a 12,500 pound trailer they got 11mpg with the Ram. That's better mpg with a much bigger trailer. Be curious to see how it would do with that lighter trailer. I considered the Ecoboost, but glad I went the diesel route now, as I am not really losing anything empty, and this will be towing my home in a couple of years and can tow a lot more than the 1500's can.
I’ve added a 19 4wd and it’s comparable to what others are reporting in mpg for mixed. I don’t know what it will get on my long trips yet but I’m thinking it’s going to be several mpg less than the 2wd.
@@AJGT350 you get 20 in the 5.0?
The sound of that V8 though you can’t beat that sound right there
@Tsang Tsung Wreck your MPG too.
For the casual person that tows, the eco boost is the better option only because the MPG when not towing. I drive my truck empty 95% of the time. I’d rather get the best fuel mileage that 95% than 1 mpg the other 5% I’m towing something.
What does you manual recommend 87 or 91
@@GreatValue32 87
This
I just drove a 2.7 full of people and camping gear from Texas to Seattle and averaged 20.9. my best tank was 22. This is with cruise control on 80 and a heavy headwind so I am impressed.
@yea bouy See his cargo list? You'd need 3 Prius's to carry that!
We’ve had our Ford 150 3.5 EcoBoost for 6 years. Best 150 truck. Great for towing our weight of our trailer and great in fuel economy for daily driving. Great horsepower and torque.
I have always been a fan of the 2.7 engine. Ever since you guys did the acceleration in that parking lot with all the engines and truck makes it's smoked everything.
John jay drott except for the 3.5. That’s the king.
@@2KCamaroZ28SS no I think the 2.7 is still faster
MPG-V8
Acceleration-EcoBoost
You really can't go wrong with either engine
Yep. And the V8 is BARELY slower off the line...as in a few tenths. I'd happily sacrifice a few tenths and get better mpg, better sound, and better long term reliability and cheaper maintenance at 6-figure mileage.
Justin Luttrell it’s the passing power that the ecoboost excel at
Considering the Ford GT now has a twin turbo V6, Ford has got those babies dialed in! My eco-boost 2.0L Escape hauls ass!
@@justinluttrell1769 point is,
The v8 is sluggish off the line
The 2.7 gets better mpg
The sound of an engine struggling at high rpm nobody wants
Perceived reliability isn’t real, just a feeling
There is no more maintenance on the 2.7 than a five oh
I don’t worry to much about fuel economy when towing unless I was doing it every day. But it is nice to know with the Ecoboost that the power is there for passing and merging onto a busy highways.
A Ford engineer told me that to get good fuel economy in the EB engines, keep the rpm below 2,000 rpm to keep the turbos activity at a minimum. Looked like the 2.7 in this video was a couple hundred rpm over 2,000. I bet if you lowered your speed to 60-65, the mpg gap in this test would equalize.
Well yeah, if you drive slower, MPG increases. But if you want to do the speed limit on the interstate, this test is an accurate real world test.
Speed limit isn't a requirement as long as you're not going so slow as to impede traffic.
@@kingdaniel3519 exactly. Personally, if I'm towing 7000 lbs or over, I'm doing 65 mostly in the right lane, letting everyone pass me and keeping my stress level low and MPGs higher.
Wow that engineer is an idiot. Turbo boost levels are determined by load, timing, and afr. Not rpm. Rpm has absolutely nothing to do with the boost. You can have the throttle at 15 percent at 5k 4pm or 50% at 3k rpm. 50% at 3k rpm will flow way more air and require way more fuel.
Nice video guys! That goes to show that there's no replacement for displacement when it comes to towing fuel efficiency. However, I'm still a big fan of the 2.7L because I'll drive it empty mainly.
Tommy Gordon Jr I have a ‘17 CCSB 4x4 with the 3.5EB and averaged 11 mpg town an 18ft trailer loaded to around 7500lbs from TN to CO when we moved. That’s through all the rolling hills the Midwest has and doing the speed limit (average of 65mph). Daily driving I average around 21mpg.
@@joshuarounds7180 nice! Well I guess that statement is only partly true.
Fyi my 2017 2.7 4x4 is faster to 50 than my intake tune exhaust 04 gto.. and it's a full-size truck that gets over 20mpg. Good times we're living in.
Sounds like you need new tires on the gto
Had a 2018 5.0 V8 F150 and went to a 2019 3.5. Towing mileage with my camper is about 2mpg worse than the 5.0 was, but the Ecoboost averages about 2mpg better consistently unloaded. It evens out, and I'll take the endless power towing. Loaded down with a 6,000lb trailer and 1,000lb quad in the bed it still wants to outrun it's cruise control setting up hills. It pulls like a mule where my 5.0 struggled.
I have a 2011 w 1st gen/3.5 Liter Ecoboost. Looking at a new truck for 2022. Would you still go with the 3.5L Ecoboost or 5.0 being that you have owned both now for several years? Thanks for your time
My friends dad has a 2017 XLT with the 2.7 and drives it just to work and home and gets 20 mpg overall and as much as 27 on the highway he really loves it.
I don't think I would even need a 3.5 ecoboost I would get the2.7. That little engine is impressive
DoctorHO I own a 2015 F150 with the 2.7 eco boost and my son has an 2011 F-150 with the 5.0. There is no comparison, the eco boost will out tow it any day and also get way better fuel mileage. Just my real world observation.
My dad had driven 2.7 and it would run like a dog. 3.5 is best
We regularly tow a 4500 lbs travel trailer with a crew cab 4x4 2.7L and it’s been amazing. Average for us towing is about 15 MPG, unloaded 18 MPG. Lifetime average at 26,000 miles is 16.8 MPG
I am not sure exactly how, but my 2015 F-150 Lariat SuperCrew FX4 3.5 EcoBoost with 3.55 gears is handily beating these numbers. Traveled just this weekend with a 6,300 pound 27' AirStream and 1,100 pounds of cargo split between the truck and trailer, from Cypress Texas to Arlington Texas. Total trip was 470 miles. On the way up I had a 15 mph tailwind and averaged 14.5 mpg. On the way back I had a 15 mph headwind and averaged 11.7. Total trip averaged 13.1 mpg. My speed was 60'ish roundtrip. Past trips have been around 12.5 mpg. I am very satisfied with these numbers.
Could be the 3.5 doesn’t need as much boost under towing conditions.
Remember, they were towing at 70. That 10 mph difference is huge and likely the reason for your much better numbers. I would love to see them do their loop twice with a truck one day at both 60 and 70 to see their real world difference.
James Beaman ah I see. Big difference in drag at those speeds
Sold my truck yesterday. Don't think I will ever go back to a truck after buying my van. Everything to so much easier in my Metris.
lol ok grandpa
I think a $75 dollar Ford FL3Z-99406A10-A Tailgate Shock Assembly will fix the tailgate on that one.
Lol $50 if you buy from the right place
$20 on Amazon
Just got a Dee Zee tailgate shock for 20 on Amazon and it’s a 10 min install lol... it’s so much better than just letting it fall..
I bought a $40 tail gate damper works great and was a 15 min install.
living with an ecoboost f150. choices are Eco OR boost. cant have both. MPG great when empty. not so great when towing.
And most people spend 90% of driving unloaded
so 95 to 99% of the time you own the truck you probably won't be towing unless you work for a hauling company in which case your probably not buying this vehicle anyway...
So for that 95 to 99% of the time you will be getting better mileage than the V8 saving money every mile you drive that will more than outweigh a 2 mile per gallon or LESS difference on one towing trip..
@@Napster60 - and don't forget the 5.0 Coyote costs more (it was either $995 or $1995 over 2.7L when I looked in 2017).
@@RipReturns
The price difference really doesn't bother me..
first of all no one pays full price.. people that pay sticker price have too much money and deserve to get ripped off.
There are reasons to get the V8 I'm perfectly happy with the V8 I think it sounds amazing I think it's probably more reliable past 200k. I think if you want to make it really fast there are all kinds of tuning and bolt on options you can get for it and the sky is the limit with a V8.. you can only push the EcoBoost so far before you run out of power to add on..
For most of us that doesn't matter at all we don't need any more than 600 horsepower.. I love the EcoBoosts more I think.. it ticks all the boxes..
Power when I need it
Towing when I need it
Efficiency when I want or need it
Pleasent to drive.
Great visibility.
An I'm sorry but in my opinion Ford is the only one of the the big three truck makers that feels like they are innovating and making good long term business choices.
GM is so big that it feels out of touch in many areas like they copy their competition and stamp out borring stuff just for the hell of it.
Crysler makes so many poor products that I even avoid the few good ones they make from fear of the brand..
Even empty the 6.2 chevy is better and the hemi is pretty much the same as the eco. In real world driving. In town or if your diving like a grandma then it does good on fuel. But normal driving its no better then any other one.
Towed with my dad's 2.7. 5500lb open car trailer over 360 miles and got 16.3. Insanely good.
Why would you test them with different rear ends?
It seem you guys do this a lot. Entertaining fun stuff over facts and solutions.
Hoping for more of the later in the future🤞
For a number of reasons. 1) They test the trucks they have access to. 2) Not every engine is available with the same gear ratios. 3) Four wheel drive models may only be available with certain gear ratios. See: #2. Go to Ford's website, select the "Build your own" and see for yourself. Try to spec out the trucks, as shown on here with the same gear ratio.
Well .. here in Michigan towing a 26ft aluminum in-line trailer with 4 sleds weighing approx 5000lbs total weight and 3 guys going 75mph in -5f temperature with a 2018 F150 crewcab 2.7 tt ,no tow mirrors,3:55 ratio ,with 87octane fuel ,truck got 13.2mpg . 14.5 with only 3 snowmobiles approx same temperature 3 days earlier with some snowfall that may slow things down some ... cruise control was used also . The cold dense air really packs it in but , ecu adds fuel because of the cold air . I don’t know but it’s the best mpg I have ever had in any of my trucks .!! Lots of people forget , in-line trailers cut through the wind then a wider trailer . Also height matters .
I’d love to see this test without towing anything
Look at past videos in pretty sure they have tested both trucks empty
George Trivanovic then you really don’t need a truck do you?
@@MrAppltec Ignorance is bliss. I'm a college student from Alaska and drive a truck here in California. 97% of folks don't tow a thing. We drive them for the security, ground clearance, power, and pride of ownership.
Daniel McGee I tow maybe 5 weeks out of the year and use the bed to haul something heavy every now and then majority of the rest
Of the year it’s empty that’s why 5.0 forever
Mike Parlin You drive a truck in california?! with those gas prices?!! lord have mercy on your soul 💀
It's a matter of the speed. I got 9.4 mpg pulling a 33ft long 8500lb fifthwheel, with my 2016 3.5eb. But not at 70mph, 63-65mph it was happiest on a two hour trip you tomorrow only lose 7-10 mins. Easier to deal with 10 min loss than, $30 more fuel per trip. I bought a 6.7 in an F350 crew cab 8ft box SRW. Now I'm 13-14mpg at 65, with tons of power to spare
The difference between 65 and 75 in my V-10 F-250 is as much as 4 MPG depending on what you're towing, if you keep it down to 65 it'll do double-digit fuel economy pulling 10K+ pounds.
Gear ratio is what made the EcoBoost feel better. My opion anyway
Could easily be the main fuel economy factor as well.
Actually the 3.73 gear in the 5.0 would have accelerated better and returned better towing mpg.
I have the 2.7. Drove a the 3.5 eco for 250k in 150. Loved it. Love this one hoping it does as well
I have the 2.7 and had the 5.0. Empty the 2.7 has better mpg than the 5.0. Towing is the other way around. But the 2.7 is world's better at pulling heavy loads. Mine has the 3.73
And for people who only tow on occasion like during camping season, it makes perfect sense to get 2.7
Yea world's better at pulling heavy loads! That why max towing for the 2.7 is 9000 lbs abd the 5.0 is 11300lbs. Sounds like you are better off taking loads!
613 doo that makes zero sense, The 2.7 is fast but its tow rating is 7000- 8000 is its limit. The 5.0 is rated at 9000-11000? Your basically contradicting what the engineers say the engines can do.
@@MrInzombia has nothing to do with actual capabilities and more to do with cooling efficiency and design of engine when it comes to how the engines are rated. I have had both and much prefer towing with the 2.7 all day. Have you ever towed with a 6.0 litre chevy in a 2500? Slow as heck and a painfull experience but its rated to tow much heavier loads. Its not always about performance when it comes to max tow. Sorry soms of you get lost in numbers and don't get the chance to try them all out. Oh and my 5.0 was 9000lbs max with a screw with 3.73...not earth shattering
In towing situations, this is where the 2.7 & 3.5 Ecoboosts have such a huge advantage over all V8's, and that is getting to speed and acceleration. The 2.7 , for what it is, is an imprsessive little package.
Suggestion: Can you guys periodically do these sorts of tests with something other than horse trailers? Horse trailers are typically about 7-feet tall. A Toy hauler, for example, can be closer to 11-feet tall. That additional height, along with the towing weight, significantly changes the overall towing experience.
Martimus98 it will get worse
I like both of them, I bought a 2020 5.0 just because it will make my life easier when working under the hood. But I love how fast the ecoboost are, I had one of those for a couple of days as a loaner while the dealership was installing a bed cover and I could not keep my foot off the gas, very fun to drive. But again, I have never been comfortable with pushing small engines with that much power, that can't be good in a long term.
But the 2.7 is designed and built to handle that much power so it will be good in the long term
I added an OEM tail gait dampener to my STX for about $65. Available on Amazon.
lmao gait. you're hilarious
@@PJAvenger lol, it's tale gait, right?
Some of the better acceleration from the 2.7 eco boost comes from the 3:55 final drive ratio, as opposed to the 3:31 in the Coyote. Which also helps account for the lower fuel economy as well.
Just towed 6000 pound travel trailer several hundred miles with multiple 4000 ft elevation changes. 10.4 mpg. 2018 4wd crew cab 6.5 bed full payload. Great truck but watching oil. Thanks for the great video.
Which engine
@john
He obviously is talking about the oil burning five oh
Nothing is surprising about this. Smaller engine just won't have the same capability as the larger engine. The thing that kills turbo engines fuel economy is getting into boost. I'm sure that turbo was supplying positive manifold pressure the entire trip. You can have eco, or you can have boost. You can't have both. With the trucks by themselves, the 2.7 would probably do quite a bit better, which is how these trucks are used 99.999999999% of the time.
So a 1 mpg difference is a no go for you? Even tho the 2.7 tows a trailer easier..
Really liked this test guys. I’ve actually had both of those motors but with the 6 speed. I loved the way the ecoboost accelerated but the V8 sound is amazing and I got better cruising MPG with the 5.0.
get the ecoeight problem solved just kidding
In 2022, Would you still take the 5.0 or 3.5 Liter Ecoboost? I'm looking to get a new truck to replace my 2011 3.5 Liter Ecoboost. I do have a camper travel trailer fully loaded with water that is about 6800 lbs
Yeah, I’d go for the ecoboost for the low end torque and if you travel out west it’s nice to have those turbos in thinner air when you’re at a higher elevation. Recently had a Silverado with the 6.2 and 10 speed and towed from UT to GA and I’d say the Ecoboost felt stronger than even the 6.2.
@@jonasbennett9237 Thanks for your input. So far I'm leaning that way
2015 F-150 3.5L eco, and I consistently get about 11.5 mpg when towing an 8,000 lb travel trailer in the flat Midwest. Mostly because I drive 55-60 on expressways.
I find it funny for some people that just cant understand the power of the 2.7liter dual scroll twin turbo v6. Because they dont understand the technology they think the motor is weak. They are old fashioned into thinking that the 5.0 liter is a better engine. Looking at the torque curve will shed light on the low end torque that is available on the 2.7. This is much more useful then the torque available in 5.0.
You have to keep in mind tow ratings too. The 5.0 when properly equipped can tow 11,600 lbs and has a max payload of 3,270 lbs. The 2.7 when properly equipped can tow 9,000 lbs and has a max payload of 2,470 lbs. Those are substantial differences. Is the 2.7 stout? Absolutely, but you have to take everything into account. If you want a better tow rig in a F-150, get the 3.5 EB. The 5.0 is a solid motor that fits in between the 2.7 and the 3.5, plus it's a lot simpler. Honestly, all of the engine choices Ford has will do 90% of what most truck buyers need.
I honestly wish that Ford had just made an improved engine out of the 5.4. It was a better towing engine. People see a V8 and think it has to be fast. Well, no, it has to be designed to be fast. The 5.4 felt slow because it didn't generate mid-to-high end power like the 5.0. Even looking at the crazy power of engines today, the 5.4 makes more torque than the 5.0 till about 4200 rpm.
@@satalac you said precisely what I was going to say. All of these engines have their sweet spot. Unless you are going for the extremes, any of these engines will do great.
Whenever you guys do these kind of things, can you put the specs of the vehicles in the description area? Gear ratios, engines, weight, etc. Just makes it much easier to follow.
All the comments...I thought the 2.7 did just fine. The mpg was pretty close.
Those praising the 5.0 obviously haven't heard of the oil consumption issues on the newer (18-19's).
Yes, there were some cylinder head issues on some 2.7's early on. To my knowledge, Ford fixed most of those under warranty.
My 2.7 runs like a champ. Averages 22 mpg with level kit and 33 inch tires.
Ok, it doesn't have a V8 sound and Coyote V8s with after market mufflers do scream...but for me the 2.7 has been great after 4 years and 59,xxx miles.
Also, why was the engine off of the 2.7? It actually deadens engine noise quite well. Perhaps your decibel reading was off without it.
Yeah those oil consumption issues aren't as common as it's made out to be. Also the difference in mpg is probably due to the difference in gearing
@The94GTC I agree with that as well. But the problem with the ecoboosts came from the direct injection more than the turbos. My buddy has an ecoboosts and I have a 5.0 they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Early 5.0s had distorted cylinders. Early ecoboosts had problems with timing chains and with misfires. Engines are so advanced now that there is bound to be some issues that need wrinkled out. Wish Ford would just keep the same concept instead of changing it every damn time they come close to perfection
Pick up and passing power goes to the EcoBoost in the mountains, but I wonder if the field would be more equal near sea level. As a truck engine, the V8 has soul that the v6 can't match. This coming from a 3.5 EB owner.
Even at sea level the 3.5 will tow things easier than a 5.0
So, to Summarize:
+ The 2.7 L Ecoboost V6 was not as Fuel-Efficient, but had Better Acceleration, Passing Capability, and the Quietest Cabin in terms of Noise.
+ The 5.0 L Coyote V8 was more Fuel-Efficient, but was slightly Noisier, had not as Good Acceleration, and the Passing Capabilities were somewhat limited.
Purely from a MPG Standpoint, the Coyote V8 Pulls off the Upset. However, the Ecoboost V6 continues to impress with it's Superior Acceleration and Quieter Operation.
However, this Video is more of a Testament to how Balanced these two Engines are. You really can't go wrong picking either of them. Do you want the Reliability of a V8 with all the Noise and Power to go with it? Or do you want the Ecoboost V6 That is Both Quiet and Efficient, while having the power necessary to handle almost anything you can throw at it?
I personally would still pick the Ecoboost V6 due to it's excellent Price-to-Performance, but the V8 remains, in my book, the Go-To Option for those looking for a Reliable and Consistent Engine that can do everything you want or need it to do.
Hope this helps.
The Ecoboost must have a high, flat torque curve vs the V-8.
I agree it depends what you are looking for. If you tow often and far, then V8. If not the 6 is better.
The only bummer is you can't get a supercrew long bed 4x4 with the 2.7. Only 5.0 coyote or 3.5 ecoboost and the 3.5 is about the same unladen efficiency as the V8
I keep my trucks for 400,000kms and like a nice rumble; so I got a 5.0L. My 2011 was sold at 396,000kms, minimal issues. I’m hoping my new one is similar.
Great test! Now do MPG without trailer. Ford has really underrated the HP and torque in the 2.7L, much more power than rated. I have a 2018 2.7L and it has tons of power. A 3.5L F-150 pulled up beside me so I just click it in sport mode and pow, I have 5 lengths on the 3.5L eco boost and I didn’t have the pedal to the metal. Ford did a great job with the 2.7L engine. With this engine you can pull up to 8,000lbs and still get 24 mpg with just 4 passengers no trailer. If you are pulling under 7,000 lbs and using truck for hauling then this is the engine you want.
Jeff Talbot obviously the guy in the 3.5 had it in eco and wasn’t stepping on it. Keep dreaming though bud.
Edmunds already did it (for 2 2015 models anyway), the 2.7 got .2 mpg more than the V8, but it was worse than EPA number, while the V8 was over 2mpg BETTER than it's EPA number.
@justin
Ha, you believe everything on the internet don’t you?
A car value business like Edmunds and you take that info they spew as gospel 🤑
I agree with most people saying about the 5.0 V8 is the way to go. Let’s face it, if you know anything about turbos, they will fail long before the motor does. KaChing!$$
Read up on low mileage 5.0 failures, the Ecoboost seems to be the way to go for 2018 and up. I have a 2016 Coyote, but if I were to buy another one today it would be an EB all the way.
www.f150forum.com/f118/2018-f150-5-0l-excessive-oil-consumption-tsb-2058-a-440924/
www.f150forum.com/f118/wwyd-first-month-engine-trouble-445218/
Well it’s obvious that you don’t know anything about the 2.7
Not only would a bigger V8 or more aggressive gearing help with the lack of low-end with the 5.0L, I'd bet it would get the same or better MPG than the 2.7L Ecoboost and 5.0L in this test. The Ecoboost is just a way for Ford to trick the EPA testing. It does not deliver in the real world.
@Eat Jat So what? Drive as fast as you want with any engine you want. A 5.0L would return similar numbers, maybe better numbers. The issue is the 2.7L Ecoboost is rated higher on the sticker and is marketed as the "Eco" option for greenies and people trying to save money at the pump. There's nothing "Eco" about them.
@Eat Jat The EPA highway test cycle requires 7% idling, acceleration from 0, braking and speeds up to 80 mph, not just a steady speed below 80 mph. It's actually a somewhat demanding test. Under those conditions, Ecoboost engines never get their EPA estimates. They barely get that under the best of conditions.
www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
@Eat Jat Oh, you're totally right! it's not that the Ecoboost doesn't deliver in the real-world, it's that that real-world goes too fast.😂🤣🤣🤣
@Eat Jat It actually doesn't. Only a small number of shills claim it does.
correct, if turbochargers were truly more efficient, why isnt every engine turboed?
4x4 vs. 4x2 isnt exactly apple to apples. A 4x4 drivetrain makes all the difference when it comes to fuel efficiency. I will wait to see your comparison when you test similar drivetrains.
How does the 3.5L ecoboost compare on the same loop? Great series of videos guys!
I have the 2018 3.5L and tow a 30' camper (7500lbs) all over the Colorado mountains. I average right at 10mpg consistently when towing. I probably drive slower than they do though.
@@billybeemus3929 I have the 2010 5.4l v8 and get about 8.5-10mpg towing my 7500lb Lacrosse 30ft trailer as well. when I am on the prairies though, it is closer to 6.5 or 7mpg due to the winds.
2017 3.5 F150 got 9.1 MPG. Same weight, different trailer. www.tfltruck.com/2018/06/mpg-challenge-most-efficient-truck-towing-listed-specs/
Just pulled a new 30' x 8.5' cargo trailer 4.5 hours on a freeway in Alberta doing 70 mph, 91 octane fuel, and a 10 mph headwind. Averaged 40.3 L/100 km or 5.83 MPG US. Glad it's the company paying for that and not me, yikes. This truck is a 2018 F150 Lariat w/2.7L Ecoboost. Currently about 45000 miles on the Odometer.
When I'm not towing that trailer I average 17 mpg us.
That is a lot of trailer. Unless it was empty it wouldn't surprise me to discover it was overweight for that truck.
@@kingdaniel3519 Its a heated/AC trailer. Other than that, I had a 700 lb item on a pallet near the front.
@@Leggir So basically empty. Still though, that's a lot of trailer for the 2.7.
@@kingdaniel3519 Too much actually. I'd rather a 1-ton dually. Taking the same demo 900 miles tomorrow, but renting a 14'x7' trailer instead.
Do you guys use baffles in those water tanks? As a professional trucker ive carried a load of those totes. Unbaffled they snatched my trailer around. That may be the source of the porpusing you were experiencing
Iasked that before (I was a fuel oil truck driver before and liquid moves) and didn't answer me either. They should use solid cement blocks secured to a pallet.
My thoughts also. Rating hauling performance with liquid as a ballast is not typical. That being said, at least they are staying consistent.
I just drove from ND to PA & back, about 2,400 miles round trip, in my 2014 5.0 4 door short bed 4x4 with a 3.55 rear. I got 19.5 avg mpg according to my on board display & 19.9 avg mpg when I calculated it. I did between 65-80 MPH the whole trip
I love reading the comments whenever an ecoboost is involved. All the keyboard experts tell us the about the lack of reliability. The 3.5 will be out for 9 years now. Ford has some version of an EB in every vehicle they sell except the super duty. Even there supercar has an EB but they are junk no reliability etc. if they were so bad they wouldn’t continue to put a lot of chips in one basket. I for one am on my second 3.5 first one went 120000 problem free miles and second one is at 41000 trouble free. If you’re going to tow with your half ton there is nothing that beats it. Fords 5.0 the old 5.4 gms 6.2 the hemi it doesn’t matter. Nathan talked about all the things the little 2.7 did better. If you tow consistently all of these things are what make towing a large load a better experience
I saw a 2014 3.5 on sale locally with over 160k miles! People refuse to do simple maintenance and upkeep and blame it on the manufacturer when they break their own products.
A coworker's dad gas a 2013 3.5 EB and its a disaster. Cam phaser is what they're thinking what's wrong. Just over 100k miles. Metal particles showing up in the oil. Trying to dump it now by trading it in. I'd be getting the 5.0.
@Rick Johnston Go watch the Town and Country Ford bid where they ask their entire service dept which engine they'd choose in their F150. Its about 14 to 1 for the V8. There's something to that.
Yup, 14 mechanics all fighting over who will get to work on those five ohs, daddy needs a boat..
I find it very funny that in the comments a vast majority of people say they prefer the V8, but in reality the best selling F150 engine by far is the 2.7 and by combining both Ecoboost engines' sales, about 70% are sold with an Ecoboost engines...pretty ironic don't you think?
I'll take that 5.0 all day long.... twin turbos blowing so much air, so much pressure, so much strain on that 2.7 motor... 5.0 without a doubt
You have no idea how an engine works.
The EcoBoosts are designed to handle that pressure appropriately though.
Great video,I rented a 2018 4x4 lariat and drove 226 miles one way I achieved 22.6 mpg with the 5.0,was very happy with the truck .Just some FYI I get less mpg with loves fuel I get better mileage with shell or chevron fuels,I have a job that requires lots of travel
So I'm constantly logging and tracking my vehicle.Continued thanks for all your work enjoy your stuff
Now do 3.5 vs baby power stroke with the 7,000 trailer
It would be a snap.
They already did older versions of those. Same weight, different trailer. www.tfltruck.com/2018/06/mpg-challenge-most-efficient-truck-towing-listed-specs/
I've got the 3.0 ppwerstroke and get a tad over 30 miles to the gallon not towing. But I know I could get better. Haven't towed with it yet. I still like to make sure I put some miles on a truck before towing
N Pooch thanks for the link👍🏼
@yfz450rx this is all Texas interstate mainly 85 mph
It's my understanding that most trucks and SUVs get about 8-9 mpg when towing. It's just the nature of towing, unless you get into turbo diesel, then I hear you can do a little better MPG when towing
I think the ecoboost was better at altitude in terms of power but it comes at a cost in fuel. Would still rather have the 5.0 because if anything goes wrong its a simpler engine to fix
I must be the odd duck in the room. I think trucks and turbos go together like peanut butter and jelly. I traded my 2006 5.4 liter xlt for a used 2018 stx 4x4 super-crew with the 2.7L ecoboost. I must admit that I love my new (to me) truck. these twin turbo motors are work horses for sure. I have never driven a coyote 5.0 so I cannot comment on that motor. I"m sure its no slouch but you will get my ecoboost from my cold dead hands.
The 5.0L is a great engine. However it feels like it's the old guy around, a little slower and a little lazier than the young guys, the EcoBoost. They have so much more to give in terms of power.
Great video guys big fan!
the Tow mirrors on the Lariat are optional on both the XLT and the Lariat. standard mirrors on the lariat are the same as the XLT just painted outside cover and i think an extra LED light in them. These trucks are optioned very different. not a very close comparison if you are comparing the trucks themselves in the beginning of the video. Just a little more research in what is actually standard in the lariat then what is optioned in it. Great videos!
For the increased reliability and simplicity of the ford v8 it’s the only choice for me
Lol. The current 5.0 isn’t anymore reliable then either ecoboosts.
They really screwed up the 5.0 with the 2018 changes. I have a 2015 with the 5.0 and love it but I would honestly get the 2.7 with the port and direct injection generation. I think it’s the better motor now until they fix the issues they created with the 5.0
I’ve heard about oil issues and a few small things. Are there other problems with the 2018 5.0. All I heard when they released the 2018 model 5.0 was that they added port and direct injection to avoid gumming up the intake. Do you know of any other changes?
Honestly the 2.7 is by far their most reliable motor. The second gen (2017+) 3.5 is a lot more reliable than the first. Then you've got the 5.0 which went backwards big time. They drink oil almost at the same rate as they do gas. Do a search and you'll see tons and tons and tons of 2018+ 5.0's that are using a quart of oil every 800-1,000 miles which is horrendous.
And why do so many ignorant ass people talk about the 5.0 being simple?? Do you stupid assholes even realize it's NOTHING at all the same as the old Windsor based 5.0 (302)!? This thing has massive twin cam, four valve per cylinder heads, dual fuel injection (8 port injectors and 8 direct injectors), variable valve timing and loads and loads of other, very high tech items. Hell these things in the mustangs (and a truck with a good tuner) wind out to over 7,000 rpm's stock! Do you realize what would happen to the old crappy ass Windsor based 5.0 of you wound it out to 7,000 rpm's? Lol hell those motors were well known to crack the block into two pieces at 500hp which luckily took a good bit of work to get that. These new coyote 5.0's run 1,000 hp on the stock block all day long.
I have an 18 2.7 F150.
It's Eco
or
Boost.
Not both at the same time.
You can seriously ecomile the 2.7 on the highway for upper 20s... which is insane to me as I remember the older trucks. heck, even my 2wd 3.0 5 speed Ranger couldn't match that.
Understand, EcoBoost is Eco or Boost, but not both at the same time.
As the owner of a 3.5L ecoboost, this is 100% correct. I can pass anyone I want even with a trailer on, but my god will she suck fuel. But cruising? She sips it. Considering it's primary job is getting me to work, and only towing maybe 10% of the time, I'm happy with the trade-off.
It's all in how they're driven.
Rapid acceleration will always increase fuel consumption regardless of the power source .. be is piston, electric, steam, chemical rocket. basic physics...
Just traded my 2013 F150 5.0 Platinum. Loved the 5.0 and have many of the 302/5.0 in a 73 Grand Torino, 69 Mustang, several F150s, I never thought I would get a 6, that is until I drove one. Just got a 2020 F150 King Ranch with the 3.5 EB. Spunky and easy to drive. Stout is the word. V8 yeah sounds mean..so what..395hp 470lb torque oh yeah 😎
5.0L all day for me! I like the man sound it makes!
What sound does it make as a EcoBoost smokes it in a 1/4 mile?
@@Steven-gv1ke lol. It's a big as truck. Doesn't need to be fast. BUT if I want it to be fast I'll throw a supercharger on it and make 600plus hp all day.
So...turbo is quicker. Esp. 3.5 stomps 5.0
@@BigEightiesNewWave so? 5.0L sounds way better. IMO.
exactly, the 5.0 has a lot of room to grow and is respectable stock
Would love for you guys to do a video of the three engine choices of trucks, without a trailer. Yeah towing is great and all but a lot of people spend 90% of their time with the truck not hauling anything more than my kids backpack on the way to school. I need a new truck and want to know real-world city mpg differences between a 2.7, 3.5 and 5.0!
Rear gear ratio need to be identical if you want this to be a serious comparison...
Not to mention the weight difference.
I feel like this was a fair comparison. I wonder if towing a higher percentage of the total tow capacity in the 5.0 would yield a comparable mileage. The trailer was over 90% of the max tow rating for the 2.7 where it was less than 80% for the 5.0.
I really don't know why they used the 2.7 in this test. It's a good engine but a towing and efficiency test against the 5.0? The 3.5 would've been a much better comparison.
3.55 vs 3.31 -> this is NOT apples to apples!
HellBoy 2.7 vs 5.0 isn’t apples to apples either.
rear gear ratio doesnt matter as much as it used to for mpg when you have those 8-10 speed transmissions
But they were both BLUE!
It still may be apples to apples. Ford, and all the manufacturers, install different gear sets based on the power curve of each engine. The std gear set is different for each of the tested engines. I believe they said each one did have the std gear set. So the engineers figured out what should be equal based on the radically different power delivery of the 2.7 turbo compared to the 5.0 n/a.
@@ForTehNguyen Agreed. The 10spds negate much of a difference.
I have a ‘17 CCSB 4x4 with the 3.5EB and averaged 11 mpg town an 18ft trailer loaded to around 7500lbs from TN to CO when we moved. That’s through all the rolling hills the Midwest has and doing the speed limit (average of 65mph). Daily driving I average around 21mpg.
I knew that was going to happen. It was one or two years ago you did a half ton truck mpg battle. The GMC 6.2 won that year.
The issue with the 6.2 though is that it pretty much requires (recommended per the manual - else it may ping/knock is what it says in my Yukon Denali's manual) premium (93 octane) fuel to get the best mileage and power and that's not the case with these Ford engines or even the rest of GM's truck engines. With the average fuel cost increase of around 60 cents more per gallon over regular (87 octane) fuel, that more than negates any potential MPG improvement on the 6.2. I don't know why TFL never even mentions that in any of their comparisons with the 6.2 from what I've seen anyways and I've seen pretty much all of their vids the past few years.
@@sugonmaballs I thought "most" force inducted motors suggest high octane as well
@@russellrogers3260 Some do, some don't. None of Ford's Ecoboosts engines (except maybe their HO 3.5 in the Raptor or GT) recommend or require it though for their power and/or mileage ratings though, whereas that's not the case on the 6.2L either. The premium fuel requirement is usually on higher compression engines regardless of how they're aspirated.
@@sugonmaballs Untrue. Ford specifies that premium fuel is used to attain the rated HP/torque numbers on the Ecoboost, and recommends it for maximum performance. That said, if I know I'm not going to be towing for most or all of a tank, I generally run mid-grade through mine. I tow a 7k-lb trailer and like to go to the mountains... even for normal towing, you'd probably never notice the difference from being down a few horsepower but it would reduce your available power somewhat to burn lower-octane fuel under heavy load.
@@dkbgeek actually Ford does recommend 87, and nothing more to get the numbers they advertise
Anyone notice one of the pcm connectors on the coyote was about to come loose when they showed the engine shot
Good, you saw that too
I would love to know how that 2.7 L eco-boost fares after 100,000 miles on the odometer
Mark S great
IMO based on history and the changes in the second gen fuel delivery I think it will fare well.
Will need a timing chain or some other catastrophic repair...it is a FORD afterall
Got mine new in 2015, 72,400 miles zero issues. And I drive hard on and off road. Even towed with it a few times
@@mikefoehr235 doubtable
Yes it is 2019 Velocity Blue Ford F150 3.7L V6 XLT 225 Hp 24 HighWay Gauge Cluster Panoramic Sunroof MPG Number Is=8.7 $54,584 Vs 2019 Velocity Blue Ford F150 Lariat 5.0L V8 395 Hp 400 Torque 10 Speed Automatic Transmission 22 Combined Gauge Cluster High-End Step MPG Number Is= 9.8 $64,555 Compact Ulimate Halfton Truck Best Selling Truck Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That MPG difference could definitely be attributed to the rear end. But, that also probably helped with the quick acceleration and passing power. I have a coyote now, replacing my wife’s car with a 2.7L next year
Love how the grill on the v8 is body painted. I have a 2018 xlt, the front end is identical to the 2.7l truck shown but i have a 3.5. Wish the grill on my truck was body painted. That lariat front end is lame otherwise though.
“Yeah id just get the 5.0 and slap 4 turbos on her and it will easily out do the ecoboost.” God people in the comments are cringe worthy. Get real.
I love my 5.0 XLT just because it sounds so good with my magnaflows, but I mostly tow with my 6.0 powerstroke Lariat, yes its bullet proofed and the finest truck I've ever owned.
The 2.7 is more meant for an empty daily driver. The thing gets 400 pound feet of torque at 2,750 rpm. 400 pound feet of torque is almost useless on a daily driver if it comes in at 4500 rpm like it does on the 5.0.
Yes. The 5.0 is a good all around engine but the old 5.4 was better suited for towing. It made 80% of its torque around 2700 rpm and peak torque at 3250. Hit for hit, the 5.4 generates more power than a 5.0 till 4200 rpm. Unfortunately, people think that because it's a V8 it has to be fast, and that is one of the loudest complaints about the 5.4, it's slow. But people don't take the time to learn how it can be so powerful and still feel slow. It's easier to just piss and moan in ignorance, I guess.
Seems like they tune the 5.0 to such a high RPM to make the Ecoboosts look better then.
@@stuffjunk5019 That's not how it's tuned, it's how it's designed. The 5.0 was designed with the Mustang in mind, not the F150. All a 5.0 is is a bored over 4.6, and that was designed for the Mustang as well.
@stuff
Having 400lbft of torque down low like in the 2.7 is what a truck is sposed to have to pull loads with.
The 5.0 has to spool up to 4000 rpm to reach that torque ,
It’s an engine from a car...
@@paulhunter9613 One issue with the 2.7 people have found is the stock intercooler won't cut it if you want to tow a lot, i actually just upgraded mine the other day. I can tell a difference on long trips and such, feels like it retains it power for the duration.
Why would anyone want to spend $65K or more, on any pickup??? I bought and paid $34K cash in 2012 for a fully loaded RAM 1500, 4X4 Crewcab, Outdoorsman with a 5.7 HEMI VVT V8 with Side and Cargo box system and Electric Brake tow package. It still runs and drives great. There's no way truck manufacturers can convince me that new trucks today, cost double, to build today. No Way...
I have to go V8, because I live at sea level, I don’t tow, and I’m a caveman and V8 sound good!!!
YOu should mention, when saying the turbo was better in passing, acceleration, etc., that you're at altitude X in Colorado. Here in MD at 500 feet, the 5.0 is impressive.
Everyone talking about gearing and mpg. I think difference is negligible with 10 speed auto. 3.31 or 3.55, even 3.73.
It was the elevation that gave the 5.0 better mpg. Less air = less fuel
@@nvrdwn3140 That might be true if they were testing at full throttle but not when traveling at the same speed. At any given speed the trucks are overcoming about the same wind resistance and friction and thus need to burn about the same amount of fuel and thus mix it with about the same amount of air.
Yep, agreed.
@@sonictech1000 That's not true. That truck wont be making the same power at any given rpm as at sea level due to less air and thus less fuel.
@@nvrdwn3140 And the driver will open up the throttle more which allows more air in at any given rpm resulting in the same amount of air, fuel, and power.
Not a surprise. That Coyote in this lighter truck is a straight up mpg champ. Hands down. My 2015 with 2WD, 3.31 axle, and the "old" 6spd trans gets 23.8 (25.1 indicated) mpg on the freeway at 71mph all day every day. I towed a loaded motorcycle uhaul trailer with it and got an indicated 23 something, but the funny thing is I just recently bought a 6x12 single axle utility trailer and it lost like 5mpg on average from the same route unloaded.
Also, I couldn't help but notice the LED lights on the mirrors and rear of the XLT, I wasn't aware an XLT could be optioned in such a way? I thought you used to have to get a Lariat to get those sexy LED tail lights.
I'd like to see a test between all full sized 1500 trucks at a cost less than 50k dollars instead of top trim levels.
I wish you would have added the 3.5L to the mix. I love towing with the 3.5L in my Expedition. Another great video! I live in Thornton. Do you all ever do a meet and greets?
It would’ve beaten out the 5.0 and 2.7 with no problem, they compared the two motors because they have they same amount of torque and load capacities are closer to each other.
I would guess it would be somewhere in the middle of the 2. It wouldn't have had to work as hard as the 2.7 to maintain speed, but it's still not going to beat a naturally aspirated engine.
TwinTurboCoyoteF-150 turbos will always win against naturally aspirated, why do you think the twin turbo 2.7 was faster than the coyote? Turbos allow more low end torque, something the 5.0 doesn’t have, that’s why the 2.7 can make as much torque as something with 2 more cylinders and almost twice the displacement.
The ecoboost is a all around better towing experience and unloaded driving is better. It drives and pulls at a lower rpm. I personally know of a EB ranch truck with 175k no problems. The NA engines are dying.
These guys crack me up with captions on. "The 2.7 liter porpoise" " lateral stability seems to be good if porpoises is just a little"
Porpoises come often in their conversations. Lol
The sticker prices on that truck is insane. $65k? You can get a new GT350 for less than that. Obviously there's always incentives for trucks that will make it cheaper in the end but them sticker prices tho
never pay sticker.
@@paulrodrigues9603 Lol really? I had no idea
Videos like this is why I bought a Cummins
Cant check fuel mileage if it cant make it back to the pump.. I like your thinking!
NATHAN ! Automatic mirrors fella. Don’t yank them out 😬
Won't harm them
2.7...all day long. Great mpg. Rocks off and on road. Towing capacity is good enough. Who needs all those b.s options, it’s a truck! To top it off it’s reasonably priced. Got my 2018 with a towing and sport package for $37K out the door. 👍🏻
Ford just needs to make A V-8 with a turbo
LEGO TIME I agree! But not sure they want us to have a easy 700 horse to the wheels on a mere 8-10 pounds of boost. Plus they would be forced to address their coyote engine breaking issues with a fully forged bad ass motor.
No, you yahoos need to educate yourselves to understand that a V8 does not equal fast.
That will never happen.
I’ll take whichever engine lasts the longest, has less engine wear and tear overtime, doesn’t have to get so high up in the power band to haul, and costs less to maintain.
So the EB then.
Damped tailgates on a MANS truck. Guess men are getting to weak and feeble to drop a tail gate in a controlled manner. SMH
True
Or...sometimes the tailgates themselves are so weak and feeble that they'll drop on their own... LOL. news.pickuptrucks.com/2019/05/2015-2018-ram-1500-2500-3500-recall-alert.html
My truck is 26 years old and the tailgate is fine. I never even heard of a dampening tailgate until this year.
I'd get irritated waiting for the stupid thing to drop, but I'm also not worried about breaking a finger nail.
Brace yourself as this may come as a shock but sometimes grown men have a wife & kids 😂
3.31 rare end axle with 5.0 can tow 9000 ibs? impressive!!
And as Nathan said “it will take awhile to get up to speed” so he proves again the five oh has no low end torque like you need in a truck