Homemade Ballast (Stone) Wagon For The Narrow Gauge Field Railway
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- I still am struggling with the covid, so everything is taking a long time - but finally I have a working stone wagon to show you. It's a hopper wagon for moving and distributing stones for under the sleepers (ties) on my 15 inch gauge railway. What do you think?
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When british rail tipped stone like this they couldn't reclose the doors till the hopper was empty. This did at times bury the wagon if the train stopped while tipping. All good fun back in the day
A piece of flat bar positioned just in front of the rear wheels to ‘grade’ the gravel to the rail tracks height would be the obvious solution for excess gravel.. I love the content ✅
And maybe something similar between the front and back wheel on each side, to prevent stones landing and sittin on the tracks in the first place?
Or a piece of angle iron that is positioned over the tracks like a roof to direct the stones left and right.
i was kinda thinking that to stop the rear wheels running over the stones
This is great fun to watch this project progress. Looks like the new channel is picking up steam!
Ha! Yes, it is. And UA-cam has started throwing pennies our way too, so it's all good : - )
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 look after the penny's and the pounds will look after themselves. Old saying 🇮🇪
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Tim it's a GREAT channel, for content that I really enjoy, Thanks!
No pressure though....
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 UA-cam could particularly encourage channels like this one with so much ingenuity and determination. Your ideas and their concretization are a pure delight for me, and why not, an inspiration.
What you built is very much like the 100 ton capacity ballast hoppers used in the USA, only much smaller. These special hoppers dump ballast to either side of the track, too. Then a Jordan spreader, pushed by a locomotive, comes behind to shape the ballast profile. This is followed by a ballast tamper and other machinery as needed. A small army of specialized equipment is required to re-ballast main line track. But in your case, you are the one-man army!
That’s a great ballast wagon. I saw a video about a man who made a locomotive from an old rototiller. That’s great because someone else has done all the hard work of gearing down the engine.
That is even more clever than I thought. Good idea. I hope Tim sees this comment!
Thanks, yes, that could work (if I could find one) but really I'd like to avoid small noisy petrol engines if I can
What i like the most about your videos is you show the things that didnt work it full detail so theres no need for others to waste time trying it.
Another quarter of an hour of railway fun. Thanks Tim. Looking at your ballast I wonder whether it’s the right grade. Let me explain, railway ballast holds the track in place and provides both springing and drainage. To do all this we at SNCF (and all other railways too) use regularly sized stones but more importantly they are never rounded and have relatively sharp edges, angles and corners. This is so they lock together and hold the sleepers better. When we need to renew ballast on our tracks it’s usually because over time the sharp edges wear down and the stones round off and no longer do their job.Just à thought.
Nothing like advice from someone who works with railways.
That's a very interesting point about round ballast. I've only ever used ballast for model railways & have absolutely noticed the difference between round & edged stones! Nice to have someone explain who actually works on the real thing!
I would have chosen something sharper, Robin - but there's very little choice at all around here so I was happy to find something about the right size
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 still looks great and that hopper wagon is amazing ! I guess it’ll keep down weed growth too. If you really wanted to go the whole hog you need a layer of finer sub ballast on an excavated road bed followed by a minimum 6 inches of ballast. I wouldn’t even dare to imagine the cost of doing all that, but you could probably run a high speed train over it afterwards 🤣🤣🤣
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 maybe you need some mates at CIE 😉
I was preparing to comment how smoothly it rolls over your PROPER point... and then it did a very good job on the silly point too. Shall we viewers start a pool on when your loco will be ready? I'm voting for June 2022.
I recently saw some photographs of mine railway systems with "silly points". I think they are pretty underrated. My guess is that the silliness becomes dominant only when higher speeds are involved (you won't see that on a TGV track). Or very low speeds when the momentum isn't sufficient to push the wagon over the kink.
I'm working on it in my head, Tom, but I wouldn't bet on when it becomes reality : - )
@@cls9474 I think TGV track has not only proper main points but also pivoting frogs!
11:47 Conveyor belt? You are standing right next to the engine that could power the conveyor belt, tim.
Get to it! 🙂
I´d love to see such a conveyor...
I think he has plans down the road for this. In many comments over many videos it seems like that is the plan. Just not right now as it seems. He can only do so much with the funds that one has.
When Will made that comment in the video, I had the very same thought. It wouldn't surprise me to see the development and implementation of one in a future installment.
I think your points will need the stones cleared out! But I just love the way you tackle any problem in such a pragmatic way. I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again... You’re a very clever man. Thanks for so many interesting videos. Les in England!
Thanks very much, Les in England : - )
Maybe attach a motor with a Half circle on the end kind of like they do on dump trucks, should give you enough to shake the stones out. Maybe even a cordless drill might do it. I love it sir thank you. Make On
I think maybe pedal powered puller/pusher would be a cool project made of bike parts not sure what sort of grip the tracks would provide but could do some sort of rack and pinion set in the middle of the track with low gearing it should work would also give you a brake to hold the different carts in place if needed
With had a need for one so I could have my own mini rail system you definitely have some cool ideas
that would be super cool
They actually make “railbikes” for the big railways as a recreational thing. A pair of seats on a small square frame and off they go. Our local tourist line briefly looked at getting some. I’ve also seen pictures of bikes that are fixed to a triangular frame so they ride on one rail with a balancing runner wheel on the other. It’s a lot like the old Velocipedes they used in line inspections way back in the day.
I love it Tim, it's a great invention. We had a much bigger one at the now closed Dome Mine in Timmins Canada, that was fabricated by an outside company, Wabi Metal Company. Anyways ours was used to ballast the center of the underground railway line, it had a gear driven chute that opened and closed with the use of a wheel that operated it, it worked very well and had the ballast capacity of about two tons or more. It was pulled by a five ton Mancha (Goodman company) storage battery powered locomotive, which were the standard size locomotive at our mine.
Hi Tim. Hope you and Sandra are well. Just a suggestion regarding how you prevent a buildup on the tracks. Instead of the divider stopping the stone hitting the tracks, you could place a V shaped piece hanging vertically between each wheel and the chute (Four in total). Have the bottom of the piece almost but not quite touching the tracks. The V will push any ballast that falls on the tracks to the sides as you push the wagon along. It may also help with the bridging problem and avoid you having to create a complex agitating mechanism.
Greetings from sunny Australia.
I think I'd just shake it rather than build an agitator... it's not exactly a single-use project, but I do think it's something that will be rarely used once the railway is gravelled-in.
I am sure over time it will have to be fixed here and there and stone will need to be added. Along with fixing low spots and stuff. You are right its kind of a single use projects. Though I am sure the rail will get longer over time! Someone said a cordless drill and something to shake. An off set weight and cordless drill would work wonders I think.
Wait until he's building the mainline into the town, the branch down to the beach, the extension into the workshop, the "jam and scones" branch to the kitchen, etc, etc. :-)
I built a dispenser for nuts and bolts last month. I believe you can find a short video on my channel. For M6 nuts and bolts it needs to be 100mm in diameter. So for your stones probably 250mm.
Impressive, I enjoy watching you figure things out through a bit of trial and error and tidbits of logic. Thanks for sharing.
"Disappointingly simple" is often the best way to go. 😃
Great progress, thanks for the update!
a (portable) conveyer belt would be great! Could be used for loading not only the stones but the wood and the charcoal too
I look forward to each episode!'
It has been fun following along.
Bill in Utah, USA
Problem solving is by far the best skill set to have and you have it in spades
Intrestingly thats actually how the big rail operates and builds that type of hopper :)
Have a look at the conveyor belt systems used in mining - a conveyor belt or wheel for scattering the hardcore would work for scattering.
Yes, a conveyor belt formed of scoops on a chain drive would enable uploading and downloading.
You are so smart! I feel like im learning more about Engineering watching videos on your channel than when I went to University.
I love this, Tim. Trial and error. That's what it's all about. But the main component is an inquiring mind and the ability to turn ideas into finished items. All of these you have and the videos keep us 'I wish I could do that,' armchair mechanics happy. Keep em coming.
I hope to show you that in the next video..
Sorry that you got hit with the dreaded lurgy. I wish you both a speedy recovery. It looks like you are doing what we used to do years ago. Working through it while you can.
I’m loving this! Back in the 1960’s a friend of mine had an exceptional large garden in which we built an angle iron railway and used a child’s pushchair as the ‘train’. But this is on another level ….absolutely compelling!
Your videos always seem to make me smile. Your knowledge and ingenuity never fails to amaze me. x
Wow.. that ballast wagon looks great !
This is wonderful!! I could never move that much stone all at once with a wheelbarrow
I must weigh a full load..
The stone size seems perfect. It doesn't all just flow out immediately, you have to shake it to get out. Control!
I always enjoy your content.
This video in particular was really nice because we could see the whole progress from idea to "finished" product.
Hi Tim, love the field railway, true to the Light Railway principal in every sense. Just one thing that has occurred to me watching this, having such sharp curves, how about having one wheel loose on the axles, secured by collars? Watching you push the loaded hopper you can see the wheels having to skid as you go round the curve, this would enable the wheels to turn independently as needed. Wouldn't be too much extra work during building either.Phil.
Thanks, Philip. I've been wondering how to do just that, without having to use two bearings for each wheel. Maybe your idea would work - but this particular wagon has square axles, so I'd have to make up some other ones..
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 could you swap the wheel sets with another wagon? Admittedly you would have to cut the weld between wheel and axle, but would save making any while you trial it.
Looks very well designed over all. Considering how short of a run you have, I wonder if it's even worth the effort of adding an agitator; the handle of a gravel rake or shovel might be enough to poke in and get the stones moving. Either way, I imagine you'll have a much easier time working with your railway with this ballast spread out to provide some solid footing.
I have to get back to bottling and drying this year's pumpkins and stop thinking about this.
You can do away with the plank and send the eight-year old back to school if you have a little winch/crank that allows you to raise the skip a foot or so when empty. Of course, you have to shovel/lift the load that extra distance/height, but it eliminates the input mechanism of plank/lever/ratchet etc.
Cheers Chris
Dude.... you are one heck of a fabricator. Absolutely astounding. Love your videos
Wow, thanks!
I'd love to see your take on some buffers for the ends of the tracks.
Bolt-on pin plates? It really wouldn’t take much
Your neighbor is a great pack mule and great help.
I love how this all started with a little monorail, what is next a steem engine made from a donut machine and a leftover guitar playing biits?
The stones you have are quite smooth, real railway ballast is very angular. Once it’s settled in position, then these angular pieces are gonna lock together and form a very strong platform for the heavy engines and rolling stock as well as allow for drainage when it rains
Sadly I can't get real railway ballast here though
Add a wheel sweep to clear those stones off the rails. Kind of like a cow catcher but way smaller…..
Excellent progress Tim and Will…..
That's a fine looking wagon you've built there.
Nice job you do great work and are very creative just make sure after you get the rock down to lift the track up and get the ballast as we call it here under the sleepers to raise them out there f the mud
I love the battery & paint pot counter balance for the saw!
SUGGESTION: You'll probably want to make baffles to direct the stones more precisely. I don't think you want the stones dumping beyond the ends of the ties. These don't have to be really strong, so you probably can get away with cutting up tin or aluminum cans for this, which will help not to add much weight. Also, you'll want to add wedges to prevent stones from piling up in those three spots. Again, doesn't have to be a thick piece of wood.
As far as an agitator, you could get away with a small electric motor with an offset flywheel. Doesn't have to be big, just has to get the motor (and what the motor is mounted to) rocking.
Also, you'll probably want something to pull it for you. I suggest a miniature pony. And when not in use on the railway, they can be saddled up for the young tikes to ride.
Tim, love the rail way. Engine suggestion: repurpose the working guts of an electric golf cart. If one electric motor doesn’t do the job you can always add a second electric motor to another axle. Bonus: use batteries or an engine powered welder. They produce DC power in the right voltage range for the golf cart motors.
I did look up secondhand golf carts - more money than I can afford : - (
But I'll keep looking..
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I've been thinking, and you probably can do the same with a gas powered engine from a riding lawnmower or go cart. You'll need to buy steel gears to transfer the power to the axels. Pretty sure the torque of either engine will shred the teeth on homemade gears.
If you go electric, you might want to check out the electric go cart Robert Dunn is making for his son on his channel Under Dunn. While Robert's project is a bit of a disaster, it will give you an idea what you need to make it work. Also, you don't have to go with batteries if you're running electric. The big boys used in the US are all Diesel-Electric Engines. They have a diesel generator that supplies power for both charging a battery bank and driving four to eight traction motors (One per axel). You could use a portable generator with a small electric motor for the setup you have.
Then again, a miniature horse would do the same, and provide something for the little ones to ride when not in use.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 How about a battery powered winch to act as a motor to drive the gearing?
For somebody with Covid, that's amazing work.
Thanks - you're right!
This looks remarkably like the old British Rail “dogfish” hoppers…
To help spread the ballast away from the flangeways you could attach a small pin or plate in front of each wheel. For an agitator I’d imagine that a rebar sort of rod running just on top of each of the divider plates, then wiggle it back and forth like a little crank.
That is a clever idea. I was thinking brushes and decided not to add it to my comment. Pins might even work better!
Adding a blade to grade the ballast would be easy to add in between the wheels and the chute.
normally railways would put the ballast then sleepers then rails! but i love the enthusiasm, and determination. keep up the good work lad!
That's a good looking ballast wagon! If I could make a suggestion...You might want to put a V shaped rib on the inside of the hopper so that you don't have that flat spot in the middle of the bottom next to the doors. It could help a bit with the rocks going through the bottom doors.
I thought about that but it's only a small pile left at the end of the unload. And I suspect it would make things worse for clogging - but perhaps I'll give it a try
This is awesome! I can't wait to see what you come up with next. a conveyor belt sounds like an interesting build.
I WOULD THINK ALL THE WEIGHT ON JUST TWO WHEELS WOULD BE FINE,AS WITH RIGGING HEAVY WEIGHTS,EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE FOUR SLINGS OR CABLES,IN REALITY,TWO ARE CARRYING THE WEIGHT AND TWO BALANCING THE REST!
LOVE WATCHING YOU WORK,ON A SHOESTRING, THROUGH THESE CHALLENGES, AND THE OUTCOMES NEVER DISAPPOINT!
I think you could take a very cheap palm sander and screw the platen to the wooden bin, and this would provide enough vibration. Perhaps battery powered makes the most sense for you. Or perhaps the power of the wagon moving could turn an imbalanced counter shaft that was coupled to the wooden bin. There is something very appealing about it not requiring any electricity or batteries
you got some good tools and you are a handy man
Great fun, Tim! Can't wait to see more as you progress!! I know all of us think the same thing, that loco may be a life-saver at some point! Perhaps an old mower engine connected to a drive? I'd imagine that once you get more cars hooked up together, you'll need that pulling power. I'm happy to see with each episode what you come up with!! Won't be long before you start using this railway to service plenty more on the farm! Can you give us a bit of an updated "map" of what you've done so far? I know it's just the line from the entry to the drying tunnel, as well as the 2 switches, but I'd love to see the progress.
There’s a map near the beginning of the last video
@@andrewreynolds4949 oh is there? I didn't realize. Might have missed it. Thanks!
Wow! This is the first I have seen of your panel saw. How wonderfully simple! I love it!
Watching you slip through the mud at the start of the journey had me thinking "maybe ballast the rail from the start?"
I love this idea! You can always be counted on to make an incredible invention that fills a niche idea. It's always a blast to see what you've come up with!
Emma: He's got two new inventions just to make the tracks so you know he's having fun.
Me: Oh good, he painted the cart "Tim orange" and added the brackets.
Glad to see you're feeling better and making things again!
Absolutely brilliant and very entertaining. Thank you for sharing.
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It looks like the steel arches are flexing sideways, which seems to help the agitation process as the hopper slides around a bit relative to the frame.
What may help as 'agitator' is to use elliptical wheels, configured in such a way that when the left wheels are on 'small' part of the ellipse, the right wheels are on the wide part of the ellipse, causing the cart to wiggle when you push it. I hope my comment makes sense.
Yes, that would be one way of doing it : - )
They also jam up in full size ones, you just take the lining bar and hit the sides.
Nice tablesaw safety!
Awesome! 👍
I love this channel. It is such fun watching you go through the design/manufacture/test/repeat procedure. I see you have found a use for a spare Rose Hive box too. Give us more Tim!
Your dedication to engineering is amazing. I have built many hobby HO scale railroads but just think it would be cool to build a railway in my backyard just because I can? I think I love to build more than anything.
Thanks, Matthew. I hope it will turn out to be useful as well as entertaining
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I just have to convince my wife to let me build one in the backyard!
You should add a sloped track at the end of the line so you can easily take wagons on and off the rail
looking good so far.
Such a clever guy ❤️
Bulk grain and coal cars in North America use giant shakers to help with unloading.
You know what you need, is some sort of conveyor belt. Only jesting, good job but I think I would have started at the muddy end!
Can’t wait for a locomotive!!
This seems like far too much fun🙂 that said, the inspiration could well end up costing me a fortune…first step being to find a small holding. Really enjoying this.
I too hate when I'm working on something and create this nice, probably over engineered solution to it I'm proud of and want to show off, only to realize it won't really work the way I want it to and then realize there's a much simpler way of doing it that isn't worth showing off
I really like your wagons, they remind me of the ones from the Dinoric quarry in Wales, maybe its that oxide red haha!
I feel like I'm watching real-life minecraft sometimes. Perfect version of the hopper minecart.
Yes, sorry, I should have explained that. It's to lift everything out of the mud so the sleepers don't rot, and also to make a solid bed so the tracks are stable
Its like your own little rail way
Like the mid sodor
The people on the main channel are missing out so hard if they didn't follow the workshop channel
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We have manual door ballast cars on our railway - ex CN. And when the material gets stuck in the chute, we shake the cars by applying an abrupt stop with the automatic brake.... as quickly as possible, so same kind of concept.
Do you guys have access to Babbitt material where you live? As your project grows in scope, it occurs to me that this would be an ideal bearing material for high load low RPM situations that are exposed to weather. Obviously your pillow blocks are far superior, but I imagine they get expensive as the project grows. Babbitt has the added advantage of being able to be melted and recast over and over, yet it wears at a similar rate to brass.
You're right, these bearings are very expensive - I must look into that...
You are having way too much fun!
Love this channel...I've got serious 80s early morning programming vibes.
I'm loving seeing this come together, what a great series this is! Can't wait for the next installment :)
Strangely a lot of wheelbarrow advertisements came up under this video, as thought they were saying hindsights 20/20!
I think you need to extend your railway all the way into your workshop so you don't have to drag all these amazing new cart through a muddy field :)
Great job, Tim! I really enjoy seeing the results of your plans.
I think you did a nice job. Sometimes theory and reality do not match. I was wondering if you went to school for engineering or if you are self taught? I love your work and wish that I could make rails and cars as you have. It is so cool.😀😀😀
I only started working with metal about 7 years ago - left school at 15.
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I think that you are very skilled and that you have learned a lot. I have a CNC plasma cutter like yours and I had to teach myself. I enjoy your videos.
That's wonderful!
Brilliant video
Aren't round stones just going to slip away under the track? I think ballast is course and edgy for that reason..
It's the best I can get locally
9:54 why not make a little stopper out of a single 4x4 length of wood. You could cut 2 notches into it so you drop it on top of the rail, the rail slides into it, and the back will rest against those small circle 1" pipes or the sleeper bar, that way anything that hits it will stop and you wont have to slow it down. Plus it wouldnt be permanent, so you could just pick it up and drop it wherever you want the wagons to stop along the rail
Hurrah!
Thank-you!
Very impressive
You should build a small Locomotive to pull all your wagons
Tim, love your channel. I wonder why you couldnt just build one of those pump lever engines. Easy to stop and easier to build than a pneumatic engine I suspect. I wish i could afford to patreon your channel, but cannot until my finances improve. Good luck.
Tim, continual pressure is on you to produce "an engine" (presumably carbon-fired) to push/pull these wagons, but I realise that, as the "great, heavy lump" that you are, you have addressed these issues in the clockwork donut cart.
You need an escape mechanism (you are proficient in that), a ratchet (ditto), and a long plank (ditto again).
Put these together and I can see you, or Sandra, or better yet, any kid not at school when they should be, failing that a well-trained dog or two, at one end of the line hopping on and off the plank repeatedly. The plank's leverage translates this exchange of kinetic energy to ratchet a weight to its full potential.
Hop off the plank the last time, release the brake, and the clockwork mechanism translates the potential energy to kinetic, and the trolley makes its lumbering way to the other end of the line where you put down your currant bun and mug of tea, shovel in a load, hop on and off the plank a few times, release the brake ...
In case you are wondering what size rock you would need as a weight, the answer is at hand: The skip/container load of material is its own reservoir of potential energy. You are levering the load up a foot or so, and as the load descends it propels the wagon forwards. With a smile on your face you pick up your currant bun ...
Cheers Chris
It's a neat idea, Chris, and I did some experiments along those lines (mostly involving tea and buns), but not enough to be confident about building a full-size version. Feel free to make one yourself and share it though. : - )
Perfect for the garlic garden ....