@@jaxsonevans7796 well after he killed the main villains he gave up the punisher spider. And lived a nice life. Granted frank castle found the suite after losing his family so you can see what happened next 👀
I mean that really is the problem with superhero morality. Like, yeah obviously normal people can't just go around shooting muggers and petty thieves. So in real life, yeah it's a good lesson. However, in most comics, the fact the heros DONT kill their super villains is worse than leaving them alive. Green Goblin has killed thousands. He always, ALWAYS, escapes jail. He won't be reformed either. And that's a true statement for most of spidermans rouges gallery, if not all of comics. Although honestly, Batman is a worse example of how actually absurd this gets. Joker has killed millions of people and has expressly said he will no stop until Batman offs him.
I really like how everything lead up to Frank becoming the real Punisher in the end. I love stories like that, where the deviation actually creates a Canon event.
@@samuelhunter4631 Plus Gwen is alive, I genuinely think Peter would be smart enough to just figure out a way to make his community more secure instead trying to fight it as Spider-Man.
@@MGrey-qb5xz That's easy work for punisher. I'd take crips & bloods over the green goblin any day. Besides, Luke Cage, DareDevil and Iron Fist are still out in New York as well, they can handle a few nameless thugs with ease
I'm not a comic reader but I was literally thinking the other day about a Punisher version of Spider-Man and what that would look like but I never knew it was a actual thing in the comics so honestly this is pretty cool
You seriously need to change that I’m a real picky reader but some stuff just hits -John Constantine hell blazer -black orchird -swamp thing -the phantom stranger -daredevil (think I read some of the 90s or “the man without fear” run) -punisher (he has a lot of one shots or “specials “ which are stories that don’t need previous context or continuation or even continuity and is it’s own story )
I am often critical about stories used in comics, too often clichè or too childish... but this one seems to be perfect to me. There is a beginning and an end with a great character development and the conclusion is very mature and sober. Peter choosing his family over the needs of society makes 100% sense and it is not a bitter sweet ending but a relative good ending for the protagonist. I love It.
@@mechamedegeorge6786 He did though. It's a good ending for the Main character Peter Parker. He has his family members and doesn't have to worry about the burden of being the Punishing Spider. Frank Castle instead carries on this burden as the Punisher.
Steve Rogers becoming deadpool could work like him getting reject from the super soldier serum so he goes to some shotty place for the deadpool thing and vice Verda with wade going to super soldier serum for a cure, yeah timelines don’t add up but shut up
I always likes the idea of a darker Spider-Man, both visually and character-wise. His powers make him perfect for stealth and brutality. He could really be incredibly deadly even without an arsenal of weapons.
I still have that issue at home, it was one of the reasons why I went back to reading "What If..?" Series when it returned back in 2018. I remember there is another one with What If Flash Thompson became Spider-Man.
This makes me like assassin Spidey even more. He didn’t stop killing, he got better at it, to the point his spider sense predicted moves before they’re even made 😂
Ironically I came up with some similar ideas this year but I know this is already been done before anyway. My idea was Spider-Man starts turning into a spider kind of like in the movie The fly. So the Punisher wants to take him out not just because he was starting to kill innocent people but also as an act of mercy. However Venom steps in and wants to prevent that, one part still feeling a type of brother like connection to Peter Parker and then also thinking that's a deserving fate for spider-man. Man Spider ends up killing Eddie Brock, and a combination of injuries from Venom and The Punisher finishes off the man spider. But then the Symbiote bonds with Frank Castle who being strong-willed, is able to refuse that Bond, however because of Grievous injuries Castle is probably about to die so only the Symbiote would keep him alive and then also provide him with natural weaponry and basically a Venom form of the Punisher continues his Onslaught against criminals. A Marvel what if tail and I think it's been done but my idea was slightly different and then I had another idea as well.
My secondary idea is that somebody kills spider-man. They find his broken body in Alleyway having fallen from a web swing, something attacked him. The punisher, normally discourage against the mafia and low powered criminals, then decides to go completely through Spider-Man's Rogues gallery to find out who the actual killer is, killing, maiming along the way. I wasn't quite sure who the final villain should be but I have a few ideas I want to keep it a secret in case I ever do write it. Oh Venom is in this too, but he's not the final villain he's actually just kind of stalking The Punisher while he goes through the Rogues gallery. He wants to know the actual killer as well, so he can seek revenge. After all Spider-Man was his arch enemy and former symbiotic partner. Not all Spider-Man's enemies were Pure Evil, so the Punisher didn't kill all of them but he's definitely brutally questioned them, but even if they survived Venom might have came around and finish them off.
for spiderman himself all the same people end up near death or dead in very similar ways to the regular spiderman. but with most, if not all, the villians spiderman faces in the main story dead the lives of various passerby are saved in far greater number imo in other words Punisher Spider-Man is more effective but also suffers more self-doubt
The Marvel universe made an oopsie, so it made up for it by giving Peter a successful life while giving Frank all his endgame gear as if to make up for lost time.
I like how the spiders always look like Spidermans costumes, like how with The Weaver, their spider was a yellow and black orb weaver, or how this one's is white and black with a skull pattern on the abdomen
Killing super villains, crime bosses, murderers, etc, while just sending nameless grunts that simply made a bad decision to jail, is the best compromise.
Jonah Jameson; " You know maybe this new Spider man is all right. The crimes gone way down. All though the more heinous criminals were killed with bats and sledgehammers.
People really will believe what they want, even when the comic they're complementing disagrees. Peter started the killing to honor Uncle Ben, who last I checked was very anti-killing. Peter stopped the killing because he "almost botched" making his life with his girlfriend, even saying he was done with vengeance. The story ends with the Punisher about to do what Peter said he was never going to do again, perpetuating the killing.
I always did like this what if version of spider man not only cause he’s badass and epic because of his suit BUT also he gets a happy ending he lives peacefully and even still lives with Gwen which is ironic when you think about it a lot
I don't think this will happen because Sony no longer owns the rights to The Punisher but would it be cool if we got a punishing spider movie or just have the punishing spider appear in across the spider verse and Beyond the spider-verse
They should Re. Release the original What if stories,I would Love to see that.or the Original Secret Wars.But my personal favorite is the INFerno series.❤❤❤❤
Given how Joker was seen as a problematic when it was about to go in theathers, imagine a movie where Spidey kills all his villains and has a good life, manages to save Gwen and lead a happy life. Shit would hit the fans and "preachers" of social medias would all say it's a problematic movie and you should forgive killers blablabla Never happening
The whining about a game that constantly is trying to adjust to adapt and be better I hope never changes the attitude of Second Dinner to the point that they stop the OTAs as they are doing it now. I've never seen a game do what this one does. And Cozy I spent the weekend watching your old content and it's still relevant. If I'm you I keep mentioning them so new players can reach back and get a lot of help and laughter as well. Listening to old Snapchats as I play is what I enjoy doing as much you guys enjoy what you do. Many blessings
is it me or does spider man get a happier ending for being a killer? i feel there should have been a part where he gets chased by police for being a killer, there should have been more consequences.
Yeah! It feels like his greatest punishment for being a mass murderer was getting on Gwen Stacy’s nerves…but her even being alive is a massive improvement?
This seems more like a new york problem though like despite full serious spider man these gangs keep endlessly spawning. Is some entity actually manufacturing them or something...
I don’t see how it is critical, in the end Peter is able to live a happy life with his loved ones. The canon Peter is always miserable, if anything this Peter got a good ending
@@Saffy2099: Killing causes more misery and harm, plus that fear that inspires also looms over the people a Hero ‘kills’ to protect. Every death is a tragedy for someone out there.
The normal thugs in this universe ended up becoming much more violent and willing to murder people due to the fact that this Spider-Man was just gonna end up killing them if they were caught it seems
Spiderman who is Stronger than Captain America can easily kill all villains in his comics by just Punching them. This can hold Tons easily also acrobatic. Give him guns he can fight against Thor, Hulk. Put a random marvel villain can defeat it. Spidermans only weakness is holding his punches against villains. Spiderman is Thor level superhero writers giving him plot weaknesses, to take him on streets.
This is a cool idea, but I think he’s more powerful without guns. If guns were a real problem for his villains the police probably would have already shot and killed them.
You said this is a story where spider man misinterpreted uncle ben word What if he didn’t and the original spiderman actually is the one who misinterpreted what uncle ben
Funny how Peter killing his villains solved all his problems and save his girlfriend.
Yeah I see nothing wrong with a hero TRYING to negotiate with the villain. But in almost every super hero verse they escape and kill more people.
Then there's the gang wars. So technically it was only a matter of time before he would lose everything.
@@jaxsonevans7796 well after he killed the main villains he gave up the punisher spider. And lived a nice life. Granted frank castle found the suite after losing his family so you can see what happened next 👀
@@jlopez240gaming7 goofy ughh pfp
I mean that really is the problem with superhero morality.
Like, yeah obviously normal people can't just go around shooting muggers and petty thieves. So in real life, yeah it's a good lesson.
However, in most comics, the fact the heros DONT kill their super villains is worse than leaving them alive. Green Goblin has killed thousands. He always, ALWAYS, escapes jail. He won't be reformed either. And that's a true statement for most of spidermans rouges gallery, if not all of comics. Although honestly, Batman is a worse example of how actually absurd this gets.
Joker has killed millions of people and has expressly said he will no stop until Batman offs him.
I really like how everything lead up to Frank becoming the real Punisher in the end. I love stories like that, where the deviation actually creates a Canon event.
I see this as a win for Peter, he wiped out all his opps; the only thing left are just some normal criminals that he could easily wipe out.
Surprising how much of Peter's problems could be solved with a mf gun...
@@samuelhunter4631 Plus Gwen is alive, I genuinely think Peter would be smart enough to just figure out a way to make his community more secure instead trying to fight it as Spider-Man.
who seem to never stop coming out of the wood works
@@MGrey-qb5xz That's easy work for punisher. I'd take crips & bloods over the green goblin any day. Besides, Luke Cage, DareDevil and Iron Fist are still out in New York as well, they can handle a few nameless thugs with ease
@@Sajin_ semi win but crime is never ending and he got out while he could
I'm not a comic reader but I was literally thinking the other day about a Punisher version of Spider-Man and what that would look like but I never knew it was a actual thing in the comics so honestly this is pretty cool
Castle also gets war machine armor. Iron man/war machine punisher
@@houseofchinn6112 I know that but since that's the case I really like to see that in the armor Wars movie
You seriously need to change that I’m a real picky reader but some stuff just hits
-John Constantine hell blazer
-black orchird
-swamp thing
-the phantom stranger
-daredevil (think I read some of the 90s or “the man without fear” run)
-punisher (he has a lot of one shots or “specials “ which are stories that don’t need previous context or continuation or even continuity and is it’s own story )
its the new update for UA-cam, they track what your thinking to find what you want to watch lol (this is a joke obviously)
@@liamkenewell2635 no it isn't
Can’t believe I’ve never heard of this story. The twist at the end is ridiculously cool, with Peter being the reason Frank Castle became who he is
I mean...not exactly. Not like he causes their deaths or anything.
i haven’t read a single comic in my life and your vids still entertain me lmao
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Same
I am often critical about stories used in comics, too often clichè or too childish... but this one seems to be perfect to me. There is a beginning and an end with a great character development and the conclusion is very mature and sober. Peter choosing his family over the needs of society makes 100% sense and it is not a bitter sweet ending but a relative good ending for the protagonist. I love It.
Man you corny
When you dont watch the full video
@@mechamedegeorge6786 He did though. It's a good ending for the Main character Peter Parker. He has his family members and doesn't have to worry about the burden of being the Punishing Spider. Frank Castle instead carries on this burden as the Punisher.
I think this is one of my favorite stories in What If.
This is actually really well thought out-
Especially the ending, looping back round to the Punisher.
I was half expecting Castle to crash into the alley while accidentally getting bit by a radioactive spider...
Spider Man acting like The Punisher is cursed af. It would be like if Deadpool started acting like Captain America.
well now i am sure somebody will make a "WHAT IF... WADE WILSON BECAME CAPTIAN AMERICA" that or what if steve rogers became deadpool.
@@jet1977 since comics are literally endless (At least in DC/Marvel), i can see that happening.
Steve Rogers becoming deadpool could work like him getting reject from the super soldier serum so he goes to some shotty place for the deadpool thing and vice Verda with wade going to super soldier serum for a cure, yeah timelines don’t add up but shut up
immortal partiot? that jokes all to time to keep moral high, AND likes chimichangas! I say yes to that!
@@jet1977 Why not Captain Canada or something... he is canadian, right?
I always likes the idea of a darker Spider-Man, both visually and character-wise. His powers make him perfect for stealth and brutality. He could really be incredibly deadly even without an arsenal of weapons.
I know it is overplayed by now but what if Peter had his own Batman who laughs event.
@@Kingsnorelaxspider goblin?
Compared to some of the fates Spidey has suffered over the years, that was actually a relatively positive ending!
0:38 i legit thought he was going to say batman
I still have that issue at home, it was one of the reasons why I went back to reading "What If..?" Series when it returned back in 2018. I remember there is another one with What If Flash Thompson became Spider-Man.
I would love to see a Jonah is Right Spider-man where Spidey actually is a menace to society and hires criminals for him to defeat so he looks heroic.
That's superior spiderman
I'd love to see Jonah be Spiderman
@@silvergiovanni5336 now thatd be awesome, imagine hes normal spiderman and he just goes to criticize himself in the press when hes jonah lmao
@@silvergiovanni5336funny recent comics have one
Dr. Evil: "How 'bout no, you crazy, Dutch bastard!"
Spider man when the doom music hits
This makes me like assassin Spidey even more. He didn’t stop killing, he got better at it, to the point his spider sense predicted moves before they’re even made 😂
My favorite characters combined
Me too lol
Ironically I came up with some similar ideas this year but I know this is already been done before anyway. My idea was Spider-Man starts turning into a spider kind of like in the movie The fly. So the Punisher wants to take him out not just because he was starting to kill innocent people but also as an act of mercy. However Venom steps in and wants to prevent that, one part still feeling a type of brother like connection to Peter Parker and then also thinking that's a deserving fate for spider-man. Man Spider ends up killing Eddie Brock, and a combination of injuries from Venom and The Punisher finishes off the man spider. But then the Symbiote bonds with Frank Castle who being strong-willed, is able to refuse that Bond, however because of Grievous injuries Castle is probably about to die so only the Symbiote would keep him alive and then also provide him with natural weaponry and basically a Venom form of the Punisher continues his Onslaught against criminals. A Marvel what if tail and I think it's been done but my idea was slightly different and then I had another idea as well.
My secondary idea is that somebody kills spider-man. They find his broken body in Alleyway having fallen from a web swing, something attacked him. The punisher, normally discourage against the mafia and low powered criminals, then decides to go completely through Spider-Man's Rogues gallery to find out who the actual killer is, killing, maiming along the way. I wasn't quite sure who the final villain should be but I have a few ideas I want to keep it a secret in case I ever do write it. Oh Venom is in this too, but he's not the final villain he's actually just kind of stalking The Punisher while he goes through the Rogues gallery. He wants to know the actual killer as well, so he can seek revenge. After all Spider-Man was his arch enemy and former symbiotic partner. Not all Spider-Man's enemies were Pure Evil, so the Punisher didn't kill all of them but he's definitely brutally questioned them, but even if they survived Venom might have came around and finish them off.
for spiderman himself all the same people end up near death or dead in very similar ways to the regular spiderman. but with most, if not all, the villians spiderman faces in the main story dead the lives of various passerby are saved in far greater number imo
in other words Punisher Spider-Man is more effective but also suffers more self-doubt
"The harm it could cause to his life"
Aka less harm than being normal spiderman
"With great power comes great responsibility," *pulls out gun*
Uncle Ben never said the great power and great responsibility line in the comics
Imagine batman: the punisher and the spiderman: punisher meeting each other
Funny Batman and Frank Castle meet each Another in the 90 There the punisher comes to Gotham
0:58
^ Absolutely love this comic❕🕷️🕸️
The Marvel universe made an oopsie, so it made up for it by giving Peter a successful life while giving Frank all his endgame gear as if to make up for lost time.
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I like how the spiders always look like Spidermans costumes, like how with The Weaver, their spider was a yellow and black orb weaver, or how this one's is white and black with a skull pattern on the abdomen
This is fucking badass.
Good vid keep up the good work
The lesson Batman try to teach Jason in Batman: Under The Red Hood.
No matter the universe Peter Parker always becomes a Spider something. 😂
*ending of across the Spiderverse laugh*
Killing super villains, crime bosses, murderers, etc, while just sending nameless grunts that simply made a bad decision to jail, is the best compromise.
wow a story where Peter gets a good ending
Punisher: *exists*
His family: ah sh!t here we go again
If he becomes The Punisher, he becomes The Dark Knight with super power
Batman doesn't kill
I love how this works as a what if story and a prequel to The Punisher.
Jonah Jameson; " You know maybe this new Spider man is all right. The crimes gone way down. All though the more heinous criminals were killed with bats and sledgehammers.
Frank Castle can't ever be happy
People really will believe what they want, even when the comic they're complementing disagrees. Peter started the killing to honor Uncle Ben, who last I checked was very anti-killing. Peter stopped the killing because he "almost botched" making his life with his girlfriend, even saying he was done with vengeance. The story ends with the Punisher about to do what Peter said he was never going to do again, perpetuating the killing.
Uncle Ben was a soldier. Don't pin your "no killing" badge on men who know when to pull a damn trigger.
Spider-Man if he was written by Zack Snyder
So this is that Spiderman variant that we saw in that solid JJ video
I always did like this what if version of spider man not only cause he’s badass and epic because of his suit BUT also he gets a happy ending he lives peacefully and even still lives with Gwen which is ironic when you think about it a lot
Bro why do you look exactly like me we can finally share costco memberships
Spider-Man as the Punisher would be scary as hell considering how strong he is. 😂
Notice the blood stain on that kids kite formed the Punisher's insignia? There's got to be some irony in there.
This story is literally the cliff notes version of silver age spiderman.
Can you also do a video on Frost Giant Thor?
I don't think this will happen because Sony no longer owns the rights to The Punisher but would it be cool if we got a punishing spider movie or just have the punishing spider appear in across the spider verse and Beyond the spider-verse
0:34 I legit thought he would say batman
Honestly one of my favorite Spider-man suits. Please put this in a Spider-man game
Soon.
Badass spider man
I LOVE the ending it's so awesome. Another mans trash is another mans REVENGE!
Man every video you post is amazing.
What brand and model are your sunglasses? I dig them.
ironically the story where spiderman just kills all his opps is the one that causes him the least grief
THAT ENDING HOLY
Never heard of it. It's actually pretty cool, I liked it
we need more Punishing Spider, like more comics about him
best version of spidey
Peter Parker becoming the punishes feels like a columbine kid fanfik.
That part where you showed the Andrew Garfield quote made me have ptsd from getting that iconic scene ruined
Cool vid bro.😺
Hey Man you should do a video of your all time favorite comic/graphic novels of all time !
Badass
They should Re. Release the original What if stories,I would Love to see that.or the Original Secret Wars.But my personal favorite is the INFerno series.❤❤❤❤
2:20 amogus
This was an interesting what if. Never heard of this till now.
Does that mean Frank Castle gets bit by a spider?
0:11 wasn't this speech from the ultimate comics?
Man I kinda wanna see more of this timeline
It's so cool 😭
This would be an INCREDIBLE other/elseworlds film but it’s too “risky” for Hollywood
Given how Joker was seen as a problematic when it was about to go in theathers, imagine a movie where Spidey kills all his villains and has a good life, manages to save Gwen and lead a happy life. Shit would hit the fans and "preachers" of social medias would all say it's a problematic movie and you should forgive killers blablabla
Never happening
Spiderman gets to be everyone. Especially with the clone army of miles morales.
The plosives absolutely wreck your mic. It hurts to listen to, even with a nice editing..
Man you look like daredevil
The whining about a game that constantly is trying to adjust to adapt and be better I hope never changes the attitude of Second Dinner to the point that they stop the OTAs as they are doing it now. I've never seen a game do what this one does.
And Cozy I spent the weekend watching your old content and it's still relevant. If I'm you I keep mentioning them so new players can reach back and get a lot of help and laughter as well. Listening to old Snapchats as I play is what I enjoy doing as much you guys enjoy what you do.
Many blessings
is it me or does spider man get a happier ending for being a killer?
i feel there should have been a part where he gets chased by police for being a killer, there should have been more consequences.
Yeah! It feels like his greatest punishment for being a mass murderer was getting on Gwen Stacy’s nerves…but her even being alive is a massive improvement?
That's the point, normal peter is all about not killing and getting more people killed,this guy don't give a fuck he kill his opps and less people die
you'd think that the crime rate would go down when people realized there's like a 50% chance they would just die after every crime they commit.
It would not
As far as "Spiderman with a gun" variations go I still like Noir the best.
Fast as god baby!
Reminds me of symbiote black suit spiderman in SM Web of Shadows.
Hey mullet remember me i have a request can you talk about bat-mite batsman’s biggest fan
This seems more like a new york problem though like despite full serious spider man these gangs keep endlessly spawning. Is some entity actually manufacturing them or something...
Actually, in a what if comic it shows the gangs are manufactured from a factory of demons in New York
@@jhinwick5251 lol sure buddy
@@MGrey-qb5xz 💀💀
Can you do a video about forget-me-not
Lore of Spider-Man Becomes The Punisher momentum 100
So, in this continuity, Frank knew about the Punishing Spider?
Why in the end the ‘No Killing’ code, is critical.
I don’t see how it is critical, in the end Peter is able to live a happy life with his loved ones. The canon Peter is always miserable, if anything this Peter got a good ending
@@Saffy2099: Killing causes more misery and harm, plus that fear that inspires also looms over the people a Hero ‘kills’ to protect. Every death is a tragedy for someone out there.
@@thedarkknight727 Most of his, batmans etc. issues would have been solved if they killed their villains
@@thedarkknight727 Well normal thugs shouldn't be killed, but a supervillain with dangerous powers should, most of the time they are irreedmable
The normal thugs in this universe ended up becoming much more violent and willing to murder people due to the fact that this Spider-Man was just gonna end up killing them if they were caught it seems
Would have been cool is the punisher became a version of venom mad at the punishing spider for not saving his family.
I wouldn't mind this spiderman in sony universe now it's gonna get bloody
Spider-Bat!
I like how this story (in)directly proves that Gwen Stacy is a better love interest than Mary Jane since she isn't in this story at all.
No
Whoa
Spiderman who is Stronger than Captain America can easily kill all villains in his comics by just Punching them. This can hold Tons easily also acrobatic. Give him guns he can fight against Thor, Hulk. Put a random marvel villain can defeat it. Spidermans only weakness is holding his punches against villains. Spiderman is Thor level superhero writers giving him plot weaknesses, to take him on streets.
2:12 why is green goblin lactating through his shirt?
This is a cool idea, but I think he’s more powerful without guns. If guns were a real problem for his villains the police probably would have already shot and killed them.
yeah, peters strong enough to snap their necks, the guns are just redundant
@@cleanchimera3870I think it’s to make killing easier for him mentally. It’s less personal when you use a gun
But that would be cool seeing him use gun-kata.
You said this is a story where spider man misinterpreted uncle ben word
What if he didn’t and the original spiderman actually is the one who misinterpreted what uncle ben
Everyone! We need to ask Insomniac to put the Punishing-Spider suit in Spider-Man 2 PS5!
Where can i read this?