Thanks! I think it's a great bike. Already plenty of youtube reviews with stats and lots of riding shown. I thought I'd try to focus on what it was like to live with it.
Had a test ride on 2020 790r yesterday, bike is a hoot! Really enjoyed it on the road- plenty fast. Suspension felt outstanding. Off road I’m a relative newbie but what little I did felt fine and controlled. I think I will pull the trigger and get one ( good deals in uk on 790 ) I’m prepared to get any issues sorted as they happen, I have a good dealer. Reckon any minor ( in the big picture ) issues will be worth putting up with, yes it is expensive but once sorted I think it will be an awesome bike. Looked at and rode the T7, is not so cheap now (£9600) and for me would need suspension work & I prefer tubeless rims for an easy life. Also I like the electronics on 790- they really seem to work. Each to their own. Great vid, thanks for sharing.
Great review! You have covered some serious miles. I thought I had ridden a lot with 8500 on mine this year... Anyway, your cruise control issue is likely due to a bad clutch lever switch. You will probably notice that when it acts up you also can't start the bike when in gear. I got mine replaced under warranty. No problems since. (knock wood)
Great review, will pass it on to the friends that have the 7's. Met you out in SD at the Mystic Hills Hideaway and we spoke for a bit... Glad to see you are getting along well with your travels, looks like you are making it back home ok :) Take care
Thank you, for all your great videos and share for the love of riding. I bought the 890r in 2021 of Jan. and so far nothing but miles of smiles. heading back to my ole home town of Snowshoe Wv. to ride in Sept, 2022 Blackwater adventure ride. and spend a few more days riding and more exploring the areas.
New Sub and new 2022 890 Adv S owner here. I know this is an older video but I appreciate the long term ownership video going over the 790 as we all hear the pros & cons in this internet age. I'm prepared for a few challenges as I had a Pan America for a year and a half with it's particular issues. (I had a 2018 -1290 for a short time but it was a bit mahusive for me) Hopefully Kim sorted a few of them in the couple years between the release of the 790 and my second year 890.
I purchased the new KTM 890 Duke. Although not the adventurer , both bikes share the LC8C engine. I’m guessing KTM make a few adjustments to the mapping and torque but was always a little hesitant with KTM with the reliability aspects. I’ve now got 5000km on her trouble free and without doubt the best motorcycle I’ve ever owned. Sure there is smoother and more refined engines out there. But the parallel twin on the Ktm is like nothing else I’ve ridden. Thanks for sharing. As soon as my kids grow up I will be switching to an “adventurer “also. 👍
I’m at 10k on mine. Almost all of the same issues. Still loving every minute of it though. Thanks for taking the time to document. It really helps to plan for how to address potential upcoming issues. I switched to the single front caliper before my last big ride. Couldn’t be happier I did! I’ll be watching the rest of your videos now..
Thanks! It is easier to live with some issues that crop up when the bike generates miles of smiles. Hope you enjoy the vids. If all goes according to plan I'll be doing a video on swapping to tapered roller bearings in the steering head next. The ball bearings lasted a good while but I did find the lower one was getting notchy.
@@johnboy3100 there’s a kit on Rottweilerperformance with all the pieces you’ll need. I can’t remember if they have a tutorial video. We didn’t watch any tutorial or anything and came out the other end okay. Have to remove the tank and do some cable routing and a brake bleed, but it was worth it for me. Drops 7 or 8 lbs of unsprung weight, and the braking performance is still decent. The fork really came alive afterward. The main reason I did the switch was because I destroyed a rotor, and it was almost the same cost to buy another rotor as it was to get the kit. So you’ll have an extra expensive part in case you destroy the one!
Great review, I just picked up a used 2020, 790R with 2000 km on it (1242 miles) ! the bike is NEW! I have only had one outing on it since i got it November 20th and we have mandatory snow tires effective here in Quebec City Canada on December 1st through to march 15th!! so i will be watching reviews to see what the issues maybe on the 790R so i can be ready for many happy outing in 2021 ! Regards,
It is a bit odd isn't it. :) One either loves a KTM for the ride it provides and puts up with the niggles, or finds something else to ride. I've owned a "sensible" Tiger 800XC since 2014, reliable as the day is long and a good bike. It's been gathering dust since this one arrived on the scene. *shrug*
I'm enjoying your channel. Thanks for the review. I have a 2018 690 and and considering an 890 next year when I save up a few okay... A bunch of bucks!
Thanks! The 890 should be well sorted. Will be a great long distance mount that still lets you get plenty dirty if desired. The two bikes really don't overlap all that much, especially if the 690 is kept in it's most pure form as a mean ass dual sport!
Great and honest review. Knowing you had a 690 also helps as that is my current dual sport travel bike. You are right about the long mikes on a 690. I’m considering a 790/890 next for the same reason. I’ve also got a 300XCW for single track so giving up the 690 hopefully want be a big deal.
Just picked up an 890 - largely influenced from your ADV ride reports and how you used the bike. Immediately fell hard for this thing, it is such a blast to ride. thanks for taking the time to share these vids and the ride reports - super helpful stuff.
Really enjoyed that, just in the midst of picking up my 890 rally next week, but won’t be riding it till the spring, live in Ontario and border is still closed...:(
@@aaron___6014 Unfortunately steering was not locked and in a garage. They pushed her out onto a vehicle. Learned the hard way for sure. I got myself a 2019 1090R and still happy because of bike prices these days.
Wow! 25k so quickly. I thought mine had a lot of miles at over 17k. I remember back in the summer of 2020 you offered to give me the oil plug off of this bike on the spur of the moment when I accidentally stripped mine. You are one heck of a guy.
Thanks! I thought about making several while I had the tank off the bike but only made one spare set. I'll leave mass production up to the folks that do it for a living. I just want to ride. :)
Thanks for the review. Wanted to say it helped me get an idea of what I was getting into. Ended up choosing its softer swedish cousin, the Norden 901. It comes with cruise and quickshifter enabled with no additional fees and has a 2 year warranty. Looking forward to putting some big miles on it 🤟
I could hear you much better from 7:12. Interesting video. I am thinking of buying one of these in northern Thailand. The reliability issues don't seem so bad and I'd be using it mainly on the road, albeit bad surfaces. The last bike I had with such good suspension was a KTM 950 Adventure.
I have 14.5k miles on mine and love it. So far it has been issue free. Got a little scared in Death Valley when I crashed in such deep sand that I plugged both fans and part of the radiator. Discovered that when it started overheating. A squirt bottle saved the day. I expect to own this bike for a long time. Cheers
Bike definitely rips. :) Death Valley cost me a ripped sidewall on the front tire and a blown tube, some bodywork, put another dent in my radiator, and a few bumps and bruises on me that have been a bit slow to finish healing. Good times, LOL.
@@Windblown 'bumps and bruises' I understand completely. I jacked up my thumb and it still hurts 3 months later. Also our hands were raw from trying to work zippers that were caked in powder. Have fun on your next adventures!
Nice video! I've been looking at the whole range 790/990/1090/1190/1290. Got a Husky501, but I want something I can carry some more luggage on. My only grip is the 790 doesn't fit my 6'3" frame like those other bikes. Surely I can do mods (Risers, Footpegs, Seat), but still a bit turned off by all the issues. 890 or upcoming Norden have me really interested. Thanks for sharing the 790 quirks, its still a nice bike I'd rather have over 690.
Thanks! I haven't heard of too many S shocks blowing but have caught wind of a few. Hopefully it's sorted for you now. Mine has been holding up great for quite awhile now.
Great review, you didn’t mention the chain and sprockets. I have looked at those bikes but have a R1200GS and just can’t get use to the idea of dealing with a chain again, the lack of shaft drive seems to be a deal breaker for me, thanks again for your great review
Good point. I don't really think about the chain drive much since most but not all my bikes have used one. I've owned a couple of bikes with shaft drive and it is nice to not have to think about giving the chain some attention. The biggest downside of shaft drive for me is not being able to change gear ratios to suit what I want to do with the bike. Whatever ratio the manufacturer settled on is the one you have.
@@Windblown And when a BMW shaft drive rear end goes out,its a bummer. 3500.00 bummer if it really goes out. Chain and sprocket,eh. I can swap em out pretty quick. Much lighter than a shaft drive.
Great to hear this review after all of those miles. I'm only 2k into my 790 R and thus far it's the best bike I've owned as well. Who makes the handguards on your bike? I'm looking to replace my factory guards.
Good presentation Brother ... I'm older .. Not much 🤓... My first bike I got was a 4horse cat mini bike in 1971 I was a kid ... I rode through th 80's ... Last bike was a KX 250 ... I'm getting back on w crf300l ... West Virginia duel track (easy stuff) tuned down slo Rollin 🤓 Just subbed u man ... Dennis
Thanks! Yep, I rode up until 1984 when I got creamed by a left turner and wasn't able to ride for quite awhile. Drifted onto other things and then came back to it full time in 2005. Focused on street for awhile and then shifted my focus to exploring the path less traveled. Enjoying every minute! Heck you can't be too far away if your in WV. Maybe we'll cross paths some day. I live very close to the WV/VA line up towards the top of the state but ride though out the entire region when time allows.
Damn man “long range” I don’t know how you do it. 30 minutes on the highway and I’m dying to get off mine. I have the (790 (s) model though. Love everything else about the bike Edit: all my riding is 2up 90% pavement 10% dirt/gravel. Edit#2: almost forgot great video
Thanks for the great video. Just bought an 890 Adventure R yesterday. Haven't ridden in 25 years (last bike was a 1984 GPZ 1100), and after thumbing through the 400+ page owners manual, I am feeling a bit overwhelmed with the bewildering array of modes, ABS, traction control options, and wondering if I should spend the money to have the Rally mode, cruise control, and quick shift unlocked before I take delivery. Any advice to shorten my learning curve?
Nice way to jump back into riding! Yeah, bikes have changed a bunch. I'd hold off on the upgrades and just ride the bike. The quickshift is kind of neat. I have mine disabled though and never use it. The Cruise is nice for extended hwy blasts and I use it then, otherwise not important. The Rally mode is cool and I do occasionally make use of it but 99.99% of the time I have ABS set to offroad, throttle mode set to street, and TC set around 5. That's a setting that is very similar to what you can set with the stock baked in modes without buying Rally mode. In short, I'm pretty old school in a lot of ways too and once I find a setting I like I just leave it there and seldom bother with pushing a bunch of buttons and changing modes. Enjoy!
Duke fan here! I had a 2016 690 Duke and rode it for 35k miles in 2 years. My experience with the pogo front brake is stucked pistons. Or at least not equally moving pistons. But it will come back. I have the same on my 2020 790 Duke with 10k miles. I just accept it. Maybe it's because how we use the brakes? Maybe it sometimes needs some hard breaking? Thank you!
I didn't do a video but I did document the process and took photos as I sorted thru how best to try to tackle the project. Complete discussion and photos here: advrider.com/f/threads/ktm-790-gas-tank-repair.1477023/
New tank fairing plastics. :) Old ones were getting pretty beat up. I do use ACF-50 on motor and frame when the bike is clean. I wipe down plastics with 303 Protectant spray.
Good to see a real world review by someone with 25k miles of personal experience. I'm guessing you chose the R version because you ride more aggressive terrain where the upgraded suspension is necessary? How do you feel the R works for long stretches of pavement at highway speeds? I considered the R for the suspension but I wouldn't be doing anything too much more than dirt and gravel and I think the regular version might be a little more geared toward the average person that will be riding these bikes. The tiny windshield on the R doesn't look like it'd give you any protection.
Hi Bill. Thanks. Yeah, the R was chosen for the longer suspension travel plus I have a 34" inseam so I even added the tall seat to mine and slightly lowered pegs to open up some leg room. The R was no issue on pavement. Wind management isn't stellar. With the stock R screen it ranges from ok in the low position to head throbbing in the high position for me. Have a buddy that rides the S and loves it and we've ridden some pretty tough terrain together. If the S doesn't feel to cramped and you're not planning on blasting over rocks and trees I'd say the S will work every bit as well.
Thank you for the video. Please advise which 790 parts you recommend I take with when I do the Trans Siberia (12000+km) later in the year. Thank you in advance.
Before you go you may want to inspect the fuel pump and add a fuel sock if the quality of gas will be questionable. I'd also look at installing a pre filter to supplement the air filter. Take along an oil filter so you can do an oil change if needed. If you have a good skidplate and handguards you should be good to go. Have a great trip!
Great questions! I had meant to mention that I occasionally had to thumb the starter a couple of times early on in the ownership when cold starting and forgot to bring it up as it never caused me a problem. I did go through the valves at 12k miles as standard maintenance and didn't run into any concerns. I've added a fair number of modifications to the bike and one of them is a fuel controller and that eliminated the occasional cold start issue. Going over the list of mods would have doubled the length of the video, LOL. Maybe I should do a video of just the mods and why I made each of them?
Thank you for your review. I’m considering an upgrade to the 790. Would you say that this bike at 44000km is still a good option? That kind of kms fits my price range? Do I wait a bit and buy newer model with less KM? I also looked at the 1050 (stunning bike) but I do about 60% of my riding on dirt. So this would work better for me. Plus the weight is a massive factor for me. I am tall but light rider and love an agile bike. I’m currently on a g310 but it’s evident that I ride way too hard for this little bike. I need to sell it before I break it. 😂 Thank you.
Great video. I have some of the same issues with my 2021 KTM 890 Adventure. Coolant leak due to crappy hose clamps. After 5K miles, I have warped rotors per dealer. I have to replace rotors and pads on my nickel. Ahhhgg !!! I would love to see and hear more about your single rotor conversion. Any videos or write up? Thanks. Kam
No video. I did a write up on it though and many others have weighed in on the same thread. Only thing I have changed since doing the conversion was I did finally swap to a Galfer Wave rotor. Here ya go: www.advrider.com/f/threads/single-front-caliper-conversion.1449175/
When you say "fuel sending unit failed" are you saying the fuel gauge quit working (no big deal) or the fuel pump quit working (disabling the motorcycle)? Thanks for the 25k feedback as I research a 890 R...
I believe the stress fractures were the result of repeated falls rather than a single fall. So yes, fatigue in a sense, but not caused by just vibration and such. As far as I know no one else has had this particular damage show up. That's a good sign I think.
Fuel tank sender?...Are you referring to the sending unit for the fuel gauge or are you talking about the fuel pump that sends fuel to the injectors? Do you know if the 890 clutch will fit the 790?
Yes, sending unit for the fuel gauge was what died. Still on the original fuel pump. From what I've heard the 890 clutch is a direct swap for the 790 clutch but I haven't personally tried it yet. I probably will at some point.
Hi, thanks for clear and honest review. I'm riding a 701 husqvarna in France on trails, now considering to ride it for travelling as you do with your 790: did you experience that with your 690 ? Would you say a 890R is far better than 690/701 for that type of traveling/riding trails ? Also, the issues you had are scary, does anybody know if 890 fixed all those ?
Hi Giles. The ride that convinced me to search for something I'd enjoy a bit more for long days on pavement was a trip I took that was a bit over 900 miles on pavement to get to a 1200 mile long Dual-sport route, then 900 miles back home. I wanted more comfort yet still be able to handle the hardest riding I want to do when a long way from home. The 790 filled that role for me better. Though the 690 was a hoot on the 1200 miles DS route! I have not heard of any major issues with the 890. A few reports of poor cold starting and that's about it.
Nice write up. I bought mine in October for a Burney Falls run, almost 3k on it..no troubles yet. Have some anekee wilds waiting to go on. My only question is how do you keep it do clean? Mine looks a pig after some mountain and desert romps😨😆 Thanks
Thanks! As for cleaning a few things play into how it looks in the video - 1) I had thoroughly cleaned it for winter maintenance with a pressure washer. Plus I pressure wash all my bikes somewhat regularly because grime holds moisture that promotes corrosion. 2) I coat the engine and frame with ACF-50 to help protect the bike between pressure washings. 3) I had just installed brand new side plastics on it that have zero miles on them. ;)
I think it had more to do with stress over time versus a single incident. They have hit the ground many times. The patch seems to be holding up great. Tank is holding up well.
My 2019 is intermittently stalling, and the fuel tank seems to build up very high pressure.Open the tank to relieve pressure and seems ok again for a while. Any ideas? Dealer seems kinda clueless.
If the tank is building pressure it's due to the vent not working properly. There are two hoses that attach to the tank under the front of the plastic ring surrounding the gas cap. The one on the right is a gas overflow/water drain line that drains the well under the cap. The one on the left is the tank vent line that allows air to enter and escape from the tank. If this line is pinched the tank can't vent the pressure created as the gas heats up. It also won't let air if it's pinched to let tank pressure equalize. The other problem can be the flapper valves built into the locking mechanism of the gas cap itself. Removing the flapper valves will eliminate the problem. There is a long thread on the subject on ADVrider.com On the second page I posted photos of where the flapper valve is buried inside the gas cap. Here's a link to the subject - advrider.com/f/threads/vapor-pressure-build-in-gas-tank.1432023/
Hey mate really enjoyed the review thanks quick question with the single front disc was that a Rottweiler conversion ? I'm seriously considering doing the same after just replacing the front tyre to some Michelin Anakee wilds fantastic tyres I noticed how heavy the front wheel weighs in at extremely heavy I thought 🤔 plus the brakes are touchy and seem way over powered in fact so does the rear brake I often hear the the rear doin little skids with minimal pressure. Rottweiler reckon you have to change out the front brake master cylinder and the caliper and it's $800 US. I would appreciate your opinion. Cheers mate Happy Trails
I felt the same way about the front. The rear doesn't bother me but I have run Anakee Wilds rears in the past on another bike and they do lock up under breaking fairly quickly in the dirt in my experience. I did a basic conversion which cost quite a bit less and works well for me. I purchased a KTM MC from a 690 Duke and ordered a brake line from Galfer. I kept the stock caliper. Some photos and a conversation about the process here with lots of options discussed. advrider.com/f/threads/single-front-caliper-conversion.1449175/
@@Windblown hey mate thanks heaps for the important info on the conversion I understand more about what's goin on now I'm not at all familiar with the ABS I do think it makes for a touchy rear brake maybe its just the huge rear disc. I think I would try the standard rotor and caliper on the front before I went to 4 piston brembo and a wave rotor it seems the conversion is just as simple as purchasing the super duke master cylinder hand piece and plugging the hole from the ABS to the 2nd caliper that's what I understand. Thanks for all your help and reply mate. Happy Trails. Thumpermad aka Tony Toohey Hornsby NSW AUSTRALIA. Aloha
Hey buddy, the outlet on the thermostat on my 2019 bike was also leaking, KTM replaced it under Warranty. The new outlet has not leaked since it was changed.
Thanks for an informative review! I assume you didn't have any electrical issues, like the bike randomly glitches out and just doesn't start, or throws a check engine light, or kick stand sensor craps out preventing you from moving, or doesn't turn on a headlight, or ABS / MTC getting stuck in one setting - for no apparent reason, an issue which then randomly goes away?
The only electrical glitch I've had other than the CC issue I mentioned was the TFT display going blank for about 60 seconds while I was riding down the highway. That was about 20k miles ago.
@@Windblown So one minor electrical glitch in over 20k miles... Not nearly as bad as some make the newer KTMs to be :-) I've an 2015 1190-S and it's seen more than that in just the 8k miles I've put on it...
@@suzukirider9030 KTMs can definitely have electrical gremlins. I make a point of going thru any new bike when it's still new and add dielectric grease to every single connector. I check the entire harness for cable ties that are too tight or wiring that might be subject to excessive rubbing. It's also a part of my yearly maintenance. Maybe I've just been lucky but I like to think I make my own luck to some degree by doing so, and generally seem to avoid too much in the way of wiring problems.
Nice review! I dropped my 2020 on a hill climb and had to drag it around a bit, nothing crazy. Stood it up and tried to start it but gas started shooting out into the skid plate. Turns out the little plastic “L” shape fuel-line adapter on the bottom of the fuel pump (behind the tank guards) cracked. Was out in the woods solo with an unrideable 790. It sucked. I recommend replacing the piece if you haven’t already. Rottweiler makes an aluminum one and a guard for it. I had less than 4K miles when it happened. Surprised you’ve made it that far without having issues. Or have you?
Bummer about the fuel fitting getting broken off while out! Thanks for the heads up. I've heard of that happening to a few folks. Luckily that hasn't happened to me yet. I saw the other day thst the new 890 has a metal shield in that area for just that reason. I will see if my dealer can order me one! Thanks.
Hey, I really enjoy your videos. We are similar in age. I like mine also. What’s your technique for lifting the big girls after she’s down. That has become an issue for me :-)
Thanks! Lifting bikes doesn't get easier with age, that's for sure! My method goes against the grain of most every "How to lift your ADV bike" video or article which is almost always demonstrated on nice flat level ground with good traction. The problem with lifting with your back to the bike as often shown is the rider exerts a good deal of sideways force on the bike especially early in the lift which will cause the tires to slide when on leaves. mud, or wet rocks or unstable ground. The other issue with that technique is that it requires tucking the lower handlebar in towards the bike which causes the front wheel to contact the ground further from the point you are lifting and increases resistance to the lift. So... My goto method is to swing the lower handlebar out towards the front of the bike and lift with both hands under the bottom of the lower handguard. This swings the back of the front tire down and gets it "under the bike" quicker as you lift. It also exerts much less sideways force (though you can still use sideways force if conditions allow by walking forward to ease strain on the back. It's still not much fun but it makes the difference between getting the bike back up and not getting it back up for me. Hope that helps! YMMV.
@@Windblown thanks👍. Again, good info. I dropped mine a couple of weeks ago on a muddy road. By myself. Tried the butt to the seat technique. No go. Ended up doing it like you said. Tweaked my back a little. I can lift my EXC 350 easily. Ps. I remove the cat this week. I plan on riding it today. I’ll let you know. It sounds better for sure :-)
There are better street bikes out there. But there aren't better street bikes that will do what the 790 can do offroad. It all boils down to priorities and preferences. ;)
Very straight forward swap - Removed the OEM MC, right caliper, rotor, and the front brake line between the ABS and brake calipers. Replaced the OEM MC with one from a KTM 690 Duke and ordered a custom single line brake line from Galfer.
@@dusdroadadventures7978 rottweiler also sells a single caliper kit. i run the rotty kit and it works great. highly recommend single caliper, especially, if you ride loads of dirt.
The 690 is better in three areas. 1) If the terrain is so difficult you have to slow down to a walking pace or less and find yourself constantly putting a foot down then the lighter weight of the 690 is an advantage. In super soft terrain (deep mud, sand, etc) the extra weight of the 790 requires a bit more speed to avoid getting bogged down. 3) If the terrain is super tight and you find yourself having to squeeze through trees or boulders the 690s narrower profile wins. However the turning radius seems better on the 790 so on twisty terrain there are times the 790 can be better. The 790 is better in fast chop and high speed moderate hits (larger rocks, trees, etc) It's suspension is more predictable, the front does not deflect off rocks like the 690 tends to sometimes do. The 790 just tracks better overall. The 790's low center of gravity gives it great natural slow speed balance and I find it's easier to stay on the pegs at slower speeds on the 790. Overall - Any time I can be moving fast enough to keep my feet on the pegs and the terrain is open enough to allow the 790s wider stance down low to slip thru I prefer the 790.
If I needed to replace the 790 with something the 890 would be at the top of the list to consider. However I've got the 790 well set-up for what I do with it and I'll likely hold onto the 790 until it's thoroughly worn out. Bike is now sitting at only 32,400 miles so it might be awhile yet. I've on a bit of a time out to let the body heal from some long term accumulated wear and tear.
@@Windblown thank you for the reply. I had a 1290 adv but sold it as it felt too big in the bush. I'm now tossing up either a new 890 or 2nd hand 790. I'm trying to justify the extra spend but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to get the 890.
@@UTPP The 890 engine is a better motor from the standpoint of low RPM grunt. Other than that there really isn't a notable difference between them. Some claim reliability is improved on the 890 but overall from the reports I've seen it's a wash on that point. One buddy blew his 890 shock early on, just like some of the 790's did. Another had the valves zero out early, just like some of the 790's did. If I was buying a 790/890 right now it would be a tough choice given the price difference between new and used. A used 890 at the right price though... that would be mighty tempting. ;)
My camshafts are still ok. 35k miles (56km) on the bike now. I don't know if it makes a difference but I change my oil about twice as often as the manual call for.
@@KillSwitch80 I got the 2020 790(s) for 13k out the door, I’m a big dude and that bike just wants to pull in every gear. I couldn’t be happier. On and off road it’s super stable. The seat isn’t very comfortable though... also I’ve added 3k in upgrades.
@@8andsk835 thanks for the update. I’m actually checking out a 2019 model tomorrow that has been kitted up just the way I would like it. Private seller asking close to 12k.
@@Windblown Oh, we are having a miscommunication. I think the motorcycle is cool looking, I like the looks. I was referring to the good, the bad and the Ugly, and the "Tuco" of unreliability is what is to much for me. I have watched a fair number of videos with the 790's and 390 bikes that mentioned reliability issues. I owned a 1985 KTM 125 dirt bike, and granted it was 7 years old when I bought it, I had lots of issues with it. Really like KTM's products, their style, how they push the boundaries, but the most important thing to me when choosing a car or motorcycle or snowmobile is, will it run, or will I be fixing it constantly. Everything else comes after this.
@@outdoorkreations7051 Sucks you ran into an issue. There is something going on with them for sure on some of the bikes. When I made this review at the end of 2020 I don't think the cam issue was known, or at least I wasn't aware of it.
Really would like to own one but i don't like reliabillity of it. Just when you think KTM thinked this through when making the most "lightest & most capable" adventure "rally" bike there is. It's full of errors.
The tank position is one of the many reasons I chose not to get that bike. Sure, it gives the bike a better center of gravity, but cracking a fuel tank while you're out in the middle of nowhere is a situation I'd rather avoid. Steel only moves and bends so many times before it comes apart. The stress fractures were predictable. The tanks HAVE to hit something some time. It's a cool bike, but the reliability issues would stress me out. KTM fuel sending units. . . There are people riding around with spares for when they go out.
Your over thinking this. Ride an 890R once ,its such a fun bike minor issues wont matter,I havent heard of one fuel tank breaking. Stress cracks on exterior dont really mean its going to break open.
thanks for a great review as usual. keep them coming!
Great video. I just bought a duke 790 last month and I love it. I'll know what to keep an eye on in the future. Thank you.
Nice clear honest review, good to know which things to watch out for as I start putting more miles on the bike. Thanks!
Thanks! I think it's a great bike. Already plenty of youtube reviews with stats and lots of riding shown. I thought I'd try to focus on what it was like to live with it.
Had a test ride on 2020 790r yesterday, bike is a hoot! Really enjoyed it on the road- plenty fast. Suspension felt outstanding. Off road I’m a relative newbie but what little I did felt fine and controlled. I think I will pull the trigger and get one ( good deals in uk on 790 ) I’m prepared to get any issues sorted as they happen, I have a good dealer. Reckon any minor ( in the big picture ) issues will be worth putting up with, yes it is expensive but once sorted I think it will be an awesome bike. Looked at and rode the T7, is not so cheap now (£9600) and for me would need suspension work & I prefer tubeless rims for an easy life. Also I like the electronics on 790- they really seem to work.
Each to their own.
Great vid, thanks for sharing.
Great review! You have covered some serious miles. I thought I had ridden a lot with 8500 on mine this year... Anyway, your cruise control issue is likely due to a bad clutch lever switch. You will probably notice that when it acts up you also can't start the bike when in gear. I got mine replaced under warranty. No problems since. (knock wood)
Great honest review!
Well I was looking at the 890r, leaning towards the 2021 twin! Thanks for sharing your experience
Really nice to hear your take on it! Great review mate 👏🏻🔥
Thanks! A non-scripted discussion was a bit of a challenge to edit. It's a bit rough but hit the main points I wanted to cover.
Great review, will pass it on to the friends that have the 7's. Met you out in SD at the Mystic Hills Hideaway and we spoke for a bit... Glad to see you are getting along well with your travels, looks like you are making it back home ok :)
Take care
Thanks. Small world! I remember bending your ear for a bit, LOL. That was a really nice place out there.
Thank you, for all your great videos and share for the love of riding. I bought the 890r in 2021 of Jan. and so far nothing but miles of smiles. heading back to my ole home town of Snowshoe Wv. to ride in Sept, 2022 Blackwater adventure ride. and spend a few more days riding and more exploring the areas.
Thanks! I'm sure you'll get plenty of smiles along the way. :) Blackwater Adv ride falls on a work weekend for me. Enjoy!
New Sub and new 2022 890 Adv S owner here.
I know this is an older video but I appreciate the long term ownership video going over the 790 as we all hear the pros & cons in this internet age.
I'm prepared for a few challenges as I had a Pan America for a year and a half with it's particular issues. (I had a 2018 -1290 for a short time but it was a bit mahusive for me) Hopefully Kim sorted a few of them in the couple years between the release of the 790 and my second year 890.
I enjoyed your review honest and straightforward. Thanks for the good review!
Thanks for watching!
I purchased the new KTM 890 Duke. Although not the adventurer , both bikes share the LC8C engine. I’m guessing KTM make a few adjustments to the mapping and torque but was always a little hesitant with KTM with the reliability aspects. I’ve now got 5000km on her trouble free and without doubt the best motorcycle I’ve ever owned. Sure there is smoother and more refined engines out there. But the parallel twin on the Ktm is like nothing else I’ve ridden. Thanks for sharing.
As soon as my kids grow up I will be switching to an “adventurer “also. 👍
Good review, good to hear an American get to the point
Really relaxed man. Like the bike....thanks for the review... Greetings from munich Germany
Great review thank you for sharing your knowledge on the bike and honest opinion
My pleasure!
Great info, appreciate your insight!
I’m at 10k on mine. Almost all of the same issues. Still loving every minute of it though. Thanks for taking the time to document. It really helps to plan for how to address potential upcoming issues. I switched to the single front caliper before my last big ride. Couldn’t be happier I did! I’ll be watching the rest of your videos now..
Thanks! It is easier to live with some issues that crop up when the bike generates miles of smiles. Hope you enjoy the vids. If all goes according to plan I'll be doing a video on swapping to tapered roller bearings in the steering head next. The ball bearings lasted a good while but I did find the lower one was getting notchy.
What's involved in going to single brake in front?
@@johnboy3100 there’s a kit on Rottweilerperformance with all the pieces you’ll need. I can’t remember if they have a tutorial video. We didn’t watch any tutorial or anything and came out the other end okay. Have to remove the tank and do some cable routing and a brake bleed, but it was worth it for me. Drops 7 or 8 lbs of unsprung weight, and the braking performance is still decent. The fork really came alive afterward. The main reason I did the switch was because I destroyed a rotor, and it was almost the same cost to buy another rotor as it was to get the kit. So you’ll have an extra expensive part in case you destroy the one!
@@riderdooder Sounds like a win win situation to me, thanks...
Great review, thanks mate.
Nice review, cant wait to buy one, getting tired of my old F800GS from 2008
Great review, I just picked up a used 2020, 790R with 2000 km on it (1242 miles) ! the bike is NEW! I have only had one outing on it since i got it November 20th and we have mandatory snow tires effective here in Quebec City Canada on December 1st through to march 15th!! so i will be watching reviews to see what the issues maybe on the 790R so i can be ready for many happy outing in 2021 !
Regards,
Congrats on the new ride!
So many issues and you still happy with the bike, amazing ;)
It is a bit odd isn't it. :) One either loves a KTM for the ride it provides and puts up with the niggles, or finds something else to ride. I've owned a "sensible" Tiger 800XC since 2014, reliable as the day is long and a good bike. It's been gathering dust since this one arrived on the scene. *shrug*
I'm enjoying your channel. Thanks for the review. I have a 2018 690 and and considering an 890 next year when I save up a few okay... A bunch of bucks!
Thanks! The 890 should be well sorted. Will be a great long distance mount that still lets you get plenty dirty if desired. The two bikes really don't overlap all that much, especially if the 690 is kept in it's most pure form as a mean ass dual sport!
Im really liking my 890R. It is an amazing bike. I walk away laughing every time I get off the thing.
Thanks for the unbiased review. Looking hard at the 890 R and considering the MSRP of $14,199, hope KTM has addressed the brake and fuel issues.
Did you end up purchasing? Any follow up?
Aspiring owner looking for info! Thanks!
Great and honest review. Knowing you had a 690 also helps as that is my current dual sport travel bike. You are right about the long mikes on a 690. I’m considering a 790/890 next for the same reason. I’ve also got a 300XCW for single track so giving up the 690 hopefully want be a big deal.
Thanks!
Just picked up an 890 - largely influenced from your ADV ride reports and how you used the bike. Immediately fell hard for this thing, it is such a blast to ride.
thanks for taking the time to share these vids and the ride reports - super helpful stuff.
Glad you found them helpful! By all accounts the 890 is sweet motor with a nice bump in smoothness.
Great review. Thank you.
Really enjoyed that, just in the midst of picking up my 890 rally next week, but won’t be riding it till the spring, live in Ontario and border is still closed...:(
My 1090R got stolen a month ago. Now the dilemma is what to get next. Thanks for the great review!
Did you have locks on the wheels.or rotors? Was it in a garage?
@@aaron___6014 Unfortunately steering was not locked and in a garage. They pushed her out onto a vehicle. Learned the hard way for sure. I got myself a 2019 1090R and still happy because of bike prices these days.
Good to know what I need to watch for in the next 23000 miles...
Wow! 25k so quickly. I thought mine had a lot of miles at over 17k. I remember back in the summer of 2020 you offered to give me the oil plug off of this bike on the spur of the moment when I accidentally stripped mine. You are one heck of a guy.
Thanks. Would have been happy to pass it along. Sounds like you're getting some great use out of the bike as well!
Very nice and honest review, I love my 790 R too, ride on !!!
Thanks! Just started getting it back out for some rides in the last coupe of weeks. Looking forward to a great summer with it. :)
Great review man! Dig your tank armor- mod as well, you might have to come up with a way to mass-produce!
Thanks! I thought about making several while I had the tank off the bike but only made one spare set. I'll leave mass production up to the folks that do it for a living. I just want to ride. :)
Great video!
Thanks for the review. Wanted to say it helped me get an idea of what I was getting into. Ended up choosing its softer swedish cousin, the Norden 901.
It comes with cruise and quickshifter enabled with no additional fees and has a 2 year warranty.
Looking forward to putting some big miles on it 🤟
Amazing tank repair! 👍🏼
Thanks. Time will tell if works well.
I could hear you much better from 7:12. Interesting video. I am thinking of buying one of these in northern Thailand. The reliability issues don't seem so bad and I'd be using it mainly on the road, albeit bad surfaces. The last bike I had with such good suspension was a KTM 950 Adventure.
Really helpful video. Thanks.
Great review mate
Thanks! I hope that folks find it useful.
I have 14.5k miles on mine and love it. So far it has been issue free. Got a little scared in Death Valley when I crashed in such deep sand that I plugged both fans and part of the radiator. Discovered that when it started overheating. A squirt bottle saved the day. I expect to own this bike for a long time. Cheers
Bike definitely rips. :) Death Valley cost me a ripped sidewall on the front tire and a blown tube, some bodywork, put another dent in my radiator, and a few bumps and bruises on me that have been a bit slow to finish healing. Good times, LOL.
@@Windblown 'bumps and bruises' I understand completely. I jacked up my thumb and it still hurts 3 months later. Also our hands were raw from trying to work zippers that were caked in powder. Have fun on your next adventures!
Great review👍
Thanks! 👍
Nice video! I've been looking at the whole range 790/990/1090/1190/1290. Got a Husky501, but I want something I can carry some more luggage on. My only grip is the 790 doesn't fit my 6'3" frame like those other bikes. Surely I can do mods (Risers, Footpegs, Seat), but still a bit turned off by all the issues. 890 or upcoming Norden have me really interested. Thanks for sharing the 790 quirks, its still a nice bike I'd rather have over 690.
Great Review I have a 2020 S and I had the same problems and 2 blown rear shocks
Thanks! I haven't heard of too many S shocks blowing but have caught wind of a few. Hopefully it's sorted for you now. Mine has been holding up great for quite awhile now.
Great revieW!
Very good review. I subscribed to learn tips from this rider
Thanks!
Nice review ... you have credibility
Great review, you didn’t mention the chain and sprockets. I have looked at those bikes but have a R1200GS and just can’t get use to the idea of dealing with a chain again, the lack of shaft drive seems to be a deal breaker for me, thanks again for your great review
Good point. I don't really think about the chain drive much since most but not all my bikes have used one. I've owned a couple of bikes with shaft drive and it is nice to not have to think about giving the chain some attention. The biggest downside of shaft drive for me is not being able to change gear ratios to suit what I want to do with the bike. Whatever ratio the manufacturer settled on is the one you have.
@@Windblown And when a BMW shaft drive rear end goes out,its a bummer. 3500.00 bummer if it really goes out. Chain and sprocket,eh. I can swap em out pretty quick. Much lighter than a shaft drive.
great video
Great to hear this review after all of those miles. I'm only 2k into my 790 R and thus far it's the best bike I've owned as well. Who makes the handguards on your bike? I'm looking to replace my factory guards.
The handguards Cycra Probends. They are a bit older design. I think the new ones are a little different.
Great vid! Had the same kind of issue with the front brake, 1090 Adv R! Otherwise, a great bike...
Thanks! 👍
Good presentation Brother ... I'm older .. Not much 🤓... My first bike I got was a 4horse cat mini bike in 1971 I was a kid ... I rode through th 80's ... Last bike was a KX 250 ... I'm getting back on w crf300l ... West Virginia duel track (easy stuff) tuned down slo Rollin 🤓 Just subbed u man ... Dennis
Thanks! Yep, I rode up until 1984 when I got creamed by a left turner and wasn't able to ride for quite awhile. Drifted onto other things and then came back to it full time in 2005. Focused on street for awhile and then shifted my focus to exploring the path less traveled. Enjoying every minute! Heck you can't be too far away if your in WV. Maybe we'll cross paths some day. I live very close to the WV/VA line up towards the top of the state but ride though out the entire region when time allows.
I like the Kidex tank addition.
Thanks! And it is still holding up just fine and looks great. :)
nice!
Great review! Would love your take on tires especially off road capable tires for the more longer trips
Motoz RallZ are my go-to for long trips. Have to keep the front tire pressure high on pavement to keep it from cupping early though.
Great review. To the point, straight and honest. Will dive in and watch a few more on your channel.
Thanks!
Damn man “long range” I don’t know how you do it. 30 minutes on the highway and I’m dying to get off mine. I have the (790 (s) model though. Love everything else about the bike
Edit: all my riding is 2up 90% pavement 10% dirt/gravel.
Edit#2: almost forgot great video
I used to do it on smaller bikes. Must have built up some tolerance for it. ;)
Thanks for the great video. Just bought an 890 Adventure R yesterday. Haven't ridden in 25 years (last bike was a 1984 GPZ 1100), and after thumbing through the 400+ page owners manual, I am feeling a bit overwhelmed with the bewildering array of modes, ABS, traction control options, and wondering if I should spend the money to have the Rally mode, cruise control, and quick shift unlocked before I take delivery.
Any advice to shorten my learning curve?
Nice way to jump back into riding! Yeah, bikes have changed a bunch. I'd hold off on the upgrades and just ride the bike. The quickshift is kind of neat. I have mine disabled though and never use it. The Cruise is nice for extended hwy blasts and I use it then, otherwise not important. The Rally mode is cool and I do occasionally make use of it but 99.99% of the time I have ABS set to offroad, throttle mode set to street, and TC set around 5. That's a setting that is very similar to what you can set with the stock baked in modes without buying Rally mode. In short, I'm pretty old school in a lot of ways too and once I find a setting I like I just leave it there and seldom bother with pushing a bunch of buttons and changing modes. Enjoy!
Duke fan here! I had a 2016 690 Duke and rode it for 35k miles in 2 years. My experience with the pogo front brake is stucked pistons. Or at least not equally moving pistons. But it will come back. I have the same on my 2020 790 Duke with 10k miles. I just accept it.
Maybe it's because how we use the brakes? Maybe it sometimes needs some hard breaking?
Thank you!
Do you have a video of the tank repair ? I’d like to see a detailed fix, thnx ahead of time
I didn't do a video but I did document the process and took photos as I sorted thru how best to try to tackle the project. Complete discussion and photos here: advrider.com/f/threads/ktm-790-gas-tank-repair.1477023/
What are you putting on your bike to make it so shiny? It looks awesome. I seriously want to know thx
New tank fairing plastics. :) Old ones were getting pretty beat up. I do use ACF-50 on motor and frame when the bike is clean. I wipe down plastics with 303 Protectant spray.
Good to see a real world review by someone with 25k miles of personal experience. I'm guessing you chose the R version because you ride more aggressive terrain where the upgraded suspension is necessary? How do you feel the R works for long stretches of pavement at highway speeds? I considered the R for the suspension but I wouldn't be doing anything too much more than dirt and gravel and I think the regular version might be a little more geared toward the average person that will be riding these bikes. The tiny windshield on the R doesn't look like it'd give you any protection.
Hi Bill. Thanks. Yeah, the R was chosen for the longer suspension travel plus I have a 34" inseam so I even added the tall seat to mine and slightly lowered pegs to open up some leg room. The R was no issue on pavement. Wind management isn't stellar. With the stock R screen it ranges from ok in the low position to head throbbing in the high position for me. Have a buddy that rides the S and loves it and we've ridden some pretty tough terrain together. If the S doesn't feel to cramped and you're not planning on blasting over rocks and trees I'd say the S will work every bit as well.
Thank you for the video. Please advise which 790 parts you recommend I take with when I do the Trans Siberia (12000+km) later in the year. Thank you in advance.
Before you go you may want to inspect the fuel pump and add a fuel sock if the quality of gas will be questionable. I'd also look at installing a pre filter to supplement the air filter. Take along an oil filter so you can do an oil change if needed. If you have a good skidplate and handguards you should be good to go. Have a great trip!
Thanks for the review! Nice job on the tank👍 Any valve work of fueling issues? ✌️
Great questions! I had meant to mention that I occasionally had to thumb the starter a couple of times early on in the ownership when cold starting and forgot to bring it up as it never caused me a problem. I did go through the valves at 12k miles as standard maintenance and didn't run into any concerns. I've added a fair number of modifications to the bike and one of them is a fuel controller and that eliminated the occasional cold start issue. Going over the list of mods would have doubled the length of the video, LOL. Maybe I should do a video of just the mods and why I made each of them?
@@Windblown you definitely should! 👏🏻
Thank you for your review. I’m considering an upgrade to the 790. Would you say that this bike at 44000km is still a good option? That kind of kms fits my price range? Do I wait a bit and buy newer model with less KM? I also looked at the 1050 (stunning bike) but I do about 60% of my riding on dirt. So this would work better for me. Plus the weight is a massive factor for me. I am tall but light rider and love an agile bike. I’m currently on a g310 but it’s evident that I ride way too hard for this little bike. I need to sell it before I break it. 😂 Thank you.
Great video. I have some of the same issues with my 2021 KTM 890 Adventure. Coolant leak due to crappy hose clamps. After 5K miles, I have warped rotors per dealer. I have to replace rotors and pads on my nickel. Ahhhgg !!! I would love to see and hear more about your single rotor conversion. Any videos or write up? Thanks. Kam
No video. I did a write up on it though and many others have weighed in on the same thread. Only thing I have changed since doing the conversion was I did finally swap to a Galfer Wave rotor. Here ya go: www.advrider.com/f/threads/single-front-caliper-conversion.1449175/
When you say "fuel sending unit failed" are you saying the fuel gauge quit working (no big deal) or the fuel pump quit working (disabling the motorcycle)? Thanks for the 25k feedback as I research a 890 R...
Interesting review and mods, did you say that the tank fractures was due to fall overs and such? not fatigue I hope?
I believe the stress fractures were the result of repeated falls rather than a single fall. So yes, fatigue in a sense, but not caused by just vibration and such. As far as I know no one else has had this particular damage show up. That's a good sign I think.
@@Windblown Not seen this either, nice repair and looks decent. Happy trails!
40 000km is good test drive.
Fuel tank sender?...Are you referring to the sending unit for the fuel gauge or are you talking about the fuel pump that sends fuel to the injectors?
Do you know if the 890 clutch will fit the 790?
Yes, sending unit for the fuel gauge was what died. Still on the original fuel pump. From what I've heard the 890 clutch is a direct swap for the 790 clutch but I haven't personally tried it yet. I probably will at some point.
Hi, thanks for clear and honest review. I'm riding a 701 husqvarna in France on trails, now considering to ride it for travelling as you do with your 790: did you experience that with your 690 ? Would you say a 890R is far better than 690/701 for that type of traveling/riding trails ? Also, the issues you had are scary, does anybody know if 890 fixed all those ?
Hi Giles. The ride that convinced me to search for something I'd enjoy a bit more for long days on pavement was a trip I took that was a bit over 900 miles on pavement to get to a 1200 mile long Dual-sport route, then 900 miles back home. I wanted more comfort yet still be able to handle the hardest riding I want to do when a long way from home. The 790 filled that role for me better. Though the 690 was a hoot on the 1200 miles DS route! I have not heard of any major issues with the 890. A few reports of poor cold starting and that's about it.
Nice write up. I bought mine in October for a Burney Falls run, almost 3k on it..no troubles yet. Have some anekee wilds waiting to go on. My only question is how do you keep it do clean? Mine looks a pig after some mountain and desert romps😨😆 Thanks
Thanks! As for cleaning a few things play into how it looks in the video - 1) I had thoroughly cleaned it for winter maintenance with a pressure washer. Plus I pressure wash all my bikes somewhat regularly because grime holds moisture that promotes corrosion. 2) I coat the engine and frame with ACF-50 to help protect the bike between pressure washings. 3) I had just installed brand new side plastics on it that have zero miles on them. ;)
great review, how hard did you crash to have those low hanging tanks break?
I think it had more to do with stress over time versus a single incident. They have hit the ground many times. The patch seems to be holding up great. Tank is holding up well.
My 2019 is intermittently stalling, and the fuel tank seems to build up very high pressure.Open the tank to relieve pressure and seems ok again for a while. Any ideas? Dealer seems kinda clueless.
If the tank is building pressure it's due to the vent not working properly. There are two hoses that attach to the tank under the front of the plastic ring surrounding the gas cap. The one on the right is a gas overflow/water drain line that drains the well under the cap. The one on the left is the tank vent line that allows air to enter and escape from the tank. If this line is pinched the tank can't vent the pressure created as the gas heats up. It also won't let air if it's pinched to let tank pressure equalize. The other problem can be the flapper valves built into the locking mechanism of the gas cap itself. Removing the flapper valves will eliminate the problem. There is a long thread on the subject on ADVrider.com On the second page I posted photos of where the flapper valve is buried inside the gas cap. Here's a link to the subject - advrider.com/f/threads/vapor-pressure-build-in-gas-tank.1432023/
Hey mate really enjoyed the review thanks quick question with the single front disc was that a Rottweiler conversion ? I'm seriously considering doing the same after just replacing the front tyre to some Michelin Anakee wilds fantastic tyres I noticed how heavy the front wheel weighs in at extremely heavy I thought 🤔 plus the brakes are touchy and seem way over powered in fact so does the rear brake I often hear the the rear doin little skids with minimal pressure. Rottweiler reckon you have to change out the front brake master cylinder and the caliper and it's $800 US. I would appreciate your opinion. Cheers mate Happy Trails
I felt the same way about the front. The rear doesn't bother me but I have run Anakee Wilds rears in the past on another bike and they do lock up under breaking fairly quickly in the dirt in my experience.
I did a basic conversion which cost quite a bit less and works well for me. I purchased a KTM MC from a 690 Duke and ordered a brake line from Galfer. I kept the stock caliper.
Some photos and a conversation about the process here with lots of options discussed.
advrider.com/f/threads/single-front-caliper-conversion.1449175/
@@Windblown hey mate thanks heaps for the important info on the conversion I understand more about what's goin on now I'm not at all familiar with the ABS I do think it makes for a touchy rear brake maybe its just the huge rear disc. I think I would try the standard rotor and caliper on the front before I went to 4 piston brembo and a wave rotor it seems the conversion is just as simple as purchasing the super duke master cylinder hand piece and plugging the hole from the ABS to the 2nd caliper that's what I understand. Thanks for all your help and reply mate. Happy Trails. Thumpermad aka Tony Toohey Hornsby NSW AUSTRALIA. Aloha
Hey buddy, the outlet on the thermostat on my 2019 bike was also leaking, KTM replaced it under Warranty. The new outlet has not leaked since it was changed.
Thanks for the heads up! If it is a new design I may order one up. Got mine fixed for the time being but it may let go again at some point.
@@Windblown Part numbers should tell if it's changed
@@finrampe Been having some troubl;e pulling part numbers for it. I'll dig a bit more. Thanks.
Thanks for an informative review! I assume you didn't have any electrical issues, like the bike randomly glitches out and just doesn't start, or throws a check engine light, or kick stand sensor craps out preventing you from moving, or doesn't turn on a headlight, or ABS / MTC getting stuck in one setting - for no apparent reason, an issue which then randomly goes away?
The only electrical glitch I've had other than the CC issue I mentioned was the TFT display going blank for about 60 seconds while I was riding down the highway. That was about 20k miles ago.
@@Windblown So one minor electrical glitch in over 20k miles... Not nearly as bad as some make the newer KTMs to be :-)
I've an 2015 1190-S and it's seen more than that in just the 8k miles I've put on it...
@@suzukirider9030 KTMs can definitely have electrical gremlins. I make a point of going thru any new bike when it's still new and add dielectric grease to every single connector. I check the entire harness for cable ties that are too tight or wiring that might be subject to excessive rubbing. It's also a part of my yearly maintenance. Maybe I've just been lucky but I like to think I make my own luck to some degree by doing so, and generally seem to avoid too much in the way of wiring problems.
Instead of adventure bike I’ve been calling my Tenere 700 a utility bike . I don’t say the A word anymore it’s gotten old haha
Nice review! I dropped my 2020 on a hill climb and had to drag it around a bit, nothing crazy. Stood it up and tried to start it but gas started shooting out into the skid plate. Turns out the little plastic “L” shape fuel-line adapter on the bottom of the fuel pump (behind the tank guards) cracked. Was out in the woods solo with an unrideable 790. It sucked. I recommend replacing the piece if you haven’t already. Rottweiler makes an aluminum one and a guard for it. I had less than 4K miles when it happened. Surprised you’ve made it that far without having issues. Or have you?
Bummer about the fuel fitting getting broken off while out! Thanks for the heads up. I've heard of that happening to a few folks. Luckily that hasn't happened to me yet. I saw the other day thst the new 890 has a metal shield in that area for just that reason. I will see if my dealer can order me one! Thanks.
Windblown interesting about the 890. Glad KTM is addressing it! Made me kinda concerned about the petcock on that side too.
Hey good tank repair. Did you ever find out if the replacement or newer water pumps have round outlets?
Thanks. Sorry for long delay. I'm not getting comment notifications for some reason. Yes, the newer thermostat housings are round.
Hey, I really enjoy your videos. We are similar in age. I like mine also. What’s your technique for lifting the big girls after she’s down. That has become an issue for me :-)
Thanks! Lifting bikes doesn't get easier with age, that's for sure! My method goes against the grain of most every "How to lift your ADV bike" video or article which is almost always demonstrated on nice flat level ground with good traction. The problem with lifting with your back to the bike as often shown is the rider exerts a good deal of sideways force on the bike especially early in the lift which will cause the tires to slide when on leaves. mud, or wet rocks or unstable ground. The other issue with that technique is that it requires tucking the lower handlebar in towards the bike which causes the front wheel to contact the ground further from the point you are lifting and increases resistance to the lift. So... My goto method is to swing the lower handlebar out towards the front of the bike and lift with both hands under the bottom of the lower handguard. This swings the back of the front tire down and gets it "under the bike" quicker as you lift. It also exerts much less sideways force (though you can still use sideways force if conditions allow by walking forward to ease strain on the back. It's still not much fun but it makes the difference between getting the bike back up and not getting it back up for me. Hope that helps! YMMV.
@@Windblown thanks👍. Again, good info. I dropped mine a couple of weeks ago on a muddy road. By myself. Tried the butt to the seat technique. No go. Ended up doing it like you said. Tweaked my back a little. I can lift my EXC 350 easily. Ps. I remove the cat this week. I plan on riding it today. I’ll let you know. It sounds better for sure :-)
Hi and thanks! Which is your evaluation of this bike for pavement travels? Are you using different seat height? Thanks
There are better street bikes out there. But there aren't better street bikes that will do what the 790 can do offroad. It all boils down to priorities and preferences. ;)
@@Windblown I mean despite of long travet suspensions is the R good on pavement too?
@@davidestroppa3759 Absolutely. The R still handles very well on the street.
How did you do the single caliper? Just eliminate the right side line and plug??
Thanks great video!!
Dee
Very straight forward swap - Removed the OEM MC, right caliper, rotor, and the front brake line between the ABS and brake calipers. Replaced the OEM MC with one from a KTM 690 Duke and ordered a custom single line brake line from Galfer.
@@Windblowndoes abs still work?
@@dusdroadadventures7978 Yep. ABS works fine. :)
@@dusdroadadventures7978 rottweiler also sells a single caliper kit. i run the rotty kit and it works great. highly recommend single caliper, especially, if you ride loads of dirt.
@@damytzeus thank you
What do you say about it's off road performance compared to 690 enduro
The 690 is better in three areas. 1) If the terrain is so difficult you have to slow down to a walking pace or less and find yourself constantly putting a foot down then the lighter weight of the 690 is an advantage. In super soft terrain (deep mud, sand, etc) the extra weight of the 790 requires a bit more speed to avoid getting bogged down. 3) If the terrain is super tight and you find yourself having to squeeze through trees or boulders the 690s narrower profile wins. However the turning radius seems better on the 790 so on twisty terrain there are times the 790 can be better.
The 790 is better in fast chop and high speed moderate hits (larger rocks, trees, etc) It's suspension is more predictable, the front does not deflect off rocks like the 690 tends to sometimes do. The 790 just tracks better overall. The 790's low center of gravity gives it great natural slow speed balance and I find it's easier to stay on the pegs at slower speeds on the 790.
Overall - Any time I can be moving fast enough to keep my feet on the pegs and the terrain is open enough to allow the 790s wider stance down low to slip thru I prefer the 790.
@@Windblown That is exactly what I thought. 70 to 80% off road performance of 690 seems ok for me. Thanks
Nice review,
Have you considered upgrading to the 890?
If I needed to replace the 790 with something the 890 would be at the top of the list to consider. However I've got the 790 well set-up for what I do with it and I'll likely hold onto the 790 until it's thoroughly worn out. Bike is now sitting at only 32,400 miles so it might be awhile yet. I've on a bit of a time out to let the body heal from some long term accumulated wear and tear.
@@Windblown thank you for the reply. I had a 1290 adv but sold it as it felt too big in the bush. I'm now tossing up either a new 890 or 2nd hand 790. I'm trying to justify the extra spend but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to get the 890.
@@UTPP The 890 engine is a better motor from the standpoint of low RPM grunt. Other than that there really isn't a notable difference between them. Some claim reliability is improved on the 890 but overall from the reports I've seen it's a wash on that point. One buddy blew his 890 shock early on, just like some of the 790's did. Another had the valves zero out early, just like some of the 790's did. If I was buying a 790/890 right now it would be a tough choice given the price difference between new and used. A used 890 at the right price though... that would be mighty tempting. ;)
Subtitulado español es posible?
lo siento, no hablo espanol :(
what year is this bike?
2019
Hi, what about camshafts?
My camshafts are still ok. 35k miles (56km) on the bike now. I don't know if it makes a difference but I change my oil about twice as often as the manual call for.
Mine failed at 32,000km, lots and lots of others have had theirs fail too.
My bike had twice the required oil changes, still failed.
I’m buying 1 in 3 days
How’d it go? Are you liking it ?
@@KillSwitch80 I got the 2020 790(s) for 13k out the door, I’m a big dude and that bike just wants to pull in every gear. I couldn’t be happier. On and off road it’s super stable. The seat isn’t very comfortable though... also I’ve added 3k in upgrades.
@@8andsk835 thanks for the update. I’m actually checking out a 2019 model tomorrow that has been kitted up just the way I would like it. Private seller asking close to 12k.
@@KillSwitch80 these days that seems like a steal, I had my eye on the Africa but that price tag scared me off it. Good luck and enjoy!
@@8andsk835 same here I test rode one and I love that DCT transmission. Thanks again. Take care!
How about riding two up?
Can't offer an opinion on that as I haven't ridden two-up on it. Seems like the suspension could handle it fine.
@@Windblown thanks very much
Too much ugly for me to be comfortable buying one. Thank you for your awesome video review.
It has a face some would say only a mother could love. But I can't see it when I'm riding it. :)
@@Windblown Oh, we are having a miscommunication. I think the motorcycle is cool looking, I like the looks. I was referring to the good, the bad and the Ugly, and the "Tuco" of unreliability is what is to much for me. I have watched a fair number of videos with the 790's and 390 bikes that mentioned reliability issues. I owned a 1985 KTM 125 dirt bike, and granted it was 7 years old when I bought it, I had lots of issues with it. Really like KTM's products, their style, how they push the boundaries, but the most important thing to me when choosing a car or motorcycle or snowmobile is, will it run, or will I be fixing it constantly. Everything else comes after this.
Microphone please.
How did you get 25k miles without your cams failing
Luck perhaps. I do change oil more often than some (3-5k miles). Don't know if that has helped or not. 37k miles on the bike now, still kicking.
@Windblown changed mine every 3k idk. Mostly on road Miles too
@@outdoorkreations7051 Sucks you ran into an issue. There is something going on with them for sure on some of the bikes. When I made this review at the end of 2020 I don't think the cam issue was known, or at least I wasn't aware of it.
@@Windblown It's quite new and really blown up on social media. I don't say it's not happening, cause it is. But there are more stories than cases.
Really would like to own one but i don't like reliabillity of it. Just when you think KTM thinked this through when making the most "lightest & most capable" adventure "rally" bike there is. It's full of errors.
The tank position is one of the many reasons I chose not to get that bike. Sure, it gives the bike a better center of gravity, but cracking a fuel tank while you're out in the middle of nowhere is a situation I'd rather avoid. Steel only moves and bends so many times before it comes apart. The stress fractures were predictable. The tanks HAVE to hit something some time. It's a cool bike, but the reliability issues would stress me out. KTM fuel sending units. . . There are people riding around with spares for when they go out.
Your over thinking this. Ride an 890R once ,its such a fun bike minor issues wont matter,I havent heard of one fuel tank breaking. Stress cracks on exterior dont really mean its going to break open.
Don't mind me. Just here to gather evidence on KTM unreliability
Take my details down then. Cams at low km.
super poor sound ....thumb down
Sorry, no remote mic and recorded on a go-pro.
@@Windblown sounds good to me