Calling Polygon 'unknown' is a bit of a mischaracterization. They are a massive bicycle manufacturer and have been around for decades. They been in North America for a while too and are very well known here for their mountain bikes. So they are a known quantity, with solid manufacturer warranty backing.
The point is "do you have to spend $10k for a certain level of performance?" The answer is no you don't. You can pay $10k or you can pay $4.5k+2k (for wheels) and achieve similar performance. Doing the wheel swap test is kind of pointless in this case.
tbf this is with Dura Ace, integrated front-end, yadda yadda. Plenty of room to compromise in that build. Although, yeah, prices for new are bonkers even with that.
Also important to note, for those Crit racers that are not sponsored and buy their own gear - the Polygon Helios at half the price, you can replace it with another brand-new Polygon Helios bike if you crash it & you will still be less the costs of the Scott for a single bike. Jeff- would love to see you do a review on the Tavelo Arrow and see if it is a Factor Ostro Van killer
The tires on the helios weren't the highest performance ones as on both the other wheelsets. The minute gap wasn't only the wheels, but also the tires with higher rolling resistance.
Yes. Either had tires with miserable RR.. or the tires were too wide for the wheel. It's super weird that he most likely knows all this but didn't explain it in the video
This stuff happens all the time on youtube. Make a big deal about wheels and then silently swap the tyres as well. Gotta make a video interesting somehow.
You touched on a topic that is likely one of the most under-evaluated performance aspects of a frame: power transfer efficiency. Why isn't the industry measuring and reporting loss of watts due to frame flex under high load (accelerating up a short climb, out of a corner as you say)? There seems to be a trade-off between compliance (for comfort) and stiffness (for power transfer) that is discussed, but it would be good to see some numbers on that topic. I'd think the % loss at higher power levels would be vary a lot between frames. You could probably add wheels into that mix.
Or maybe the watts supposedly 'lost' are so low that they are not worth talking about. Track and road sprinters putting out 1,500w for 20 seconds may well show a difference but for the vast majority of riders I'd bet real money that it is inconsequential.
Both are disks bikes. Why not use the Scott wheels on the polygon? The polygon wheels almost certainly have poor tyres with butyl tubes. Testing shows that alone is likely to be responsible for most of the time gap. And when commenting on bike comfort, you really have to be using the same wheelset, because most of the comfort these days comes from large(r) volume tyres.
I’m from Malaysia. We have a lotttttt of these Polygon Helios A’s running around. Quite a decent number of them have slipping seat post issues. It can still be remedied. But if you’re a home mechanic, be ready to work on it if it slips. Other than that, it’s a great bike for its asking price.
Nasib baik aku guna entry level pardus all rounder frame, conventional seatpost clamp. Kalau confirm podium race dlm Malaysia boleh la angkat yg mahal, kalau dah podium pasti ada sponsor nanti. Kalau kaya bolehla angkat satu yg mahal, kalau jatuh takla makan hati. haha
@@apair4002 yes, usually cheaper & entry level frames do not have a lot of other proprietary stuff so it comes with conventional seat post and clamp is good for us normal people. We are not sponsored nor do we have a full time mechanic 24/7 on standby at our Service Courses. Haha. Btw, on the topic of seat posts, there are 2 types. 1. Clamp style 2. Wedge style Usually the ones slipping are those with wedge style. Wedge style may look nicer, cleaner and more aero by 0.0000000012 watts, but most famous bikes with slipping seat posts uses wedge style like Canyon Aeroad, Factor Ostro, Seka Exceed, Poly Helios.
Lots of folks have commented on methodology of the testing, so I'd like to look at some rough numbers. We can assume that 10 watts is worth 1 second per kilometer. We know this course is 12.25km. Let's assume (based on BRR and Aerocoach tests) that the Schwalbe One TLE (the stock Helios tire) is 10-20 watts slower than the GP5k for both wheels combined. Let's assume latex tubes are 5-10 watts faster than butyl tubes for both wheels combined. Let's assume the Scott has butyl tubes still. Now that assumptions are outlined, let's plug and chug: Swapping tires on the Helios should result in going 12-24 seconds faster or a range of 5 seconds faster to 7 seconds slower compared to the Scott. Swapping tires and tubes should result in the Helios going 18-36 seconds faster, let's cut it down the middle and call it 24 seconds. Consider that the Scott was 7 seconds faster in the later run, possibly wind conditions changed. So perhaps the Helios with fast tires/tubes on stock wheels is now in the range of 19:10 compared to the Helios on Reserve wheels. 20ish seconds, or about 15 watts. TL:DR 1) Roughly half of the difference between the Reserve and the Entity wheels can be attributed to tires and tubes 2) On equal tires, the Helios is the same speed as the Scott in a steady state effort 3) Really fast wheels are faster, but really fast rubber is worth a similar savings at 1/8 the cost.
Nice shootout. As for the Polygon, perhaps one can: swap the tires to GP5k or Schwalbe Pro One, convert to tubeless, change the bearing to NTN. Cheap upgrades
Love my A8X swapped out the stock tires and butyl tubes to gp5000's and tpu tubes and took nearly a lb off the bike such a difference can't wait to swap them out for a lighter set tho. Def one of the best bang for the buck bikes out there right now and you can't beat it for crit racing helluva lot cheaper to replace a helios vs one of the mainstream brands.
I just purchased a Van Dessel Arch 65 for less than the polygon (but i have Ultegra Di2 and not Dura ace) i would love to hear your thoughts on this particular bike.
Thanks for this. - Bladed spokes do have a measurable impact on aerodynamics/speed. I would say that was the biggest difference, but... - Did you use the same tyres on all wheels sets?
I big thing I see in those budget bikes is the wheels. First thing I did on my Motobecane is get a pair of hunt wheels, light weight cassette. Still saved $$$$. The difference is so little compared to my Trek SLR is like this test 1% est. I'm an avg rider my 290 watts is only maybe 2-3 minutes if that. My Trek SLR vs Motobecane is only a 1 lb difference for double the money 💰.
Good vid, yeah even the $4k is a lot but hopefully this bike lasts many years. I bought my Cervelo R3 and it is still going strong for a super fast bike. I’ve done 7 MS 150 rides on it and have logged over 7k miles on it - now that’s a big bargain!
U shd do an acceleration test, standing and rolling. Rolling being better. Carrying x speed out of a corner, in a straight, and speed thru a corner. For those who race that is. I’m a gravel bike quiver killer…but N+1. Cervelo aspero (not the 5) and Ritchey Outback (23)
First off, you should provide more information for the company Polygon. I am assuming this is another brand out of Asia? Second, why did you not swat your Dura-Ace wheels onto the Polygon? This would have made a better comparison.
Umm.. clicking the links in the description, those prices aren't accurate. The A9X is $6249 and the S8X isn't even the same frame, its a different one and its $3199. Here I was excited about buying a Di2 DA bike for 4500...
As much as we want to pretend that it doesn't, brand matters when you're speding this much on a bike. I can't see many people going for a Dura-Ace Polygon bike. Most people would prefer a lower end groupset with a well known brand printed on the downtube. A Polygon with 105 or SRAM Rival that significantly undercuts the big brands would be more compelling but even then most people will just want to save a bit more for the big brands.
I've Got Peugeot Perthus Pro Reynolds 753r Steel Vintage RoadBike, 26mm Carbon Handle Bars, Rolf Prima Ares Ceramic Bearing Carbon Wheels, Carbon Saddle & Seat Post. Weighs Just over 8KG With Pedals, With a Carbon Crank I think I could get it below 7.8KG for a 1987 Peugeot Perthus Pro Reynolds 753r Steel Road Bike Running Shimano 600 Vintage Groupset with downtube Shifters.
my first bike was a s2 polygon strattos.. cheap but good bike for entry.. polygon is a great value for money.. most weekend warriors dont need that high end bike.
It’s all in the wheels. Buy the cheaper bike, get deeper wheels if it’s that important. And done. More people should start going with Asian brands to stick it to the big brands and their outrageous prices.
Perhaps the word “value” should be used instead of “budget”. It’s hard to argue that $4500 is cheap or budget friendly, but it’s certainly a good value in comparison
I wish i could run all the permutations of tire, wheel and frame combos, multiple runs for each, but there's only so many hours in the day to run tests, and there's a balance on youtube between super data heavy analysis and to-the-point conclusions. Always striving to strike that balance to please as many ppl as possible!
it's a great reinforcement to affirm that wheels on a tried and true platform will make the marginal into a maxiam gain. i'd be keen to see what the actual nirvana or utopia add to or even going from a jersey bib to skin suit. you've touch on tires before but another good one. maybe american classic has something or the new goodyears but cost to performance to realworld hard to be fast if it flats, and with gravel dropping 200+ mile events loyal roadies are getting sparce.
If you're going to buy a Helios and buy a new wheelset, then you're better off just buying a nice bike that already comes with a faster wheels. Buy Nice, not Twice.
You really missed changing the wheelset for this test and I bet you had it in mind but simply decided not to do it? Dunno... EJ and you with the same sponsoring with Polygon 🔥
I bought a 2002 Raleigh R700 off Craigslist, Aluminum Frame, carbon forks, ultegra shifters, rim brakes. Do you think I could beat you in a race if you're riding on that $4,500 let alone $9,000 bicycle? btw - I paid $275, Cash.
When you think $4500 is budget, you have clearly been using 'Pro' discounts or flat out been handed the bikes from brands in exchange for these reviews. This shows just how far out of touch industry influencers have gotten.
Some people don't want to ride a chines bike to not be in shame in front of other people. Men, i'm PROUD to ride my Winspace T1500+Hyper wheels and be faster than guys with bikes that are twice the price of mine !!
Idk man, this isn’t budget. I understand you’re in the ‘world of racing’ and high end equipment, but ouch. I thought a 105 equipped TCR (what I got) was a budget option. Would be really interested in an actual budget bike (sub 2k? Still a lot…) vs these. And then throw some decent wheels and tires on each and see how close they get to each other.
My take is somewhat different. Seems to me that the Polygon chassis is way better than the Scott. With the same wheelset it is faster and more comfortable. Job done.... Scott exposed...
Calling Polygon 'unknown' is a bit of a mischaracterization. They are a massive bicycle manufacturer and have been around for decades. They been in North America for a while too and are very well known here for their mountain bikes. So they are a known quantity, with solid manufacturer warranty backing.
If I were you, I would have tested both bikes with the same wheelset.
Yep I mean I’m sure the Helios was fast but without a apples to apples comparison the data can’t be reliable
This. I was hoping third test was swapping wheels between bikes and seeing what happened. Adding a third vector just made it more convoluted.
Or even just the same tires.
also wanted to see this.
The point is "do you have to spend $10k for a certain level of performance?" The answer is no you don't. You can pay $10k or you can pay $4.5k+2k (for wheels) and achieve similar performance. Doing the wheel swap test is kind of pointless in this case.
I swapped the stock wheels on my Polygon Helios too, and man what a difference it made.
Man how many different bikes have you had? Seems like 10 or 15 in just a couple years ?
Is there anyone who actually needs Dura-Ace on a budget-conscious frame? Ultegra plus the wheel upgrade would seem to be the best value overall.
No. If on budget, only 105 makes sense for Shimano
they sell ultegra and 105 versions as well, for even cheaper with NORCAL5, only available for 2 weeks they said. check the description 👌
If you don't need it, then it's even cheaper and better priced.
This not a budget conscious frame this is how much they all should be worth. Major manufacturers are ripping everyone
Budget King means $9,000 bike vs $4,500 bike? I'm in the wrong place.
Agreed
You should not shop for the latest tech + brand new and you are getting warmer.
tbf this is with Dura Ace, integrated front-end, yadda yadda. Plenty of room to compromise in that build. Although, yeah, prices for new are bonkers even with that.
I think he meant budget king when searching for top of the line bikes. Maybe Value King would have been a better title.
For what is comes with yes, budget build.
Also important to note, for those Crit racers that are not sponsored and buy their own gear - the Polygon Helios at half the price, you can replace it with another brand-new Polygon Helios bike if you crash it & you will still be less the costs of the Scott for a single bike. Jeff- would love to see you do a review on the Tavelo Arrow and see if it is a Factor Ostro Van killer
most underated comment here this is the exact reason i went with the helios you can't beat that value especially for non sponsored racers like myself
The tires on the helios weren't the highest performance ones as on both the other wheelsets. The minute gap wasn't only the wheels, but also the tires with higher rolling resistance.
I'd wager it was 90% tires....
Needs to redo the whole test!
Yes. Either had tires with miserable RR.. or the tires were too wide for the wheel. It's super weird that he most likely knows all this but didn't explain it in the video
This stuff happens all the time on youtube. Make a big deal about wheels and then silently swap the tyres as well. Gotta make a video interesting somehow.
Thanks for the thorough and honest review! We really enjoyed this video!
I’ve been riding a Polygon Strattos S7 for 2 years, it’s been a fantastic bike, I’d have no problem buying it again!
I guess the answer is to get neither. Just get the Aeroed for 6 or so ?
You touched on a topic that is likely one of the most under-evaluated performance aspects of a frame: power transfer efficiency. Why isn't the industry measuring and reporting loss of watts due to frame flex under high load (accelerating up a short climb, out of a corner as you say)? There seems to be a trade-off between compliance (for comfort) and stiffness (for power transfer) that is discussed, but it would be good to see some numbers on that topic. I'd think the % loss at higher power levels would be vary a lot between frames. You could probably add wheels into that mix.
Or maybe the watts supposedly 'lost' are so low that they are not worth talking about.
Track and road sprinters putting out 1,500w for 20 seconds may well show a difference but for the vast majority of riders I'd bet real money that it is inconsequential.
Both are disks bikes. Why not use the Scott wheels on the polygon?
The polygon wheels almost certainly have poor tyres with butyl tubes. Testing shows that alone is likely to be responsible for most of the time gap.
And when commenting on bike comfort, you really have to be using the same wheelset, because most of the comfort these days comes from large(r) volume tyres.
Was the Scott tested with the same upgraded wheels? I missed this information...
no, induction research methods 101 have not been taught yet 😂
I’m from Malaysia. We have a lotttttt of these Polygon Helios A’s running around. Quite a decent number of them have slipping seat post issues. It can still be remedied. But if you’re a home mechanic, be ready to work on it if it slips. Other than that, it’s a great bike for its asking price.
Nasib baik aku guna entry level pardus all rounder frame, conventional seatpost clamp. Kalau confirm podium race dlm Malaysia boleh la angkat yg mahal, kalau dah podium pasti ada sponsor nanti. Kalau kaya bolehla angkat satu yg mahal, kalau jatuh takla makan hati. haha
@@apair4002 yes, usually cheaper & entry level frames do not have a lot of other proprietary stuff so it comes with conventional seat post and clamp is good for us normal people.
We are not sponsored nor do we have a full time mechanic 24/7 on standby at our Service Courses. Haha.
Btw, on the topic of seat posts, there are 2 types.
1. Clamp style
2. Wedge style
Usually the ones slipping are those with wedge style. Wedge style may look nicer, cleaner and more aero by 0.0000000012 watts, but most famous bikes with slipping seat posts uses wedge style like Canyon Aeroad, Factor Ostro, Seka Exceed, Poly Helios.
Saw it out here when EJ was racing. It's waaaay nicer in person.
Lots of folks have commented on methodology of the testing, so I'd like to look at some rough numbers.
We can assume that 10 watts is worth 1 second per kilometer. We know this course is 12.25km.
Let's assume (based on BRR and Aerocoach tests) that the Schwalbe One TLE (the stock Helios tire) is 10-20 watts slower than the GP5k for both wheels combined.
Let's assume latex tubes are 5-10 watts faster than butyl tubes for both wheels combined.
Let's assume the Scott has butyl tubes still.
Now that assumptions are outlined, let's plug and chug:
Swapping tires on the Helios should result in going 12-24 seconds faster or a range of 5 seconds faster to 7 seconds slower compared to the Scott.
Swapping tires and tubes should result in the Helios going 18-36 seconds faster, let's cut it down the middle and call it 24 seconds. Consider that the Scott was 7 seconds faster in the later run, possibly wind conditions changed. So perhaps the Helios with fast tires/tubes on stock wheels is now in the range of 19:10 compared to the Helios on Reserve wheels. 20ish seconds, or about 15 watts.
TL:DR
1) Roughly half of the difference between the Reserve and the Entity wheels can be attributed to tires and tubes
2) On equal tires, the Helios is the same speed as the Scott in a steady state effort
3) Really fast wheels are faster, but really fast rubber is worth a similar savings at 1/8 the cost.
Nice shootout. As for the Polygon, perhaps one can: swap the tires to GP5k or Schwalbe Pro One, convert to tubeless, change the bearing to NTN. Cheap upgrades
lolz - any bay area testing makes me think wind plays a real factor with 'later runs'.
Great video. Love the test. Would’ve been interesting to see the Scott with the reserves. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for doing these videos. This is real advice and not based on marketing!!!!
Curious which of your bikes has been your favorite to ride subjectively the last few years. SL7, Soloist, Winspace, Scott, etc
Love my A8X swapped out the stock tires and butyl tubes to gp5000's and tpu tubes and took nearly a lb off the bike such a difference can't wait to swap them out for a lighter set tho. Def one of the best bang for the buck bikes out there right now and you can't beat it for crit racing helluva lot cheaper to replace a helios vs one of the mainstream brands.
I just purchased a Van Dessel Arch 65 for less than the polygon (but i have Ultegra Di2 and not Dura ace) i would love to hear your thoughts on this particular bike.
You'd need to measure headwind for each run too, otherwise you can't tell if the difference is just a slight change in wind
Thanks for this.
- Bladed spokes do have a measurable impact on aerodynamics/speed. I would say that was the biggest difference, but...
- Did you use the same tyres on all wheels sets?
In all honesty, you're basically buying the Durace group set that happens to come with training wheels.. great deal.
throwing the dura ace wheels on the polygon would have been a more appropriate comparison.
looks like the polygon wheels had different tires than the reserves and that can make a pretty big difference as well
I big thing I see in those budget bikes is the wheels. First thing I did on my Motobecane is get a pair of hunt wheels, light weight cassette. Still saved $$$$. The difference is so little compared to my Trek SLR is like this test 1% est. I'm an avg rider my 290 watts is only maybe 2-3 minutes if that. My Trek SLR vs Motobecane is only a 1 lb difference for double the money 💰.
polygon is anything but a unknown brand. They're just not big here in the states, also more known for they're MTB bikes.
It is known brand in Asia. It is use in UCI race in Asia. Polygon sponsored TSG team from Malaysia.
Hi you didnt mentioned the total cost for Polygon with upgradet Reserve wheels? Iguess the price point will increase a lot.
?
Using the aero sensor would bring a lot of credibility to these type of outdoor comparisons.
T1550 vs Helios?
The Helios was an absolute bargain, especially if you go with Ultegra as I did. Dura Ace is just a fraction lighter but with the same performance.
this is the way
How many run have you done for each bike ? 1.6% may not be significant
Good vid, yeah even the $4k is a lot but hopefully this bike lasts many years. I bought my Cervelo R3 and it is still going strong for a super fast bike. I’ve done 7 MS 150 rides on it and have logged over 7k miles on it - now that’s a big bargain!
Damn everybody's hella spicy in the comments today. Me and the bots still appreciate you Jeff 😘
Wow! Components alone had me wanting to buy this bike. Great overall price as well.
The wheels that came on the Helios will make great training/pit wheels.
That Colnago looks nice you were on. How is SLO treating you. A ways from Alviso
U shd do an acceleration test, standing and rolling. Rolling being better. Carrying x speed out of a corner, in a straight, and speed thru a corner. For those who race that is. I’m a gravel bike quiver killer…but N+1. Cervelo aspero (not the 5) and Ritchey Outback (23)
how is it if compare to Giant TCR Advance Pro / SL... if u can choose which one will u choose?
Think I remember seeing their geometry and figuring that is way too aggressive for me. That and I continue to resist this brakes on a road bike. -U10
1.6% could be accounted for by wind or the most subtle variations in your path.
Crazy Edward Snowden is now a bike guru. Wild AF.
First off, you should provide more information for the company Polygon. I am assuming this is another brand out of Asia?
Second, why did you not swat your Dura-Ace wheels onto the Polygon? This would have made a better comparison.
Polygon is an Indonesian brand that has been around since 1989 and is well known in the mtb scene here in the US .
Umm.. clicking the links in the description, those prices aren't accurate. The A9X is $6249 and the S8X isn't even the same frame, its a different one and its $3199.
Here I was excited about buying a Di2 DA bike for 4500...
Very thorough, subbed :)
JP Ballard & Dan Bigham have debunked the 105 rule in the modern era of wheels and tyres.
what does he mean by bladed spokes at 3:45? thanks
What do you think of the “Superior” brand that BikesOnline seems to have swapped the Polygon brand for?
Huge miss there failing to simply put the same set of wheels in both bikes!
Consider also that on the 2nd run, maybe you’re already: tired, dehydrated, lack nutrition, heavier because of sweat on your clothes….etc
He avg 290 watts every run all of that is non-issue. Heavier from sweat? Completely negligible.
what about the scott with the fancy wheels
What is the price of the Helios with the Reserve wheelset?
Just get ICAN wheels. Lighter, faster with a good warranty and much cheaper
@@benjamindejarnette5714 I didn't see anything with Shimano 12 speed hubs.
As much as we want to pretend that it doesn't, brand matters when you're speding this much on a bike. I can't see many people going for a Dura-Ace Polygon bike. Most people would prefer a lower end groupset with a well known brand printed on the downtube. A Polygon with 105 or SRAM Rival that significantly undercuts the big brands would be more compelling but even then most people will just want to save a bit more for the big brands.
forget expensive wind tunnel testing we have Jeff
All I want is a good looking aggressive aero frame with 60mm carbon wheels, no need for electronic shifting, which cost no more than $3500 🤣🤣
I've Got Peugeot Perthus Pro Reynolds 753r Steel Vintage RoadBike, 26mm Carbon Handle Bars, Rolf Prima Ares Ceramic Bearing Carbon Wheels, Carbon Saddle & Seat Post.
Weighs Just over 8KG
With Pedals, With a Carbon Crank I think I could get it below 7.8KG for a 1987 Peugeot Perthus Pro Reynolds 753r Steel Road Bike Running Shimano 600 Vintage Groupset with downtube Shifters.
Fantastic video
Thank you so much
This bike's price has already been increased to $6.2k. I guess that's the power of the NorCal bump
ETA: and the Ultegra variant is now $4.7k
The bike was always that much, they just showed a discounted price in the video.
Anyone that actually needs Dura-Ace has it bought for them. I would love to see this bike with Ultegra or 105.
This bike is available with ultegra or 105 for less money
Polygon is a well known - and established - Indonesian brand. I believe they were first MTB experts
Please don’t claim you can “very accurately” check aerodynamics on a bike with a loop around the street
my first bike was a s2 polygon strattos.. cheap but good bike for entry.. polygon is a great value for money.. most weekend warriors dont need that high end bike.
I got video idea , set the rules for Olympics crit event for LA event inspired by Paris
The Reserves cost about $1800
Probably more like $2000 plus!
@@johnventevogel7415 Nope, just do some research instead of guessing
It’s all in the wheels. Buy the cheaper bike, get deeper wheels if it’s that important. And done. More people should start going with Asian brands to stick it to the big brands and their outrageous prices.
Perhaps the word “value” should be used instead of “budget”. It’s hard to argue that $4500 is cheap or budget friendly, but it’s certainly a good value in comparison
Dude, now I'm feeling bad for criticizing your previous video 🤣 I don't race but if I did, I'd go with the helios w/the reserves.
Why not get the Cannondale Evo 2 Generation 4 (2024) 95% of the performance of the Lab 71 for $5,500?
Would have tried the Polygon with stock wheels and the GP5000's...you ran Schwable's on the stock wheels.
I wish i could run all the permutations of tire, wheel and frame combos, multiple runs for each, but there's only so many hours in the day to run tests, and there's a balance on youtube between super data heavy analysis and to-the-point conclusions. Always striving to strike that balance to please as many ppl as possible!
You need to redo the whole test with the same tires in all tests
it's a great reinforcement to affirm that wheels on a tried and true platform will make the marginal into a maxiam gain. i'd be keen to see what the actual nirvana or utopia add to or even going from a jersey bib to skin suit. you've touch on tires before but another good one. maybe american classic has something or the new goodyears but cost to performance to realworld hard to be fast if it flats, and with gravel dropping 200+ mile events loyal roadies are getting sparce.
Ultegra Di2 build + new Reserve wheels you can come in at $5k
I had the A7x and was the best bike ever. Y’all would love it. Can get it for 3ish k on sale.
Scott with the Reserves, please.
If you're going to buy a Helios and buy a new wheelset, then you're better off just buying a nice bike that already comes with a faster wheels.
Buy Nice, not Twice.
but with the helios you'll get a set of training wheels you can keep training tires on, and not have to worry about beating up your nice racing setup
Nice real world test!!!
You really missed changing the wheelset for this test and I bet you had it in mind but simply decided not to do it? Dunno...
EJ and you with the same sponsoring with Polygon 🔥
I have the polygon S5 and love it
I suspect Jeff can’t compare because I think Scott sponsored his Foil
I bought a 2002 Raleigh R700 off Craigslist, Aluminum Frame, carbon forks, ultegra shifters, rim brakes. Do you think I could beat you in a race if you're riding on that $4,500 let alone $9,000 bicycle? btw - I paid $275, Cash.
Budget is go train to make yourself faster. Your rim brake bike isn’t gonna slow you down more than your fitness 🤸🏻♂️🤸🏻♂️
3rd test was not with the same wheels from the scott? for which purpose?? makes no sense.
PLEASE, stop saying OUTSIDE DIAMETER when the one you're measuring is really the rim's OUTER WIDTH. You have done this a lot of times already! Lmao
When you think $4500 is budget, you have clearly been using 'Pro' discounts or flat out been handed the bikes from brands in exchange for these reviews. This shows just how far out of touch industry influencers have gotten.
Some people don't want to ride a chines bike to not be in shame in front of other people.
Men, i'm PROUD to ride my Winspace T1500+Hyper wheels and be faster than guys with bikes that are twice the price of mine !!
I’d buy the Polygon simply because the brand name isn’t embarrassing. I can’t been seen in atop a weird Chinglish neologism like “Winspace”
Since today morning, they have been all over my facebook
I really don't think any amateur cyclist needs Dura ace unless they are rich... Ultegra or 105 should be more that enough...
Idk man, this isn’t budget. I understand you’re in the ‘world of racing’ and high end equipment, but ouch.
I thought a 105 equipped TCR (what I got) was a budget option. Would be really interested in an actual budget bike (sub 2k? Still a lot…) vs these. And then throw some decent wheels and tires on each and see how close they get to each other.
En France le polygon est a 7800€ et non à 4500
How about margin of error, LOL. That's a good explanation.
anyone knows which wheels are the fast ones?
Asking for a friend
Reserves
My take is somewhat different. Seems to me that the Polygon chassis is way better than the Scott. With the same wheelset it is faster and more comfortable. Job done.... Scott exposed...
Now compare the helios to the winspace t1550 ;)
I don't think the spokes are aluminium 😬😜
*steel 🤦♂️
Polygon is top tier brand here in Indonesia
If youre telling me the budget king is 9000 hell no id rather get a Cube Litening