The CZ PREC CHAS 22LR 24B is almost twice the price of the T1x MTR. Maybe the CZ 457 Varmint would have been better. Or put the Tikka in a chasis and compare apples to apples / $$ to $$.
Good to see you went with a smaller target at 100yds ,I purchased a tikka T1X and using CCI standard have shot similar groups at 100 yds ,,but without the flyer ,my average was right at 1 inch for the groups I shot ,I need more ammo testing ,but the plague has my range closed ..Like to see a CZ MTR 22 if you ever get a hold of 1 to shoot it . thanks
Thanks Joel for taking the time to bring us yet another interesting video! But to make it a fair comparison, as has already been said the Tikka needs to be in a chassis! As for the groups, really what one should expect with 2 quality rifles, although the poor Tikka definitely had a handicap with that plastic stock!! Regarding the flyer I personally never count them when shooting 22lr even with premier ammunition, it’s just not consistent enough (imho that is) Big thanks from across the pond regards Clive
Nice follow up video. I think people loose site of the fact that you're shooting a .22lr at 100yrds for groups! Both guns are amazing and you couldn't go wrong with either one.
that´s exactly how you do compare two guns - same ammo all the way. Great job. I dont know what the prices are of these two guns in the US but here in Sweden the Tikka cost around 1000 US$ and the CZ cost almost 2000 US$ here so there is quiet a difference in price too.
I'm sorry guys, both of these guns are going away. The CZ is getting sent back to the sales rep, and the Tikka is a giveaway gun for a lucky Patreon supporter.
I know I'm 3 years late to the party, but I'm just getting into precision .22LR shooting. I thought you had enough caveats in your first video. Thanks for the follow up though. Great job on these groups.
I own Tikka T1X, my pal has CZ 455. Both shoot very good, but CZ is more picky on ammo. Shoots great with SK (even canned SK Magazine), while it doesn't like anything else as Tikka. Mine Tikka shoot great groups with SKs, CCI SV, Lapua, heck even cheap Blazer shoot acceptionally good. 1 MOA is not a problem with either CZ or Tikka. Anyway, both are good guns, while not as perfect as Anshutz is, for such great price no reason not to buy one of them. But for perfect groupings I would suggest to shoot at least 15 rounds before any comparison to let lube do it's work in barrel.
@@rolandtimario2362 chassis does nothing unless the shooter is a bad shooter and putting weight onto the cheap stock. Outside that, the groups will not improve by putting it in a chassis.
I'm just watching this video 11 months later and when i saw the 2nd Tikka group i wasn't surprised. SK Rifle match does exactly the same thing in my Anschutz and Bergara. 1 in every 10 will be a flyer. You'll have 8-9 great shots and then some spurious flyer way out there. If you're lucky enough to shoot a 5 round group between the "flyers" it prints some amazing groups.
Everyone here saying the chassis made the difference clearly are not long range shooters. I routinely shoot out to 1000 yards with chassis and non-chassis rifles and I can tell you it is 100% the shooter and how they function with the rifle. I can shoot my quality hunting non chassis rigs as well as my chassis rigs. The chassis can aid or hinder but if you know how to shoot both it comes down to the barrel system and the ammo. At 100 yards the chassis is doing nothing for the cz here unless the poster is simply better at shooting a chassis.
I bet that flyer wouldn’t have been as bad with the tikka if it had a more solid chassis. That being said the 457 is probably the more accurate rifle but I’m partial to cz.. stocks matter when shooting from a bipod.
Cool to see the follow up video but I’m curious if you ever adjusted the trigger on the tikka to be similar to the trigger on the CZ? The tikka does have an adjustable trigger as well and I believe that’s only fair.
Good comparison, but you may want to edit your description or title to include the caliber. I'm actually looking for comparison data for both of these rifles but in .17hmr. I couldn't identify the caliber in any of the write-up but can only assume it's for .22. Thanks
I'm just curious some of the guys when shooting groups load one shell at a time OTHERS use the clip for follow up shots. Do you think maybe with the clip loading you might get a mark or grove on the bullet when it go's up the ramp to the chamber thus causing fliers. Just wondering. Thanks great video.
I suppose it’s possible. I think that is one reason a lot of match grade bullets have that greasy coating on them. Helps prevent marring of the soft bullet. The question always comes down to, how much does it matter to you? For me personally, if there is a tiny bit of accuracy lost from that, I don’t care because I’m still getting tiny groups regardless. Thanks for watching.
Who was whining? The first test was clearly flawed when observed by anyone that knows anything about precision shooting. This test, while still significantly flawed, proved the invalidity of the first test. I guess in today's social media driven world, having a valid concern proven to be accurate is whining.
Lol its crazy how a 5shot 22lr group is the same as shooting 3shot groups with center fires. There is no reason to shoot under 10 shot groups with 22lr. For example ive pulled off a 0.5moa 5 shot group at 100m with my t1x with rws subsonic hp ammo, but my 5x10 group average for it was over 2moa at 100m. With eley match I get consistent 0.9-1.1 moa performance at 100 meters 10 shot groups.
I think the comparison itself between two rifles already made a point for ppl to choose Tikka t1x MTR over CZ, because the aftermarket price for a mere CZ MTR barrel will cost about the same, if not more. Plus, the accuracy test did tell the differences between the two is very marginal.
My last 2 Eley match 5 shot groups with the T1X at 100 yards were .616 and .87 Bulk Federal Black pack shoots weirdly amazing for bulk ammo. Last group I shot with that bulk ammo was .87 MOA and it averages 1 MOA.
To understand how accurate those rifles are need to compare the average of at least 10-20 groups, swinging rifles from group to group. Every time I shoot 100 yards I get at least one 0.3MOA group when shooting almost stock Ruger 10/22... 1 out of 30 groups:)
Refai Abdeen they are really in two different categories, pricewise. CZ is $1000 and the Tikka is $500. I prefer the chassis on the CZ, so I would go that route. Just my opinion.
Happy for this review and your others. I just bought the Provarmint based off your review. I did read on CZ forums that it is kind of a pain to clean with the bore being smaller than a normal 22. Had to order some .20 caliber brushes and jags. Any other advice you got for a first time CZ owner? Also, I will be using the Provarmint mostly for hunting small game, have you settled on an accurate hunting round for that rifle?
Because of the flyer I would have liked to see another 5 shot group of each. It seems that both guns needed a few shots of the ammo through to acclimatise to that round as both shot much better after those conditioning shots.. Also a fairer test would have been the synthetic stock CZ .
Hey Joel, thanks for the test. One thought for next time would be to 'season' the barrel with the ammo before shooting groups with it. There is one school of thought that posits that the different wax coatings can effect accuracy, therefore one should 'season' the barrel with that ammo's particular wax before one can get it's ultimate accuracy. I have experienced some range sessions that corroborates this theory. I usually shoot 10 rounds of the ammo through the gun before testing it. I don't know what ammo you were shooting in the rifle before your video, but the differenced in group size from group 1 to 2 might be explained by this phenomenon.
Thanks. I was shooting some standard CCI through these, just to get them zeroed. Maybe as many as ten rounds per gun before I started using the match grade types.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork cool. I need to fondle one to see if I like it. I own 3 Savage guns and I may add a 4th. Just curious to get your thoughts given accurate shooting is your forte.
How many times did you have to reshoot to "get" groups that size....... now I'm not saying at all that you did!! Dont take me wrong!! But many times people get one or two good groups with their 22lr and think that is how good their gun shoots. Because of the inconsistency of 22 ammo in general I would feel that 10 round groups are best for instance if you shoot 10 5 shot groups the group size tends to vary quite a bit more then if you do 5 10 shot groups. Now you can obviously say well duh of course! But in comparison to a precision center fire 5 shot to 10 shot groups you wont see as large of a variation as with the 22lr. If someone only shows 1 group on a paper with a 22 I hardly look but if its 5 in a row on the same page I'm interested! I like that you showed two groups with each. now if you look back at the previous episode the vertical dispersion is almost the same as your average in this episode. 3 mph wind is 1" of dispersion at 100 yards. So basically you shot the same both days. Keep up the good work Joel.
Ah oki. The CZ 45x in my country (South Africa) is quite expensive. I've yet to see a Tikka T1X in South Africa. The Anchutz rifles are very very expensive new but second hand in good condition are around the same price as a new CZ 45x.
Kind of an apples to oranges comparison....chassis vs a polymer stock . Put both in wood ,polymer, or chassis to make it fair. Enjoy your video's but sometimes they seem biased from my perspective
Unscientific is the correct word....lol I definitely don't make intentionally biased content. I try to be as fair as possible with my findings, but I am not a very scientific-minded person. This leads me to make videos where I don't really consider how two rifles might or might not "match up" and be a valid comparison. To me, these were both "budget" 22's, and that was the common ground - how well does each one shoot different types of ammo? How good would each one be as an entry level NRL22 competition rifle? That's what I was getting at.
Also, thanks for honest and constructive criticism! Seriously that's refreshing...instead of just the typical troll coming in here to bash me and call me stupid.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork you wont get bashing from me just dont see where that helps anything. It looks like you have a good time and the content is valid. I'll watch, it's the next best thing to shooting specially here in Alaska where temperatures prohibit shooting year round
Unless he is pressuring the tikka stock...putting it in a chassis will do nothing. I shoot competitively and can tell a chassis can help a poor shooter do better but put a good shooter behind both and you can determine the accuracy of the barrel and ammo...assuming it is free floated.
Being totally new to this rifle/hand gun thing - literally waiting for my card so I can buy some.....I am pleasantly surprised how quiet they are. I live in the country but live within eyeshot of a 'Karen'. farmer fields surround me - and I have approval from the one farmer to put up targets for my pleasure. (two areas 100-150yds away and 40 acres of trees behind that)...Hoping I can get some practice in without Karen calling the cops. lol
Nope. I shoot a Vudoo. If you watch many of my videos, I typically choose to say nice things about products. I refuse to bash someone else's hard work. If I say negative things, you can be certain I really hate that particular product.
The CZ PREC CHAS 22LR 24B is almost twice the price of the T1x MTR. Maybe the CZ 457 Varmint would have been better. Or put the Tikka in a chasis and compare apples to apples / $$ to $$.
Tks for the great video.
I got my CZ 457 two days ago and can't wait to try it out!
cool. they are very nice rifles. I'm sure you will like it.
Took the new CZ to the range today love it. Nice groups at 50yds
Good to see you went with a smaller target at 100yds ,I purchased a tikka T1X and using CCI standard have shot similar groups at 100 yds ,,but without the flyer ,my average was right at 1 inch for the groups I shot ,I need more ammo testing ,but the plague has my range closed ..Like to see a CZ MTR 22 if you ever get a hold of 1 to shoot it . thanks
CCI standard good ones, I love it
Even the slightest puff of wind with a 22lr at 100 yards will cause a flyer, low velocity and low bc. I would say those groups were very good!
Great groups!! Based on the price difference and the groups, I would go Tikka...
Definitely seems like an excellent rifle.
Thanks Joel for taking the time to bring us yet another interesting video! But to make it a fair comparison, as has already been said the Tikka needs to be in a chassis! As for the groups, really what one should expect with 2 quality rifles, although the poor Tikka definitely had a handicap with that plastic stock!! Regarding the flyer I personally never count them when shooting 22lr even with premier ammunition, it’s just not consistent enough (imho that is) Big thanks from across the pond regards Clive
If the ammo is not consistent then you MUST count the flyer as that is a part of your system.
Nice follow up video. I think people loose site of the fact that you're shooting a .22lr at 100yrds for groups! Both guns are amazing and you couldn't go wrong with either one.
that´s exactly how you do compare two guns - same ammo all the way. Great job.
I dont know what the prices are of these two guns in the US but here in Sweden the Tikka cost around 1000 US$ and the CZ cost almost 2000 US$ here so there is quiet a difference in price too.
Also the CZ is in a nice chassis and the T1x is in a "meh" plastic stock.
The closer match in price would be either a CZ 457 Lux or AT-ONE Varmint
@@deathclamfiveclips5813 $500 dollars more should be nicer then meh. IMO
I'd love to see the bergara b-14r in the mix! Great video
This!
I'm sorry guys, both of these guns are going away. The CZ is getting sent back to the sales rep, and the Tikka is a giveaway gun for a lucky Patreon supporter.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork just send me the cz.. we'll say it fell off a truck..
Cool to see the shooter consistency in position the way you spliced it together. Good shooting.
lol not enough recoil to bounce me out of position I guess.
I know I'm 3 years late to the party, but I'm just getting into precision .22LR shooting.
I thought you had enough caveats in your first video. Thanks for the follow up though. Great job on these groups.
Thanks. appreciate the comment. welcome to the addiction.
I own Tikka T1X, my pal has CZ 455. Both shoot very good, but CZ is more picky on ammo. Shoots great with SK (even canned SK Magazine), while it doesn't like anything else as Tikka. Mine Tikka shoot great groups with SKs, CCI SV, Lapua, heck even cheap Blazer shoot acceptionally good. 1 MOA is not a problem with either CZ or Tikka.
Anyway, both are good guns, while not as perfect as Anshutz is, for such great price no reason not to buy one of them.
But for perfect groupings I would suggest to shoot at least 15 rounds before any comparison to let lube do it's work in barrel.
Thanks for watching
Need to place tx1 in a chassis. Then it would be even. Imo!!
@@rolandtimario2362 chassis does nothing unless the shooter is a bad shooter and putting weight onto the cheap stock. Outside that, the groups will not improve by putting it in a chassis.
Lets see the Savage B22 precision VS these 2 rifles.
Great shooting and video, what Burris scope is that? Been thinking about getting one.
I'm leaning toward buying a Tikka more now than i was before. I like the CZ457 but the Tikka has surprised me. Thanks for doing the comparison.
yep. thanks for watching.
I'm just watching this video 11 months later and when i saw the 2nd Tikka group i wasn't surprised. SK Rifle match does exactly the same thing in my Anschutz and Bergara.
1 in every 10 will be a flyer. You'll have 8-9 great shots and then some spurious flyer way out there.
If you're lucky enough to shoot a 5 round group between the "flyers" it prints some amazing groups.
cool. thanks for watching.
The next step is picking ten, or better twenty and see if you can predict the flier(s) by weight or measurement!
Everyone here saying the chassis made the difference clearly are not long range shooters. I routinely shoot out to 1000 yards with chassis and non-chassis rifles and I can tell you it is 100% the shooter and how they function with the rifle. I can shoot my quality hunting non chassis rigs as well as my chassis rigs. The chassis can aid or hinder but if you know how to shoot both it comes down to the barrel system and the ammo. At 100 yards the chassis is doing nothing for the cz here unless the poster is simply better at shooting a chassis.
I bet that flyer wouldn’t have been as bad with the tikka if it had a more solid chassis. That being said the 457 is probably the more accurate rifle but I’m partial to cz.. stocks matter when shooting from a bipod.
That second group with the CZ is amazing. Wonder if a bit of heat in the barrel tightened up the group?
Not sure. If only they could all be that good. LOL
Cool to see the follow up video but I’m curious if you ever adjusted the trigger on the tikka to be similar to the trigger on the CZ? The tikka does have an adjustable trigger as well and I believe that’s only fair.
Never adjusted it. Thanks for watching.
Good comparison, but you may want to edit your description or title to include the caliber. I'm actually looking for comparison data for both of these rifles but in .17hmr. I couldn't identify the caliber in any of the write-up but can only assume it's for .22. Thanks
I'm just curious some of the guys when shooting groups load one shell at a time OTHERS use the clip for follow up shots. Do you think maybe with the clip loading you might get a mark or grove on the bullet when it go's up the ramp to the chamber thus causing fliers. Just wondering. Thanks great video.
I suppose it’s possible. I think that is one reason a lot of match grade bullets have that greasy coating on them. Helps prevent marring of the soft bullet.
The question always comes down to, how much does it matter to you? For me personally, if there is a tiny bit of accuracy lost from that, I don’t care because I’m still getting tiny groups regardless.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for appeasing the whiners Joel. You’re a good man sir. Great shooting
Thanks!
Who was whining? The first test was clearly flawed when observed by anyone that knows anything about precision shooting. This test, while still significantly flawed, proved the invalidity of the first test.
I guess in today's social media driven world, having a valid concern proven to be accurate is whining.
Lol its crazy how well they can group at 100
Lol its crazy how a 5shot 22lr group is the same as shooting 3shot groups with center fires. There is no reason to shoot under 10 shot groups with 22lr. For example ive pulled off a 0.5moa 5 shot group at 100m with my t1x with rws subsonic hp ammo, but my 5x10 group average for it was over 2moa at 100m. With eley match I get consistent 0.9-1.1 moa performance at 100 meters 10 shot groups.
I think the comparison itself between two rifles already made a point for ppl to choose Tikka t1x MTR over CZ, because the aftermarket price for a mere CZ MTR barrel will cost about the same, if not more. Plus, the accuracy test did tell the differences between the two is very marginal.
My last 2 Eley match 5 shot groups with the T1X at 100 yards were .616 and .87
Bulk Federal Black pack shoots weirdly amazing for bulk ammo. Last group I shot with that bulk ammo was .87 MOA and it averages 1 MOA.
To understand how accurate those rifles are need to compare the average of at least 10-20 groups, swinging rifles from group to group. Every time I shoot 100 yards I get at least one 0.3MOA group when shooting almost stock Ruger 10/22... 1 out of 30 groups:)
thx for watching
Cheers Mate! What would you recommend out of the two mate ?
Refai Abdeen they are really in two different categories, pricewise. CZ is $1000 and the Tikka is $500. I prefer the chassis on the CZ, so I would go that route. Just my opinion.
Precision Rifle Network, very much appreciated. I was leaning towards it too. But needed assurance from someone knolegable. Cheers !
you compare apples with oranges. You had the CZ in a custom chassis(mdt) and the Tikka in the stock, factory condition...
The CZ is completely stock as well.
Happy for this review and your others. I just bought the Provarmint based off your review. I did read on CZ forums that it is kind of a pain to clean with the bore being smaller than a normal 22. Had to order some .20 caliber brushes and jags. Any other advice you got for a first time CZ owner? Also, I will be using the Provarmint mostly for hunting small game, have you settled on an accurate hunting round for that rifle?
What???
Maybe do the grouping after shooting 20 rounds through both rifles
thanks for watching and commenting
Because of the flyer I would have liked to see another 5 shot group of each. It seems that both guns needed a few shots of the ammo through to acclimatise to that round as both shot much better after those conditioning shots.. Also a fairer test would have been the synthetic stock CZ .
Thanks for watching.
Hey Joel, thanks for the test. One thought for next time would be to 'season' the barrel with the ammo before shooting groups with it. There is one school of thought that posits that the different wax coatings can effect accuracy, therefore one should 'season' the barrel with that ammo's particular wax before one can get it's ultimate accuracy. I have experienced some range sessions that corroborates this theory. I usually shoot 10 rounds of the ammo through the gun before testing it. I don't know what ammo you were shooting in the rifle before your video, but the differenced in group size from group 1 to 2 might be explained by this phenomenon.
Thanks. I was shooting some standard CCI through these, just to get them zeroed. Maybe as many as ten rounds per gun before I started using the match grade types.
Mid Atlantic you nailed it! I wouldn’t call it a theory. It’s proven to be true in all my 457 .22 rifles.
Did you take your pro varmint and put it into the MDT chassis?
negative
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Maybe you listed it but what barrel an action 457 did you drop in that MDT chasse ?
@@msi1985 currently I have a Vudoo Gunworks 22LR action and their in-house barrel sitting in an MDT ACC chassis.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork oh nice
Nice form 👏🏼
Thought on the Savage Axis 2 chassis guns? Thinking about the 223. 1:7 and a 20" tube.
sounds fun. lol sorry, I don't have much more thoughts than that. I haven't personally shot one of those.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork cool. I need to fondle one to see if I like it. I own 3 Savage guns and I may add a 4th. Just curious to get your thoughts given accurate shooting is your forte.
@Precision Rifle Network which trigger is better? Thanks
They were both pretty good, but I think I would go with the CZ.
I could see the movement in the rifles for your flyers. When you stacked em, Rifle didn't move when you broke the shot.
consistency wins. thanks for watching.
How many times did you have to reshoot to "get" groups that size....... now I'm not saying at all that you did!! Dont take me wrong!! But many times people get one or two good groups with their 22lr and think that is how good their gun shoots. Because of the inconsistency of 22 ammo in general I would feel that 10 round groups are best for instance if you shoot 10 5 shot groups the group size tends to vary quite a bit more then if you do 5 10 shot groups. Now you can obviously say well duh of course! But in comparison to a precision center fire 5 shot to 10 shot groups you wont see as large of a variation as with the 22lr. If someone only shows 1 group on a paper with a 22 I hardly look but if its 5 in a row on the same page I'm interested! I like that you showed two groups with each. now if you look back at the previous episode the vertical dispersion is almost the same as your average in this episode. 3 mph wind is 1" of dispersion at 100 yards. So basically you shot the same both days. Keep up the good work Joel.
Thanks for watching! I agree that multiple 10 shot groups would give better overall results. Maybe next time. lol
It looks like the front scope mount is barely on the scope base.
Excellent
2 inch at 100 is completely acceptable for 22lr
How do these rifles compare to a good second hand Anchutz 22LR?
I wish I knew. Never shot an Anchutz. 🤷🏻♂️
Ah oki. The CZ 45x in my country (South Africa) is quite expensive. I've yet to see a Tikka T1X in South Africa. The Anchutz rifles are very very expensive new but second hand in good condition are around the same price as a new CZ 45x.
@@Mbee16 ah ok. I understand.
Thanks for the re shoot. But once again, a chassis rifle vs a synthetic stock. C'mon man!
What’s the issue? They both shot almost identical groups.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork they think the chassis is an un fair advantage
would be nice to see a 54 anschutz in the comparison
Anschutz is a nice rifle
Kind of an apples to oranges comparison....chassis vs a polymer stock . Put both in wood ,polymer, or chassis to make it fair. Enjoy your video's but sometimes they seem biased from my perspective
Unscientific is the correct word....lol I definitely don't make intentionally biased content. I try to be as fair as possible with my findings, but I am not a very scientific-minded person. This leads me to make videos where I don't really consider how two rifles might or might not "match up" and be a valid comparison. To me, these were both "budget" 22's, and that was the common ground - how well does each one shoot different types of ammo? How good would each one be as an entry level NRL22 competition rifle? That's what I was getting at.
Also, thanks for honest and constructive criticism! Seriously that's refreshing...instead of just the typical troll coming in here to bash me and call me stupid.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork you wont get bashing from me just dont see where that helps anything. It looks like you have a good time and the content is valid. I'll watch, it's the next best thing to shooting specially here in Alaska where temperatures prohibit shooting year round
@@deanmoloney5059 thanks. I'm definitely a fair weather fan when it comes to recreational shooting.
Unless he is pressuring the tikka stock...putting it in a chassis will do nothing. I shoot competitively and can tell a chassis can help a poor shooter do better but put a good shooter behind both and you can determine the accuracy of the barrel and ammo...assuming it is free floated.
Nice shooting sir
Being totally new to this rifle/hand gun thing - literally waiting for my card so I can buy some.....I am pleasantly surprised how quiet they are. I live in the country but live within eyeshot of a 'Karen'. farmer fields surround me - and I have approval from the one farmer to put up targets for my pleasure. (two areas 100-150yds away and 40 acres of trees behind that)...Hoping I can get some practice in without Karen calling the cops. lol
Nice. Definitely no fun to have nosy neighbors. Hopefully it's not an issue and you get to shoot.
Pretty good groups. No... I don't need another rifle. Nope...
lol you can always use another gun Joe...
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Sponsored by CZ? :-)
Nope. I shoot a Vudoo. If you watch many of my videos, I typically choose to say nice things about products. I refuse to bash someone else's hard work. If I say negative things, you can be certain I really hate that particular product.
Cz 👍👍👍
Verygood i from THAILAND
Cool! +++
WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Two honest answers...
1. First video was a last minute thing that I didn’t plan for.
2. More views.
Shooting bags>bipods
Hooa big head
Frank Moncada ?
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