NEW Stingray Special VS OLD Stingray - WHO WINS?
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In this video I’m doing a full comparison of the new Ernie Ball Music man Stingray Special and my Old Musicman Stingray. I compare all the different frequency ranges and settings in many different styles.
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IMHO, new version of Stingray has smoother and mellower midrange than the old one…I think that’s why it has more ‘open’ sound. I like both of them, but my choice is the old version; it has more agressive ‘bite’.
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I like this comment because i just bought the "old" stingray just before the new one came out😂
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@@jackfitzgerald5291 I did the same thing :)
Yes it seems the new one has less clarity. I wonder if its the difference in the neck or possibly aluminum vs steel tuners
The new doesn't snore like the old. There are more gain and also bass... Great sound! But the oldest still has characteristics that better define stingray.
I think the main reason I prefer the new one in this demo is that you have it set up properly. You're getting a lot more fret buzz on the older model.
I gotta agree there. That said the new one does sound more girthy across the board to my ears, probably due to the 18v preamp. I have a 2013 stingray though and have played the specials in store and I wouldn't say the specials were made for Stingray lovers to upgrade but rather to entice stingray detractors to give them a shot due to a lot of the ergonomic and aesthetic upgrades. It's more competitive in the modern bass market but nobody should be throwing away their old Rays
he uses the old one for slapping more than the new one so he sets the action lower to slap easier thus allowing fret buzzes to happen
For me that amount of fret buzz on Stingray has always been a "normal characteristic". It's strange, because on most other basses I would not tolerate it, but for Stingrays it just "fits".
The new one is so much more musical. Must. Get. This. Bass.
Only those who don't play through a tube amp would go for the new version the original has unlimited tones more presence and definition the new version sounds like it's playing through a cheap solid state amp but with the original it sounds better through any amp
I was surprised how much different they do sound from each other! The new model seems more clear and defined--less buzzy!
Im suprised how different it sounds. I'd buy the new one.
Now, THAT'S HOW A REVIEW IS DONE! I despise when a reviewer doesn't pay attention to details, such as new/old strings. Also, when a reviewer doesn't PLAY THE SAME PASSAGES, COVERING ALL RANGES OF THE TONAL SPECTRUM. Big thankS, for using simple, rational thinking when it comes to making a comparison/shootout/review video for basses, instead of letting the ego take over, just to end up wanting to play all the 'look at me blaze away' bullshit chops. By playing clean, simple lines that cover the highs/mids/lows in a bass review/comparison, allows me to even distinguish the differences in tone/attack from my cellphone speakers! And, by doing just that, it just tells me that the reviewer is an experienced, mature player that has complete confidence in their skills, and knowledge of pro-quality gear. As a bassist with over 35 years of pro studio/gig experience.....
I'm sub'd for life. Keep up the great work!
THIS!
Thank you for taking the time to do this. The comparisons are big. They're both a Stingray sound but the new one is warmer and rounder sounding generally. The classic one is more aggressive of a sound.
Fingerstyle: New Stingray
Pick: New Stingray
Slap: Old Stingray
The 2018 Stingray is much warmer and more punchy while the old one is brighter and has more clarity. Also that "trebly sizzle" that Stingrays were often associated with seems to be gone in the newer Stingrays which, to me, is a blessing since I hated that sizzle. I like bright basses but not bright to the point where your ears are ringing...that's what loud obnoxious guitarrists who crank their gain are there to do. However, for slapping, brightness is always a plus since the notes become more defined and everything sounds more lively.
I'd compare the old Stingray to a tiger roaring at you, plenty of growl and agressiveness but not really a "threat" that's in your face. The new one is like a lion roar, it's very punchy and you immediately feel the fear rushing through your veins. A lot more bottom end as well.
Totally agree. The old Stingray had that classic "Stingray" slap sound. The new one....sounded like something else.
I agree, but only because of the gain on the new Stingray, it can be reduced a bit and it would sound better as well, basically it's a 3/3 for new Stingray if you ask me, and yes I am surprised to see myself admit that because I thought the old one would be better, I was wrong
Of course, slapper needs more high-mid frequency which is reduced in the new one
I think the new eq is much more useful and it can fix the “minus” with the slap tone
agree
New Stingray got "deeper" and "richer" sound
Which one is your favorite?
NOTE: On both the Fingerstyle and Pick tests, after MID CUT, it should say TREBLE BOOST on the bottom, Not MID BOOST. That is just a mistake on the text.
i prefer the old version
Well you know you can't comapre them. The wood has differnt age, and that makes a lot of difference.
@@wisecountryman49 Ah come on, don't be naïve. The difference between them comes from the different pre-amp (18v vs 9v headroom) and the different pickup. Wood, if even a factor, is barely noticeable among all that.
With the old one, the harmonics sound better without the cut or boost... the slap sound different, I enjoy the old one better. The new one sound less mid and treble focus and more balance, but it still retains the musicman stingray sound. The old one is just the OG sound people know and love from the MMSR, personally I really love the Mids of the old a bit better in my opinion. Me just thinking, I would use the Old one for the studio stuff because you can cut in a mix better, and the new one live, just the reason been I believe the sound guys are going to have an easier job with it. I still love them both... amazing sounding basses. Thanks for a great video Marcelo! Blessings!
I like the new one better. It has more headroom. and more smooth sound. And it weighs less than the old one, it is what I heard about it, I did not play either one.
The NEW one has: 1. much powerful signal // 2. richer tone // 3. much defined (clearer) tone ● I think we have a winner... :)
I agree with the overall tone, for the new Stingray, is stronger.
It's actually the opposite, it's more mellow and has less character if you ask me. The old ones snarl, the new ones are perfect for old timer cover bands and for more boring generic tones.
I think the main difference is the action of the bass.... In the old one the action is a lot lower u can hear a lot of fret buzz that gives the impression of more bite IMO
Sorry fellas engineers want the old school they have unlimited tones the new one is limited in tones
I agree, the new one sounds like a massive improvement
Man. This is a tricky one. I really like both of them.
Like the tightness of the high end on the newest model but torn on the low end . I think the low end on older model cuts through and sounds better. Combine the both of them and you’ll have Bass guitar magic!
The new Stringray definitely sounds more open and bright in any kind of setting. The old Stingray sounds more as if the action is lower then on the new Stingray. I like them both but the sound of the old Stingray has my preference!!
After watching this video again, I still prefer the old Stingray by far. More bite, growl, and presence. That's what made the Stingray so appealing in the first place in IMHO. No worries about getting lost in the mix ever!
Thats what im saying brothehr, not sure what year the old one is tho
I get what you're saying, but imo, the old one has way too much high end and it's grating on the ears.
Ah i love the sound of fretbuzz in the morning.
Facts!
I think the new Special sounds way better. Very clear. I got to play a special 5 string last week and I was amazed by the definition of every note, even on the low B.
Great Review!! Thanks!! I think the New Stinray's definitely has more head room due to 18V preamp. While older stingray sounds more "agressive" I think new Stingray's preamp sounds more "musical" IMO whether eq's cut all the way or boosted all the way, all tones sounds more "useable". Whereas on the old Stingray, certain tones are way too agressive or toned down it's almost unusable.
I am blessed to have an old version of the SR5. I love my old SR5. I like the design and how thet made the new one lighter but for the tone itself.. i prefer the old one. Shout out from the Philippines. Thanks for the review i almost put on sale my old SR5. Lol
I like the new one..more boosted pre-amp, reducing the high-mid freq which sounds more tidy & soft.. great comparison..thanks!
The new sting is less sting. You can love or hate the original, but it's unique.
The new one sounds like many other basses. But the sting has to be not just a bass like others, it has to be the sting!
Love the new one. Sound is tighter and more refined, but still has that Stingray bite. Thanks for doing the comparison!
I think the older one for me. I can get more mid-range out of it from EQ. It was cutting through too much and maybe a problem with mixing it with a track. Thanks for the great demo.
We can see that they reduced a bit the size of the bridge and the sound is more soft, mellow, less mid-trebble... I like it. It's more "fenderish"
I did an interesting experiment. Take the Stingray Special sample with FLAT EQ and make the following adjustments
Level -3.0dB, Peaking EQ f0 = 4500Hz, +9dB, Q=2
(I'm sure with more tweaking I could get a closer match).
The Re-EQ'd Stingray Special sounds a lot like the Old Stingray 3-band sample with FLAT EQ. So I'm guessing they pulled the 2.2nF cap which is across the pickup on the OLD Stingray. The cap contributes to the "OLD" sound.
I like the new one better. Sounded more Punchy all the way around every time you picked it up
Great A/B comparison, very helpful, thank you for that. First impression of the new Stingray is WOW!! The new one sounds so much bigger than the old model, finger style and pick are simply amazing. I have the old Stingray 5 and love it, but really want the new one.
The new Stingray sounds like it would be much more useful in the studio than the classic. Probably more so than even a Fender P-Bass. I really like how they smoothed out the tone.
Personately, I found that first models gets more dynamic !
Good Review, my only criticism is the old Stingray is in need of a set up. Alot more fret buzz than the new one which gives the new one substantially more clarity. Both sound great though! I need one asap!
I listened from a FOH standpoint. If I were mixing the new Stingray I would pay attention to the warmer mids coming from it. Also the new one has a little more mud at the low end. The old Ray is a little more distinctive. If I had to mix for a bass solo, I want you to be playing the old'er bass. Now as a bass player I want the new one. I tried one yesterday. I like the weight, the neck and I'm starting to use the mids alot more and that warm sound from the new one is perfect.
I’ve the old stingray 5 strings with double HH... but this is fabulous too
The new bass is a beast, very difficult to tell the difference, the older model is by far no slouch the new bass is the undisputed champion of this contest in my opinion, because its new enhancements.I would love to own it. The sound is bitching crAzy 😜
Damn. Its almost like youre comparing a Sterling sub to an Ernie Ball. The new one wins in every comparison imo. Deeper, warmer, richer, clearer in every positive way. A clear winner in my book
I believe the older MusicMan sounds better between the two. IMO the newer one doesn't have that true MusicMan sound (as much) based on your video. The new one does sound smooth which is nice, but I prefer the aggressive/punchy sounds of a MusicMan. Flea was the reason I originally bought my SingRay back in 91 (which I still have). Thanks for making this video.
Yes old one has that Louis Johnson sound
Old Stingray sounds better - unless thats what I think ;) take care Bass Wizard ;-)
Old Stingray!!!
I own the classic series but after I watched vdo I love new series more especially during play by pick 😊
The old one for sure, if you want that true classic stingray growl!! All day!!!
The older Stingray is voiced for analog recording where you get treble roll off. I have both as well a ‘78 and 2020.
I just picked up an 04 5H and I think it's the coolest bass I've ever played. Love that aggressive tone!!
I appreciate you posting this, my man. You're a great player. I've owned multiple 'Rays and I always ended up selling or trading them because I just wasn't feeling them. With this refresh, EB addressed almost every "issue" I had with the SR! Your video really highlights how much better the new SR is with most styles. I kind of agree with the poster that said the slap sound wasn't as "tight" with the settings you used, but I'm guessing that's not your preferred slap settings and the new SR can probably dial up a stronger slap tone with that sweet EQ. I just ordered a new SR5HH. Keep killin' it, bro!
I am curious as to how you like your new SR5HH? Have you figured out a way to drastically improve the slap sound? I was pretty sold on the new one until the slap section of this video. I am curious as to your findings.
@@barrylafever Hey. Well, I can definitely say that the slap sound of the new SRS is BEASTLY! If you dial up the "traditional" slap EQ(Bass & Treble boost/Mid cut), It's fantastic. The bass is deeper and the highs aren't as harsh, so the slap tone cuts without being obnoxious. It also seems to work in almost every pickup setting(using full Bass & Treble boost with both pups on can get really BIG, which ain't bad at all, but might skew a mix a little bass-y). It's not as "aggressive" as the old 'Ray, but it still sounds like a StingRay, and, to me, it sounds better...even slapping!
Thank you so much for this very helpful comparison, Marcelo. Great stuff!
Great review, many thanks Marcelo! I had a ´89 Stingray 5 rosewood fingerboard and I now have the Special series Burnt Apple finish with roasted maple fingerboard which definitely takes that to a higher level. Much more versatility, definition and clarity both on stage and in the studio being able to obtain the MM classic sounds as well with the right EQ adjustment, plus the option of mellower tones very useful for R&B, Pop or Jazz & Fusion gigs. The EQ has been improved a lot compared to the old version and it responds better to any minor changes. The new structure changes also boost this new series way ahead the old one, the rounded light weight body , new neck contour, 11" radius fingerboard and 22 frets with a deeper heel allow more accurate execution overall. In your previous clip you mentioned the roasted maple thingy, well the trick is that this is a wood treatment method that opens the fibers, it actually changes the molecular structure of the wood blank making it more resonant by slow drying in a special oven. In other words, it makes a new instrument sound like an old one that has been already dried due to its age. So taking all these details into account I consider the Special series a real upgrade to the old series. In the end it´s the player that makes the real difference. All the best!
Sheesh those string harmonics are something else 🥰
This was great, and definitely helped me make an informed purchase on a Stingray Special 5! The improved comfort of the body was honestly the game-changer for me. I've had Ernie Ball basses in the past, but they've always felt large, bulky, and angular to me, especially as a smaller person used to playing smaller, contoured basses like Warwicks and Spectors. I've always loved the tone, but man, the new Stingray Special body shape has made me a Stingray fanatic again!
hi shout out from the philippines
I like how the Special's preamp has a more refined EQ: the bass isn't as boomy (I love low end, but boosting the extreme lows too much just makes things boomy and indistinct), the midrange is voiced a little higher so that it's not as "honky" (or when cut the scoop isn't as drastic), and the treble is a little lower so that it's not quite as "ice pick-y" when boosted. The regular Stingray probably has a larger variety and more extreme sounds compared to the Special, but overall the Special has both more warmth and clarity in all EQ settings.
Great comparison. You can really hear the differences between the two basses. I wish everyone set their reviews up as logically and effectively.
Harmonics on that new Stingray are something else! I still think I prefer the old one though. I may be biased as I have one...🤔
I feel a better balance when you are changing the EQ with the new one, but every single time you compared both using flat EQ I simply loved the oldest one
The pre-amp on the new Stingray makes it louder than the older Stingray. I personally like the sounds from both models.
Just wish it came in a L-handed version. I'm just learning to play the bass. And I've got a Sterling by Music Man SUB Ray 4, & a Sterling by Music Man Ray 4. I like both very much.
The consistency in your playing is great
Very cool review, one would think it's easy to do it right, but so many don't do a proper comparison like this
My preferences: Fingerstyle: the new one. Slap: the old one. Pick: any as long as there's a mid boost.
When I'll own 2 stingrays, I won't give a f"@K about the diffrences. The sound is bought classic and modern no matter the variant. A stingray will forever be a stingray. Best design ever made, and could go a life long career with 2 of these beautys. Wish you all the best, Mark.
Great video! As the owner of 5 Stingrays dating from 1991 to the new 2018 model, my Fav is the new model. I love the aqua sparkle! My only complaint is I miss the old chunky bridge for aesthetic reasons only :)
The best comparison on the INTERNETZ...I love both...but to me the NEW RAY5 has LESS range with the drastic eq settings. I have the OLD RAY 5 and the NEW RAY 4...they really are different..with the NEW RAYS having more of a core sound, where the OLD RAYS have a wide range of different tones based on settings...Both Stunning instruments.
The old one all day for my ears!! I love that growl !!
Very complete review. Sounds like the old signal is more clean but the new stingray have more presence.
Hi: both are cool. I think the older one sound Is More bright AND the new one has a little More bass. I believe one can tweek the sound as prefered, but if i has yo choose one , i would choose the older version. Thanks for making AND sharing this video. The Lord Jesus bless you.
The "Old school" Ray has that distinct and much coveted..
"Zing, crackle & crunch" no matter how you set the parametric values.
The new school begins to sound like a heated up American Fender Jazz Bass
Hi Marc! your bass reviews are the best of all ! I also love the MM stingray sound
I’d love to compare the stingray special to the classic stingray.
Absolutely how every comparison should be done.
Super tough call to say which is better! The new Ray sound like it has a modern mid boost which is awesome but bringing the bass up made it sloppy to my ear. The old Ray sounds better with the bass up, sounds flatter with the treble down. I like them both and think they're different animals, neither replaces the other.
I would just be happy to get either 😂
I want to upgrade so bad 😁
First of all thank you very much for this comparison. I've been playing bass for 41 years on in my humble opinion I believe what makes a music man is the sound it gives when you slap. That being said, the old Music Man literally killed the new one. It wasn't even close. I just bought my first Stingray 5 2 weeks ago and I purchased it because there is no other base that gives the sound that a music man gives when you thump it. I'm convinced if you going to be a thumper, you got to have a music man because nothing else has that low growl with complete clarity.
I want both!! Im lookin into the old ones first ,then ill get a new one. Thanks for the great review
I like it I just am not loving the pick guard I love the original teardrop pickguard thars on my Tobacco Burst im a Sterling and Music Man fan for life my favorite Bass!!
It looks like Rosewood fretboard on the old one and Ebony on the new one.
I think I prefer the new one, but they should both not make much difference in the mix if not compared side by side
Wish you had adjusted the old StingRay's neck to get rid of excessive fret buzz-it would have sounded better. Congratulations to Ernie Ball for improving the StingRay! I love the metallic paint job-should look killer under stage lights. Thanks for video!!
Having owned a 76 Musicman for years,and having played in many Bars,and medium to large outdoor gig/festival settings my opinion is the older one in every situation, in a real concert setting,the old stinger cuts through in spades anyway.Having said that its each to their own, Exchange the new one for an old school P orJ and youll have the full arsenal.
Prob get the same sound if you add foam to the old one and increase the volume. That extra battery on the new one def gives it more punch.
It almost impossible to tell the difference between the two basses. However you helped crystallized, my decision as to what I want to do. I want that new stingray, the sound is phenomenal and the price is right.
From what I heard from the review I like the new one because it’s more articulate.
Hey Marcelo. I got a EBMM SR5 Special and only an old 3BAnd EQ 4 String SR to compare with...even though my old one got one sting less, the similarities to your comparison are obvious. The Specials sound softer with less high/high mid bite and a bass control, that gets really really boomy if you turn it all the way up.The Special even sounds more old-school than the standard 3Band EQ models to me. Your "old" SR5 has the typical 90`s/early 2000 Rock/Funk tone to me, wich I really like.
Like the sounds out of the newer version.
New stingray sounds perfect👍
Great job comparing these two basses. Pretty subtle differences and I think that I would characterize them differently than less aggressive. I think that the high end is a bit more even and I think that the low end is fuller and more balanced. I have owned three different Stingray 5 basses and I played them because like the aggressive tone so I am glad that that is still intact.
I have the new 4HH Special and love it. Great review, thanks!
Hi Marcelo, definitely the New Stingray has a great improvement in the sound definition. All the textures of tone are outstanding.
The new one is different in many ways starting with the pick ups. Neo pick ups are powerful at many levels and the preamp is quite different. Is another instrument rivaling only by Foderas and Alembics and those basses doesn't have Neo pick ups unless they already did the switch.That's why I bought it and with such short runs for the DarkRay, it was meritorious to hit it with a credit card purchase along with a Mark Bass combo amp loaded with two Neo 10 inch drivers. It was a solid investment.
The Older Sting Ray Sounds Great. It has the bright edge that the Sting Ray is known for. The new is missing the Hi edge. Thanks for the post.
The new one sounds great. There seems to be loads of fret buzz on both basses though.
That's definitely in the setup and not a consistent sound for the guitar. Stingrays tend to have that jangly clanky sound but my SR has zero fret noise/buzz unless I'm really digging in.
Man that new one with a pick sounds fantastic 🎸
IMO every new update to the SR5 has done something to tame the pre-amp a little and make them have a smoother sound/less aggressive. They’re are starting to sound more and more like a really, really good jazz bass. Not a bad thing, but not the super aggressive ceramic pup SR5 tone I love.
The EQ cut across the board sounds way less drastic with the new one though which I think is a good choice. When you cut the mids on the old one your sound dies!
I'm most interested in the Stingray Special with flat wounds but I can't find any examples any place on the webs. Anyone have the hook up?
So I am struggling. I have a 1976 stingray which I love for slapping and stopped playing it because I feel like I lose the roundness on the g string when finger playing. I thought something was wrong with the pickup. I just picked up a 5 string 2014 stingray. And in a live scenario just like my 1976 the g string gets lost (too thin) 1. does anybody notice this characteristic? 2. Does anybody, including Marcelo think the new Special H addresses this concern?
The new one... And not just because mine delivers Tuesday lol. I think the new one picked up a rounder tone but still has the magic Music Man tone. It's flat tone more like how I eq my current MM with a smidge more low mixed in. Really dug the side by side comparison. Tuesday can't get here fast enough...
I personally prefer the sound of the new Stingray more. It does what I like about the classic Stingray but seems more balanced. Less of that Clavinet tonality on top. I actually preferred the MusicMan Sterling for the same reason. But I wonder if the value of the classic Stingray will go up now.
The new one is way more mid heavy, louder and clearer. I'd say it's far more versatile, but the hyper gnarly terbely sound on the old one is part of the charm of a stingray. In a lot of times it's unwelcome, like in jazz, but it's a sound I honestly love.
Hi Marcelo, nice comparison done well as usual. !
Honestly I prefer the old Stingray because I find it fuller, more mid-bass than the new one which seems louder and focused on the mid-highs.
This of course is just my humble opinion.
See you soon and keep it up.
Stingray Special have more mid low
Thanks a lot for answering the our questions, Marcelo!
I surely can hear a lot more mids on the new stingray, and a little less treble (the old one sounds almost scooped in comparision, set flat).
Also, I would say the mid voicing in the new preamp is more low mid focused, while the old preamp is more hi mid oriented.
I guess you could say the old one is a tiny bit more agressive while the new one is a little more vesatile.
The new one has a litle more gain too (18v versus 9v).
They’re both great in their own character! Thanks for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old all the way!! I love the look of the new ones, but thank god I got mine when I did.
New model: more precision, more picked or exactly notes, but the older sound has more sustain. Great basses that two, but the old model has something... i take the older. Thanks, man, good job
Thanx, for this. I truly am interested. I have a older 4H. your older model reminds of that. The new model is the one I would gravitate towards. More overall controlled sonically. I believe the newer pickups & slight changes in the preamp, w/the addition of 18 volts. Give a tighter sound. I always thought StingRays were slightly “bass shy”, straight out of the bass. The new model is the new king. Hopefully I can purchase a 5HH. Note:I’ve heard Leo designed the original preamp w/that high end, because @ that time he was losing some of his hearing.
The old stingray sounds thin. New stingray sounds fuller. Definitely prefer the new one. Great video dude!
dude really enyoing your channel! thats how you do a good review!