KSP - NASAs Dragonfly Mission to Titan & SMART re-use in RSS / RO
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- NASAs Dragonfly is a rotorcraft drone mission to Titan. Here, I've recreated it the best that I can in KSP with the RSS/RO mod suite, as well as ULAs SMART Re-use system, with mid-air helicopter recovery!
The likely launch vehicle for the mission is the Vulcan Centaur. The trajectory I'm not entirely certain on - this is going off of the original 2026 E-V-E-E trajectory, which I think will be similar for the 2027 launch. (but I don't have the NASA computer to calculate it)
It's similar to an Atlas V, but it now has the Centaur V upper stage, with 2x RL-10Cs, and uses Blue Origins BE-4 methalox engines, that are recovered and re-used on further flights.
Dragonfly is a rotorcraft designed to take advantage of Titans unique characteristics - a lower gravity than Earth, yet a thicker atmosphere means it's perfect for flying drones around - much further and faster than the Mars rovers!
Game: Kerbal Space Program
Modpack: Real Solar System & Realism Overhaul
Awesome mission patch by Tolbachik, check them out! www.deviantart.com/tolbachik/...
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Contents:
0:00 Intro and prelaunch
0:40 Launch
1:50 ULA SMART Re-use
3:21 Payload deployment
5:15 Flyby sequence
6:48 Arrival at Saturn
7:20 Entry Interface
8:55 Dragonfly deployment - Ігри
Hey all!
Decided to try something a bit different this time around. Took quite a bit longer than usual for an 11 minute video, but I think it was worth it!
For those wondering about Terminal Velocity, don't worry. It will return as well - I'm aiming to do bi-weekly episode releases of the usual length. I'll post the updated intro along with the release date of EP18...soon.
I have to know what camera tool and visual mods your using????? This makes ksp look absolutely stunning mine looks like trash compared to this my God
@@shanemeyer9224 RSSVE for the main planet/cloud/atmosphere visuals, TUFX for some post processing, Katniss Cape Canaveral + Tundra launchpads for the space center, and finally a little bit of glow/light ray filters in editing. (like during Titan descent)
Amazing how he did this all without a Tylo gravity assist.
The rotation of the RSS earth gave the same amount of free delta v so it’s ok (joke)?
@@fork9001 the earth rotates?! I thought the sun just went around it! (Yes)
Love the little detail of the methane lakes being illuminated off in the distance at 8:05.
According to Dr. Zibi Turtle, Principal Investigator, they actually won’t be visible when dragonfly lands bc the poles will be in seasonal darkness. 😭
That’s too bad because the only photo I want from Titan is one of those gorgeous seas. I mean it’s the only other celestial body with stable surface liquids and you don’t plan a mission when it’s most defining feature is visible? Ahh well. Beggars can’t be choosers.
Hopefully we’ll get some amazing photos from Dragonfly.
Ah that's too bad, it would be pretty awesome to see. But if it's only seasonal darkness, maybe we'll see them eventually?
@@fork9001 😳
Splendid planning, execution, camera work, editing, everything. You deserve many, many more views! Hope you don't stop here 👀😛
Thank you! I hope to get there, some day. You're pretty much the main spark that set me on this path of making these!
I definitely don't plan to stop here - going to do some more Terminal Velocity, plus a few "special" episodes, which will be either unique missions like these, or stunts like the Saturn V to X ones.
Magnificent! It seems so crazy that this will only be the second Titan lander in history.
Yeah it is. Titan seems like a very cool place, although the difficulty in getting there is probably the reason why.
And enceladus
Ok that transition for arriving at Saturn was just way too cool
Heh, thank you! :) it's a fun one.
Pretty solid mission!
Love the CH-53 recreation.
Thank you!
Heh, that CH-53e with the parachute catch was almost as tricky as Dragonfly itself, but it turned out nicely!
One of the best KSP videos I’ve seen in a while , very underrated channel, keep going man!
Thank you! I appreciate it. It'll take some time to produce content, but I will absolutely keep going.
Certainly one of the KSP videos I've seen
Awesome job, mate. Fantastic execution! Cheers!
- CM
Thank you! That means a lot to me.👍
@@TDChannelKSP My pleasure! And well deserved!
Indeed
-M
Absolutely beautiful. it's a crime for this video to not have 1k+ views, in my opinion it deserves MUCH more than that.
Absolutely incredible mission and recreation, couldn't have been happier with it!
This looks so professional. Good job!
Wow, you are great at telling a story and keeping me engaged
Those cinematic shots are amazing - great video!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Beautiful! And I love that you used Vulcan Centaur not many people showcase the Vulcan in KSP
More of these types of video please-very good!
Another great production!
This is amazing!
Amazing video!
Great vid!
i think we're just in a lack of informations of titan's surface, that is why it isn't detailed
Fantastic video! Keep it up!
Thank you. I will!
Thank you. Wow, that is amazing. Your best work jet. To the next decade it will be wild.
I know this mission won’t arrive until I’m 30, but it’s going to be worth the wait and I know it. 😌
Well, this presentation was really impressive. You've done an amazing job with the filming and editing and all the post stuff, too. This mission is near and dear to my heart so I have about a trillion questions. I've flown this mission in both JNSQ and KSRSS @ 2.5x, both a far cry from RO/RSS, but yeah - it's a captivating mission. I originally built an Atlas V 522, as that was the last rocket I'd seen in the press. Then I saw your reddit (?) post with the Vulcan and decided to try that, too. Both versions worked out great and I had a blast. Of course I cheated and did a hohmann transfer to Saturn because gravity assists in KSP are basically impossible to do like they're doing for this mission! Anyway, great job - really impressive video. My trillion questions are all about peeking behind the curtain but maybe it's best to just enjoy it as shown :) In other news, have you seen the Bumblebee mod? I don't know if there are any RO configs for it, but it's a really pretty model.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, Dragonfly is awesome. Yeah, the Gravity assist path is difficult to plan out - KSPTOT can get you a solution, but it ended up being similar in cost to a direct transfer...
I have seen the Bumblebee mod! Sadly there are no RO configs for it, so I decided to make mine out of 113 procedural parts here, it was more fun this way.
If you'd like to talk about it and have a discord ID, tell me and I can add you!
great video!
I have Kerbin sized RSS for 2 years and haven't visited Titan yet. I just colonized the Moon with 6 stations, being first at Mare Tranquilitatis;), and I have to colonize Ceres after to bring my podracer to Titan. But Mars graphics are glitchy i can tell you. Not supposing Titan would be better than yours. Still a nice footage anyway
Beautiful
Thank you!
very cool
2:57 you can do smart re-use with this so.... Why not try and catch the Electron booster out of mid air too!!! (definitely not a next video suggestion😉)
This FLEX was indeed....TITANic... :D :D
e-v-e-e trajectory you say? Sounds quite familiar to a k-e-k-k-j trajectory
Awsome work!
I love the way you film and edit these videos!
Can i just ask how you manage to make the filming with all these weird angles in ksp?
A lot of the work is done with the Camera tools mod! Things like pathing shots, zoom shots, flyby shots, etc.
@@TDChannelKSP thank you
I asked because I never saw such complexity in other similar videos
Good work!
Amazing camera views😍 which mods do you use to get the shaking and cinematic shots? Honestly this video belongs in a museum, in 6 years, NASA will use this video as a guide to get to titan😀
Haha, that would be pretty cool. Although the look of my cruise stage might be a little outdated by then. (it's the only part that's essentially made up, since I have no real details on it)
Camera tools is the main mod used for the shots themselves. Audio and camera shake was added in post, but camera tools does have a built-in camera shake option for the flyby cam.
@@TDChannelKSP Thanks a lot!
Will We Go To The Kerbol System With Interstellar Technology In 2050?
Are Dres and Saturn Related?
Hemm, no Star 48B for additional boost?
No - I'm not entirely sure what the cruise stage weight is, and the papers I looked at just mentioned the Atlas V 411 as a candidate.
However, Perseverance went to Mars directly & the main thing Dragonfly has to do is get to Venus (or a solar orbit that allows Earth to assist it into Venus the year after), and the gravity assists do the rest of the work, so I'm guessing maybe not?
Best Chanel 2021 an remember US when you will be famus
Thank you. I will!
Why solar panels? Won't Saturn be too far? Why not use the actual Dragonfly's RTG for the flight to Saturn?
How did you make that probe?
Dragonfly itself is made up of 113 parts, mostly procedural parts and B9 procedural wings, and the props are from firespitter.
The cruise stage is built with procedural fairings, and has solar panels from ROSolar (models provided from Near future solar)
Only question I have, how do they expect a small communications dish inside Titan's atmosphere to directly communicate with Earth? There would need to be a relay at the very least.
Yes most likely the lander will relay the telemetry and other comms back to the orbiter which in turn will relay it back to earth. They did the same way back when they sent a lander and an orbiter to Venus for the first time, pretty amazing stuff if you think about it!
@@meinemeier281 I don't think the relay idea would work for Dragonfly - it's a direct aerobrake at Titan, there's no way for a relay to slow down and keep in range.
I checked the official paper: Dragonfly is intended to communicate directly to Earth. (DTE)
dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/News-and-Resources/docs/34_03-Lorenz.pdf
@@TDChannelKSP Interesting, there's probably a good reason for that. Not that I'm educated enough to have an opinion about it, but antennas are relatively heavy right? And don't you think Titan (or atleast its thick atmosphere) will get in the way of the signal? But then again, I would imagine that relaying the data also adds a big delay.
I think Perseverance has done the EDL in relay style, which first relayed it to the Mars reconnaissance orbiter and then to earth. So it IS possible, but maybe not when doing it at Saturn?
@@meinemeier281 Okay, to reply to the points:
>>Antennas are relatively heavy right?
Somewhat. A quick google into a paper shows 100kg for Voyagers communications equipment. But that was several decades ago, and Dragonfly itself is 430kg in total.
>>And don't you think Titan (or atleast its thick atmosphere) will get in the way of its signal
I don't know enough about modern spacecraft telecommunications to comment on this
>>Adds a big delay.
Maybe some, but considering it already takes some 80 minutes for a signal to get from Saturn to Earth or so, it wouldn't matter much.
>>Perseverance
During EDL I'm pretty sure Percy communicated directly, just in a very basic "heartbeat tone" fashion, just to confirm the spacecraft was OK. The MRO was used as a relay whenever it flew overhead to help transmit, but that was launched long before perseverance.
In the case of Saturn, there is no pre-existing relay satellites to aide Dragonfly. It would have to be an additional launch. And you would need additional fuel in order to capture into orbit of Titan, instead of just aerobraking to the surface.
There is no orbiter around Titan/Saturn right now and there isn't any planned for the near future. The only thing they could do is to use the coast stage to relay data from the lander during the entry, descent and landing phase. During that phase Dragonfly cannot use its main high gain antenna to talk directly to Earth, but it will most likely have a short range omni antenna that can talk to the coast stage. The coast stage would have to make a deflection maneuver soon after releasing Dragonfly, so that it flies by Titan instead of entering its atmosphere and burning up. Of course that would be a 'single use' relay, as the coast stage won't have enough delta v to brake into Titan's or even Saturn's orbit.
wait so those boosters are designed to smash into each other and explode after being disconnected?
No - I'm not quite entirely sure what happened here, but IRL they usually drift apart.
where'd you get the configs for the vulcan rocket?
They're WIP configs from a discord user who kindly shared them with me. I'm sure they'll make it into RO itself eventually.
@@TDChannelKSP cool
Awesome video! That audio glitch was just too much lol had to mute the video. Can you go back in and edit it in youtube editor? That's the only issue with this awesome vid
Thanks!
Sorry, could you timestamp where the audio glitch is? You're the first to mention it, and I haven't noticed it before.
Hey where did you get your RO/RSS configs for this mod? Great video BTW!
Dragonfly itself was custom built out of proc parts and firespitter.
The Vulcan was from Hephaistos, with WIP configs from Jceratops. (not sure if there's more up to date configs nowadays)
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TDChannelKSP Hey so I found Jceritops talking about possibly making the configs but couldn't find a link to anything. Do you happen to know where I should look?
@@jacobprice5450 Best thing would be to ask them directly on discord I'd say (assuming you're on one of the RO-related servers, including mine)
0:40 it is Da Vinci's Code theme, right?
While it bears similarity, it's actually "Helios" by Scott Buckley
ua-cam.com/video/BKjJH7ikCcM/v-deo.html
where is the dragonfly motor from??
Firespitter mod
Did you need to create an RO config for it? Mine doesn't show up in rp-1.
@@TDChannelKSP when will you make videos?
What is rss/ro?
Real Solar System / Realism Overhaul - a collection of mods to turn KSPs kerbin system into our real-life solar system with real engines and tank technology.
IS THIS KSP 2 IT IS SOO COOL
Not KSP 2 - just heavily modded KSP 1!
You know full well KSP-2 will not come out for a long time 🙄
Only 500 subs? Wtf UA-cam
Heh. I'll climb eventually I hope, I've just gotta keep making more content and get noticed!
How can I get this game??
You can buy KSP on steam!
store.steampowered.com/app/220200/Kerbal_Space_Program/
This video used a *lot* of mods though. Once you're comfortable with the stock game, you can check out the installation of RSS/RO (gives you the real solar system and realistic parts) here:
github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/RO-&-RP-1-Installation-for-1.10.1
@@TDChannelKSP Can't I get it from any free installation
@@shubhamagarwal8739 That would be piracy, so no.
EDIT: Unless you mean the modpack, not the base game. In which case still no, the install guide is the only way.
@@shubhamagarwal8739 you tryna get the game for free?
@@atomicqxr yup!
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@@TDChannelKSP thanks man
It's a shame this is unlikely to happen irl
Whys that? Unless there's a budget cut it doesn't seem unfeasible.
@@TDChannelKSP I've been into this stuff long enough to have a reasonably good idea of what is and isn't realistically going to happen. But, I'll admit I have no hard evidence that's it's going to be cancelled, it just seems like the most likely option. Also, it kinda reminds me of the Titan Saturn System Mission (TSSM) that got cancelled a while ago.
@@chrisgaming9567 Dragonfly is going to fly. You can't compare it and Titan Saturn System Mission. Dragonfly won the selection process for the fourth New Frontiers class robotic mission in 2019 and it is already in development. TSSM never made it past the proposal phase for a Flagship class mission, as the Europa Jupiter System Mission was given priority. And eventually, EJSM evolved into Europa Clipper.
@@Lewy94999 The previous New Frontiers missions were all far simpler, less ambitious, and probably cheaper, hence why they succeeded. But I admire your optimism. Also, that last part kind of helps to prove my point - Europa Clipper could easily get cancelled too.
@@chrisgaming9567 thankfully your prediction seems to be false, theyre now doing testing of dragonfly at JPL :)
its the 2020s, if anything, dragonfly isnt ambitious enough, we absolutely can pull it off, and we will.
Isn't that dangerous
This mission just seems too big to be possible with conventional rockets. I mean, if we can send a car sized octocopter to a moon of Saturn, then why aren’t we sending equally impressive things to everywhere else??? (the question is rhetorical, I do know why)
That's the magic of gravity assists right there! Just takes so long to get anywhere, but its efficient...
@@TDChannelKSP Indeed! Dragonfly is probably one of my favourite space missions that are in active development. It might even be my favourite favourite.
Though, I personally hold out hope that in my lifetime I’ll see a mission of a similar scale to triton