The (Cut) Song That Could Have Saved The Once-Ler
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- So...Illumination Entertainment's The Lorax and corporations, eh?
Huge thank-you to Avalon Rosalin ( / @avalonwatchingvideos2683 ) and Reye (ua-cam.com/channels/sta.html...) for their feedback, and for telling me about the other cut songs!
Also, about that second segment: I want to make clear that I DO also care about trees and animals for their own sake! However, you can't really make a strong conservationist argument without a nod to how the destruction of the planet will harm people as well as trees.
PATREON: / cushfuddledvideos
MUSIC
"How Bad Can I Be?" - The Lorax
"Biggering" - The Lorax
"Thneedville (Demo)" - The Lorax
"The Once-ler's Traveling Madness" - The Lorax
"Off Broadway" - Werner Tautz
Bad trumpet - • Video
"Gilbertos Job" - • Gilbertos Job - roya...
"Repeat Stuff" - Bo Burnham
"Scary Rising Horror" - • Suspense Sound Effect ...
"Hellfire" - The Hunchback of Notre Dame
"Moonlight Sonata" - Beethoven
FOOTAGE
The Lorax (2012)
The Simpsons
Finding Nemo
Hercules
Mulan
0:00 Intro
2:00 The Lorax
6:24 How Bad Can I Be?
14:55 Biggering
20:48 Credits - Фільми й анімація
It was cut because the onceler fandom would have too much power.
Imagine how strong their aura of horniness would be if they listened to rock opera. We would all pass away.
@@fruitygarlic3601 rock opera is one of the sexiest genres they would kill us all with a glance
@@fruitygarlic3601 *Baby I'm not even here, I'm a hallucination*
It's true, we would
Something bad would happen we would destroy everything
“He’s given a face and a personality and a hipster outfit to appeal to the pre teens” **the onceler fandom intensifies**
oh no not them
Good god not tumblr please no
There is no Onceler fandom in Ba Sing Se
Yeah 🥰🥰🥰
@@mofthemoth5755 yep
Not to mention that in Biggering, there's the line, "I don't wanna hear you're crying." It adds to the fact that he is aware of the pain he is causing and that so many things are suffering and he has the ability to help but chooses not too. Kinda reminds me of some modern day billionaires, no?
exactly right. he's consciously aware that he's causing pain but he decides to ignore it, he decides to not hear them, because after all, "who cares if some things are dying?", right?
@wafflkitty5001 I know I'm extremely late but when that part came I had to pause because it hit home way more than I expected.
Our ex-president, Bolsonaro, said something very similar when the pandemic was at its peak. On top of refusing to buy the vaccine and ignoring Pfizer email's for months, debilitating the universal healthcare care system, refusing to supply a capital city with oxygen, ending in mass graves, all the while promoting hydrochloroquine and ivermectin and being anti mask and vax.
When we were approaching 300 thousand deaths he said in a official speech and interviews when asked about it
"You are going to keep crying until when? This is a country of pussies, when asked about the mass graves " Why do you ask me? I don't work at the graveyard "
I know this is kinda unrelated but still
@@lovelessmik5127especially since listening to their cries would mean stopping production thus ceasing his endless profits.
*Cough cough* Jeff Bezos *Cough cough* Elon Musk
The How bad can I be Once-ler:
Hey, it's not my fault a few trees are dying, my family forced me into doing this!
Biggering Once-ler: I know i'm hurting trees, animals, and possibly human by doing this, I just don't care.
If they ever do a Lorax musical, this will be in it. Mainly because musicals don’t give a sh*t about “how dark they are”
i think a lorax musical would be great
IDEAS PEOPLE IDEAS!!! Wait I could have sworn I saw a Lorax Musical online…I dont know but YES I SUPPORT THIS IDEA!
@@despaiirx5487 There was one made by the Old Vic in London in 2015 but it was based on the book and it was a stage adaptation, not a musical and yes, “I may not have a brain gentlemen but I have an idea”
As an actual musical the Lorax could have both songs and make it work, they're both good songs and they go hard for their own reasons but also with the amount of song reprises you get in musical theatre it wouldn't be that far fetched to say biggering could potentially act as a reprise to hbcib
Yeah my brothers school musical did little shop of horrors, when the drama club kids at my school went to see it on their field trip they had to cut out parts cause it was too violent and now I see why after watching it there
There’s a irony in corporate greed cutting a song about corporate greed.
... that cuts trees
It's called co-opting, baby 😎👉👉
That’s not ironic because it was completely expected. You know how because why would a massive corporation tell kids that massive corporations are only after money and will ignore any damage to the environment while in a pursuit for money.
And then placing tons of sponsors from companies in the movie.
That's not quite what irony is
The lorax: or how corporate consumerism ruined an anti corporate consumerist message
WELL D A N G now I wish THAT was the title!!
@@The_Sin_Squad its all yours if you want it. Lol
I broke the 666 likes, you're welcome.
But then we wouldn’t have o hare memes wouldn’t we
@@The_Sin_Squad Well, then you wouldn’t have been able to snag that thumbnail.
How Bad Can I Be: how the Once-ler remembers it
Biggering: What actually happened
no, the onceler know how bad he acted, that’s the whole point of him telling ted the story and giving him the truffula seed.
it’s probably more like how bad can I be is what the onceler tells the kid because he couldn’t put into words what he actually did in biggering
@@koolkid4825 Genius.
@@jeffalbertson2213I feel like you could interpret this as Biggering being what actually happened, and the Once-Ler sees it that way instead of how HBCIB portrays the scenario long after all the trees were cut off.
I feel like "How bad can I be" better captures the "corperate sleazeball" energy, but Biggering makes the Oncler more of an actual "villan".
Biggering is the musical equivalent of sticking it to the man
You ever think about how literally everyone except Zac Efron and Taylor Swift sing in this movie?
Bruh that’s wasted potential 😕
Why did they even get them if they weren't gonna sing
Strangely, I remember Taylor Swift singing Let It Grow, but it sounded more similar to Let It Go. I recently re-watched the movie, and was surprised to see that that line wasn't there. Weird.
Cause they didnt want the actors to feel bad
Why
just hearing "the onceler" in reference to to the film's plot rather than to the fandom is wild
we do not talk about them.
We do talk about them cuz it’s good
@@FiSH-iSH there is no onceler fandom in ba sing se
That thing is still alive????
The friend still crushes on him.
*Send help.*
The sad part of biggering is it showed Ed helms true potential. Holy fuck he portrays it too well. I honestly don’t think anyone could’ve done it else
it was not ed helms it was another singer if you listen to both songs the voices are different, it was planned that ed helms and danny devito sing this song
@@zer289 the demo guy for Ed sounds like Jack Black to me 😂
@@whitneyfluttershyelizabethI believe it is
The 88 sang Biggering
5:22 "Look, Its... some circling birds, I bet you they're going to, EAT. OUR. CORPSES." is probably my absolute favorite line for some reason.
I agree
it was too dark for illumination😔
so true
That just exudes mood to me for some reason-
👌 is all I have to say in that line.
To be honest, "Biggering" would have made the obsession of shipping Once-Ler with himself and only with himself a bit more understandable.
the fandom cant even be justified even with that
@@marsbarr4144 NOTHING can justify that
You are not wrong this curse is correct.
407+ people are okay with that...
@@nuggs5509 fair enough
Biggering actually sounds like a villain song.
yea it honestly fits that cinematic more
Less Villain, more Tragic Hero.
Unfortunately, Illumination didn't want that. For, one reason or another..
@@epic35YT we watched different movies then
eh, I don’t think that’s not enough proof
@@epic35YT Bro. Biggering was never in the movie, and film making industries don’t just cut a fully animated and sung sequence after its already been released. That doesn’t happen. Ever. Quit your BS and stop lying.
When you make a song so good that you have to cut it from the movie so it doesn’t implode the universe from being so good:
Illumination:
“How bad can I be” and “biggering” could have both been in the movie, and ik people in the comments already said this but god it would have made this movie so much more iconic! “How bad can I be” can show the once-ler starting his business still having the mindset of “it wouldn’t hurt to cut down a few trees.” And “biggering” would show the viewer his descent into corporate greed and his awareness to the damage he has caused but he is just too focused on the money.
This would have saved his character and made him a very awesome villain.
Actually the original Oncesler was intentionally made faceless so that he could represent anybody, that anybody no matter who you are could easily fall into the slippery slope he fell into.
While that's definitely something I've heard before, I hadn't considered that when I watched the original on its own merit. I did see him as an other and if anyone was me it was the child given the seed. Which I guess is actually also the intent. Adults who are old enough to potentially become subordinate to someone like the Once-ler or become like him themselves can see themselves reflected in him and children are given the chance to create a better future, but only because the Once-ler (adults) gave them it.
Anyway, my original point was that making him a highly relatable everyman protagonist is at least as good of a starting point as a faceless older man, if not actually better.
Now THAT is scary
Instead he looks like leafy
In the old cartoon version, he even justifies his actions saying that if he didn't do it, then someone else would anyway.
@@Necrapocalypse On that last paragraph there, that. Well, almost that. They didn't play it off that way. The ability to interpret it that way only shows that you're already aware of your own capacity for destruction. I'm not sure if that's a lesson to teach a child or not, but it's far more accurate than creating a corporate boogeyman antagonist.
They really could have nailed a good concept there though.
Biggering sounds like something Jack Black would sing.
FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDIES
@@messagekid9651 Pardon?
paul tanzen ᖴḭvḕ nḭgᏲtຮ Ꭿt ᖴᖇḕḕḕḕᕍᕍᕍḭḭḭḭḕḕḕຮ
Finally someone else says it.
700th like😳
Id love to see some indie studio remake this film without any restrictions, go as dark as they can, drive the message home
THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING
Broadway people: Hellooooooo
I wanna do that one day lol
Unfortunately The Lorax won’t be public domain until the 60’s
The saddest part about this song not being in the movie is that it's more similar to the original story than the rest of the movie
They didn’t want to scare the children? God, the book terrified me as a child. It wouldn’t have been a loyal adaptation UNLESS it mentally scarred its target audience.
yeah
Becouse makeing a Political msg out of a film has work so great in all the films that did it.
Yeah my biggest hatred for this movie came from the fact of the ending is so uplifting as if mistakes can be easily rectified. The book and even original cartoon ended on such a depressing note that that single seed would take forever to replenish the trees.
To have this movie end with all of the trees just coming back like it was nothing does such a disservice to the original story.
Yup agreed
@@acrazygamer9518 illunination's strategy: churn out shit like minions with terrible humour to appeal to kids with no sense of actual humour
How Bad Can I Be: "Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'"
Biggering: "Your honor, my client pleads 'Dont care didn't ask'"
"Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'" is the best sentence ever posted on the internet
Your honor, my client pleads "no❤️"
@@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu OMG I’M SCREAMING CXVSKWNSH-
@@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu sgdr et
@@sugarcherries6760 Are you okay?
1:09 "It all started a long time ago"
"Can we start not so long ago maybe?"
"do you want a tree?"
"Yes.. yes"
"THEN IT ALL STARTED A LON-"
The CUT was perfect
I kinda hope, one day, the lorax gets a broadway stage musical that gives the all the demo songs the respect the deserve .
The Lorax is the movie equivalent of “the sketch was better”
Yeah and frozen II
Along with Big Fish and Begonia
Hello Neighbor was the video game version
yes just yes
@@earthbornparanian6252 woah what's up with begonia? never got into it
They basically pulled a “Frozen” and had this amazing idea in the original planning and then scrapped it all for something mediocre for the end result
Frozen is wayyyy better than this
Frozen (II, at least) is also way worse than what it could've been
I'd say it's almost the opposite. The writers produced Biggering and the other demo songs that hinted at a more cynical, darker tone and Illumination didn't like -because money- because kids wouldn't "get it" and the script was rewritten -because they felt called out- to make it more "relatable to audiences."
Frozen's original concepts were more similar to the original story, with Elsa being the villain, Anna being more similar to Gerda from the original etc. But then they made Let it Go and they loved it so much they rewrote the entire first act of the movie and the character motives basically. (Side note: They already came up with the concept of Anna and Elisa being siblings before but the song cemented their decision)
In other words it's because of Let it Go we got the Frozen we know today....
I agree with you. The original plot and the musical did better than the actual movie, and if the creators of the original musical (or someone new) do decide to make a frozen II musical I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out better
@@pcvrisepic Disagreed.
I prefer this to Frozen.
Biggering is so good it hurts. That line about pride is absolutely profound and 100% truth. It really is the root of all evil
as someone who admittedly likes both songs for different reasons (biggering is darker and overall better to listen to, but HBCIB is clever in more subtle and realistic ways), i've always imagined that HBCIB is the story told by the young onceler, while biggering is the story told by the older, wiser onceler
My personal theory is that "How bad can I be" is the story that the onceler told the kid and "Biggering" is what actually happened
F##KING GENIUS
+
I love this theory, because I think both songs work together rather than one or the other
that's what i considered, too. it's obviously not canon, but what i'd prefer to believe nonetheless
The best way to lie is to sprinkle some truth into it, hence the similar lyrics.
Holy shit
Also Biggering is a WAY BETTER example of the RANGE of Ed Helms ???? Like if that's him singing my man is BELTING
The main singer is actually Gabriel Mann from The Rescues and he's SOOOO GOOOOOD! Gah, I love The Rescues :'D another reason why Biggering makes me go "!!!"
Why am I learning that Ed Helms voiced the ONCELER from a UA-cam COMMENT, also I just looked at the cast and WTF
I thought it was a Muse song for a hot second! I was like, hey I like Muse, and they did Uprising. 🤩
@@chungusbungus1633 holy shit they have so many big names
it's also honestly just kind of a bop??? like i can find myself listening to it unironically because it's just that good
Something I noticed in the lyrics:
In the last part (where the chorus takes place), the Once-ler says this:
"Though biggering is triggering more biggering!"
But then, in the next part, he says this:
"And biggering is triggering more biggering!"
"Though" is replaced with "and," like Once-ler's fully accepting what he's doing. This could imply that Once-ler was having second thoughts. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things.
It would've been something SUPERB to have Illumination bring a story like this in the form of a rock opera with this track. Fuckin still think it rules
I like how in Biggering. The Lorax isn't trying to save the trees, he's trying to save Once-ler
When Lorax said "the man you used you to be."
It seemed like it was meant for the song
@Dusty_Rusty hell nah 😟
He’s trying to save both
@Dusty_Rusty don't give them ideas
I mean trying to save onceler will save whole arm, trying to save tree will save only little finger
The change from “I don’t wanna hear your crying!” To “this feels so gratifying.” Makes me upset.
I've listened to Biggering and both lines were in there, but How Bad Can I Be took out the "I don't wanna hear your crying" line, but yes, I agree!
Biggering ends with "This feels so gratifying"
Comparing the lines about the animals either fighting or ending up as lunch really shows that at their core their the same song, but the execution absolutely changes the mood and message of the song so drastically. Also that "I don't wanna hear your crying" hits hard.
@@pizzawashere8940 That’s what I was thinking! The first verse of How Bad Can I Be and Biggering are almost exactly the same words, but the music and the execution is so different and really gives them a whole different sound
@@pizzawashere8940 The mentioning of "survival of the fittest" in the song in an attempt to justify their behavior also really helps bring the point home on how these corporations see the world around them.
16:38 honestly I’m just humming biggering to myself everywhere. While doing the dishes, on the bus, I don’t care. It’s a masterpiece
Biggering show the true nature of the Onceler. Especially the lines "I don't wanna hear your crying! It's all so gratifying!"
‘How Bad Can I Be’ is basically a Kidz Bob version of ‘Biggering’.
Ikr
Yep
Bob... I thought itwas *Bop* ...
Not that either titles make sense to me as descriptive of that type of music. *Biggering* & music songs like it sound too grandious to be called *Bop music* ... I love it, I just think it needs a more fitting name.
Yep
After kidz bob we have adult bop were we put in as many curse words as possible
*unoriginal*
Not gonna lie though, “Biggering” kinda slaps.
*Hella* slaps
You think?
Kinda? You mean it *DOES* ?
Mhm
Yeah
To be honest, I’m more confused on who made a song that goes as FREAKING HARD as Biggering for a company as goofy as Illumination!
i like to think that when the last tree falls and the onceler is looking around, looking devastated, its not bc he just is realizing he killed the environment, but bc hes realizing his empire is coming to an end and now he has to face the consequences he was trying to avoid (his fam leaving him, his power getting taken from him, etc.)
The line "I don't want to hear you crying" in biggering also implies awareness and intent
Yeah that and also he doesn’t give a f***k
Ah, the classic authoritarian fallacy: "If this thing I do makes you cry, you're the one who should feel bad about it."
Basically the ultimate “Lol ok”
@@hazukichanx408 I think that's gaslighting
@@justanormalinvestigator2640 The Onceler in “Biggering”: so anyway, i started chopping-
When I was 12, "How bad can I be?" actually hit me hard- this one would have absolutely blown my mind
Ikr
Gotta be honest same. But I think I will be horrified for life if it was the song biggering, and I would not sleep for days. But hey I watched cute stuff animal stab each other when I was 8 so yeah I can handle it owo
I mean, internet, am I right?
I feel like this could be (or could have been) part of why the song was changed, too... "Will this version simply be too much of a blunt instrument, pushing people away rather than slapping them awake? Will it feel too preachy, and fail to connect with the viewer?" I don't know, of course, but I kind of respect Illumination for at least getting How Bad Can I Be out there for people's minds to chew on.
@@marshamellow8205 Wait are you talking about htf?
2012 was trash
I always thought that they scrapped 'biggering' for the whole purpose of making good ol' Oncie a redeamable character and I don't think I was to far off, I'm still disappointed that they didn't put biggering in the movie because that song is an absolute ear worm that gets its point made.
Yea, I think you're probably right
The Lorax feels like a fight between the writers wanting to make an anti corporation movie, while the higher ups wanted to make a pro corporation movie. So it bounces back and forth way to much
“Who cares if some things are dying.
I don’t want to hear your crying.”
Like... damn.
The way business suits talk when the microphones aren't around.
I mean that’s real life right there
@@kstar1489 I know, but the fact that this is how many think in rl makes the lyrics even more f-ed up.
Best part of Biggering 100%
the Once-ler did say Biggering more than once in the original 70's short, so that's probably the inspiration for the song.
_"I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees. Save the Amazon, or I'll break your knees."_
*~ The Lorax*
*lmfao*
Ah yes. The Millennial translation.
Lmfao
Holy hell why did I wheeze at this?
It took me a minute to realize this was about the rainforest
What's sad is even in the original animated version they get it right and make the Onceler aware of the impact he was having and feel conflicted but actively choose to go ahead with it.
The best thing from the Biggering is.. "Greed is like a pet, the more you feed it, the hunger is gets. But you can't blame greed, he has a worm inside. A worm called Pride"
In French, this song IS actually showing that he is aware and human. "How bad can I be?" was translated to "It's bad, but whatever; is it my fault if I am what I am?" which both shows that he knows AND he puts the blame on anything else than him.
it's weird that translations give completely different implications
@@trvrshoe4518 Indeed, but sometimes it's the job of a translator to do more than "put X line in assigned language", a translator has to put the entire song in their assigned language - that includes rhymes, following the audio, etc.
@@Meaxis A good translator will keep or enhance the original meaning. Sounds like the French translator did a better job at keeping the original book’s message than the English writers did.
Unfortunately, the European French version of the song is also the only translated variation where the Onceler (or as he's called in French, Le Gash-Pilleur), downright admits that he knows it's bad but fuck it, he's doing it anyway.
Every other translated variation I have heard so far and how it translates is chalked up to "Am I bad?" or "I'm not THAT bad!", much like how the English version goes by this statement or question, but in France, Le Gash-Pilleur is just like "Yeah, I know it's bad, but fuck it, I don't care, let's cut down the trees, some trees dying is not so troublesome."
Portuguese it's basically
"Quão ma a au será que sou?" that means how bad can I be.
Yeah they didn't changed here on Brazil
imagine ted telling his grandkids how he saves trees because he simped over a girl 5 or 6 years older than him
If Audrey was a decade older than Ted, then it would've been a problem
but she still seems several years older than him
@@user-ou9no3sx4e he is 11 and she is in highschool about to graduate :/
@@cyanea. Ted is 12 and the wiki says that Audrey is actually 14
oh no why am i getting ara ara flashbacks
honestly this version of the lorax could work as a musical adaptation of the film or as a concept album
speaking of concept albums, i love how biggering sounds and feels a lot like something from a pink floyd album
so not only did they have a romantic interest, and some empathic backstory for the onceler,and the motivation for getting a tree was materialistic, oh and despite them saying they wanted kids to think that the people who caused climate change were real people like us, they made the main villian a person who was exaggerated beyond belief, from his appearance to his personality. i truly feel bad cuz its very clear that the writers intent was to go HAM on corporations but they got stopped by said corporations 😭
“The song was too dark”
Alex Hirsch wants to talk with Illumination
lmaooo
I M A G I N E
Its gonna get...
WEIRD!
*just another goofy episode filled with silly jokes for kids*
It's too dark, you can't make money from dark kids' movies
Don Bluth: Hold my beer
"Biggering" sounds so epic, I can't even-
Also, they could've have made it so the Once-ler loved his donkey a lot more and it dies because of the shlop and smog. Not to be relentlessly dark, but to push another message - we don't care about anything until it personally effects us.
That would be so sad, but very affective
@@k.r4312 I know, right?
People can argue that that's too dark but Lion king, Bambi, Nemo, and Up did that
@@benny687 I guess in a sense - they're not exactly the same, but yea.
It would be even more effective if he came to the decision to chop down the truffulas on his own and not though his mom telling him to.
I feel like if they hadn't cut the song the internet would simp for the guy WAY more then how they do now and I despise illumination for not giving us that miracle of a permanent tumblr sexy man
Biggering wasn't too scary for kids it was too scary for the man in charge who would have been negatively affected financially.
nice pfp
if both songs were in the movie , with how bad can i be first , and biggering second , kind of signifying his decent into evil , it would’ve been great
It’s like “A UA-camr’s Descent Into Insanity” but with the once-ler’s descent into greed in a song
I actually think this would have been something that maybe could have worked, giving him more screen time but then the plausible deniability part of the how bad can i be song is kinda not making sense. maybe he sees the destruction but still chooses to willingly ignore it for money.
my boyfriend has the same pfp as you
I would love that! Tbh, i really like How Bad Can I Be. But, Biggering sounds really cool! I want both! 😭
@@stock2896 maybe have 2 minutes of how bad can I be, but after the first chorus it breaks, then Biggering comes in
"All I ever wanted was the stuff that I don't have"
And that was the moment I was convinced this movie could have been good
When I heard that, I immediately started making a video where I re-write this movie because it had THAT. MUCH. POTENTIAL.
*Because kids never buy stuff to show off or to fit in with the crowd right...?*
It’s ironic that literally all the demo songs are better than the actual songs
@@austinfletchermusic PLEASE do that video
@@bernardoserrano4439 I'm working on the script, but I have other things in my life, so it'll be a long time!
The only argument I have about "Biggering" is that without subtitles, I wouldn't be able to distinguish what the Once-Ler was even saying and I would've never gotten the message
Well, what we have is a demo version. A movie version would probably be clearer
Look, it’s, some circling birds!
I bet they’re going to EAT OUR CORPSES-
To be honest “biggering” creates more of an emotional impact than the entirety of the Lorax movie
Bro exactly! I mean no shade to “How bad can I be” on its own it’s not the worst song but it is literally feels so empty and meaningless after listening to “Biggering” the entire movie feels so empty. Like just listening to that song by itself Is it’s own story it’s so powerful.
dude i would legit go back in time and pay them to keep biggering instead of how bad can i be
@@qiwunu if you pay them to do the original script of the movie
I guess one good thing came from this movie
@@RaspBerryPies Biggering is a horrible song lmao
Another thing: when they made the swap to how bad can I be, they didn't just switch lyrics, the entire genre went from rock opera to pop song. I think that specific change was because the target audience was children, and they didn't know how kids would handle a loud rock opera
Edit: From the responses I have come to realize that this was not the case. kids do in fact, enjoy rock operas.
Kids did enjoyed some metal if they can handle that.
Idk why producers forget kids are people and can have different tastes? Like a rock opera wouldve been amazing to me as a kid.
I’m a kid and I love rock music can’t be scary since the children who’d get scared bye the wouldn’t license to the lyrics
Kids of my generation seemed to like Green Day's American Idiot album, which was dubbed a "punk rock opera" by Green Day themselves.
i would have JAMMED to rock opera as a 5 yo(how old i was at the time)
Once-Ler "You wouldn't hit a woman"
The Lorax "That's a woman"?
We can all agree that “how bad can I be” is so damn goofy ☠️
Agree. I liked it until I listened to Biggering
I still like it but biggering is inherently better 😭😭
imo how bad can i be feels like something you’d listen to/use ironically, you know, for the meme, whereas biggering feels like someone you’d listen to unironically, but honestly that might just be me
I feel like Biggering and How Bad could have both existed, if shortened. Two halves of the same song. How bad marking the start of a descent into evil, when the onceler truly is naive. The song is cut up and spans maybe ten minutes on and off, but as it progresses and the onceler makes some decisions, the tone shifts ending on the relentless greed of Biggering.
I think this would make it more impactful, on how as somebody rises to power their priority shifts. At first, he just wanted to make a product. He knew a few trees had to die, but it's only a few. As he looks to production, seeing the valley he's decimated, he shows some sorrows but decides that he's come so far, why not let some more things die. That's when he makes the choice to overlook it. A fade from unknowing to uncaring.
Yeah i like both of the songs
Someone should try to do an edit of that
I agree!
@@gamerpro021 imma comment just so I can be here when somebody finally did one
Very good idea. I wish Illumination had thought of that.
If the Once-ler has a seed of the trees with him after all those years... why didn't HE just plant them? He's not a bad businessman, he's just very stupid. The customers kept saying "Yes. We want that"
Yes. I even watched one of the film theorists’ vids ABOUT THE LORAX.
Edit: I recommend watching it.
@@thesillynugget619
I watched it and it made the movie made 99% more sense.
@@fidluk2574 Good point
well, he does live in a wasteland all alone. he probably did plant his own tree, but knew one old man, especially the one who brought the fate onto the world, would not be enough to change things. (not to mention the time it would take to grow).
The other option is that the pollution he caused has made the soil infertile, so he had to rely on a young pair of legs to let the seed grow up in fertile land...
too late of saying this but the other problem is that a trufula seed takes up to i think 30 years in order for it be a fully grown tree so that would make things really slow and he might've been impatient about that
16:11 And the other also means he’s possibly admitting he’s killed animals or even people
To be honest I'm basically convinced The Lorax's whole deal after being dulled down from Biggering to HBCIB was to both promote the myth of plausible deniability and then paint the companies that got all those corporate tie-ins as the good guys by giving them the ""Lorax/Truffula Tree-friendly seal of approval"" - which, might I add, is one of the things that the song calls out along with "a portion of proceeds go to charity" - which turns the original message into "here, we're the good guys even though our own movie calls us out, and we severely dulled the message too to make it less obvious we're not actually the good guys while simultaneously making it catchy and marketable which is EXACTLY what the Thneed is!"
/gives onceler a guitar
/doesn't give him a rock song
He really is a hipster, I never thought about that ...
How Bad Can I Be Once-ler: "I didn't know killing trees would destroy our ecosystem!"
Biggering Once-ler: "I'm aware, yet I don't care."
Well, in all fairness there IS a line in How bad can I be that went ‘Who cares if a few trees are dying.’ but it was like, near the very end
@@whythis2341 Biggering Once-ler just seems to be MORE aware
@@-.DIO.- yeah, you’re right
yes, DIO should be dead... i think
@@morkaaa4834 Only his *bone* was left alive. Just kidding, but he does have one of his bones left.
"From a goofball to a god of destruction" Why am I laughing so hard over this?!
Biggering actually fits with dr suess’s idea for the once-ler
Nothing changes the fact that they purposely left out a banger. That's the worst crime.
What you're missing here is that *Biggering* fit the intended message of the *story The Lorax* so well it should be considered a crime it was purposely cut.
It’s amazing too, I searched it up and downloaded it to my phone it’s so good
For real. I thought Illumination's worst crime was creating the Minions, _but then I found out about Biggering..._
@@pearldab7781 Correction: It didn't fit *Illumination's* narrative of the Lorax story but this fit the original message perfectly. And that's precisely why they hated it....
"look there's some circling birds, I bet they gonna eat our corpses" I would of loved to hear that in a kids movie
Yes.
Ikr
Hhahaha I died at that part
My teacher saw me laughing on camera so hard because of that point and called me out
Same if show it to my kids many many times
The reason you can see the once-ler's face in the film is because illumination said that "It allows viewers to know that humans are the cause too."
7:39 my favorite part ☠️
huh, i'd never heard biggering before. it's a hell of a bop. 'too scary for kids'? come on, kids *love* scary shit. kids love villains! kids love scar, and ursula, and randall, and love villain songs.
I suspect it was a weak argument to have it cut without revealing their true motivations (it scared them more than it'd scare the kids)
Specifically, they’re more afraid of parents complaining how their kids were scared and sent messages that made them uncomfortable or confused or afraid they’d do what the Onceler did to the cute animals.
@@josepharmstrong1788 We've had scarier environmental movies aimed at kids to achieve a U certification (Watership Down) tbh studios need to grow a pair
@@josepharmstrong1788 I like Don bluth philosophy that kids can handle dark and scary stuff as long as you slap a happy ending on it and considering outside the Disney renaissance most movies I loved as a kid was what he did with scary stuff like the owl in the secret of nimh I have to agree
It’s just the whiny , bitchy parents who can take less shit then their kids can
Fun Fact: According to the director's commentary, five years go by during How Bad Can I Be, which is a reasonable time period for the destruction/Once-ler's attitude change to happen, but the movie itself gives no indication about the amount of time that's passed, everyone looks the same.
It felt like 5 minutes! It's supposed to be 5 years?
So in half a decade his business was shut down and all the trullffe trees were cut down and thneeds weren't popular anymore the valley was unliveable and the animals still live there and the Lorax still protested until the last tree was cut down
@@Wishtelle I know what they saying what I put is in that anount of time what I type down happen
@@Wishtelle what what
@@Wishtelle I not the one who confused you don't even who you are rafkil the lion king but all joking aside you clearly didn't read my comments clearly and thoughtly because I type down in 5 years span everything I said happen All the trees in the valley were cut down the valley was a wasteland the animals still live there until the last tree is chop down thneeds weren't popular anymore the lorax still protested until there weren't any trees left and the company ended that what I said which if 5 years had really past then I put should be in consideration for the details someone might ask which I sorta answer
I think "Biggering" would have been worthy of a best original song nomination.
How bad can i be: "I was bad, but not irredeemableeee"
Biggering: "I killed the earth single handedly. You're welcome"
That one Illumination employee after hearing Biggering: "Everyone, stop firing! We're shooting at our own men!"
Fire that guy.
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
Friendly fire will not be tolerated
“It was a misinput :0”
EXCUSE ME I GET THAT AND IM SAD
(Clone wars season 5 right- )
I'm shocked at the lack of "onceler fandom" references. good job
Honestly, I feel bad about how much flack that fandom gets. At least from the outside, it seemed like a pretty un-hateful space, with a lot of people just hanging out and having fun! It also provided us with some great meme material lol
That's fair and honestly kinder than a lot of people are GFSHG My feelings tend to be mixed but I certainly appreciate the meme material .
Wait what.
(Pssst hey, hey, nice pfp, always cool to see ace flags)
@@The_Sin_Squad were you there for the glovecest or no because i feel like that information heavily lends to people's opinions on the onceler fandom...
Biggering is a great song BUT How Bad Can I Be is something that feels more like what individual people are like. Most people are blind to the pollution and environmental destruction they are causing. Yes by the time you get to that level it should be too much to ignore but its a movie so everything is escalated.
Biggering is a villain song and I'm not a villain so I don't need to look closer to make sure I don't accidently do bad things because only villains would do that. But How Bad Can I Be and not noticing whats happening around you because everybody is doing it/encouraging it... that's real. The movie ABSOLUTLY should have shown more of the downsides to not having trees and nature besides just not having pretty things but I think the song was a good choice.
You know what if the problem was that they really wanted to keep "how bad can I be" they could have just used both.
Since we already had the Once-ler telling a story framing device, they could have made it so that the Once-ler first tells a white washed and sympathetic version of the story and sings "how bad can I be" (in this case the visuals are different and the final part of the song is altered so that we still don't know the entire scope of his actions) and then Ted thinks about it and realizes that based on what he told him there is no way that the environment got this fucked up, so he calls the Once-ler's bluff and only then we get biggering.
I like this idea better because not only we get both songs, despite pailling in comparison to biggering, how bad can I be is still catchy and I genuinely like it, but in this context the Once-ler is even worse than if we just got to see biggering, because he is still to this day white washing and lying about what he did.
Since in the actual movie the song is in story being told by the Once-ler, my headcannon is that how bad can I be is the story the Once-ler tells, while biggering is what actually happened.
Ummm, I quite like that idea. Not only that, in a way, it would actually make him worse then 1972. Plus, I kinda hc that the part of his mom telling him to do it was a lie 😬 or if it was the truth, it wasn't rlly in the way he told it. Instead of her keeping on egging him and adding that "do what's best for your mama" emotional blackmail crap, instead, it was actually more like how the ms funclere got him to keep going after he said he'd stop. Like, no actually manipulation, she didn't keep trying to egg him on after he says no, she suggests it once and he immediately does it for money
It also helps that they share some lyrics so it could be that during How Bad can I be, it could transition into Biggering somehow. Like the song gets cut in the middle due to Ted calling bs on the Onceler's story which then changes to Biggering
The Lorax: a guy simping so hard he brought back trees and brought about a societal revolution.
That was a joke, but oh god that’s the actual plot
Edit: What the fuck, why is it whenever I make an actual comment no one pays attention, and then I make a stupid joke about simping and I get over two hundred likes. I like it, but still. God damn.
@s h o r t i e :p na you ain't
The movie screwed up by not making the Once-Ler the focus. He's a tragic hero, and tragic heroes are always the protagonists, the center of the story. Think Sweeney Todd or Walter White. Instead, he almost takes a backseat to the Ted and O'Hare stuff that nobody cares about.
tragic hero? the once-ler?
i find that very hard to believe
... Except both of those were examples of outright villains rather than tragic heroes, were they not? Or, what is it, anti-heroes? Anti-villains? Feel like “tragic hero” doesn’t fit any of them.
@@alecLogan A tragic hero is someone who starts out the good guy and then is consumed by their flaws until they are no longer the good guy. I was trying to name examples that people here would recognize. The Star Wars prequels are another good mainstream example, but those movies weren't very well done. (Lucas needed a script doctor, and he needed to give his actors some breathing room.)
Anti-hero more like
Jodgee it’s more commonly known as an anti-hero
The onceler in biggering is the villain we needed
The only thing I could think about this is the fact that for me the movie was showing the buyers/consumers as the buy guy. The once-ler did what he did to get money, to grow his business but the people kept buying which only showed that he wasn't bad. The song more refers to the Lorax saying "these people buy from me so like am I really a dick?" I do believe the original to be about big corporation's but this movie seems to hit the consumer side, which in all honesty is true. When they show the city of people and how easily they want trees it's saying how greedy the consumers are. When they learn they can get this air they buy EVERY DAY for free. They can spend it more on random stuff like the sneed. I believe that Biggerer would have taken away from the idea of consumers being the bad guy in this sense (not only have been scary). And if anything they did push it that it was calling out consumers, I feel like a lot of people would not like being called out as a horrible person who causes this sort of stuff. Especially the quote from 11:51. He says "it ceases to be a story that is about all of us" This gives a view that this story is not only about the greedy corporates but about the needy consumers that they feed. If the once-ler is seen as someone unknown, they refuse to see the idea they are causing it.
Anyways, I think the song was added not to make the once-ler seem "innocent" but to show how the consumer side gave way for the greed that happened. And how the once-ler looked at the camera (consumers) and never looked at anything else because he was doing what the people wanted and didn't think of how this would effect the economy as it didn't seem they even cared. (shown by how many people forgot about the trees, sneed, and once-ler so easily; they were no longer relevant when they were gone).
I actually really like that the repeated line is “How bad can I be”, at first it sounds like “I’m a good guy, I don’t wanna destroy nature, I’m just trying to be someone”. And then the tone switches and it starts sounding more like “how bad CAN I be?” As in like “how far can I get with this”.
Yeah
Well apparently you can get pretty goddamn far since Disney is now the government of the state of Florida
Edit: was, the government decided that a corporate entity is fine with ruling but adding gay characters is too far
@@lazyliongames6660 wait are you serious
@@Data-Expungeded used too thankfully the governors got sense knocked into them but for awhile yeah
@@Data-Expungeded it wasn’t the whole government of Florida. Disney World had a specific area in Florida that was under their own government, not Florida’s. The governor signed a bill that would revoke that back in April
Petition to put 'Biggening' into the inevitable Lorax musical
I'D SIGN----- I was even thinking about it when she was going through the different parts of the original soundtrack.
yes
What inevitable Lorax musical?
+Clue Gemmel
Petition to force Illuminatoins to actually fully turn the original script for the movie with the Biggering into a completed movie. I'd pay to see that.
@@IcyDiamond there's stage musical adaptations of pretty much everything, 80s murder movies, Jane Austen, Disney movies, horror movies, books I probably wouldn't have heard of if it wasn't for the musical, history, and the list goes on, so a musical for the lorax wouldn't be far-fetched
Once-ler: haha tree go brr
Lorlax: nOoOooO my a e s t h e t i c
Memes
a e s t h e t i c
😂😂
How am i meant to donate to save the trees now
save the trees for lorax's aesthetic
One thing I really liked about the original short: Littering. The pollution wasn’t just from the factory, but also from the people living nearby. They just threw stuff out the windows, expecting their garbage to go away. It didn’t go away, it landed literally on the Lorax and his friends.
What's worse though is that even when we put the trash in dumps it doesn't just magically go away. There's nothing we can do about it.
the thing I really liked from the short was the line "you want me to shut down my factory, fire hundreds of workers, put them out of the job?" "I see what you mean and I can't provide an answer" it really has a lot of wait and shows how hard the answer can be/doesn't go to another extreme
Seuss knew he didn’t have the answer. But that didn’t mean we should ignore all the problems, and how three-dimensional they are.
“gives no reason why pollution is bad”
from a kids perspective seeing cute animals and the fish getting “sludged” and bear getting the apple taking away from and being sad.
I think it shows how pollution made the animals sad and makes the kid think pollution is bad
8:35 isnt that the point tho? That he didnt care about whats outside his buisness till it was too late. You gotta have a flaw to improve. Him seeing the damage after it was too late helps him teach ted to start caring now. And i think the townspeople cared cause they got hit that the world isnt sunshine. They believed everything was fine as long as it was fake. But ted showing the descrution showed that they need to "wake up" and put in the effort to make a place a good and "perfect" place. (This doesnt mean i hate biggering! I LOVED the song when i first heard it and was so shocked when i heard who sung it and it was from the lorax)
Honestly, for the next topic you brought up, I can only bring up this quote from Stranger Things:
“People don't spend their lives trying to get a look at what's behind the curtain. They like the curtain. It provides them stability, comfort, and definition.” Thus, a person does not simply leave behind their comfort life to fight for a cause they only knew for 10 seconds. We know that the common citizen in The Lorax is the basic mindless consumer.
@@attackoramic8361 yeah little unrealistic I admit but hey its what a only hour or so movie for kids in the end
The purpose of something does not indicate its quality.
Tbh I actually kinda find “biggering” actually kinda catchy, I guess it’s just me but I rather listen to that then “how bad can I be”XD
It sounds so cool and dark and it really just hits differently
Not just you, I agree, I listen to biggering on spotify every now and then, I actually really enjoy how it sounds and I wish they'd use it instead of the song they changed to
It's really good. I'm no expert, but I think it's up there with some of the better, if not best, Disney villain songs.
I love it. Its cool and I like things that give me chills.
Aye, played it on repeat after watching this video
I will dispute only one thing. The Lorax is not Dr. Seuss’ darkest book. That distinction belongs to the criminally under-read “The Butter Battle Book.”
What about Thidwick the Big-Hearted Moose? Most of the characters literally get shot, stuffed, and mounted by hunters at the end! There's an actual illustration of their dead bodies!
I read it when I was about 12 (via an iPad). The ending is dark but at the same time, ambiguous, even the cartoon adaptation doesn't help either since it ended the same as the book. If there is an animated movie adaptation based on the book, then it probably ends on a positive note to see which sides are gonna win.
So anyways, I'm gonna get the bread and butter and put it into two together.
Bro we literally analyzed that book in my world history class
That book's ending was incredible. My small child brain couldn't stop thinking about it for days.
Yes, that one is really dark. Both are quite dark. One can say that The Lorax is less so because it shows a glimmer of hope. While TBBB ends in an stand still waiting for disaster. I mean there you have the hope for the sides to stop but all the story shows that maybe that it is not possible. Meanwhile in the Lorax the damage is already done and the hope comes from what the future generations could do. So yeah. In that sense it is darker as you pointed out.
The trees can't be harmed if the lorax is armed
This is a great video! I have watched this like 5 times already 😊
Aww, thanks so much!! :D
“A corporate figure can be relatable, likable even; and still make the conscious choice to exploit and even kill to further their business”
Elon Musk, is that you?
👀👀
Yes. Yes, it is.
I was just thinking that the original onceler seems to be a spitting image of Elon, or at least his Twitter persona. Elon tries to be a likeable person, but every once in awhile intentionally or not, his mask slips and there is no plausible deniability left for him.
“Who cares, we will coup who we want!”
this is exactly what i was thinking
I was seriously expecting them to show him at some point as she was saying that
The concept of the Onceler always scared me as a child, because he didn't look any older than his mid 20s. It sent the message that anyone at any age could live to be the villain
That was the intent, but they screwed it up by making him a victim of peer pressure and ridiculously rushing his decent into greed and pride.