"I claimed this planet in the name of the Terran Dominion. I'm not gonna lose it" We did it, we made it to the halfway point of the campaign Unlike Domination, yeah this one is intended to be living hell. Gotta claw for every inch of ground and make sure Warfield never takes it back. Aberration: Damage buffed from 20 (40 vs armored) to 30 (45 vs armored) Armor reduced 2 -> 1 Hp reduced 275 -> 250 The slappy bois get to slap a lot harder. It may not sound like that much, but it makes them take 1 fewer hit to kill nearly every unit. (They can kill marines in 2 hits instead of 3, marauders/firebats in 3 hits instead of 4, almost any mech unit in 3-4 hits, etc.) They feel surprisingly good, despite their low range. (I also made them benefit the correct amount from weapon upgrades, which makes them scale better than usual). Old Soldiers: (The Showdown vs Warfield) 1. Warfield attempts to retake bases and fortify areas 2. Less patches at gold base 3. Less minerals at expansions and a new expansion added at low ground of warfields main compound. 4. Bonuses remove cellular reactors and psi disruptors from Dominion 1, 2, 3 were Grant's designs. I thought it was genius to have Warfield lose the 2 highest tiers of zerg research when you destroy his zerg research facilities. (Even if cellular reactor isn't the most noticeable thing). Very happy with that bonus objective. I didn't change the nukes at all, which I'm sure there are some people surprised at, but their siege-line disruption is much more impactful with the much slower pace of the mission. I also didn't really buff Warfield's tactical ops center (iirc I think it has some more hp but otherwise unchanged). Warfield is the boss, not just his cannon at the end.
Had an idea for a potential buff to Swarm Hosts. Burrow by default, its upgrade could be changed to: Faster burrowing/unburrowing and a smaller radius (both burrowed and unborrwed, inner radius untouched). Makes them more mobile and allows more to fit in a smaller area (less pathing to find areas to burrow as well).
Nice mission. After seeing the swarm host at play here it is kinda trashy. The burrow by default + auto release swarm to selected area for ladder wasn't considered to consolidate units like the rest of your changes? (Muta, hydra, zergling)
Oh Rhyme for bug fixing... Rebuilt command centers are not getting upgraded to orbital or planetary... Grant didn't bust it when it "went back" to a planetary afaik because the pickups were still there after he took it down and I doubt SCVs can build over minerals.
@@NathanTheDwarvenShark I was thinking about it throughout the mission, swarm hosts are really bad for their costs, so I think the best way to compensate is to give them all three of their evo chamber upgrades. Maybe make the new upgrades- -Increase swarm host life or armor, just make them less likely to drop dead as soon as an enemy sees them. -Give them a base attack, for when they're unburrowed, or just something to do while they're getting into possition -Increase locust attack speed or something, maybe increase the time they stick around for, idk Idk if that's overtuned but it feels right for how much they cost, and how much of a burden they can be to use normally. And I certainly don't think Rhyme should go to the effort
Hey guys, it's another super long vod that took forever to upload! Just like Domination I am going to sleep so I will fix however UA-cam ruins the Ad experience tomorrow. Sorry about that, I wasn't free to record until late this evening so I was a bit stuck! MISSION ROCKED THOUGH!
Thanks @GiantGrantGamesArchives for the awesome series, and thanks rhyme for mod! Its always super fun and entertaining when youre having fun grant. Love the content
It was pretty painful to watch. That 1 extra armor might not seem much, but considering there were so many marines, it would help out so much. Making each wave of locust live just a bit longer and cause more damage, possibly destroying some key building much faster.
@@sasaasasasa9883 I mean, isn't that's typical SC2 campaign design on higher difficulties? Enemies will have superior upgrades until you reach the final stretch and can get 3-3 yourself.
If Swarm hosts need a buff according to Rhyme, perhaps have the locusts path through your own units instead of getting blocked and taking queens on walkies.
@@charliemallonee2792 He mentioned he didn't want to buff them because he doesn't think people want to use Swarm Hosts as a main army unit. He thinks they're too boring to use in every mission, so he intentionally left them to have this one specific purpose and to be trash at everything else.
I'd be inclined to give them burrow by default, aside from it being basically required to stop locusts from being path blocked by their hosts, it always struck me as silly that un-upgraded campaign hosts are arguably worse than multiplayer hosts. Especially as the nature of single player makes Swarm Hosts Inherently worse by design. Their main role is to whittle down an opponent through attrition, where indecisive engagements will mostly only cost you free units, leaving you ahead in resources. However in single player, the AI cannon be killed through attrition because they get everything for free. They are still ok when you run out of resources or tanking for more valuable units, but they still lose a lot of their value.
honestly, they just need more activation range. the locusts can have the same timed life, therefore the same theoretical range, but the swarm host needs to launch them at enemies that are further away
One of the things I was never really sure about was whether Warfield was fighting for valerian still, for arcturus or just generally for the dominion. Edit: looks like he's just fighting for the dominion... I'm honestly surprised that negotiation was never attempted by kerrigan. She just defaults to murder and never even tries diplomacy. IMO this campaign would have been better if she'd at least tried to make peaceful resolutions on Kaldir and Char and protoss / Warfield just straight up reject her. Would have given her a distinctly different identity to original QoB.
I do really agree - especially with Kaldir. I think there are a lot of subtle lore implications that the Protoss came to Kaldir in the aftermath of Wings of Liberty to capture / experiment on Zerg (mostly in Shoot the Messenger), and it would be fascinating to see Kerrigan try to negotiate for peace in Harvest of Screams, the Protoss outright reject her (because they are the ZERG - you can't negotiate with a group of mindless insects - and because of the Queen of Blade's betrayal of Fenix); and then you can have Kerrigan outraged when she discovers the Protoss were experimenting on Zerg - because Kerrigan would have a respect for the Zerg as creatures, as entities (especially with the revelations on Zerus) whereas the Protoss think of them as more of a disease, and it can lead into some really fun moral dilemmas. But they never explore it, so it's all wasted. With Warfield, Kerrigan does give an ultimatum of surrender ("Leave now or I'll kill you all") - but never any chance at genuine negotiations. I would love to see a talk or some form of proper scene between Warfield and Kerrigan before she kills him. Perhaps at the start of Fire in the Sky? It would be cool to see Kerrigan and Warfield, on either side of the Bone Trench...
How do you think it should look? Oi hello! I am commanding a Zerg army. Yeah, those creatures that destroyed Aiur and terrorised your colonies! Yeah, yeah! Me! The person that betrayed your trust couple of times already! Wanna negotiate with me? Why would she do it if her offer will be rejected anyways? And she knows it. That's why she does not even try. Cause there is no point in trying. That's not a scriptwriter's fault. That's a way to show that she is smart enough to not try and do something that has no chances of success.
Heck, the original Brood War Kerrigan did negotiate, a lot even. She was one of like a dozen cerebrates, and she needed help from Mengsk, from Raynor and from Fenix to destroy another, human controlled Overmind. It was a different kind of story, more 90s in a way and less "hero does the thing all on his own".
@@lagg1e On the other hand look at what happened to all the people who negotiated with Kerrigan. Half the people who made deals with her lived to regret it, and the other half got killed. At this point everyone in the Koprulu sector has probably adopted a shoot first, shoot some more, and autopsy whatever is left for answers stance toward Kerrigan.
@@rvtvrainbowviral5973 I was under the I pressing that after being purified by the artifact she was to all intents and purposes a different person. Much like she had a huge personality shift after her initial infestation compared to the person she was before. I get what you're saying - I agree that the protoss and terrans she encounters wouldn't see any difference and would be hostile because of their history with her - just seems a shame that no real attempt is made as a way to emphasise her personality change. Broodwar Kerrigan was able to be crafty due to no-one really knowing how killing the overmind had affected her. But by the end of bw it was clear there was no good in her. She doesn't have to be super friendly with them - just state she's not the person she was and she's not looking for a fight.
Warfield is terrifying, actually. I'm commenting half way through the vid because this has already been INCREDIBLE. It's hard as all hell but in a way that just feels cool! Like, legit strategies and walls, and the fact that the research facilities contain WoL zerg research options is a fantastic touch! Also Warfield taking two more minutes than *accidentally turbobuffed Zagara* just feels appropriate. Absolutely insane mission, I love it.
"Another missile is incoming!!" Kerrigan, screaming: "HOW MANY OF THOSE THINGS DO YOU F$&@*ING HAVE?!?!" Warfield: "Get another Gorgon into the fight."
The 30 Medivacs all around Warfield's HQ at the end gave me a good chuckle. They were really trying to ram themselves in there! Good job with the mission Rhyme and Grant. It truly feels like a big fortified entrenchment.
I feel like the new Impalers were supposed to be used here to help crack through the defenses, especially since the new Lurker is anti-armor now. Impaler + Swarm Host would be a phenomenal combination.
I've always felt Warfield was one of the more underrated characters, even as a character literally named Warfield, he had more emotional growth as a character than most anyone else in the series. Combine that with what Grant pointed out in his character tier list, he did the impossible, he took and held Char, so fighting his fortress should feel like a devastating battle. This is the canon Char storyline. I salute you Rhyme for fixing Blizzards narrative mistake
These kinds of missions are why I fell in love with this channel. I wont lie, recently I have been kind of bored watching these campaigns where there isn't really a visible struggle (im sure there actually is). Grant starts mission, learns the flow and wins was what I expected out of most videos. Here there was a struggle, tactical challenges, drawbacks, defeats, but always with that thin sliver of hope and I loved it. Really looking forward to the the Reckoning.
Warfield's true potential is the scariest thing I've ever seen. Really makes him feel like a master tactician and highly decorated general, rather than a 15 minute A move mission.
Oh christ here we goooooOOOOOO Edit: Man, that was INSANE. Definitely deserved to be that long of a mission, and absolute banger call on the Swarm Hosts. The siege holdout where you run out of resources is definitely the intent so the fact that they can just make infinite locusts helps dramatically. I wish their burrow trait was automatic so you could get the air and ground upgrade, but that'd just be calling a plague on Warfield and would probably end faster than intended. Nice job!
I think another upgrade would have benefitted the hosts more, like faster spawn, but I haven't finished the mission. And yes. Burrow should be available by default.
I think Burrow should be the default ability, but I don't think it would be bad if they could still be seen while burrowed. I mean, look at them - how is there any way they're hidden from the enemy while simultaneously sticking out of the ground and spewing out Locust eggs? Just allowing your units to path over them is enough to massively buff them over non-burrow Swarm Hosts.
Last video was 23 minutes long: Ow thank goodness it's not near impossible anymore Sees net video another 2 hour long marathon: Ow no. The mad lad has done it again.
@@azraelangelusmortis2427It doesn’t, really. You need to remember that swarm hosts are a very different unit than the rest of Zerg: slow, methodical, value over time. It’s a matter of getting them in the right place and wearing down the enemy. Warfield’s main gate is heavily fortified, and finding the right angle took a few tries, but it’s all a slow steady push.
@@DanStaal Having a mission that requires extremely cost-efficient engagements over a long time against terrifying static D is exactly what the Swarm Hosts were designed to be good for, so I really like that Rhyme's giving it a real try to find a mission where the muffin bois shine
Faster burrowing/unburrowing and a smaller radius comes to my mind. Makes them more mobile and allows more to fit in a smaller area (less pathing to find areas to burrow)
How about more locust per spawn, but slower spawn speed. Say... instead of 2 every 15 seconds, it's 4 every 22. All-in-all more locusts per hour, but a much larger window where there are 0 of them that could serve as a buffer for the hosts
I think some of these "ooops I made it too hard" should form the core of a "Heart of the Swarm, sadomasochist edition." It's sadomasochism because you either have to enjoy being punished (masochist), or enjoy inflicting pain on those who "should" win (sadism) even if you have to cheat to do it.
I love the bonus objective weakening the opponent. What a siege to end Char, this is all i had hope for in Char's 3 missions. Seeing Grant fight up that ramp for an hour made me miss a long range high damage anti building sniper unit, if only we had those 8)
I love watching a singular queen live for like an hour, just struggling to keep her fellow bugs alive constantly at 0 energy. It's relatable. Great video
Wouldn't Mutalisks be a better option here as a compliment to the swarm hosts? I mean, what killed you was the huge ground siege firepower on small checkpoints which was shredding you, you also had a copious amount of gas... But congratulations, that was insane... Also, I think this mission with the Impaler would be more manageable, if only because you will actually have a proper siege unit!
I think the Thors here have the Anti-Muta guns and the number of Ravens/Science Vessels means that Irradiate/Seeker Missile would be hell on Grant. Grant admits that he's not the best at splitting so that would be pretty bad.
Since burrow is a bit necessary for Swarm Hosts to be viable in most cases, what if they were given burrow by default and that option in the Evolution Chamber was replaced with an ability that allowed them to spawn locusts without having to burrow? This way you could have Swarm Hosts be part of the back line of your main army without having to spend the APM on burrowing/unburrowing. If this is too powerful, the lifespan of locusts could be reduced as a consequence.
except that when he went lurkers he got schwacked. Honestly I don’t see how you’d have the money to break this base the normal way. I guess maybe aberrations?
@@misspurdy27288 if Grant had actually attacked the scvs repairing the Planetary and brought some high ground vision to the siege up a ramp, i think hed have cleared this way earlier.
Differences between base Brutal and Nightmare are sort of obvious, but I am very curious what the differences of the last few missions are compared to if you came to Char first, since you mentioned whatever planet you don't go to get powered up.
At this point, I’m starting to get excited every time a video is late because that probably means it took longer to record/upload than expected, aka more video for us
I kinda love the mental image at the very end there of a weakened and exhausted swarm challenging Warfield's equally exhausted stronghold and only winning through the evolutions gained on Zerus through the Swarm Host.
My favorite part of this was the small army of Medivac sitting around Warfield's base at the end. Dude had like 200 supply of Medivacs sitting there doing nothing. But god that was awesome. Warfield felt competent, the attacks kept coming and coming to grind you down, nuke placement was decent. And that Planetary Fortress of DOOM sitting in just the right spot to fuck you over.
Well, it's a gameplay mechanic more of a lore mechanic. She deep tunnels back to base to heal when critically wounded and gameplay-wise she always will, but realistically, each time could actually kill her.
"Psi slower-downer" - Grant, forgetting the name of the psi disruptor which shares its name with a critical plot device from Starcraft: Brood War (tho tbf this one shares exactly zero other similarities aside from its name, so I can't fault him too much)
I think one of the best things about this series is how happy grant is at the end and how much fun he had during the whole thing. Just a mans that enjoys strategy games enjoying another mans hrad work to make a fun experience.
For Swarm host buffs I think there are a few things that could be done. For starters, the burrow needs to be default similarly to the roach's burrow move. As for the mutations, Rapid incubation could remain the same or just have a few extra % added but that's not really needed. Pressurized glands should be a range buff maybe a simple +1 to or +2 but nor more than that. The final mutation to replace the burrow could then be extra locust spawns. The evolutions could do with some fiddling. Carrions should be able to attack air and ground by default otherwise they can remain the same. The creeper could also spread creep while rooted so they can always be teleporting forwards in a slow push and maybe have more tanky locusts. If carrions locusts gain attack at the cost of health creepers should either have more health, longer duration, or more armor. Just some ideas to hopefully benefit my favorite unit in the zerg roster.
I like how I got to the part where you were starting to push up the last ramp and was like "OK he's almost done" then I checked and there was OVER AN HOUR OF VIDEO LEFT. Full-power Warfield did NOT disappoint.
That battle of attrition in the end is incredible entertaining to watch! Every building down is huge win and every lucky attack wave can bring defeat to the Grant
May be give burrow for swarm host by default and make upgrades like "faster locust spawns(with\or 50% more locust); locust with air\ground attack; faster locust movement speed(or alternatively - more robust locust, like +1 armour and 5-10 HP)"
dame this mission was so good every minute seam like in action movie i didn't know if grant is going to fail now or later but i knew he will train and get better and finally he will win this was a good mission relay good maybe even the best.
Is this just an impression of mine, or having a couple overlords hovering near the front could have helped in finding and killing the goddamn ghosts? I have the impression that their snipes did a lot of damage
Damn, that was brutal. The swarm host was an awesome choice, I love the idea of advancing part of the army forward and covering it with the other half, kinda like tank wars in SC1. Super tough mission, super fun to watch!
This is so much more enjoyable to watch than Domination. Warfield is supposed to be a frigging General, while Zagara is just a dumb queen. Infinite armies versus infinite armies. This is meant to be a slugfest.
I agree with the swarm host buff, and I think they should be fully burrowed by default. The fact that they are so unwieldy when they don't have burrow makes burrow the only mutation to actually pick for them, in my opinion.
This swarm host thing is tricky ... for years I've felt like they really need all three upgrades to be truly viable. Because crawlers suck and hosts that can't fully burrow are way too flimsy, so they really need more locusts on the field to survive attacks. But if you actually give them all three upgrades, they would basically become an auto-win button. Lately I've been toying with the idea of turning them into more of a carrier unit. Instead of spawning infinity timed-life locusts, they carry a fixed number of permanent ones, say eight per, and have to take time (and possibly minerals) rebuilding them. Their locusts can attack on the move but the hosts can burrow for their own protection, which lets them rally their locusts at long range as a siege weapon. Then their upgrades could involve reduced time/money costs for new locusts, higher damage or more durable locusts, or higher hp/armor for the hosts. But, short of a full rebuild of the unit, probably the best solution is just to make burrow default and figure out another upgrade. Burrow movement, perhaps, or locusts using the baneling explosion when they die. I mean hey, that might be one way to make good use of healing banelings.
Every time I hear Warfield ramble about Kerrigan giving up her humanity, I'm left wondering; if Megnsk had just left her the hell alone, would this have even happened in the first place? Ah well, anyway, this looked really hard. I doubt I could have pulled it off.
It always seemed to me that the swarm host, after they designed it, was a bit OP and for that they split it's abilities into 3 mutually exclusive upgrades making it bad. I feel like strain upgrades are all right as they are now, creeper or carrion, but other 3 mutations should all be on by default. Burrow should be by default, both for detection and pathfinding of the locusts. Locusts should last as much as it would take the next spawn of them to come into fight, so essentially what rapid incubation does and they should be able to hit both air and ground by default as well, so SH would be viable for both siege and defense. I think all those abilities wouldn't make the SH overpowered, but rather viable at all. New mutations could be something else to make it better at specific tasks. Like 50% more SH health for defense, 3 locust per cycle instead of 2 for offense and some mutation for utility. I remember back in the day when i was achivementhunting HotS on brutal. SH on crucible simply wasn't viable, it spawned way too slow so it didn't hold defense, everything else got stuck on them and once breached they always got killed by the dozen. I'm not particularly good player, but that thing i passed with roach hydra.
that mission was insane. definitely like seeing warfield at his peak like this one thing I noticed that made killing the buildings take so long was the workers repairing them all the time. as someone who has only watched and not played, I dont know how hard it would be to actually target them down, but I imagine it would be worth the APM right?
Long range Lurkers and Swarm Hosts did all the good stuff in my Brutal Campaign. I wonder if long range Lurkers to snipe buildings (in Nightmare mode) could make these pushes easier.
While this mission usually feels like you steamroll Warfield in his own fortress, this was a proper siege where he didn’t let give up an inch without a proper fight. Granted when you ran out of resources it started to feel like the kind of siege where you wait for the enemy to starve to death
Maybe turn one of the bonus objectives into a nuke silo, reducing the nukes? And flying locust may be way more useful. Maybe turn the base swarm host into the ladder version?
The problem with balancing the swarm host is that they're intended to be an infinite value unit, specialized either for defense or siege, so if you go TOO hard on them they start to outclass every option. I think if you wanted to make a buff you could retool the Evo chamber upgrades to specialize one way or the other - more powerful, short-term locusts for defense, or bulkier, long-term locusts for offense, with maybe the flying locust variant that can hit air as the third option. I do agree that swarm host burrow is basically mandatory to using the swarm host in any capacity though so that can be assumed the default. For people who want numbers this would be my first pass estimate: 1. Locust duration and spawn timer reduced to 15 sec (iirc default in base HotS), locusts gain +2 damage 2. Locust duration and spawn timer increased to 25 sec (seems to be default in nightmare), locust hp increased by 25% 3. Locusts can fly and can hit air? This is just a first pass untested though so numbers definitely not set. I don't like a lot of the suggestions other people have had for swarm hosts because they just make them all around stronger instead of carving out a specific niche for each upgrade, which I feel the Evo chamber was designed to do (regardless of if it was successful in that attempt).
I think if you focused down the scvs with the spawn banelings you would have gotten the planetary on one of the tries before you went the other side. It had like upwards of 6 scvs on it, went from red to full in like 10 seconds. Dude, this was the definition of a meat grinder, that was tense.
Could we make the Creeper Hosts full burrow by default and then have the flying ones not burrow by default? Then you could replace the full burrow upgrade with something else. Optional replacements: -The first attack of each locust deals extra damage and reduces the target's armor by 2. Every subsequent attack is normal. -Locusts apply a damage over time effect to targets. -Locusts reduce armor of nearby units by 2 on death. Also, man I wanna play this with the new Impaler. Those would definitely help crack those buildings. Practically the perfect map for them.
High ground being a bit of a problem. If only zerg have a flying unit that can give high ground vision as well as being a detector. Something that starts with over and ends with seer.
Personally, I'm holding off until the guy who did the Moebius mod takes a crack at this one as well. Wondering if we'll get variations of the SC1 hero versions of zerg units. HK's, Devouring Ones, etc
Agreed. Even outside of the main feature (New Tech Tree for Moebius-Supported Raynor's Raiders) Moebius Mod has so many little changes that make it so much comfier to play. A few unlimited resource nodes in each base make the soft time limit of resources less punishing without making it excessively easy to last forever on one/two bases. The added hero units on missions made them feel more involved with the story. Extra side objectives and rewards on every mission added to player freedom to experiment in the armory. Recruited Too Many SCVs? Transform them into HERCs! The mod even added new cheat codes for dumb-fun shenigans
Join the discord and ask him because he never claimed he would do more. But is funny that you mentioned HK... Protoss can't have "Mobius" as a name scheme but maybe Zerg can use Mobius mod, overmind remnants mod or... What? Abathur on terrazine mod? Would love to play it if it is ever made!
Zagara could learn something about tenacity for Warefield… yikes this is insanity but it actually looks like how the Terran main base should be fortified
Warfield lost his All-in, the King of Blades prevailed, freaking great job Grant!~ Wanna say i got a quite disturbant feeling when AI is looking so much realistic in terms of building composition and unit behaviour, AND has infinite resources at the same time. Just too much production from out of nowhere, even at the very last stage of the mission imo. I wonder if there is a slightest possibility to beat THIS without swarm hosts. And even then, the only reason made swarm host possible is the fact that Warfield's Ravens and science vessels were too dumb to irradiate/seeker missiled the hosts :D Respects for Rhyme to make Char truly a Hell once again!
"I claimed this planet in the name of the Terran Dominion. I'm not gonna lose it"
We did it, we made it to the halfway point of the campaign
Unlike Domination, yeah this one is intended to be living hell. Gotta claw for every inch of ground and make sure Warfield never takes it back.
Aberration:
Damage buffed from 20 (40 vs armored) to 30 (45 vs armored)
Armor reduced 2 -> 1
Hp reduced 275 -> 250
The slappy bois get to slap a lot harder. It may not sound like that much, but it makes them take 1 fewer hit to kill nearly every unit. (They can kill marines in 2 hits instead of 3, marauders/firebats in 3 hits instead of 4, almost any mech unit in 3-4 hits, etc.) They feel surprisingly good, despite their low range. (I also made them benefit the correct amount from weapon upgrades, which makes them scale better than usual).
Old Soldiers: (The Showdown vs Warfield)
1. Warfield attempts to retake bases and fortify areas
2. Less patches at gold base
3. Less minerals at expansions and a new expansion added at low ground of warfields main compound.
4. Bonuses remove cellular reactors and psi disruptors from Dominion
1, 2, 3 were Grant's designs. I thought it was genius to have Warfield lose the 2 highest tiers of zerg research when you destroy his zerg research facilities. (Even if cellular reactor isn't the most noticeable thing). Very happy with that bonus objective. I didn't change the nukes at all, which I'm sure there are some people surprised at, but their siege-line disruption is much more impactful with the much slower pace of the mission. I also didn't really buff Warfield's tactical ops center (iirc I think it has some more hp but otherwise unchanged). Warfield is the boss, not just his cannon at the end.
Had an idea for a potential buff to Swarm Hosts. Burrow by default, its upgrade could be changed to:
Faster burrowing/unburrowing and a smaller radius (both burrowed and unborrwed, inner radius untouched). Makes them more mobile and allows more to fit in a smaller area (less pathing to find areas to burrow as well).
Nice mission.
After seeing the swarm host at play here it is kinda trashy. The burrow by default + auto release swarm to selected area for ladder wasn't considered to consolidate units like the rest of your changes? (Muta, hydra, zergling)
That was a nice trailer/tutorial/demo of "the reckoning"
Oh Rhyme for bug fixing... Rebuilt command centers are not getting upgraded to orbital or planetary... Grant didn't bust it when it "went back" to a planetary afaik because the pickups were still there after he took it down and I doubt SCVs can build over minerals.
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I was thinking about it throughout the mission, swarm hosts are really bad for their costs, so I think the best way to compensate is to give them all three of their evo chamber upgrades. Maybe make the new upgrades-
-Increase swarm host life or armor, just make them less likely to drop dead as soon as an enemy sees them.
-Give them a base attack, for when they're unburrowed, or just something to do while they're getting into possition
-Increase locust attack speed or something, maybe increase the time they stick around for, idk
Idk if that's overtuned but it feels right for how much they cost, and how much of a burden they can be to use normally. And I certainly don't think Rhyme should go to the effort
Hey guys, it's another super long vod that took forever to upload! Just like Domination I am going to sleep so I will fix however UA-cam ruins the Ad experience tomorrow. Sorry about that, I wasn't free to record until late this evening so I was a bit stuck!
MISSION ROCKED THOUGH!
Sleep well Grant, hope this is as good as the domination video haha
Thanks @GiantGrantGamesArchives for the awesome series, and thanks rhyme for mod! Its always super fun and entertaining when youre having fun grant. Love the content
Could you throw in the time stamps like you did in previous vods that were over an hour long, to denote the different tries?
The epic tale of 2-1 Zerg fighting The 3-3 Terran Swarm for 2 hours with their famous siege tactics
It was pretty painful to watch. That 1 extra armor might not seem much, but considering there were so many marines, it would help out so much. Making each wave of locust live just a bit longer and cause more damage, possibly destroying some key building much faster.
@@sasaasasasa9883 Probably just 2-2, since he's only halfway through the campaign. Still, it's extremely cheap and would help quite a bit.
@@sasaasasasa9883 I mean, isn't that's typical SC2 campaign design on higher difficulties? Enemies will have superior upgrades until you reach the final stretch and can get 3-3 yourself.
If Swarm hosts need a buff according to Rhyme, perhaps have the locusts path through your own units instead of getting blocked and taking queens on walkies.
Earlier Rhyme mentioned he didn’t want to buff swarm hosts because he’s afraid they’d be too good. Plus, he doesn’t much like them.
@@charliemallonee2792 He mentioned he didn't want to buff them because he doesn't think people want to use Swarm Hosts as a main army unit. He thinks they're too boring to use in every mission, so he intentionally left them to have this one specific purpose and to be trash at everything else.
I'd be inclined to give them burrow by default, aside from it being basically required to stop locusts from being path blocked by their hosts, it always struck me as silly that un-upgraded campaign hosts are arguably worse than multiplayer hosts.
Especially as the nature of single player makes Swarm Hosts Inherently worse by design. Their main role is to whittle down an opponent through attrition, where indecisive engagements will mostly only cost you free units, leaving you ahead in resources. However in single player, the AI cannon be killed through attrition because they get everything for free. They are still ok when you run out of resources or tanking for more valuable units, but they still lose a lot of their value.
honestly, they just need more activation range. the locusts can have the same timed life, therefore the same theoretical range, but the swarm host needs to launch them at enemies that are further away
Aren't they flying normally until trey meet target?
One of the things I was never really sure about was whether Warfield was fighting for valerian still, for arcturus or just generally for the dominion.
Edit: looks like he's just fighting for the dominion... I'm honestly surprised that negotiation was never attempted by kerrigan. She just defaults to murder and never even tries diplomacy. IMO this campaign would have been better if she'd at least tried to make peaceful resolutions on Kaldir and Char and protoss / Warfield just straight up reject her. Would have given her a distinctly different identity to original QoB.
I do really agree - especially with Kaldir.
I think there are a lot of subtle lore implications that the Protoss came to Kaldir in the aftermath of Wings of Liberty to capture / experiment on Zerg (mostly in Shoot the Messenger), and it would be fascinating to see Kerrigan try to negotiate for peace in Harvest of Screams, the Protoss outright reject her (because they are the ZERG - you can't negotiate with a group of mindless insects - and because of the Queen of Blade's betrayal of Fenix); and then you can have Kerrigan outraged when she discovers the Protoss were experimenting on Zerg - because Kerrigan would have a respect for the Zerg as creatures, as entities (especially with the revelations on Zerus) whereas the Protoss think of them as more of a disease, and it can lead into some really fun moral dilemmas.
But they never explore it, so it's all wasted.
With Warfield, Kerrigan does give an ultimatum of surrender ("Leave now or I'll kill you all") - but never any chance at genuine negotiations. I would love to see a talk or some form of proper scene between Warfield and Kerrigan before she kills him. Perhaps at the start of Fire in the Sky? It would be cool to see Kerrigan and Warfield, on either side of the Bone Trench...
How do you think it should look? Oi hello! I am commanding a Zerg army. Yeah, those creatures that destroyed Aiur and terrorised your colonies! Yeah, yeah! Me! The person that betrayed your trust couple of times already! Wanna negotiate with me?
Why would she do it if her offer will be rejected anyways? And she knows it. That's why she does not even try. Cause there is no point in trying. That's not a scriptwriter's fault. That's a way to show that she is smart enough to not try and do something that has no chances of success.
Heck, the original Brood War Kerrigan did negotiate, a lot even. She was one of like a dozen cerebrates, and she needed help from Mengsk, from Raynor and from Fenix to destroy another, human controlled Overmind.
It was a different kind of story, more 90s in a way and less "hero does the thing all on his own".
@@lagg1e On the other hand look at what happened to all the people who negotiated with Kerrigan. Half the people who made deals with her lived to regret it, and the other half got killed. At this point everyone in the Koprulu sector has probably adopted a shoot first, shoot some more, and autopsy whatever is left for answers stance toward Kerrigan.
@@rvtvrainbowviral5973 I was under the I pressing that after being purified by the artifact she was to all intents and purposes a different person. Much like she had a huge personality shift after her initial infestation compared to the person she was before. I get what you're saying - I agree that the protoss and terrans she encounters wouldn't see any difference and would be hostile because of their history with her - just seems a shame that no real attempt is made as a way to emphasise her personality change.
Broodwar Kerrigan was able to be crafty due to no-one really knowing how killing the overmind had affected her. But by the end of bw it was clear there was no good in her. She doesn't have to be super friendly with them - just state she's not the person she was and she's not looking for a fight.
Warfield is terrifying, actually.
I'm commenting half way through the vid because this has already been INCREDIBLE.
It's hard as all hell but in a way that just feels cool! Like, legit strategies and walls, and the fact that the research facilities contain WoL zerg research options is a fantastic touch! Also Warfield taking two more minutes than *accidentally turbobuffed Zagara* just feels appropriate. Absolutely insane mission, I love it.
"Another missile is incoming!!"
Kerrigan, screaming: "HOW MANY OF THOSE THINGS DO YOU F$&@*ING HAVE?!?!"
Warfield: "Get another Gorgon into the fight."
He make nukes all the time from Wings of Liberty to middle of Heart of the Swarm
The 30 Medivacs all around Warfield's HQ at the end gave me a good chuckle. They were really trying to ram themselves in there! Good job with the mission Rhyme and Grant. It truly feels like a big fortified entrenchment.
That's on the vanilla game, weird Rhyme didn't fix it~
And we have a new record for the longest Nightmare mission! Everyone give General Warfield a round of applause!
My money’s still on Mengsk. That man has a HUGE map to build structures on. And if SC1 is anything to go off, that man knows how to produce.
@@charliemallonee2792 I never said the record had to last long.
I feel like the new Impalers were supposed to be used here to help crack through the defenses, especially since the new Lurker is anti-armor now. Impaler + Swarm Host would be a phenomenal combination.
I've always felt Warfield was one of the more underrated characters, even as a character literally named Warfield, he had more emotional growth as a character than most anyone else in the series. Combine that with what Grant pointed out in his character tier list, he did the impossible, he took and held Char, so fighting his fortress should feel like a devastating battle. This is the canon Char storyline. I salute you Rhyme for fixing Blizzards narrative mistake
These kinds of missions are why I fell in love with this channel. I wont lie, recently I have been kind of bored watching these campaigns where there isn't really a visible struggle (im sure there actually is). Grant starts mission, learns the flow and wins was what I expected out of most videos. Here there was a struggle, tactical challenges, drawbacks, defeats, but always with that thin sliver of hope and I loved it. Really looking forward to the the Reckoning.
I love that taking out the research facilities that were experimenting on the zerg removed the laboratory zerg research upgrades
Warfield's true potential is the scariest thing I've ever seen. Really makes him feel like a master tactician and highly decorated general, rather than a 15 minute A move mission.
The ring of Medivacs surrounding Warfield's base as if they were all like "Warfield we gotta evacuate everyone" but Warfield is like "nah we got this"
Oh christ here we goooooOOOOOO
Edit: Man, that was INSANE. Definitely deserved to be that long of a mission, and absolute banger call on the Swarm Hosts. The siege holdout where you run out of resources is definitely the intent so the fact that they can just make infinite locusts helps dramatically. I wish their burrow trait was automatic so you could get the air and ground upgrade, but that'd just be calling a plague on Warfield and would probably end faster than intended. Nice job!
This wasn’t a mission. It was a whole god damn campaign lol. I am exhausted just watching it lol
I think another upgrade would have benefitted the hosts more, like faster spawn, but I haven't finished the mission.
And yes. Burrow should be available by default.
I think Burrow should be the default ability, but I don't think it would be bad if they could still be seen while burrowed. I mean, look at them - how is there any way they're hidden from the enemy while simultaneously sticking out of the ground and spewing out Locust eggs? Just allowing your units to path over them is enough to massively buff them over non-burrow Swarm Hosts.
Local man with a gun arm kills billions of zerg in cold blood.
Zerg hivemind quote "finds him really cool"
Kinda reminds of that one warhammer character, dude hs a mechanical arm, and the orks flicking love him
Last video was 23 minutes long: Ow thank goodness it's not near impossible anymore
Sees net video another 2 hour long marathon: Ow no. The mad lad has done it again.
To quote the man, the myth, the legend:
"Oh... Oh, no..."
I'm still watching it seeing him doing great only like 20 minutes in. I'm hyped to see how this falls apart
@@azraelangelusmortis2427It doesn’t, really. You need to remember that swarm hosts are a very different unit than the rest of Zerg: slow, methodical, value over time. It’s a matter of getting them in the right place and wearing down the enemy. Warfield’s main gate is heavily fortified, and finding the right angle took a few tries, but it’s all a slow steady push.
@@DanStaal Having a mission that requires extremely cost-efficient engagements over a long time against terrifying static D is exactly what the Swarm Hosts were designed to be good for, so I really like that Rhyme's giving it a real try to find a mission where the muffin bois shine
I think the easiest buff to swarm hosts is just they can always burrow. Then it's just a matter of figure out what to replace the upgrade with
Faster burrowing/unburrowing and a smaller radius comes to my mind. Makes them more mobile and allows more to fit in a smaller area (less pathing to find areas to burrow)
How about more locust per spawn, but slower spawn speed. Say... instead of 2 every 15 seconds, it's 4 every 22. All-in-all more locusts per hour, but a much larger window where there are 0 of them that could serve as a buffer for the hosts
@@Hidden_Sage that moment you realize they basically have both evolution paths at once, and they STILL suck
I think some of these "ooops I made it too hard" should form the core of a "Heart of the Swarm, sadomasochist edition." It's sadomasochism because you either have to enjoy being punished (masochist), or enjoy inflicting pain on those who "should" win (sadism) even if you have to cheat to do it.
Oh, this one, I'm not changing. This was exactly as intended.
Nah it makes sense this is a hard mission and was left until last. It should be this hard.
I love the bonus objective weakening the opponent. What a siege to end Char, this is all i had hope for in Char's 3 missions.
Seeing Grant fight up that ramp for an hour made me miss a long range high damage anti building sniper unit, if only we had those 8)
I love watching a singular queen live for like an hour, just struggling to keep her fellow bugs alive constantly at 0 energy. It's relatable. Great video
I like that the first 80% of the map take 30 minutes.
and the last 20% of the map take 1 1/2 hours.
Wouldn't Mutalisks be a better option here as a compliment to the swarm hosts?
I mean, what killed you was the huge ground siege firepower on small checkpoints which was shredding you, you also had a copious amount of gas...
But congratulations, that was insane...
Also, I think this mission with the Impaler would be more manageable, if only because you will actually have a proper siege unit!
I think the Thors here have the Anti-Muta guns and the number of Ravens/Science Vessels means that Irradiate/Seeker Missile would be hell on Grant. Grant admits that he's not the best at splitting so that would be pretty bad.
"Speedrunning Char"
Oh, cool! This mission must follow the last one!"
**2 hour video**
Did Grant really forget about the +2 carapace during the whole thing to make the thing more challenging? Also great job Grant this mission was epic.
Since burrow is a bit necessary for Swarm Hosts to be viable in most cases, what if they were given burrow by default and that option in the Evolution Chamber was replaced with an ability that allowed them to spawn locusts without having to burrow? This way you could have Swarm Hosts be part of the back line of your main army without having to spend the APM on burrowing/unburrowing. If this is too powerful, the lifespan of locusts could be reduced as a consequence.
I don’t know how many more of these 2 hour missions grant can take lol
Swarm Host only run (once they become available) would be hilarious.
who doesn't love a 2 hour long speed run. I sure as heck dig it.
Grant spends 2 hours proving that 100 supply of lurkers would be so much better than 100 supply of muffins.
except that when he went lurkers he got schwacked.
Honestly I don’t see how you’d have the money to break this base the normal way. I guess maybe aberrations?
@@misspurdy27288 if Grant had actually attacked the scvs repairing the Planetary and brought some high ground vision to the siege up a ramp, i think hed have cleared this way earlier.
@@TheMuffinman191 yeah, it would have taken way fewer waves, but I still don’t think this is breakable with a normal army.
Impalers would've been great.
And saying "I don't like the lurkers. Lurkers don't feel very good here" at 1:19:00?
Differences between base Brutal and Nightmare are sort of obvious, but I am very curious what the differences of the last few missions are compared to if you came to Char first, since you mentioned whatever planet you don't go to get powered up.
Kerrigan: "We are the Swarm! We are countless!" Warfield: "I doubt that."
13:02 "Perfect. This is going great! This is going really really good"
Checking the time remaining 🤔
At this point, I’m starting to get excited every time a video is late because that probably means it took longer to record/upload than expected, aka more video for us
I just loved all the medivacs hovering over Warfield
I kinda love the mental image at the very end there of a weakened and exhausted swarm challenging Warfield's equally exhausted stronghold and only winning through the evolutions gained on Zerus through the Swarm Host.
My favorite part of this was the small army of Medivac sitting around Warfield's base at the end. Dude had like 200 supply of Medivacs sitting there doing nothing.
But god that was awesome. Warfield felt competent, the attacks kept coming and coming to grind you down, nuke placement was decent. And that Planetary Fortress of DOOM sitting in just the right spot to fuck you over.
One thing I find funny is that Warfield seemingly forgets that Kerrigan can respawn when he was there in All In and saw that she could retreat
Well, it's a gameplay mechanic more of a lore mechanic. She deep tunnels back to base to heal when critically wounded and gameplay-wise she always will, but realistically, each time could actually kill her.
@@Vortama Still, it's funny that he sounds so happy. Like this time we've definitely killed her!
"Psi slower-downer" - Grant, forgetting the name of the psi disruptor which shares its name with a critical plot device from Starcraft: Brood War (tho tbf this one shares exactly zero other similarities aside from its name, so I can't fault him too much)
Man this must be what it felt like to be playing on the other end of All In
I think one of the best things about this series is how happy grant is at the end and how much fun he had during the whole thing.
Just a mans that enjoys strategy games enjoying another mans hrad work to make a fun experience.
"If I could curse for a moment . . . darn."
I wish more people in the world still cursed like this.
For Swarm host buffs I think there are a few things that could be done. For starters, the burrow needs to be default similarly to the roach's burrow move. As for the mutations, Rapid incubation could remain the same or just have a few extra % added but that's not really needed. Pressurized glands should be a range buff maybe a simple +1 to or +2 but nor more than that. The final mutation to replace the burrow could then be extra locust spawns.
The evolutions could do with some fiddling. Carrions should be able to attack air and ground by default otherwise they can remain the same. The creeper could also spread creep while rooted so they can always be teleporting forwards in a slow push and maybe have more tanky locusts. If carrions locusts gain attack at the cost of health creepers should either have more health, longer duration, or more armor.
Just some ideas to hopefully benefit my favorite unit in the zerg roster.
Dont creepers spread creep to begin with?
@@TheMuffinman191 I’m not sure. I don’t think they do.
@@tweedilde8089 it does generate creep
I enjoy that both domination and old soldiers took longer than the entire HotS speedrun.
I like how I got to the part where you were starting to push up the last ramp and was like "OK he's almost done" then I checked and there was OVER AN HOUR OF VIDEO LEFT. Full-power Warfield did NOT disappoint.
This mission looks great, it really seems like he did a good job of creating a true example of the zergs tactics
That battle of attrition in the end is incredible entertaining to watch! Every building down is huge win and every lucky attack wave can bring defeat to the Grant
”General Missile has launched another nuclear Warfield!”
Those resources at 37:51... Does that mean there are lava bases and pickups, and Grant never found them?
May be give burrow for swarm host by default and make upgrades like "faster locust spawns(with\or 50% more locust); locust with air\ground attack; faster locust movement speed(or alternatively - more robust locust, like +1 armour and 5-10 HP)"
dame this mission was so good every minute seam like in action movie i didn't know if grant is going to fail now or later but i knew he will train and get better and finally he will win this was a good mission relay good maybe even the best.
Is this just an impression of mine, or having a couple overlords hovering near the front could have helped in finding and killing the goddamn ghosts? I have the impression that their snipes did a lot of damage
It is an option, but Grant said he is too likely to just run the overseers into enemy anti air if he puts them in the control group.
@@lagg1e Yah early on Viking flank waves were abundant enough to shred through any air unit they encountered
love the grind of this one. it is pretty much the experience I had with Mass Recall, and I loved every step of it
This was a true tug-a-war for Char! Well done Grant.
that was one hell of a uphill battle.
Good job.
Grant at 15 min: *I feel like I'm doing well*
Video length: *haha, you are funny*
Damn, that was brutal. The swarm host was an awesome choice, I love the idea of advancing part of the army forward and covering it with the other half, kinda like tank wars in SC1. Super tough mission, super fun to watch!
Incredible episode, awesome to see the evolving strategies. This is shaping up to be my favorite sc2 series yet
That one planetary fortress at the 45-53 minute mark was probably the true wall for Warfield. 😆
This is so much more enjoyable to watch than Domination. Warfield is supposed to be a frigging General, while Zagara is just a dumb queen. Infinite armies versus infinite armies. This is meant to be a slugfest.
30 minutes in: Hey Grant's doing pretty well!
Sees there's an hour and a half left....
Warfield nuking his own guys at 48:40 was super brutal. Those guys are hardcore.
Also lol at 1:04:45 when the lurker got spit on by a roach.
I agree with the swarm host buff, and I think they should be fully burrowed by default. The fact that they are so unwieldy when they don't have burrow makes burrow the only mutation to actually pick for them, in my opinion.
This swarm host thing is tricky ... for years I've felt like they really need all three upgrades to be truly viable. Because crawlers suck and hosts that can't fully burrow are way too flimsy, so they really need more locusts on the field to survive attacks. But if you actually give them all three upgrades, they would basically become an auto-win button.
Lately I've been toying with the idea of turning them into more of a carrier unit. Instead of spawning infinity timed-life locusts, they carry a fixed number of permanent ones, say eight per, and have to take time (and possibly minerals) rebuilding them. Their locusts can attack on the move but the hosts can burrow for their own protection, which lets them rally their locusts at long range as a siege weapon. Then their upgrades could involve reduced time/money costs for new locusts, higher damage or more durable locusts, or higher hp/armor for the hosts.
But, short of a full rebuild of the unit, probably the best solution is just to make burrow default and figure out another upgrade. Burrow movement, perhaps, or locusts using the baneling explosion when they die. I mean hey, that might be one way to make good use of healing banelings.
Well, I believe now Kerri would NOT have mercy on the remaining Warfield's troops in the outro cinematic =)
Imagine this mission but with impalers instead
Every time I hear Warfield ramble about Kerrigan giving up her humanity, I'm left wondering; if Megnsk had just left her the hell alone, would this have even happened in the first place? Ah well, anyway, this looked really hard. I doubt I could have pulled it off.
I think burrow should be automatic on swarm hosts and that slot should be an upgrade to locusts, like +1 range or something
That mission really succeeded in giving the feeling to live through a siege and that's great! Good job! 👍
Thanks for the fun! 😁
"we're at a choke where nobody can break it, well the enemy can break it. But if you ignore them nobody can break it."
It always seemed to me that the swarm host, after they designed it, was a bit OP and for that they split it's abilities into 3 mutually exclusive upgrades making it bad. I feel like strain upgrades are all right as they are now, creeper or carrion, but other 3 mutations should all be on by default.
Burrow should be by default, both for detection and pathfinding of the locusts. Locusts should last as much as it would take the next spawn of them to come into fight, so essentially what rapid incubation does and they should be able to hit both air and ground by default as well, so SH would be viable for both siege and defense. I think all those abilities wouldn't make the SH overpowered, but rather viable at all.
New mutations could be something else to make it better at specific tasks. Like 50% more SH health for defense, 3 locust per cycle instead of 2 for offense and some mutation for utility.
I remember back in the day when i was achivementhunting HotS on brutal. SH on crucible simply wasn't viable, it spawned way too slow so it didn't hold defense, everything else got stuck on them and once breached they always got killed by the dozen. I'm not particularly good player, but that thing i passed with roach hydra.
7:50 Grant: "So I what to prove to him that [swarm hosts] are good
Me: sees that there's almost 2 hours left in the video
But they where also invaluable towards the endgame
to be honest, im pretty sure he lost about 10k locusts here, if anything it might have proved him right
that mission was insane. definitely like seeing warfield at his peak like this
one thing I noticed that made killing the buildings take so long was the workers repairing them all the time. as someone who has only watched and not played, I dont know how hard it would be to actually target them down, but I imagine it would be worth the APM right?
That was a nail biter for every single minute of a 2 hour video. Big props for overcoming this macro fiend
Long range Lurkers and Swarm Hosts did all the good stuff in my Brutal Campaign.
I wonder if long range Lurkers to snipe buildings (in Nightmare mode) could make these pushes easier.
This was phenomenal. It felt worthy of the heavy narrative.
I feel like the impaler would be a GOAT unit for this, able to tear apart Warfield's defences from afar with their insane anti-structure damage
Am I going crazy, or are there times when the enemy has vision of burrowed swarm hosts when they shouldn't?
My favourite part was when drones said "it's returnin' time", and proceeded to return all over the Warfield's base, so emotional.
This mission was done so well. A grinding battle of attrition to the very end
While this mission usually feels like you steamroll Warfield in his own fortress, this was a proper siege where he didn’t let give up an inch without a proper fight.
Granted when you ran out of resources it started to feel like the kind of siege where you wait for the enemy to starve to death
Maybe turn one of the bonus objectives into a nuke silo, reducing the nukes?
And flying locust may be way more useful. Maybe turn the base swarm host into the ladder version?
The problem with balancing the swarm host is that they're intended to be an infinite value unit, specialized either for defense or siege, so if you go TOO hard on them they start to outclass every option.
I think if you wanted to make a buff you could retool the Evo chamber upgrades to specialize one way or the other - more powerful, short-term locusts for defense, or bulkier, long-term locusts for offense, with maybe the flying locust variant that can hit air as the third option. I do agree that swarm host burrow is basically mandatory to using the swarm host in any capacity though so that can be assumed the default.
For people who want numbers this would be my first pass estimate:
1. Locust duration and spawn timer reduced to 15 sec (iirc default in base HotS), locusts gain +2 damage
2. Locust duration and spawn timer increased to 25 sec (seems to be default in nightmare), locust hp increased by 25%
3. Locusts can fly and can hit air?
This is just a first pass untested though so numbers definitely not set.
I don't like a lot of the suggestions other people have had for swarm hosts because they just make them all around stronger instead of carving out a specific niche for each upgrade, which I feel the Evo chamber was designed to do (regardless of if it was successful in that attempt).
1:47:24 that was a beautiful animation of the warhound being exploded and yeeted to the tank
I think if you focused down the scvs with the spawn banelings you would have gotten the planetary on one of the tries before you went
the other side. It had like upwards of 6 scvs on it, went from red to full in like 10 seconds.
Dude, this was the definition of a meat grinder, that was tense.
So hype when I saw this was uploaded. Stayed up to see it
Could we make the Creeper Hosts full burrow by default and then have the flying ones not burrow by default? Then you could replace the full burrow upgrade with something else.
Optional replacements:
-The first attack of each locust deals extra damage and reduces the target's armor by 2. Every subsequent attack is normal.
-Locusts apply a damage over time effect to targets.
-Locusts reduce armor of nearby units by 2 on death.
Also, man I wanna play this with the new Impaler. Those would definitely help crack those buildings. Practically the perfect map for them.
High ground being a bit of a problem.
If only zerg have a flying unit that can give high ground vision as well as being a detector.
Something that starts with over and ends with seer.
Well, with Mengsk’s foremost tactical genius taken out, Korhal should be a breeze… right?
Personally, I'm holding off until the guy who did the Moebius mod takes a crack at this one as well.
Wondering if we'll get variations of the SC1 hero versions of zerg units. HK's, Devouring Ones, etc
Agreed. Even outside of the main feature (New Tech Tree for Moebius-Supported Raynor's Raiders) Moebius Mod has so many little changes that make it so much comfier to play.
A few unlimited resource nodes in each base make the soft time limit of resources less punishing without making it excessively easy to last forever on one/two bases.
The added hero units on missions made them feel more involved with the story.
Extra side objectives and rewards on every mission added to player freedom to experiment in the armory.
Recruited Too Many SCVs? Transform them into HERCs!
The mod even added new cheat codes for dumb-fun shenigans
Join the discord and ask him because he never claimed he would do more.
But is funny that you mentioned HK... Protoss can't have "Mobius" as a name scheme but maybe Zerg can use Mobius mod, overmind remnants mod or... What? Abathur on terrazine mod?
Would love to play it if it is ever made!
Zerg army: exists
Warfield *"ANOTHER MISSLE"*
Zagara could learn something about tenacity for Warefield… yikes this is insanity but it actually looks like how the Terran main base should be fortified
I love that vultures were part of the final defense lol
Sees video length, sees thumbnail.
“Oh no”
Oh, Yes!
Oh yes! Putting the "war" in Warfield
46:56 you needed the visibility SO bad in this choke point, a overseer just chilling would have save you so much pain
Zagara probably pronounces the word "nuclear" correctly because she heard it a lot during her skirmishes with Warfield earlier :(
30:50 No, it wasn't...?
You said you were gonna push with the swarm hosts and defend with the not-free units, lol XD
Over 2000 enemy units killed! That's a Total War level meat grinder.
Tunneling swarm hosts are really good, especially in this kind of mission.
Warfield lost his All-in, the King of Blades prevailed, freaking great job Grant!~
Wanna say i got a quite disturbant feeling when AI is looking so much realistic in terms of building composition and unit behaviour, AND has infinite resources at the same time. Just too much production from out of nowhere, even at the very last stage of the mission imo. I wonder if there is a slightest possibility to beat THIS without swarm hosts. And even then, the only reason made swarm host possible is the fact that Warfield's Ravens and science vessels were too dumb to irradiate/seeker missiled the hosts :D
Respects for Rhyme to make Char truly a Hell once again!