Squier is NOT Fender
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- After posting my video "How to Spot a Fake Fender in Seconds" a few years ago... one of the most common comments is "Squier is made by Fender, so it's not fake." In the video I show how people fake fenders by rubbing off the Squier logo and put on a fake Fender logo on it. This video explains why that makes it a fake Fender. That is not to say that a Squier is a bag guitar... I own many of them, but it is a fake fender if you try and pawn it off as a Fender. I take a look at a number of guitars, Squier, Fender, and parts guitars to see where the fake line is drawn. I hope this video clears up the confusion.
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You are so right about people changing decals and trying pass off a lesser brand as a premium brand. I own and play live with two Squier guitars, but I always tell people the guitars are the Squier brand. Enjoyed your video.
It’s not cool when people rub off Squire logo and put a Fender decal on headstock and then try to sell it.
If you do it for yourself and are honest when selling it could be forgiven. I put a fender decal on my squier jazz bass
@Boony Tooty no fender is pretty good, they're a little over priced but I can certainly imagine buying a tele for around 500 used
Squiers are no more Fender than Epiphone is Gibson. Putting a Fender logo on a Squier really just means one of two things. You're either insecure about a owning a Squier and you're trying to impress a bunch of cork sniffing gear snobs or you're up to no good and you're trying rip someone off by passing a Squier off as a Fender.
@Boony Tooty no, if people are willing to pay for it.
Boony Tooty MIJ squiers in my opinion beat most Fenders.
I have a Squire Classic Vibe Tele & it’s amazing! People have done blindfold comparisons online with custom shop Fenders & Classic Vibe squires & they can’t tell the difference!
Yes. Those are amazing guitars. I wish I had one.
Kennis Russell I just got one a little over a month ago, the Squier CV Custom Tele 60s. It is indeed a very nice guitar. Super light, too. I did replace the nut with a GraphTec nut, but, other than that, definitely no complaints.
Yeah the Squier Classic Vibes are so much better than most ( bone nut, no fret sprout, etc) MIMs but if somebody put a fender logo on it then it is still fake. much like if somebody took a MIM Fender and put a squier logo on it instead then that would be a fake squier guitar....not that anybody would do that. i would be pissed if i bought what i thought was a classic vibe squier but it turned out to be a MIM Fender I would be pissed.
Me too! But so what? Who is arguing? How is this relevant? Did you spend $1500 or $2500 on it thinking you were getting a USA Fender only to get it home and realize the it was a Classic Vibe with a fake logo put on it? Guessing not. Kennis has never said Squiers can't be good guitars, only that if someone slaps on a Fender logo and sells it as a Fender, it's a fake.
@@ransombaggins9301 Dude never said anyone was arguing. Just mentioned in passing that Squier CVs are quality. Relax.
That's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back, watch it back Kennis, you gibber on through the video without actually explaining what you mean. You could have done it in 2 minutes
I will say that early 80's Japanese Squiers with the JV and SQ serial numbers are very nice instruments. I love my SQ P-bass and Telecaster. A pickup swap and a refret to 6105s made the Tele perfect. Not that there was anything wrong with the existing fretwork, I just prefer bigger frets over tiny vintage ones.
I hav a starcaster , changed the hardware . New loaded pickguard . Not bad at all .
I agree. That’s not a bad guitar.
I’ve got one that plays amazing. New pickups, and it sounds better than my buddy’s stock MIM Strat.
Right on Tom. There's nothing wrong at all with that. If your happy with it that's all that matters
I keep a lookout for them - cheap for a modding platform, and it has the70s head shape that I like
I have one and am not so lucky. Mines dreadful I even put new pickups and tuners and it just simply sucks. It's a shame
I love the Mexican strats. Its pretty much the same guitar as the American standard but half the price. Not for a collector or a seller but if you just want to play it, they are hard to beat
Hi there, great video! Since the topic of the video is about Squier branded instruments, there are some interesting facts about it: of course, those of us hip to fender history are aware of the Japanese squiers of the eighties. These guitars and basses are now almost as coveted as the Japanese Fender branded instruments, due to the excellent build quality (and I believe they were also produced on the same assembly lines at times). There’s also the strange case of Korean made Fender instruments and Mexican made Squier instruments, as well as the Fender branded instruments with Fender decals on the headstocks that were marketed in the “Squier series”.
By the by, I would like to mention that I own a couple of Squier instruments, both of which I’ve completely replaced every part save for the body and neck, and have put the fender decal on the front of the headstock. Essentially, these instruments are now almost completely custom to my taste for studio and live performance. Likewise, I built a bass with a Squier body and an MIM fender neck that I dearly love. HOWEVER, even though I’ve put the fender decals on, I have kept the Squier serial numbers. If ever I sell these instruments (which to be honest I doubt I will, though that’s regardless to the main point), I will put them up for sale as squiers with heavy modification. It doesn’t matter that I put custom shop pickups in them, high end electronics, and really nice hardware, they’re still Squier made instruments at their core. Exception of course would be the partscaster I did with the Squier body and fender neck, because that does have a fender neck with a fender serial on it.
Fully understand what you say. It’s a quality thing. But trying to pass off a Squier as a fender to sell is a fake operation.
Side note Ron Thorn the principal master builder at Fender's custom shop mentioned in an interview recently that his #1 guitar is an 80's MIJ Squier. :)
he ........... does not know that is fender is a company name, squire in one of its models...dee.....deee...deee...........see models USA. mim. mij , squire , starcaster , strat , hwy , tx , affinity , standard , tele , jackson, pc1, others..........
What drives me nuts is that when you search fender on Reverb or EBay 85% of the results are Squier. Fender did make a Squier series Stratocaster in the mid 90’s MIM, I had one and it was junk compared to the used regular MIM Stratocaster from the year before in my house.
ikwym
i usually go
low to high price search now
and eventually around page 25
the squirrel guitars Squier Strats
are not filling every position on the search .
Great video man. I have a lefty fender player series Strat amazing guitar. I don’t play bass but that 1971 fender component bass is amazing. 🤟😎
This is what I’m going to say if it plays and sounds good I don’t care about the brand only thing some people pay for is a little printed sticker on a headstock sometimes. So I don’t care what it is. As long as it’s a great instrument you should use it.
The problem is that people take Squire guitars and try to sell them for the price of a legit Fender instrument
THIS!!!!!
William Charles Schneider Squier
i have a squier guitar, already upgraded the whole guitar part. when I play the fender player series guitar, it sounds less good compared to the upgraded squier guitar.
I can't believe people could not figure out what you were saying in your first video and having to explain to them like they were five.
One of my favorite strats ever is the recent black Squier Bullet that has the HSS configuration and the sparkle pickguard. The neck on that thing played amazingly well. Sadly, the electronics aren't great, but it's a REALLY cheap instrument that looks more impressive at first glance than many Fenders. It just has that look that I love. You could get one new for 130 bucks (might still be able to) but I think I got mine used for like 70 or 80. I left it with a teacher since he didn't have one in his classroom studio. However, I'd play one of those things in full stadiums with no guilt. It didn't sound as good as many guitars, but it felt amazing to play and looked great. I've played a few MiM Strats that actually felt worse to play and (to be fair due to having only single coils) sounded worse for what I play. On the other hand, the best strat I've ever played was a Mexican Strat with a Carvin pickup in the bridge. In conclusion, I don't know what my point was but guitars are cool.
I purchased a Squier Candy Apple Red body, doesn't have a assembly number, no neck plate, pickguard or electronics. I am rebuilding it as a Super Squier with Seymour Duncan Distortion HSS pickups, Babicz Bridge and Warmoth maple /maple neck with Fender locking tuners.
When I bought the body, it was advertised as Squier Classic Vibe 70s, how would I know?
After watching the video, I understand what you meant. People are ripping others off by saying a Squier is a Fender, and that's not cool. I agree. And I did learn a lot from the video.
But at the expense of kicking the hornet's nest (I know many in the comments will disagree), I see where there's confusion. The "Squier by Fender" part *is* kinda open to interpretation. Because without knowing what you explained, one can look at it and think, "Are they the same? Is one a subsect if the other? They seem related." It threw me for a loop myself, so I can understand someone looking at that logo and thinking it's a Fender.
You're still 100% right that Squier and Fender are different, but I'm saying that I can't blame anyone for missing that.
I love my starcaster.modded it with a tusq nut, I lock the strings at the tuners and put a set of roller saddles and a 12 $ chinese pickup and its awesome. I'm not paying for a grand for a brand name. Besides, the tone is in your fingers and amp
That's just the kind of upgrades I've done on my squiers that I had. Not difficult but the results are great.
There's something about your videos that are better than most. Your easy to listen to. My brother set the headstock of my Clapton on fire so I had to replace the decals. Now people think its fake.
Your brother sounds hilarious.
The 2016 "Squier" *Skullcaster* Haruna Ono (Scandal) Signature model is labeled a Squier® but technically it .is a Fender. That specific run of 300 units are pretty much all Fender parts specs. The first run in 2014 were made to be beginner guitars. The 2nd run though the build was completely changed with different paint, shielding bridge pickups etc. at the request of the artist.
Having worked with the band at the time *Haru* wanted the guitar to be closer to what she actually plays. The design was changed. A compromise was made To keep it in the same price range as the 2014s the company band branded case was deleted & the guitar sold by itself only. The only reason the 2016s had a Squier ® logo on the headstock was the band's sponsored contract said it had too. I
I have had many techs look at the guitar and 100% have said it is better quality than an Ameican made Tele. There are exceptions to the rule. I know this is a rare case but sometimes labels aren't what they mean.
Looking at one on eBay I see it has an ICS prefix on the serial number which means Indonesian Cort Squier. That is a Cor-tek built guitar.
@@madmat2001 ...for fender company
he ........... does not know that is fender company name, squire in one of its models...dee.....deee...deee...........see models USA. mim. mij , squire , starcaster , strat , hwy , tx , affinity , standard , tele , jackson, pc1, others..........
Bought an Epiphone LP Special II, 20 years ago 2 months in electronics went haywire took to shop where I purchased it tech got into the display where the Gibson parts were 4 hours later my Epi had Original Gibson Les Paul pick-ups and toggle switch. So is it Epi or Gibson now?
Good point about the fact that reproductions ('parts-casters', etc) will eventually make it in to the used or secondary market, where prospective buyers might believe are they purchasing a genuine product.
How do they remove a logo without damaging the wood and how do you get a Fender logo and put it on the wood?
jacking up the price of an instrument by changing a cheap name for a high dollar logo and selling for more $ is called theft.
It's called fraud😎
I worked for them. Fender is the parent company of Squire. Saying it is not a Fender is the equivalent to saying a Corvette is not a Chevy. There also was several Fender logo strats made that said Fender Stratocaster and had Squire series in a small logo at the end of the headstock
Chad Emmert : I agree.. why did you leave? I’d love to work for fender
I have a Fender MIJ Stratocaster and a Squier CV Starcaster. Love them both!
he ........... does not know that is fender company name, squire in one of its models...dee.....deee...deee...........see models USA. mim. mij , squire , starcaster , strat , hwy , tx , affinity , standard , tele , jackson, pc1, others..........
I have a 2020 Squier Tele Affinity HH ltd edition made in Indonesia. Which means it's actually a Cort Made Guitar. Cort is one of the biggest guitar makers in the world and makes guitars for many brands including Squier by Fender ,Ibanez etc.... They make quality instruments. Technicaly an Indonesian, Korean, Chinese Squier is not a Fender, But made for and backed by Fender. Personally as much as i think I want a true Fender Telecaster, I don't see the point when i can own a great guitar for a 1/4 of the price.
I have that exact bass. I hate the pickups. I also changed out all the chrome with black hardware and added a Mighty Mite fretless neck. I'm going to change the pickups and see what happens.
How did happened when they put Squires logo on the headstock because they had the Fender serial number. It supposingly happened when Fender came out with the HSS HT with the Rosewood Fretboard because it happened to me when I traded a Ibanez acoustic electric thinline guitar made in 1992. The salesman at Sam Ash said he had a Squires Bullet that had been in the backroom for two years and I only paid 35 dollars difference. A little bit later I had a friend who had been playing the guitar for 40 years was going to put new strings on it had never seen a HSS HT Squires before and he was looking it over happened to look at the serial number and it was a first of the American Standard series. What made him notice was the Headstock was a Fender. For a hobby he worked on used Fender guitars for a friend sold the once a month at a flea market that had one Saturday a month just for people to buy, sell, and trade guitars. I had it for 4 years before it got stolen.
That '71 is nice! The pickups put it being made in' 71 in your other vid about this bass.
Thanks for doing these vids, Kennis! New players like me can really learn a lot from them 👍
Hello. Congratulations on the channel. I don't agree with the argument regarding the value of guitars made in the USA or in Mexico. For example here in Europe a Fender Stratocaster USA standart costs about 1400 dollars and a Mexican standart costs 600 dollars. In the used market, one made in the USA costs between 800/900 dollars and a Mexican made an average of 420/470 dollars.
In my reality a made in the USA loses more value, however being realistic the Fender made in the USA have more quality, but knowing from Fender's own information the factory in mexico has excellent quality, what makes them cheaper is the fact that the labor is cheaper and some pieces of hardware and the finish on paint job.
The term "fake guitar" is so dumb.
A guitar is still a guitar.
*"Wait a minute... This guitar was a trumpet all along!"*
Incorrect. This was a trombone. Its all in the details.
It's actually a drumkit
That was clearly explained..I don't know what all the confusion was about regarding to the comments that were made by some people.
I used to play a Stock Squier Bullet Stratocaster with a Fender Logo. Everybody thought it was a Fender Stratocaster.
I like the gold squier logo on my 2004 squier standard strat, and it's an amazing playing guitar made out of the Cort factory in Indonesia. I'm proud to play my squier. I don't have a problem though with someone putting a Fender logo on a squier as long as they make it known that is what they are doing and don't try and sell it as a fake. The second you start erasing serial numbers and putting fake Fender serial numbers on squiers then I have problem. I have a friend who put a Fender logo on a squier tele he owned, but he kept the squier serial number and even wood burned fake in the back of the headstock to prevent someone trying to sell it as Fender before he sold it.
So you tell me, if I build my own guitar and I buy a fender neck from fender and it says fender on it, is that a fake? You make no sense.
I think I said the opposite. Like my fender bass in the video. Fender replacement neck and body make it a fender.
Well if the body is NOT Fender made, and the pickups and other parts are NOT made by Fender than it is disingenous to pass it off as Fender. It is a "parts guitar" or "custom build parts guitar". The neck is legit, but just the neck, not the whole guitar. The thing is people use the Fender logo to appraise value to guitars thay dont have that value. If i have a chinese made strat rip off, and just change the neck to make it "a fender" i would still be ripping off someone by just passing it off as a Fender, or charging that person 600 dollars which is what the cheapest price for a new MIM Fender.
I have seen videos of people modifying Starcasters and they sound awesome with good pickups and hardware
Sometimes people replace the necks with legit Fender necks and then you have technically a Fake Fender but you didn't do that on purpose, you just liked a different neck and had it replaced, the logo comes with it.
Tbh though if you replace the hardware and the neck they're pretty much indistinguishable, even in cost because it would cost you enough to do those mods that it would be like buying a MIM Fender instead of a Squier
Pretty sad Kennis listening to you read those comments and then read some of the comments down below this video. People just don't get it. When you have to go back spend 20 minutes trying to explain a previous video that was easy to understand, in the first place. I can't grasp how you are getting those comments about Squire being fake? Wasn't the point of the video at all, it was about how people take Squire guitars and screw people out of money by putting Fender decals and logos on it like a genuine Fender Stratocaster. The phrase "shake people till their teeth rattle" comes to mind.
Damn,..a 1971 jazz bass body loaded with the original 71 pups??!!
For only _125 bucks!!!!_
That’s a SCORE dude 👍🏻
I know. Once in a lifetime find.
In the early 80’s Squires were outstripping demand, to the point where they were rebadging Fenders as Squires!, therefore Squire is Fender and vise-versa.
Wouldnt this be in the same vein as calling it a fender gretch, fender Jackson or fender squire? Each is it's own entity but owned by fender, yea?
Good point.
Mighty Mite (or Warmoth) necks are not licensed by Fender. What is licensed is the shape of the headstock. This isn’t a comment on the quality, just the business arrangement.
Kennis, you need to have a look on the FENDER website where it clearly shows their range of Squier Strats ...They ARE Fenders !
So why do they brand it Squier?
I have a 1994 "black label" squire. It says fender large, squire series small, mim. From what I've it's a real american fender, not a squire, just with cheap electronics and pick ups. Is this true? Thanks.
I have the same Strat (MIM from '94). That thing is solid.
There are loads of beginners out there, and many more unscrupulous people. A video pointing out that loads of people are out there to rip you off and explaining that in simple terms is good for them. If you you don't need that advice, don't watch the video. With the rise of Facebook marketplace, counterfeiting is on the up. If you bother to watch the video, Ken is trying to protect consumers and has no problem with any guitar that you may choose to play, or how it's labelled. Just don't sell it as a legit Fender if it's not.
we bought a jimmy vaughn strat,we thought was new back around 2006 or so,a beautiful guitar,an i put a lil 59 in bridge an much later took the tex mex sticker off,but eventually the frets wore pretty fast,as so did a 91 american standard i once had,anyway, paint started coming off this guitar, an found out later it was a first year 1996,an heard of one or two more jimmy vaughn strats with paint coming off around near where neck joins, frets are low now,it plays an sounds great,we paid about 630.00 cash at firehouse musick for it,an i swear we thought it was new,been played all over atlanta an church etc for years an still played with humbucker i put in an tex mex pickups..i honestly believe my first year 50,s classic vibe strat 50,s is better quality, no clue really..but paint coming off a signature guitar sux,an frets not lasting long at all sux too,a great spanky twangy sound,an lil 59 sounds great..but american strats are too high priced,an some suck..i bought a squire classic vibe 50,s for 70 bucks at a pawn shop,i seen vintage tuners an a lotta shiny lacquer,an gold in the squire logo,an i knew someone had screwed up,an a guy ran the numbers on it,an came back as a 2008 classic vibe 50,s an is very nice,a 380.00 guitar for 70 bucks,yep someone screwed up,an just bought a classic 50,s daphne blue strat,mexican, pretty nice,but dang near too narrow for my huge hands,with 7.25 radius i think.....beautiful..i do not trust american guitars no more, ..1800.00 bucks for an american strat,made by mexicans in southern california..nope...
fender actually copied squire once..In 2004, squire produced a model called, 51. It is a guitar with a Stratocaster styled body ,a telecaster styled neck..It had a single coil at the neck, a humbucker at the bridge with coil tap..There were two knobs, one is the volume control, and the second knob is a 3-way pick up selector.. The guitar has no tone control. The guitar is called the 51 because the pick guard resembled the 1951 fender telecaster bass pick guard.
this is a six string electric guitar.. I believe they made them in 2004, 2005, 2006. They did not sell well, now they are a valuable collectors item and sell for much more than they listed for depending on condition.. fender actually copied this guitar , Sold it as a fender guitar,and called them the pawnshop models..
I own a few guitars. One is a Squier Stratocaster. Another is a Fender Telecaster. The Strat is a REAL Stratocaster, but it is not a real FENDER Stratocaster. The Tele is a REAL Telecaster, as would be a Squier, but the difference is that it's a real FENDER Telecaster. Both are good guitars, but the difference is that I could get about $400 - $500 for the Tele, but only about $100 for the Strat. If I put a Fender logo on the Strat, it would still be a real Strat, but it would be a fake Fender.
It's 2years ago I want to put my comment in the last month of 2022. Squire it's not a fake Fender guitar, it's a Squire yes it is not a Fender, a Squire is a Squire, a Fender is a Fender. Yes Squire made or designed by Fender but it's not a Fender guitar, back again Squire is Squire. But it's true if someone rub off the Squire logo and changed it to a Fender logo and claimed it's a Fender well it's fake because it's not a Fender, it's a Squire. From the beginning I knew what Russel want to discuss or talk about "There are some people take off Squire logo on the headstock and changed it to Fender logo and they said this is a Fender". That's it. CMIIW Fender and Squire are brands even though one of them made or produce a brand under the main brand well it's different thing and brands. Just think with logic "Why a brand made another brand that exactly the same but with low price?" -> this impossible there are must be a different thing or many things between those two brands, are they the same? Nooooo. Squire is a Fender? of course not. A Fender Electric guitar for example $4000 and a Squire only $600 is it logic? Lol. 😅🤣 I know what Russel talked about. Cheers....
CNC machines don't know what country they reside in. Cost of labor is the biggest factor in differing price ranges. There are good ones
and bad ones no matter where they are made. Check out Jack Pearson and the Indonesian Squire Strats he plays.
I bought a ten dollar affinity that someone had sanded the squire logo off and modded the cbs headstock into the classic,fooling no one, but at least it isn’t cbs; so I got a fender logo for it because it was $5.00 and the squire logo was nine bucks, again fooling no one; nobody is going to pay hundreds for it. Tens maybe. Plays and sounds just fine, btw.
I think Leo Fender was a shrewd Guy and would have patented body shape,headstock and even the name Strat don't know why he didn't as so many others have copied it
Sir, you got it all right, Squier is not a Fender, it only is owned and backed by Fender, made in Asia, not America, however yes I love Squier, they've come a long ways in the past 20 years, same goes with Epiphone, it's not a Gibson, only owned and made by Gibson in Asian factories in Asia, not America, and I love Epiphone also. Back in the 1990's I hated Epiphone, they were not like they are today, so both Epiphone and Squier have come a long ways, why do you think both Fender and Gibson went bankrupt 2 years ago, because they can't compete with the Asian market regarding building top notch instruments for a budget price, no more said, that also includes many other brands as well, Ibanez, Jackson owned by Fender and many more also, no more said, Robert from Canada!
squiers are licensed by fender,but outsourced and not made in fender owned factorys,fender only own the usa corona plant and half the mexican ensenada plant.fender japan,have also made by outsource factorys since early 80s,as fender have newver owned a factory in japan,and i dont think anyone would refer to a fender japan as a fake,as fender japan have produced some of the best fenders ever made
You know, a lot of people really put a lot of emphasis on the name on the headstock. It all falls under the same corporate umbrella. It is ALL Fender, they have a foreign produced low-budget brand and that's for sure but Fender owns it and makes revenue. If you want to find out if your guitar belongs to said parent company or not, make some direct copies of Squires, LTDs and Sterlings and start selling them. Squire, LTD and Sterling will not be on the letterhead of the cease and desist letter you most certainly will be getting. That legal warning will most definitely be sent from Fender, ESP and Ernie Ball inc. Selling a Squire as a Fender is not cool obviously, as Squire is Fender's budget brand. Unfortunately this happens quite a bit. Reminds me of the time a friend of mine purchased an Acura Integra Type R and later found out that it was an Acura Integra GS with Type R badging and an upgraded interior. It's funny when I think back on it but at the time is wasn't cool. However, it was still a Honda lol! BTW I really like that black 1971 Jazz with the replacement neck. I think the weirdness makes it cool. Me personally I'd leave the headstock blank because it tells a story. When people ask you if it's a Fender you can shake your head "no" and say "yes".
Well Squier guitars are basically cheap Fenders but that doesn't mean that Squier also is Fender. They produce basically licensed copies of the original. Yes it says Squier by Fender but at the back of the headstock it also says "Designed and backed by Fender" which just means they are using the designs that Fender provides and are allowed to do that, therefore are legitimate copies.
Well said.
@@kennisrussell Thank you
You are correct, these days Squier quality is often better than Fender and they are a much better deal too 😂
If you change the name on the head stock to Fender doesn't mean it's Fender. If you've upgraded a Squier (even with Fender USA parts) it's still a Squier not a Fender.
Sometimes Squiers are also faked. Because of their high price and desirability I have seen lesser Squier models labeled as JV made in Japan models. It isn't just guitars either, if money is to be made people sometimes do this with classic cars, paintings, autographs etc. The high end Squier models like the Classic Vibes are great on their own and I have proudly played them on stage. Squier has made some great guitars over the years, no need to change the decal on the headstock. Ask Jack Pearson of the Allman Brothers who proudly plays Squier guitars.
Those starcasters in the early 2000s were sold with a full fender logo.Where the starcaster name is used to be a full sized fender logo didn't have squier anywhere pawnshops were full of them. I remember a guy in the shop trying to tell me they were the equivalent of a mij....
them there silver starcaster are $1000 today on ebay...they are USA full sized.....with cheeper wood...
Appreciate you're honestly man!!!
Squier Classic vibes are like fenders people wiped the decal off of and put a squier decal on them
I find it amusing every time I see someone type ''squire'' instead of squier
I can tell with my eyes closed, Fender body's are a 1/16 of an inch thicker and the Fender is heavier, Squire's are not bad guitars Jack Pearson plays Squires all the time on stage, they have really stepped up their game.
Lets be clear, all guitar companies have "tiers", that is to say for example a Stratocaster for every price point. My SQUIER is not a Fender but it is a Stratocaster-ish guitar. Anyway SE models are not Paul Reed Smiths but they are low tier PRS guitars.
So many truths. So much BS. Great conversion. Chitty argument. It's all perspective and semantics. Changing one single tuning peg from a vintage Strat would, to some people mean it's not original Fender. And piecing together all original 'Fender' parts from various originals into one single piece could also be considered a fake. It's all perspective. The real truth is just that, say what the damn thing is and how it got modified. And in reality, you'll never really know with stamps, provenance and what your gut tells you. Some value the name, the look, the smell, the lie. Others value how it feels, plays and sounds. It's like trying to figure out somebody's favorite flavor of ice-cream. "The eye of the beholder" holds true. If you got raped by Leo in a law suit 40 years ago you'd burn a vintage 60's strat in a bon fire and enjoy it. It's a funky world we live in.
Russell, I dig Squire Bass Guitars as well. Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy
is famous for Playing them. I also
love my Squire Tele made in Indonesia, sometimes I can't believe just how great the action is
and she sounds Good. If you ever read this, could you consider Showcasing the Washburn Flying Eagle, I've got a Black 81 Eagle, and can't find any History or Information about this Killer Guitar.
Anyways Thank you for Posting this Beauty....Love your Vids 🎸💚
i understand you perfectly clear. i don’t know why people are confused haha.
i got a 2021 mexican fender player strat it cost me £680! you got a good deal for $200.
I'm so tired of the "I actually like my MIM Fender better than the MIAs" trope. MIMs can be great, but I've never played one that felt as good as an American-made one. Seems like a lot of coping to me. You see this same phenomenon a lot in the gun world, too.
Saying a squire Is a fender is like a Volkswagen touareg is a Porsche cayenne.
They're both part of the same company, and are built off the same platform but are made in different plants, and are different in quality and performance.
If you changed the badging on the VW to Porsche badges, it would be a fake Porsche cayenne.
Has anyone claimed a squier is a fender ever I have a fender strat anda squier 70’s Tele deluxe and love them equally but I don’t go around saying I own two fenders
Not entirely true. I have a 1997 MIJ and the neck says Fender Stratocaster and is has a small logo next to to it saying squier…very small.
i'm looking for Ron Lambert. if you see him can you send him my way?
I had a Squier body and built my dream Fender. My dream. Not gonna sell it. If I die and it ends up in someone else's hands and they try to pass it off as real then good luck explaining all the squier serial numbers i etched into the wood under the pickguard and the neck plate.
Well people might mistake a 70s cbs strat for a modded squier
I've got a partscaster that I built out of a plywood squire strat mini body and an after market neck that I tweaked, put all top notch electronics, custom shop pickups, hipshot staggered locking tuners, no string trees needed and it sounds and plays better than any guitar I have and I have American strats, Gibson Les Paul's, sg , schecter sustainiac, old Kramer, and a couple other that I built. I have a Korean epi les Paul that's better than the Gibsons. If you know what you're doing, you can pretty much make anything sound good unless it's just shot out. Some of the newer guitars being made are down right shiot and your paying for the name.
I know that music go round. Was by bizarre bizarre. South Houston.
7:45 That guitar clearly has a Fender logo on its headstock. It doesn't say " by Fender". Just "Fender" Its a real Fender then correct
People get more caught up in all the marketing nonsense than in the actual instrument. They're both great guitars. My squire standard is every bit as good as my fender standard. Most of the value is in all the hype.
Here is the easy difference, why Squier is Squier and why Fender is Fender. Squiers are made in Asian factories not owned by Fender to spec Fender provides to the contracted factories. Indonesia and China basically at this point. MIA and MIM Fenders are made in either Corona, CA or Ensenada Mexico in factories owned and operated by Fender. They own the building, they own the land, they own the CNC machines, etc. The paychecks of the employees working there all say 'Fender' on them. THAT is the difference. I'm not calling Squiers 'fake' either, but no, they are NOT Fender, by Fender, made in asia to spec by contracted factories, by employees who are NOT on Fender's payroll vs made in north america, by Fender employees in Fender factories.
That is the big difference. I am not knocking squier, I am not calling them fake... but no, they are NOT Fenders, and no, they are not 'just as good'. They are great bargain instruments for beginners though, and some of the high end ones are pretty nice... but they are not Fenders. And as pointed out, the most common guitar fake on earth is to take a Squier and try to pass it off as a Fender.
All in the fingers
Because it's a Squier that someone faked into a Fender.
Is this really hard for people to understand?
Apparently. Lol
Yes, yes it is man. Common sense isn't so common these days.
Still shaking my head that it was that hard for some to understand.
Ya, ask these people would they pay the same for a guitar with Squier on the headstock as they would for one with fender on it
"Fake" here means passing something off as something that it is not. This is usually done with the intent to defraud a buyer.
The intent of the video is to keep people from being taken.
Some people just dont understand.
If you ever come across an 80's Japanese Squire then buy it they are awesome and in most cases are better sounding/ built than comparative Fender guitars of that period
Some of the "lawsuit" Japanese guitars are excellent. I have a 1978 Hondo Les Paul that I bought new and still has at least one more fret dressing left in it. Can't say the same about my Gibbo double cut made in the 90s. It needs a complete re-fret. Probably played it a bit more, but still...
JV squires were the best fender like guitars of that period. The built quality was awesome. I have bought one new back then ( fist series) and still have it
I love how a lot of people type Squier as “Squire”
Lol I did that for a long time before I purchased a squier bullet with a shorter scale, and hardtail bridge mij and a squier standard telecaster..late eighties or early nineties..
That’s cause of autocorrect
It just the difference in the way its spelled in the U.S. over how its spelled in the U.k.. The proper company name is Squier but someone in the U.K. was taught to spell it Squire. Either way is proper in writing.
@@HoosierLine noone in Britain was taught to spell it that way.Its just a common mistake
@@HoosierLine I’ve lived in America my whole life and I spell it like “squire” also for some reason. It just seems right
"Fender" parts don't necessarily fit on a Squier. The specs and tolerances are slightly different.
I learned that trying to put fender pup covers on my squier
@@mykemech It depends on the Squier. But yes, big compatibility issues on some guitars.
Fender parts don't necessarily fit on a Fender either.
@@Subcat001 Actually the narrower spaced neck/middle pickup poles on cheaper Squiers are a better design than on a Fender and would arguably be an upgrade.
I can't believe you actually have to go in depth to explain what you meant. The lack of common sense humanity has baffles more each day....
I started playing say, 3 months ago, I want to get a real McCoy; hey presto!
It's a language barrier with people from other countries
A Squier is a SUBBRAND of Fender. It is made somewhere else; usually cheaper; with cheaper parts; and different specs. Fender just owns the overall company. So what he is saying is people are taking these cheaper made Squier's by fender and faking them to be true; more expensive Mexican and American made strats by faking the logo.
Alnico pick-ups are one of the big differences. I bought a $30 set of alnicos and soldered them into to my daughter's pick Squier. It sounds amazing now. Beautifully chimey.
Well done you got the point across in one paragraph rather than 20 minutes of this pointless video
freda cuneo The ‘Classic Vibe’ series often have nice alnico pickups. I’ve bought classic vibes/vintage modifieds with the intent/assumption I’d want to upgrade pickups, and after getting em home for a few days decided...naw, why bother if it sounds great to me? The overall quality of those indonesian squiers is a amazing. Its always impressed me how fender caters to every market, and how much value you get in each price bracket.
Yeah but that's not what the thumbnail and title of this video indicates.
Squier wasn't initially a budget brand. Some distributors when they first starting making guitars in Japan in the early 80's wanted a difference in branding. Those were super high quality and some even had USA parts.
Really, this had to be pointed out? Duh people, ofc they are not the same. If someone sells a Squier posing as a Fender, it is a FAKE Fender. If the logo needs to be altered to make it a “Fender”, that should tell you it is not the real deal.
These questions are dumb. They're more or less asking "why can't a fake be real?"
Because guitar players generally stupid idiots, that cant change a broken string let alone form a logical thought
jackassess don't know they're jackassess! 😂
It really couldn't be simpler. If the logo is 'Squire' it's not a Fender even though it says 'made by Fender"
I'm proud of my 95 squier. I know it's not as good compared to a mia strat, but to me it's good. Sounds good and feels really nice.
@marko i agree with you on the pricing. Although as of the last couple years, everything increased in pricing especially with fender and its subsidiaries. The 95 squier i have my parents bought when quality was still decent on squiers. Now i dont buy squiers new. I've only bought used. I had a squier 2 end of run. I got it for $120. So used is the way to go on squiers.
There's a lot you can do with a Squier to make it play comfortably and sound just as good as a Fender.
@@caerparavel Yeah and it's called practice until you can actually play the guitar. It doesn't matter what is on the headstock or the price. People give up trying to learn the electric guitar because they think that buying an expensive guitar is going to make them a better player that is stupid and it ain't going to happen if you don't dedicate the time to learn.
Squier isn't made by fender at all, they are designed by fender! My Squier is made by Cortek in Indonesia, its a nice guitar but it isn't made by fender!
There's some china built Fenders, are they Fenders or not? I think they are.
Squier is in the Fender family of products regardless of which factory Fender has subcontracted to build the product to their specs.
Yup and I've never had a bad Cort but, I've had a bad Fender😎
@@testtube1195 chinese built Fenders, I've missed that, are you sure?
@@TheMikeharris7 in the same way that Ferrari are owned by FIAT....but I'd never say my FIAT 500 was a Fezza😎
I hate when people sell a "Fender Squier" guitar online, it's not a fender
It really is fender but some parts are lower quality fender makes them and even though it's a squire by fender it's still a fender.
I know, man. It drives me nuts. To me, I always feel like theyre trying to fool someone who doesnt know their stuff and thinks its a real Fender.
seriously one of my biggest pet peeves. You wouldn't sell a Smart Car as a BMW, even though it's the same company. That would be fraud, unfortunately in the Squier/Fender case it's more of a matter of ignorance than malice.
Its a Fender
Why do you hate it? They just want you to find it, looking for a Fender.
9:40 Jeff healey has played live a japanese squier stratocaster on a stage.
Indigo David Pearson regularly plays a Bullet.
A BULLET!
i've always almost gotten off on the fact i'll play an early Squire Silver Series Tele on stage, (rarely, as i'm a bassist) but squire have done some amazing stuff over the years, this one plays simply incredibly, though it's had 30 years to get this way lol but i still love the shock when other players pick up my "Squire" only to see how it plays...
however, even though it is essentially a fender, strait off the fender Japan production line, with a top load bridge being the only deviation from a 91 fender japan tele, if i were to change the headstock over to a fender logo, it'd 100% be a fake fender, no questios asked...
I have a Squire Affinity Tele. I slapped in a set of used MIM pickups and wow what a difference. Squires are a good platform for mods.
Fender is magical, the guitar world has twisted knickers over their instruments, amateurs and pros alike. However, i have never heard a voice as sweet as an American made Fender Stratocaster and its relatives. I do however want a guitar from every quality maker because i have listened to their songs and have been made to realize that quality in craftsmanship is a must but the differences in sound is what we chase. May the chase continue.
Chevrolet and Cadillac, same company. Can you put a caddy logo on a Chevy? Same thing
yes you can. wont make it a Chevy but yes you can.
My brother's wife's previous husband (who passed away) had a starcaster that was decked out really nice, she let me have it and an ibanez pf5 acoustic.
Granted, it's no fender, but it still beats the super cheap brands like crescent.
Hey, VW owns Rolls Royce, so all those Beetles with those phony Rolls grilles on them are real Rolls Royces by these people's criteria.
No, BMW owns Rolls Royce.....VW owns Bentley....but anyway....😋
@@darrenharriss8972 You got the point :P But yeah, you could put a Porsche body kit on top of a universal VW undercarriage used for a Beetle (ps. I had a colleague that modded his Beetle that way. Looked awesome! Sounded absolutely f*king horrific with the original VW engine)
@@forkless There used to be companies that advertised in car magazines in the 60's that offered exactly that same idea in a kit. You could buy the kit, strip your bug and a few days later have a whole new car. Still felt, sound and drive like a beetle, but it looked better.
My favorites were the new hoods and things you could get to turn your bug into a Rolls Royce. Absolutely wonderful, imaginative stuff.