"The BSD folks are writing code fornthe betterment of mankind" Never heard more true words in my life. switched from windows to linux and at the end of june this year switched from linux to OpenBSD and it is just marvelous!
Not just the backend though; FreeBSD has been used as a base for many successful end user products, like PlayStation and Nintendo consoles, not to mention the high amount of FreeBSD and OpenBSD code and tools that are in macOS/NeXTSTEP and all the derivatives like iOS
As a FOSS fan and someone that tried half-a-dozen linux distributions, I am feeling attracted to {Free,Open}BSD because I've heard of the culture around it values a cohesive system, and takes care of providing a central source for (at least) the foundational knowledge (perhaps more, I haven't delved into it). If I manage to switch to a BSD system, I'd gladly pay regularly an organization for keeping the operating system and documentation coherent, cohesive, complete. It saves me a lot of time.
@@aziatork hello, I didn’t make the switch mainly because I had to prioritise work, where I’m using macOS. The organisation I’m talking about is the FreeBSD Foundation: freebsdfoundation.org
"Have you ever tried to install pkgs on a 10yr old Solaris system???" Umm you just gave me flashbacks of one of my fav workstations that I had, the mighty and very long toothed Sparc 5 (^_^!!!
"We had a very nice Solaris box with around 30 amatuer sysasmims"...LMFAO. yep hold on tight...As a SUN person myself I would say with that many people in the box, the inherently rock-solid becomes the Tar baby surrounded by quicksand. Fun times.
OpenBSD sets my fan to 100% and there's no way to turn it down. I tried every suggestion. Very noisy and thus unpleasant to work with. FreeBSD used to work well on my laptop but 12.1 gives me no sound. Weird. Also tried every solution. So, for the moment I'm back on arch where everything just works.
I'm a linux user(Gentoo and Arch), i thought to move to BSD but the lack of documentation available compared to Arch or even Gentoo is what scares me. For example, in my Gentoo i have everything passing through Tor, all my connections however i don't find the documentation to do this in BSD. Opinions on this ?
It seems as if you can use *BSD for a Tor Relay. :) They are very Network-oriented, among other, different things. :) Why, I'm told that Nintendo uses the *BSD Network Stack to power their Client-side Software that accesses their Servers. :)
On tor project own website there's a step by step guide on ow to do it. It is basically get tor, edit the /etc/login.conf and start the service the default proxy is sock5://127.0.0.1:9050 i did it on openbsd freebsd or netbsd might have slightly differences though.l,
Unfortunately, linux is being developped very in every aspect. It is getting many bleeding edge features while being unix/linux with very large application base. Kernel has many wonderful capabilities which led to many tools that caused distription in the industry like cgroups, dockers etc. Bsd just can not keep up. It look out og date out of box. Even though some people complaining about it, systemd is a great asset for system admins.
Yes, systemd is actually a good thing, its inspiration Apple's launchd. It integrates with cgroups, dbus, allows user-level (non-root) units, is able to launch services on a wide range of triggers and so on. Its haters seem to forget we are no longer in the 1980s and 1990s.
2010, no remote console, no virtualization? Did he miss speak? AIX had lpar in 1990s, x86 server class systems like ProLiant had RIB then iLO cards, Integrity also had those for hp-ux for remote console, I think hp-ux also had some virtualization as well. Virtualization came around in 1999 in x86, became mainstream by 2004. Xen was there for Linux then KVM came into being by 2008. Unless you deployed your servers on desktop class systems, 2010 was pretty good for remote control/console and very much for virtualization, regardless of the OS you ran.
You can hear every gulp. So, the water's fine, eh? I wonder what the ASMR people are going to make out of the sounds of shameless public swallowing. ;-P
The BSD license is my least favorite part of the BSD ecosystem. It allows for exploitation and companies with more power to use it over the average user. The GPL forces bad actors to do the bare minimum. I like to point to companies exploiting code like the TCP/IP stack when people say we need fewer regulations on corporations. Hardly, we need stronger, and much more firm regulations on them. There should never be proprietary software.
I love reading through Absolute OpenBSD and Absolute FreeBSD. This man makes learning BSD simple.
"The BSD folks are writing code fornthe betterment of mankind"
Never heard more true words in my life. switched from windows to linux and at the end of june this year switched from linux to OpenBSD and it is just marvelous!
Thank you for the reply! The FreeBSD folks are really great people!
Netflix uses BSD so it's not like they are exactly niche. Desktop yes, but back end, BSD is still a boss.
Not just the backend though; FreeBSD has been used as a base for many successful end user products, like PlayStation and Nintendo consoles, not to mention the high amount of FreeBSD and OpenBSD code and tools that are in macOS/NeXTSTEP and all the derivatives like iOS
@@casperes0912 The best is it License module you can use it on commercial product as free as you can .
@@مقاطعمترجمة-ش8ث yeah I like that too. All my personal code is on the bsd license :D
Interesting
The man itself, great talks as always!!!
As a FOSS fan and someone that tried half-a-dozen linux distributions, I am feeling attracted to {Free,Open}BSD because I've heard of the culture around it values a cohesive system, and takes care of providing a central source for (at least) the foundational knowledge (perhaps more, I haven't delved into it).
If I manage to switch to a BSD system, I'd gladly pay regularly an organization for keeping the operating system and documentation coherent, cohesive, complete. It saves me a lot of time.
Did you made the switch ? And what organization you’re talking about ?
@@aziatork hello, I didn’t make the switch mainly because I had to prioritise work, where I’m using macOS.
The organisation I’m talking about is the FreeBSD Foundation: freebsdfoundation.org
"Have you ever tried to install pkgs on a 10yr old Solaris system???" Umm you just gave me flashbacks of one of my fav workstations that I had, the mighty and very long toothed Sparc 5 (^_^!!!
Mister Lucas your my hero!
... and Benedict! Made me laugh too hard.
great author, careful thinker.
that being said, play at 1.25-1.5x
1.25
OpenBSD 8.0
Subtitle: My Little Pwny - Ports are Magic
Haha!
An a.out to ELF transition on Plan 9 would just be to define a new /$cputype for the ELF binaries.
Great talk .
BSD users are the Pillar Men of OS users.
Oh I see
"AYYAYAYAY..."
Great class BSD is still the future..Thank you for sharing.
Couldn't agree more!
"We had a very nice Solaris box with around 30 amatuer sysasmims"...LMFAO. yep hold on tight...As a SUN person myself I would say with that many people in the box, the inherently rock-solid becomes the Tar baby surrounded by quicksand. Fun times.
OpenBSD sets my fan to 100% and there's no way to turn it down. I tried every suggestion. Very noisy and thus unpleasant to work with. FreeBSD used to work well on my laptop but 12.1 gives me no sound. Weird. Also tried every solution. So, for the moment I'm back on arch where everything just works.
I never understood why people hated BSD.
And then I watched this talk.
Some famous open source not support native build for bsd ,such as vscode, chromium,webrtc. If work on such project， how can use bsd？？
vscode is in the Freebase ports.
@@SchleimKeim77 yes, but some vscode plugin not support bsd, such as 'ssh remote'
@@jimying4682 just use vi and ssh on bsd. or the ssh, but keep using vscode.
I'm a linux user(Gentoo and Arch), i thought to move to BSD but the lack of documentation available compared to Arch or even Gentoo is what scares me. For example, in my Gentoo i have everything passing through Tor, all my connections however i don't find the documentation to do this in BSD. Opinions on this ?
It seems as if you can use *BSD for a Tor Relay. :) They are very Network-oriented, among other, different things. :) Why, I'm told that Nintendo uses the *BSD Network Stack to power their Client-side Software that accesses their Servers. :)
You're either joking, a troll, or ??? FreeBSD set the benchmark for documentation.
www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
On tor project own website there's a step by step guide on ow to do it. It is basically get tor, edit the /etc/login.conf and start the service the default proxy is sock5://127.0.0.1:9050 i did it on openbsd freebsd or netbsd might have slightly differences though.l,
@@arrowdog8852 I use Ubuntu btw.
unsure what you mean by this as openbsd has very good documentation
Unfortunately, linux is being developped very in every aspect. It is getting many bleeding edge features while being unix/linux with very large application base. Kernel has many wonderful capabilities which led to many tools that caused distription in the industry like cgroups, dockers etc. Bsd just can not keep up. It look out og date out of box. Even though some people complaining about it, systemd is a great asset for system admins.
Yes, systemd is actually a good thing, its inspiration Apple's launchd. It integrates with cgroups, dbus, allows user-level (non-root) units, is able to launch services on a wide range of triggers and so on. Its haters seem to forget we are no longer in the 1980s and 1990s.
FROM CHINA
Be something else if function. = 03
Am debian and arch user I could give free bad a try in vrtualbox
2010, no remote console, no virtualization? Did he miss speak? AIX had lpar in 1990s, x86 server class systems like ProLiant had RIB then iLO cards, Integrity also had those for hp-ux for remote console, I think hp-ux also had some virtualization as well. Virtualization came around in 1999 in x86, became mainstream by 2004. Xen was there for Linux then KVM came into being by 2008. Unless you deployed your servers on desktop class systems, 2010 was pretty good for remote control/console and very much for virtualization, regardless of the OS you ran.
I think he meant that it wasn't mainstream and probably his employer at the time wouldn't use it. My employer only started in 2012 for example.
=93 Three suprime.
The coke can saved the day!
You can hear every gulp. So, the water's fine, eh? I wonder what the ASMR people are going to make out of the sounds of shameless public swallowing. ;-P
I'd rather turn down my volume a bit than have to turn it all the way up just to be able to hear the speaker :)
Social BSD.
The BSD license is my least favorite part of the BSD ecosystem.
It allows for exploitation and companies with more power to use it over the average user.
The GPL forces bad actors to do the bare minimum.
I like to point to companies exploiting code like the TCP/IP stack when people say we need fewer regulations on corporations.
Hardly, we need stronger, and much more firm regulations on them. There should never be proprietary software.
The thumbs down come from Linux users.
watching this on windows. come fite me
Why, when you must be exhausted from fighting Windows?
Imagine using backslashes and having to defrag drives
@@tylerdean980 imagine having to fiddle around in config files to enable tab-complete
@@leoSaunders tab complete is default for every distro that I've ever tried, even gentoo. what are you using dash instead of bash?
boring and pointless
@Donald Mickunas RTFM. No seriously, read it, it's a great manual