The (Cut) Song That Could Have Saved The Once-Ler

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  • Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
  • So...Illumination Entertainment's The Lorax and corporations, eh?
    Huge thank-you to Avalon Rosalin ( / @avalonwatchingvideos2683 ) and Reye (ua-cam.com/channels/sta.html...) for their feedback, and for telling me about the other cut songs!
    Also, about that second segment: I want to make clear that I DO also care about trees and animals for their own sake! However, you can't really make a strong conservationist argument without a nod to how the destruction of the planet will harm people as well as trees.
    PATREON: / cushfuddledvideos
    MUSIC
    "How Bad Can I Be?" - The Lorax
    "Biggering" - The Lorax
    "Thneedville (Demo)" - The Lorax
    "The Once-ler's Traveling Madness" - The Lorax
    "Off Broadway" - Werner Tautz
    Bad trumpet - • Video
    "Gilbertos Job" - • Gilbertos Job - roya...
    "Repeat Stuff" - Bo Burnham
    "Scary Rising Horror" - • Suspense Sound Effect ...
    "Hellfire" - The Hunchback of Notre Dame
    "Moonlight Sonata" - Beethoven
    FOOTAGE
    The Lorax (2012)
    The Simpsons
    Finding Nemo
    Hercules
    Mulan
    0:00 Intro
    2:00 The Lorax
    6:24 How Bad Can I Be?
    14:55 Biggering
    20:48 Credits
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  • @rylie5190
    @rylie5190 3 роки тому +4738

    It was cut because the onceler fandom would have too much power.

    • @fruitygarlic3601
      @fruitygarlic3601 3 роки тому +602

      Imagine how strong their aura of horniness would be if they listened to rock opera. We would all pass away.

    • @somedragonbastard
      @somedragonbastard 3 роки тому +412

      @@fruitygarlic3601 rock opera is one of the sexiest genres they would kill us all with a glance

    • @royyy390
      @royyy390 3 роки тому +131

      @@fruitygarlic3601 *Baby I'm not even here, I'm a hallucination*

    • @royyy390
      @royyy390 3 роки тому +49

      It's true, we would

    • @lauvayed
      @lauvayed 3 роки тому +41

      Something bad would happen we would destroy everything

  • @edithgrey7845
    @edithgrey7845 3 роки тому +13732

    “He’s given a face and a personality and a hipster outfit to appeal to the pre teens” **the onceler fandom intensifies**

  • @wafflkitty5001
    @wafflkitty5001 Рік тому +1748

    Not to mention that in Biggering, there's the line, "I don't wanna hear you're crying." It adds to the fact that he is aware of the pain he is causing and that so many things are suffering and he has the ability to help but chooses not too. Kinda reminds me of some modern day billionaires, no?

    • @lovelessmik5127
      @lovelessmik5127 Рік тому +90

      exactly right. he's consciously aware that he's causing pain but he decides to ignore it, he decides to not hear them, because after all, "who cares if some things are dying?", right?

    • @Brazilsfirstcommiefemboyleader
      @Brazilsfirstcommiefemboyleader 11 місяців тому

      @wafflkitty5001 I know I'm extremely late but when that part came I had to pause because it hit home way more than I expected.
      Our ex-president, Bolsonaro, said something very similar when the pandemic was at its peak. On top of refusing to buy the vaccine and ignoring Pfizer email's for months, debilitating the universal healthcare care system, refusing to supply a capital city with oxygen, ending in mass graves, all the while promoting hydrochloroquine and ivermectin and being anti mask and vax.
      When we were approaching 300 thousand deaths he said in a official speech and interviews when asked about it
      "You are going to keep crying until when? This is a country of pussies, when asked about the mass graves " Why do you ask me? I don't work at the graveyard "
      I know this is kinda unrelated but still

    • @grandempressvicky6387
      @grandempressvicky6387 11 місяців тому +13

      ​@@lovelessmik5127especially since listening to their cries would mean stopping production thus ceasing his endless profits.

    • @Whats9plus10_21_Ustupid
      @Whats9plus10_21_Ustupid 11 місяців тому +8

      *Cough cough* Jeff Bezos *Cough cough* Elon Musk

    • @vilmavenla
      @vilmavenla 10 місяців тому +20

      The How bad can I be Once-ler:
      Hey, it's not my fault a few trees are dying, my family forced me into doing this!
      Biggering Once-ler: I know i'm hurting trees, animals, and possibly human by doing this, I just don't care.

  • @edworld2.
    @edworld2. Рік тому +3724

    If they ever do a Lorax musical, this will be in it. Mainly because musicals don’t give a sh*t about “how dark they are”

    • @lovelessmik5127
      @lovelessmik5127 Рік тому +149

      i think a lorax musical would be great

    • @despaiirx5487
      @despaiirx5487 Рік тому +75

      IDEAS PEOPLE IDEAS!!! Wait I could have sworn I saw a Lorax Musical online…I dont know but YES I SUPPORT THIS IDEA!

    • @edworld2.
      @edworld2. Рік тому +72

      @@despaiirx5487 There was one made by the Old Vic in London in 2015 but it was based on the book and it was a stage adaptation, not a musical and yes, “I may not have a brain gentlemen but I have an idea”

    • @wufflesmcnotadoggo
      @wufflesmcnotadoggo Рік тому +51

      As an actual musical the Lorax could have both songs and make it work, they're both good songs and they go hard for their own reasons but also with the amount of song reprises you get in musical theatre it wouldn't be that far fetched to say biggering could potentially act as a reprise to hbcib

    • @berryheartz6015
      @berryheartz6015 Рік тому +20

      Yeah my brothers school musical did little shop of horrors, when the drama club kids at my school went to see it on their field trip they had to cut out parts cause it was too violent and now I see why after watching it there

  • @corvidkhaos
    @corvidkhaos 3 роки тому +8032

    just hearing "the onceler" in reference to to the film's plot rather than to the fandom is wild

    • @FiSH-iSH
      @FiSH-iSH 3 роки тому +249

      we do not talk about them.

    • @LycanMOON
      @LycanMOON 3 роки тому +65

      We do talk about them cuz it’s good

    • @farateq
      @farateq 3 роки тому +226

      @@FiSH-iSH there is no onceler fandom in ba sing se

    • @donnamitsuki281
      @donnamitsuki281 3 роки тому +44

      That thing is still alive????

    • @aoisstuff6565
      @aoisstuff6565 3 роки тому +47

      The friend still crushes on him.
      *Send help.*

  • @AddamsrUs13
    @AddamsrUs13 3 роки тому +4896

    Also Biggering is a WAY BETTER example of the RANGE of Ed Helms ???? Like if that's him singing my man is BELTING

    • @The_Sin_Squad
      @The_Sin_Squad  3 роки тому +1008

      The main singer is actually Gabriel Mann from The Rescues and he's SOOOO GOOOOOD! Gah, I love The Rescues :'D another reason why Biggering makes me go "!!!"

    • @chungusbungus1633
      @chungusbungus1633 3 роки тому +273

      Why am I learning that Ed Helms voiced the ONCELER from a UA-cam COMMENT, also I just looked at the cast and WTF

    • @crystocious6715
      @crystocious6715 3 роки тому +51

      I thought it was a Muse song for a hot second! I was like, hey I like Muse, and they did Uprising. 🤩

    • @goobysooby
      @goobysooby 3 роки тому +8

      @@chungusbungus1633 holy shit they have so many big names

    • @lordlandcandlestick3010
      @lordlandcandlestick3010 3 роки тому +28

      it's also honestly just kind of a bop??? like i can find myself listening to it unironically because it's just that good

  • @sleepysteev2735
    @sleepysteev2735 Рік тому +1203

    How Bad Can I Be: how the Once-ler remembers it
    Biggering: What actually happened

    • @jeffalbertson2213
      @jeffalbertson2213 Рік тому +39

      no, the onceler know how bad he acted, that’s the whole point of him telling ted the story and giving him the truffula seed.

    • @koolkid4825
      @koolkid4825 Місяць тому +20

      it’s probably more like how bad can I be is what the onceler tells the kid because he couldn’t put into words what he actually did in biggering

    • @TheMFThatAsked
      @TheMFThatAsked Місяць тому +4

      ​@@koolkid4825 Genius.

    • @nightey975
      @nightey975 Місяць тому

      @@jeffalbertson2213I feel like you could interpret this as Biggering being what actually happened, and the Once-Ler sees it that way instead of how HBCIB portrays the scenario long after all the trees were cut off.

  • @Reginald_Ritmo
    @Reginald_Ritmo Рік тому +346

    I feel like "How bad can I be" better captures the "corperate sleazeball" energy, but Biggering makes the Oncler more of an actual "villan".

    • @Smell-Of-The-Game
      @Smell-Of-The-Game Місяць тому +3

      Biggering is the musical equivalent of sticking it to the man

  • @jazmindodds
    @jazmindodds 3 роки тому +6443

    When I was 12, "How bad can I be?" actually hit me hard- this one would have absolutely blown my mind

    • @strawberryskeletons1770
      @strawberryskeletons1770 3 роки тому +88

      Ikr

    • @marshamellow8205
      @marshamellow8205 3 роки тому +319

      Gotta be honest same. But I think I will be horrified for life if it was the song biggering, and I would not sleep for days. But hey I watched cute stuff animal stab each other when I was 8 so yeah I can handle it owo
      I mean, internet, am I right?

    • @hazukichanx408
      @hazukichanx408 3 роки тому +143

      I feel like this could be (or could have been) part of why the song was changed, too... "Will this version simply be too much of a blunt instrument, pushing people away rather than slapping them awake? Will it feel too preachy, and fail to connect with the viewer?" I don't know, of course, but I kind of respect Illumination for at least getting How Bad Can I Be out there for people's minds to chew on.

    • @degenerat9329
      @degenerat9329 3 роки тому +16

      @@marshamellow8205 Wait are you talking about htf?

    • @TristonPendarvis
      @TristonPendarvis 3 роки тому +2

      2012 was trash

  • @maverickdarkrath4780
    @maverickdarkrath4780 3 роки тому +11303

    Actually the original Oncesler was intentionally made faceless so that he could represent anybody, that anybody no matter who you are could easily fall into the slippery slope he fell into.

    • @Necrapocalypse
      @Necrapocalypse 3 роки тому +646

      While that's definitely something I've heard before, I hadn't considered that when I watched the original on its own merit. I did see him as an other and if anyone was me it was the child given the seed. Which I guess is actually also the intent. Adults who are old enough to potentially become subordinate to someone like the Once-ler or become like him themselves can see themselves reflected in him and children are given the chance to create a better future, but only because the Once-ler (adults) gave them it.
      Anyway, my original point was that making him a highly relatable everyman protagonist is at least as good of a starting point as a faceless older man, if not actually better.

    • @joshuastoaac9572
      @joshuastoaac9572 3 роки тому +184

      Now THAT is scary

    • @Parkiiee
      @Parkiiee 3 роки тому +163

      Instead he looks like leafy

    • @samiamtheman7379
      @samiamtheman7379 3 роки тому +315

      In the old cartoon version, he even justifies his actions saying that if he didn't do it, then someone else would anyway.

    • @cwheels01
      @cwheels01 3 роки тому +70

      @@Necrapocalypse On that last paragraph there, that. Well, almost that. They didn't play it off that way. The ability to interpret it that way only shows that you're already aware of your own capacity for destruction. I'm not sure if that's a lesson to teach a child or not, but it's far more accurate than creating a corporate boogeyman antagonist.
      They really could have nailed a good concept there though.

  • @xxreaperkatxx
    @xxreaperkatxx Рік тому +1024

    5:22 "Look, Its... some circling birds, I bet you they're going to, EAT. OUR. CORPSES." is probably my absolute favorite line for some reason.

  • @yumithehunter6292
    @yumithehunter6292 Рік тому +743

    The sad part of biggering is it showed Ed helms true potential. Holy fuck he portrays it too well. I honestly don’t think anyone could’ve done it else

    • @zer289
      @zer289 Рік тому +84

      it was not ed helms it was another singer if you listen to both songs the voices are different, it was planned that ed helms and danny devito sing this song

    • @whitneyfluttershyelizabeth
      @whitneyfluttershyelizabeth Рік тому +27

      @@zer289 the demo guy for Ed sounds like Jack Black to me 😂

    • @theyadore_sayu1
      @theyadore_sayu1 Рік тому +6

      ​@@whitneyfluttershyelizabethI believe it is

    • @user-tb6hc2bx9w
      @user-tb6hc2bx9w 5 місяців тому +6

      The 88 sang Biggering

  • @tf2_engineer_real
    @tf2_engineer_real 3 роки тому +9914

    How Bad Can I Be: "Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'"
    Biggering: "Your honor, my client pleads 'Dont care didn't ask'"

    • @fluffberrieh2335
      @fluffberrieh2335 3 роки тому +773

      "Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'" is the best sentence ever posted on the internet

    • @JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu
      @JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu 3 роки тому +541

      Your honor, my client pleads "no❤️"

    • @sugarcherries6760
      @sugarcherries6760 3 роки тому +91

      @@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu OMG I’M SCREAMING CXVSKWNSH-

    • @oreo_6206
      @oreo_6206 3 роки тому +25

      @@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu sgdr et

    • @Vexin980
      @Vexin980 3 роки тому +24

      @@sugarcherries6760 Are you okay?

  • @davidgarcia0604
    @davidgarcia0604 Рік тому +8389

    I like how in Biggering. The Lorax isn't trying to save the trees, he's trying to save Once-ler

    • @Man_Aslume
      @Man_Aslume Рік тому +179

      When Lorax said "the man you used you to be."
      It seemed like it was meant for the song

    • @TaliyahWilliams-we8fp
      @TaliyahWilliams-we8fp Рік тому +51

      @Dusty_Rusty hell nah 😟

    • @guywiththepvzpfp2630
      @guywiththepvzpfp2630 Рік тому +58

      He’s trying to save both

    • @WinQiu10
      @WinQiu10 Рік тому +19

      ​@Dusty_Rusty don't give them ideas

    • @ae-kz4xd
      @ae-kz4xd Рік тому +37

      I mean trying to save onceler will save whole arm, trying to save tree will save only little finger

  • @Nerdtendo6366
    @Nerdtendo6366 Рік тому +264

    When you make a song so good that you have to cut it from the movie so it doesn’t implode the universe from being so good:

    • @wiggard
      @wiggard Рік тому +9

      Illumination:

  • @topaz7462
    @topaz7462 Рік тому +306

    Id love to see some indie studio remake this film without any restrictions, go as dark as they can, drive the message home

  • @officialteaoflife9026
    @officialteaoflife9026 3 роки тому +21042

    ‘How Bad Can I Be’ is basically a Kidz Bob version of ‘Biggering’.

    • @SlickBillByron
      @SlickBillByron 3 роки тому +174

      Ikr

    • @elijahking519
      @elijahking519 3 роки тому +103

      Yep

    • @amyliaclenny1866
      @amyliaclenny1866 3 роки тому +251

      Bob... I thought itwas *Bop* ...
      Not that either titles make sense to me as descriptive of that type of music. *Biggering* & music songs like it sound too grandious to be called *Bop music* ... I love it, I just think it needs a more fitting name.

    • @theslashmanrc7503
      @theslashmanrc7503 3 роки тому +22

      Yep

    • @hufflepup6491
      @hufflepup6491 3 роки тому +98

      After kidz bob we have adult bop were we put in as many curse words as possible
      *unoriginal*

  • @knightatyourservice7512
    @knightatyourservice7512 3 роки тому +4405

    To be honest, "Biggering" would have made the obsession of shipping Once-Ler with himself and only with himself a bit more understandable.

    • @marsbarr4144
      @marsbarr4144 3 роки тому +480

      the fandom cant even be justified even with that

    • @justthatoneguy64
      @justthatoneguy64 3 роки тому +370

      @@marsbarr4144 NOTHING can justify that

    • @zannis5441
      @zannis5441 3 роки тому +102

      You are not wrong this curse is correct.

    • @nuggs5509
      @nuggs5509 3 роки тому +69

      407+ people are okay with that...

    • @justthatoneguy64
      @justthatoneguy64 3 роки тому +27

      @@nuggs5509 fair enough

  • @x.honeyboo.x6573
    @x.honeyboo.x6573 Рік тому +117

    “How bad can I be” and “biggering” could have both been in the movie, and ik people in the comments already said this but god it would have made this movie so much more iconic! “How bad can I be” can show the once-ler starting his business still having the mindset of “it wouldn’t hurt to cut down a few trees.” And “biggering” would show the viewer his descent into corporate greed and his awareness to the damage he has caused but he is just too focused on the money.
    This would have saved his character and made him a very awesome villain.

  • @PrixtoTNT
    @PrixtoTNT Рік тому +127

    The saddest part about this song not being in the movie is that it's more similar to the original story than the rest of the movie

  • @radicalraddish6292
    @radicalraddish6292 3 роки тому +19415

    The lorax: or how corporate consumerism ruined an anti corporate consumerist message

    • @The_Sin_Squad
      @The_Sin_Squad  3 роки тому +2711

      WELL D A N G now I wish THAT was the title!!

    • @radicalraddish6292
      @radicalraddish6292 3 роки тому +502

      @@The_Sin_Squad its all yours if you want it. Lol

    • @jessetheking5756
      @jessetheking5756 3 роки тому +80

      I broke the 666 likes, you're welcome.

    • @agenttexas3334
      @agenttexas3334 3 роки тому +40

      But then we wouldn’t have o hare memes wouldn’t we

    • @master0fthearts894
      @master0fthearts894 3 роки тому +27

      @@The_Sin_Squad Well, then you wouldn’t have been able to snag that thumbnail.

  • @j_g9109
    @j_g9109 3 роки тому +11953

    “Who cares if some things are dying.
    I don’t want to hear your crying.”
    Like... damn.

    • @hazukichanx408
      @hazukichanx408 3 роки тому +725

      The way business suits talk when the microphones aren't around.

    • @kstar1489
      @kstar1489 3 роки тому +347

      I mean that’s real life right there

    • @j_g9109
      @j_g9109 3 роки тому +310

      @@kstar1489 I know, but the fact that this is how many think in rl makes the lyrics even more f-ed up.

    • @binoobear9607
      @binoobear9607 3 роки тому +101

      Best part of Biggering 100%

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 роки тому +118

      the Once-ler did say Biggering more than once in the original 70's short, so that's probably the inspiration for the song.

  • @kcm7813
    @kcm7813 11 місяців тому +50

    I kinda hope, one day, the lorax gets a broadway stage musical that gives the all the demo songs the respect the deserve .

  • @lawsongolder618
    @lawsongolder618 Рік тому +84

    1:09 "It all started a long time ago"
    "Can we start not so long ago maybe?"
    "do you want a tree?"
    "Yes.. yes"
    "THEN IT ALL STARTED A LON-"

    • @Gabriel.570
      @Gabriel.570 6 місяців тому +7

      The CUT was perfect

  • @brittanynguyen3794
    @brittanynguyen3794 3 роки тому +3404

    “The song was too dark”
    Alex Hirsch wants to talk with Illumination

    • @peakautism
      @peakautism 3 роки тому +43

      lmaooo

    • @kitsuneakage22
      @kitsuneakage22 3 роки тому +75

      I M A G I N E

    • @iker2333
      @iker2333 3 роки тому +178

      Its gonna get...
      WEIRD!

    • @bett1826
      @bett1826 3 роки тому +177

      *just another goofy episode filled with silly jokes for kids*

    • @TimmieLost
      @TimmieLost 3 роки тому +78

      It's too dark, you can't make money from dark kids' movies
      Don Bluth: Hold my beer

  • @ellyelly7235
    @ellyelly7235 3 роки тому +2769

    The line "I don't want to hear you crying" in biggering also implies awareness and intent

    • @milx7210
      @milx7210 3 роки тому +125

      Yeah that and also he doesn’t give a f***k

    • @hazukichanx408
      @hazukichanx408 3 роки тому +182

      Ah, the classic authoritarian fallacy: "If this thing I do makes you cry, you're the one who should feel bad about it."

    • @justanormalinvestigator2640
      @justanormalinvestigator2640 3 роки тому +59

      Basically the ultimate “Lol ok”

    • @edorasmarauder5761
      @edorasmarauder5761 3 роки тому +20

      @@hazukichanx408 I think that's gaslighting

    • @sarinabina5487
      @sarinabina5487 3 роки тому +24

      @@justanormalinvestigator2640 The Onceler in “Biggering”: so anyway, i started chopping-

  • @sodadrink8363
    @sodadrink8363 11 місяців тому +50

    as someone who admittedly likes both songs for different reasons (biggering is darker and overall better to listen to, but HBCIB is clever in more subtle and realistic ways), i've always imagined that HBCIB is the story told by the young onceler, while biggering is the story told by the older, wiser onceler

  • @roarkthehalf-orc6598
    @roarkthehalf-orc6598 Рік тому +69

    Biggering is so good it hurts. That line about pride is absolutely profound and 100% truth. It really is the root of all evil

  • @lily-zc2eq
    @lily-zc2eq 3 роки тому +10205

    if both songs were in the movie , with how bad can i be first , and biggering second , kind of signifying his decent into evil , it would’ve been great

    • @tzshchsjsjxijyo
      @tzshchsjsjxijyo 2 роки тому +491

      It’s like “A UA-camr’s Descent Into Insanity” but with the once-ler’s descent into greed in a song

    • @stock2896
      @stock2896 2 роки тому +446

      I actually think this would have been something that maybe could have worked, giving him more screen time but then the plausible deniability part of the how bad can i be song is kinda not making sense. maybe he sees the destruction but still chooses to willingly ignore it for money.

    • @WuBuzhidao
      @WuBuzhidao 2 роки тому +11

      my boyfriend has the same pfp as you

    • @aglassofcyanide8266
      @aglassofcyanide8266 2 роки тому +70

      I would love that! Tbh, i really like How Bad Can I Be. But, Biggering sounds really cool! I want both! 😭

    • @sev1120
      @sev1120 2 роки тому +114

      @@stock2896 maybe have 2 minutes of how bad can I be, but after the first chorus it breaks, then Biggering comes in

  • @EurekaX
    @EurekaX 3 роки тому +20323

    There’s a irony in corporate greed cutting a song about corporate greed.

    • @XMarkxyz
      @XMarkxyz 2 роки тому +545

      ... that cuts trees

    • @lv4519
      @lv4519 2 роки тому +327

      It's called co-opting, baby 😎👉👉

    • @sud1881
      @sud1881 2 роки тому +509

      That’s not ironic because it was completely expected. You know how because why would a massive corporation tell kids that massive corporations are only after money and will ignore any damage to the environment while in a pursuit for money.

    • @magentasky234
      @magentasky234 2 роки тому +118

      And then placing tons of sponsors from companies in the movie.

    • @boop99
      @boop99 2 роки тому +12

      That's not quite what irony is

  • @catharticgemini
    @catharticgemini 11 місяців тому +39

    It would've been something SUPERB to have Illumination bring a story like this in the form of a rock opera with this track. Fuckin still think it rules

  • @rondscha1203
    @rondscha1203 Рік тому +117

    16:38 honestly I’m just humming biggering to myself everywhere. While doing the dishes, on the bus, I don’t care. It’s a masterpiece

  • @crashed_86
    @crashed_86 3 роки тому +4432

    That one Illumination employee after hearing Biggering: "Everyone, stop firing! We're shooting at our own men!"

    • @nicholasmahoney7820
      @nicholasmahoney7820 2 роки тому +141

      Fire that guy.

    • @JimmyBoy9878
      @JimmyBoy9878 2 роки тому +11

      Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.

    • @PerryPienfeld
      @PerryPienfeld 2 роки тому +120

      Friendly fire will not be tolerated

    • @iamfanime2535
      @iamfanime2535 2 роки тому +70

      “It was a misinput :0”

    • @freshpetrichor
      @freshpetrichor 2 роки тому +41

      EXCUSE ME I GET THAT AND IM SAD
      (Clone wars season 5 right- )

  • @plushy_doctor2299
    @plushy_doctor2299 3 роки тому +4528

    "Biggering" sounds so epic, I can't even-
    Also, they could've have made it so the Once-ler loved his donkey a lot more and it dies because of the shlop and smog. Not to be relentlessly dark, but to push another message - we don't care about anything until it personally effects us.

    • @k.r4312
      @k.r4312 3 роки тому +303

      That would be so sad, but very affective

    • @plushy_doctor2299
      @plushy_doctor2299 3 роки тому +76

      @@k.r4312 I know, right?

    • @benny687
      @benny687 3 роки тому +231

      People can argue that that's too dark but Lion king, Bambi, Nemo, and Up did that

    • @plushy_doctor2299
      @plushy_doctor2299 3 роки тому +44

      @@benny687 I guess in a sense - they're not exactly the same, but yea.

    • @seamusmckeon9109
      @seamusmckeon9109 3 роки тому +83

      It would be even more effective if he came to the decision to chop down the truffulas on his own and not though his mom telling him to.

  • @weirddood1774
    @weirddood1774 Рік тому +47

    To be honest, I’m more confused on who made a song that goes as FREAKING HARD as Biggering for a company as goofy as Illumination!

  • @ciennelson1514
    @ciennelson1514 Рік тому +42

    The only argument I have about "Biggering" is that without subtitles, I wouldn't be able to distinguish what the Once-Ler was even saying and I would've never gotten the message

    • @lunasuji
      @lunasuji Рік тому +18

      Well, what we have is a demo version. A movie version would probably be clearer

  • @Shythalia
    @Shythalia 3 роки тому +4645

    Biggering actually sounds like a villain song.

    • @MarksterC
      @MarksterC 3 роки тому +206

      yea it honestly fits that cinematic more

    • @OverZeelous
      @OverZeelous 3 роки тому +161

      Less Villain, more Tragic Hero.
      Unfortunately, Illumination didn't want that. For, one reason or another..

    • @samyell1953
      @samyell1953 3 роки тому +19

      @@epic35YT we watched different movies then

    • @HanhNaTravisJaslyn
      @HanhNaTravisJaslyn 3 роки тому +5

      eh, I don’t think that’s not enough proof

    • @artificialcatvari
      @artificialcatvari 3 роки тому +29

      @@epic35YT Bro. Biggering was never in the movie, and film making industries don’t just cut a fully animated and sung sequence after its already been released. That doesn’t happen. Ever. Quit your BS and stop lying.

  • @Fckwitt
    @Fckwitt 3 роки тому +1531

    "look there's some circling birds, I bet they gonna eat our corpses" I would of loved to hear that in a kids movie

  • @upcomingperson4098
    @upcomingperson4098 7 місяців тому +20

    Something I noticed in the lyrics:
    In the last part (where the chorus takes place), the Once-ler says this:
    "Though biggering is triggering more biggering!"
    But then, in the next part, he says this:
    "And biggering is triggering more biggering!"
    "Though" is replaced with "and," like Once-ler's fully accepting what he's doing. This could imply that Once-ler was having second thoughts. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things.

  • @chantehr5748
    @chantehr5748 Рік тому +27

    Biggering show the true nature of the Onceler. Especially the lines "I don't wanna hear your crying! It's all so gratifying!"

  • @achillskeleton1200
    @achillskeleton1200 3 роки тому +3572

    To be honest “biggering” creates more of an emotional impact than the entirety of the Lorax movie

    • @RaspBerryPies
      @RaspBerryPies 2 роки тому +154

      Bro exactly! I mean no shade to “How bad can I be” on its own it’s not the worst song but it is literally feels so empty and meaningless after listening to “Biggering” the entire movie feels so empty. Like just listening to that song by itself Is it’s own story it’s so powerful.

    • @qiwunu
      @qiwunu Рік тому +36

      dude i would legit go back in time and pay them to keep biggering instead of how bad can i be

    • @zer289
      @zer289 Рік тому +17

      @@qiwunu if you pay them to do the original script of the movie

    • @Rurike
      @Rurike Рік тому +2

      I guess one good thing came from this movie

    • @Nobody142
      @Nobody142 Рік тому

      @@RaspBerryPies Biggering is a horrible song lmao

  • @wave6553
    @wave6553 3 роки тому +4184

    You ever think about how literally everyone except Zac Efron and Taylor Swift sing in this movie?

    • @mlpdisneylover
      @mlpdisneylover 3 роки тому +300

      Bruh that’s wasted potential 😕

    • @thehuman2cs715
      @thehuman2cs715 3 роки тому +316

      Why did they even get them if they weren't gonna sing

    • @Probably_Daniel
      @Probably_Daniel 3 роки тому +236

      Strangely, I remember Taylor Swift singing Let It Grow, but it sounded more similar to Let It Go. I recently re-watched the movie, and was surprised to see that that line wasn't there. Weird.

    • @shwembo
      @shwembo 3 роки тому +21

      Cause they didnt want the actors to feel bad

    • @Tepurcat
      @Tepurcat 3 роки тому +8

      Why

  • @Odd_Orion
    @Odd_Orion Рік тому +36

    I always thought that they scrapped 'biggering' for the whole purpose of making good ol' Oncie a redeamable character and I don't think I was to far off, I'm still disappointed that they didn't put biggering in the movie because that song is an absolute ear worm that gets its point made.

  • @tennisplayer3705
    @tennisplayer3705 Рік тому +31

    i like to think that when the last tree falls and the onceler is looking around, looking devastated, its not bc he just is realizing he killed the environment, but bc hes realizing his empire is coming to an end and now he has to face the consequences he was trying to avoid (his fam leaving him, his power getting taken from him, etc.)

  • @quandariusquanglebangle9634
    @quandariusquanglebangle9634 Рік тому +17930

    My personal theory is that "How bad can I be" is the story that the onceler told the kid and "Biggering" is what actually happened

    • @mizzybluth4550
      @mizzybluth4550 Рік тому +1073

      F##KING GENIUS

    • @mjjjermaine
      @mjjjermaine Рік тому +1787

      +
      I love this theory, because I think both songs work together rather than one or the other

    • @omnimonium
      @omnimonium Рік тому +865

      that's what i considered, too. it's obviously not canon, but what i'd prefer to believe nonetheless

    • @greenytoaster
      @greenytoaster Рік тому +637

      The best way to lie is to sprinkle some truth into it, hence the similar lyrics.

    • @theincredibleauraaa133
      @theincredibleauraaa133 Рік тому +138

      Holy shit

  • @katherinebell8176
    @katherinebell8176 2 роки тому +4609

    I actually really like that the repeated line is “How bad can I be”, at first it sounds like “I’m a good guy, I don’t wanna destroy nature, I’m just trying to be someone”. And then the tone switches and it starts sounding more like “how bad CAN I be?” As in like “how far can I get with this”.

    • @irok1
      @irok1 2 роки тому +38

      Yeah

    • @lazyliongames6660
      @lazyliongames6660 2 роки тому +184

      Well apparently you can get pretty goddamn far since Disney is now the government of the state of Florida
      Edit: was, the government decided that a corporate entity is fine with ruling but adding gay characters is too far

    • @Data-Expungeded
      @Data-Expungeded 2 роки тому +20

      @@lazyliongames6660 wait are you serious

    • @lazyliongames6660
      @lazyliongames6660 2 роки тому +43

      @@Data-Expungeded used too thankfully the governors got sense knocked into them but for awhile yeah

    • @snowikitt1558
      @snowikitt1558 Рік тому +75

      @@Data-Expungeded it wasn’t the whole government of Florida. Disney World had a specific area in Florida that was under their own government, not Florida’s. The governor signed a bill that would revoke that back in April

  • @marlonlernmark
    @marlonlernmark Рік тому +89

    The Lorax feels like a fight between the writers wanting to make an anti corporation movie, while the higher ups wanted to make a pro corporation movie. So it bounces back and forth way to much

  • @jaykeii
    @jaykeii Рік тому +34

    honestly this version of the lorax could work as a musical adaptation of the film or as a concept album
    speaking of concept albums, i love how biggering sounds and feels a lot like something from a pink floyd album

  • @fish6550
    @fish6550 3 роки тому +1497

    The change from “I don’t wanna hear your crying!” To “this feels so gratifying.” Makes me upset.

    • @natania7738
      @natania7738 3 роки тому +131

      I've listened to Biggering and both lines were in there, but How Bad Can I Be took out the "I don't wanna hear your crying" line, but yes, I agree!

    • @user-or8ql3fe5v
      @user-or8ql3fe5v 3 роки тому +40

      Biggering ends with "This feels so gratifying"

    • @pizzawashere8940
      @pizzawashere8940 3 роки тому +73

      Comparing the lines about the animals either fighting or ending up as lunch really shows that at their core their the same song, but the execution absolutely changes the mood and message of the song so drastically. Also that "I don't wanna hear your crying" hits hard.

    • @natania7738
      @natania7738 3 роки тому +34

      @@pizzawashere8940 That’s what I was thinking! The first verse of How Bad Can I Be and Biggering are almost exactly the same words, but the music and the execution is so different and really gives them a whole different sound

    • @eliasalbarracin5549
      @eliasalbarracin5549 3 роки тому +31

      @@pizzawashere8940 The mentioning of "survival of the fittest" in the song in an attempt to justify their behavior also really helps bring the point home on how these corporations see the world around them.

  • @BrandonMixon122
    @BrandonMixon122 3 роки тому +6546

    I feel like Biggering and How Bad could have both existed, if shortened. Two halves of the same song. How bad marking the start of a descent into evil, when the onceler truly is naive. The song is cut up and spans maybe ten minutes on and off, but as it progresses and the onceler makes some decisions, the tone shifts ending on the relentless greed of Biggering.
    I think this would make it more impactful, on how as somebody rises to power their priority shifts. At first, he just wanted to make a product. He knew a few trees had to die, but it's only a few. As he looks to production, seeing the valley he's decimated, he shows some sorrows but decides that he's come so far, why not let some more things die. That's when he makes the choice to overlook it. A fade from unknowing to uncaring.

    • @zorathemagic7310
      @zorathemagic7310 3 роки тому +230

      Yeah i like both of the songs

    • @gamerpro021
      @gamerpro021 3 роки тому +205

      Someone should try to do an edit of that

    • @aWERFRGT6545BGFG
      @aWERFRGT6545BGFG 3 роки тому +42

      I agree!

    • @cheesecakelasagna
      @cheesecakelasagna 3 роки тому +88

      @@gamerpro021 imma comment just so I can be here when somebody finally did one

    • @CosmicG777
      @CosmicG777 3 роки тому +65

      Very good idea. I wish Illumination had thought of that.

  • @lProN00bl
    @lProN00bl 11 місяців тому +11

    What's sad is even in the original animated version they get it right and make the Onceler aware of the impact he was having and feel conflicted but actively choose to go ahead with it.

  • @navy3001
    @navy3001 6 місяців тому +7

    The best thing from the Biggering is.. "Greed is like a pet, the more you feed it, the hunger is gets. But you can't blame greed, he has a worm inside. A worm called Pride"

  • @Harrinsain
    @Harrinsain 3 роки тому +2569

    "All I ever wanted was the stuff that I don't have"
    And that was the moment I was convinced this movie could have been good

    • @austinfletchermusic
      @austinfletchermusic 3 роки тому +209

      When I heard that, I immediately started making a video where I re-write this movie because it had THAT. MUCH. POTENTIAL.

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 роки тому +56

      *Because kids never buy stuff to show off or to fit in with the crowd right...?*

    • @pointlessdonkey6494
      @pointlessdonkey6494 3 роки тому +163

      It’s ironic that literally all the demo songs are better than the actual songs

    • @bernardoserrano4439
      @bernardoserrano4439 3 роки тому +12

      @@austinfletchermusic PLEASE do that video

    • @austinfletchermusic
      @austinfletchermusic 3 роки тому +16

      @@bernardoserrano4439 I'm working on the script, but I have other things in my life, so it'll be a long time!

  • @Meaxis
    @Meaxis 3 роки тому +10189

    In French, this song IS actually showing that he is aware and human. "How bad can I be?" was translated to "It's bad, but whatever; is it my fault if I am what I am?" which both shows that he knows AND he puts the blame on anything else than him.

    • @trvrshoe4518
      @trvrshoe4518 3 роки тому +1088

      it's weird that translations give completely different implications

    • @Meaxis
      @Meaxis 3 роки тому +838

      ​@@trvrshoe4518 Indeed, but sometimes it's the job of a translator to do more than "put X line in assigned language", a translator has to put the entire song in their assigned language - that includes rhymes, following the audio, etc.

    • @GogiRegion
      @GogiRegion 3 роки тому +708

      @@Meaxis A good translator will keep or enhance the original meaning. Sounds like the French translator did a better job at keeping the original book’s message than the English writers did.

    • @limespots
      @limespots 3 роки тому +355

      Unfortunately, the European French version of the song is also the only translated variation where the Onceler (or as he's called in French, Le Gash-Pilleur), downright admits that he knows it's bad but fuck it, he's doing it anyway.
      Every other translated variation I have heard so far and how it translates is chalked up to "Am I bad?" or "I'm not THAT bad!", much like how the English version goes by this statement or question, but in France, Le Gash-Pilleur is just like "Yeah, I know it's bad, but fuck it, I don't care, let's cut down the trees, some trees dying is not so troublesome."

    • @conic2721
      @conic2721 3 роки тому +67

      Portuguese it's basically
      "Quão ma a au será que sou?" that means how bad can I be.
      Yeah they didn't changed here on Brazil

  • @Woahithinkithoughtofit
    @Woahithinkithoughtofit Рік тому +21

    I feel like if they hadn't cut the song the internet would simp for the guy WAY more then how they do now and I despise illumination for not giving us that miracle of a permanent tumblr sexy man

  • @grayanddevpdx
    @grayanddevpdx Рік тому +11

    16:11 And the other also means he’s possibly admitting he’s killed animals or even people

  • @pierce3622
    @pierce3622 3 роки тому +8036

    Not gonna lie though, “Biggering” kinda slaps.

  • @Moonstar79
    @Moonstar79 3 роки тому +9718

    The Lorax is the movie equivalent of “the sketch was better”

  • @justsomeanimator
    @justsomeanimator Рік тому +10

    Biggering wasn't too scary for kids it was too scary for the man in charge who would have been negatively affected financially.

  • @little1133
    @little1133 Рік тому +6

    Look, it’s, some circling birds!
    I bet they’re going to EAT OUR CORPSES-

  • @diyagore1784
    @diyagore1784 3 роки тому +3579

    Another thing: when they made the swap to how bad can I be, they didn't just switch lyrics, the entire genre went from rock opera to pop song. I think that specific change was because the target audience was children, and they didn't know how kids would handle a loud rock opera
    Edit: From the responses I have come to realize that this was not the case. kids do in fact, enjoy rock operas.

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 3 роки тому +175

      Kids did enjoyed some metal if they can handle that.

    • @dinofeino1811
      @dinofeino1811 3 роки тому +147

      Idk why producers forget kids are people and can have different tastes? Like a rock opera wouldve been amazing to me as a kid.

    • @billywhitten3107
      @billywhitten3107 3 роки тому +22

      I’m a kid and I love rock music can’t be scary since the children who’d get scared bye the wouldn’t license to the lyrics

    • @alexvaughan1013
      @alexvaughan1013 3 роки тому +33

      Kids of my generation seemed to like Green Day's American Idiot album, which was dubbed a "punk rock opera" by Green Day themselves.

    • @maxhasproblems4885
      @maxhasproblems4885 3 роки тому +15

      i would have JAMMED to rock opera as a 5 yo(how old i was at the time)

  • @swimmyswim417
    @swimmyswim417 3 роки тому +3889

    They didn’t want to scare the children? God, the book terrified me as a child. It wouldn’t have been a loyal adaptation UNLESS it mentally scarred its target audience.

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 3 роки тому +37

      yeah

    • @xythiera7255
      @xythiera7255 3 роки тому +17

      Becouse makeing a Political msg out of a film has work so great in all the films that did it.

    • @Retardidity
      @Retardidity 3 роки тому +140

      Yeah my biggest hatred for this movie came from the fact of the ending is so uplifting as if mistakes can be easily rectified. The book and even original cartoon ended on such a depressing note that that single seed would take forever to replenish the trees.
      To have this movie end with all of the trees just coming back like it was nothing does such a disservice to the original story.

    • @Tyler-rd8qz
      @Tyler-rd8qz 3 роки тому +3

      Yup agreed

    • @kitakita545
      @kitakita545 3 роки тому +11

      @@acrazygamer9518 illunination's strategy: churn out shit like minions with terrible humour to appeal to kids with no sense of actual humour

  • @nikkilol
    @nikkilol Рік тому +19

    so not only did they have a romantic interest, and some empathic backstory for the onceler,and the motivation for getting a tree was materialistic, oh and despite them saying they wanted kids to think that the people who caused climate change were real people like us, they made the main villian a person who was exaggerated beyond belief, from his appearance to his personality. i truly feel bad cuz its very clear that the writers intent was to go HAM on corporations but they got stopped by said corporations 😭

  • @shaloein1784
    @shaloein1784 Рік тому +64

    We can all agree that “how bad can I be” is so damn goofy ☠️

    • @perdelkin
      @perdelkin Рік тому +17

      Agree. I liked it until I listened to Biggering

    • @waddledeeznutz6477
      @waddledeeznutz6477 11 місяців тому +12

      I still like it but biggering is inherently better 😭😭

    • @luminous.iolite
      @luminous.iolite 4 місяці тому +1

      imo how bad can i be feels like something you’d listen to/use ironically, you know, for the meme, whereas biggering feels like someone you’d listen to unironically, but honestly that might just be me

  • @thekingbutten
    @thekingbutten 3 роки тому +947

    Nothing changes the fact that they purposely left out a banger. That's the worst crime.

    • @amyliaclenny1866
      @amyliaclenny1866 3 роки тому +18

      What you're missing here is that *Biggering* fit the intended message of the *story The Lorax* so well it should be considered a crime it was purposely cut.

    • @bdorsey19
      @bdorsey19 3 роки тому +1

      It’s amazing too, I searched it up and downloaded it to my phone it’s so good

    • @thehumanflintfun9666
      @thehumanflintfun9666 3 роки тому +6

      For real. I thought Illumination's worst crime was creating the Minions, _but then I found out about Biggering..._

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 роки тому +5

      @@pearldab7781 Correction: It didn't fit *Illumination's* narrative of the Lorax story but this fit the original message perfectly. And that's precisely why they hated it....

  • @glimmerpearl_
    @glimmerpearl_ 3 роки тому +7090

    They basically pulled a “Frozen” and had this amazing idea in the original planning and then scrapped it all for something mediocre for the end result

    • @pcvrisepic
      @pcvrisepic 3 роки тому +157

      Frozen is wayyyy better than this

    • @angelicalivio5587
      @angelicalivio5587 3 роки тому +477

      Frozen (II, at least) is also way worse than what it could've been

    • @absolite6
      @absolite6 3 роки тому +628

      I'd say it's almost the opposite. The writers produced Biggering and the other demo songs that hinted at a more cynical, darker tone and Illumination didn't like -because money- because kids wouldn't "get it" and the script was rewritten -because they felt called out- to make it more "relatable to audiences."
      Frozen's original concepts were more similar to the original story, with Elsa being the villain, Anna being more similar to Gerda from the original etc. But then they made Let it Go and they loved it so much they rewrote the entire first act of the movie and the character motives basically. (Side note: They already came up with the concept of Anna and Elisa being siblings before but the song cemented their decision)
      In other words it's because of Let it Go we got the Frozen we know today....

    • @crystalanimates5858
      @crystalanimates5858 3 роки тому +117

      I agree with you. The original plot and the musical did better than the actual movie, and if the creators of the original musical (or someone new) do decide to make a frozen II musical I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out better

    • @conic2721
      @conic2721 3 роки тому +40

      @@pcvrisepic Disagreed.
      I prefer this to Frozen.

  • @ZesTofthelemon
    @ZesTofthelemon Рік тому +17

    To be honest I'm basically convinced The Lorax's whole deal after being dulled down from Biggering to HBCIB was to both promote the myth of plausible deniability and then paint the companies that got all those corporate tie-ins as the good guys by giving them the ""Lorax/Truffula Tree-friendly seal of approval"" - which, might I add, is one of the things that the song calls out along with "a portion of proceeds go to charity" - which turns the original message into "here, we're the good guys even though our own movie calls us out, and we severely dulled the message too to make it less obvious we're not actually the good guys while simultaneously making it catchy and marketable which is EXACTLY what the Thneed is!"

  • @Master-tt8xs
    @Master-tt8xs Рік тому +9

    The reason you can see the once-ler's face in the film is because illumination said that "It allows viewers to know that humans are the cause too."

  • @PhillyCh3zSt3ak
    @PhillyCh3zSt3ak 3 роки тому +1823

    Biggering sounds like something Jack Black would sing.

  • @Ishidalover
    @Ishidalover 3 роки тому +581

    /gives onceler a guitar
    /doesn't give him a rock song

    • @klg9549
      @klg9549 3 роки тому +24

      He really is a hipster, I never thought about that ...

  • @FulPartOfPower
    @FulPartOfPower Рік тому +12

    Biggering actually fits with dr suess’s idea for the once-ler

  • @Mitchell_2011
    @Mitchell_2011 Рік тому +6

    "From a goofball to a god of destruction" Why am I laughing so hard over this?!

  • @poweroffriendship2.0
    @poweroffriendship2.0 3 роки тому +1728

    _"I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees. Save the Amazon, or I'll break your knees."_
    *~ The Lorax*

    • @twtlifesucks6354
      @twtlifesucks6354 3 роки тому +23

      *lmfao*

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 3 роки тому +51

      Ah yes. The Millennial translation.

    • @nexusyeen1481
      @nexusyeen1481 3 роки тому +8

      Lmfao

    • @melioi_boi8766
      @melioi_boi8766 3 роки тому +10

      Holy hell why did I wheeze at this?

    • @FriskyD.
      @FriskyD. 3 роки тому +14

      It took me a minute to realize this was about the rainforest

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
    @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 3 роки тому +698

    The concept of the Onceler always scared me as a child, because he didn't look any older than his mid 20s. It sent the message that anyone at any age could live to be the villain

    • @nicholasmahoney7820
      @nicholasmahoney7820 2 роки тому +17

      That was the intent, but they screwed it up by making him a victim of peer pressure and ridiculously rushing his decent into greed and pride.

  • @nickhaas3550
    @nickhaas3550 Рік тому +9

    I think "Biggering" would have been worthy of a best original song nomination.

  • @Darkstar431
    @Darkstar431 Рік тому +7

    Once-Ler "You wouldn't hit a woman"
    The Lorax "That's a woman"?

  • @pharoahcaraboo9610
    @pharoahcaraboo9610 3 роки тому +18499

    huh, i'd never heard biggering before. it's a hell of a bop. 'too scary for kids'? come on, kids *love* scary shit. kids love villains! kids love scar, and ursula, and randall, and love villain songs.

    • @pigeon2503
      @pigeon2503 3 роки тому +1551

      I suspect it was a weak argument to have it cut without revealing their true motivations (it scared them more than it'd scare the kids)

    • @josepharmstrong1788
      @josepharmstrong1788 3 роки тому +910

      Specifically, they’re more afraid of parents complaining how their kids were scared and sent messages that made them uncomfortable or confused or afraid they’d do what the Onceler did to the cute animals.

    • @pigeon2503
      @pigeon2503 3 роки тому +543

      @@josepharmstrong1788 We've had scarier environmental movies aimed at kids to achieve a U certification (Watership Down) tbh studios need to grow a pair

    • @simsgirlgem
      @simsgirlgem 3 роки тому +374

      @@josepharmstrong1788 I like Don bluth philosophy that kids can handle dark and scary stuff as long as you slap a happy ending on it and considering outside the Disney renaissance most movies I loved as a kid was what he did with scary stuff like the owl in the secret of nimh I have to agree

    • @salem8228
      @salem8228 3 роки тому +197

      It’s just the whiny , bitchy parents who can take less shit then their kids can

  • @buggabugga1637
    @buggabugga1637 3 роки тому +3505

    I am.. offended that I have NEVER heard of “Biggering” before. I feel betrayed🥺 haven’t heard the whole thing yet and I’m already obsessed

    • @brittanypumpkin
      @brittanypumpkin 3 роки тому +72

      I only found out about this song because of a comment under Film theory about the movie. I love this movie and I’m really disappointed that this masterpiece was scrapped😭

    • @irv4843
      @irv4843 3 роки тому +7

      @@brittanypumpkin same ;-;

    • @justsoup3726
      @justsoup3726 3 роки тому +10

      SAME!!! I first heard this song yesterday via this video and it's been the only song I've been listening to since!!! And I'm not even a rock fan!

    • @llsaraswathill3741
      @llsaraswathill3741 3 роки тому +1

      Same 🥺

    • @mastersio3647
      @mastersio3647 3 роки тому +13

      Hope "Biggering" get popular soon, I mean, it seems that it is going to become popular.

  • @katelyndombach4726
    @katelyndombach4726 Рік тому +11

    Biggering is a great song BUT How Bad Can I Be is something that feels more like what individual people are like. Most people are blind to the pollution and environmental destruction they are causing. Yes by the time you get to that level it should be too much to ignore but its a movie so everything is escalated.
    Biggering is a villain song and I'm not a villain so I don't need to look closer to make sure I don't accidently do bad things because only villains would do that. But How Bad Can I Be and not noticing whats happening around you because everybody is doing it/encouraging it... that's real. The movie ABSOLUTLY should have shown more of the downsides to not having trees and nature besides just not having pretty things but I think the song was a good choice.

  • @someone_stole_my_handle
    @someone_stole_my_handle Рік тому +21

    You know what if the problem was that they really wanted to keep "how bad can I be" they could have just used both.
    Since we already had the Once-ler telling a story framing device, they could have made it so that the Once-ler first tells a white washed and sympathetic version of the story and sings "how bad can I be" (in this case the visuals are different and the final part of the song is altered so that we still don't know the entire scope of his actions) and then Ted thinks about it and realizes that based on what he told him there is no way that the environment got this fucked up, so he calls the Once-ler's bluff and only then we get biggering.
    I like this idea better because not only we get both songs, despite pailling in comparison to biggering, how bad can I be is still catchy and I genuinely like it, but in this context the Once-ler is even worse than if we just got to see biggering, because he is still to this day white washing and lying about what he did.
    Since in the actual movie the song is in story being told by the Once-ler, my headcannon is that how bad can I be is the story the Once-ler tells, while biggering is what actually happened.

    • @maddiemorales1419
      @maddiemorales1419 6 місяців тому +1

      Ummm, I quite like that idea. Not only that, in a way, it would actually make him worse then 1972. Plus, I kinda hc that the part of his mom telling him to do it was a lie 😬 or if it was the truth, it wasn't rlly in the way he told it. Instead of her keeping on egging him and adding that "do what's best for your mama" emotional blackmail crap, instead, it was actually more like how the ms funclere got him to keep going after he said he'd stop. Like, no actually manipulation, she didn't keep trying to egg him on after he says no, she suggests it once and he immediately does it for money

    • @natperXD
      @natperXD 4 місяці тому +2

      It also helps that they share some lyrics so it could be that during How Bad can I be, it could transition into Biggering somehow. Like the song gets cut in the middle due to Ted calling bs on the Onceler's story which then changes to Biggering

  • @chada4806
    @chada4806 3 роки тому +1387

    Imagine if during/right after "biggering" you saw a young O'Hare steal a bag of seeds. And we're left with the realization that instead of planting trees and helping people, he profited off of other's tradgdy. And THAT'S where he gets his air from.

  • @CouncilofGeeks
    @CouncilofGeeks 3 роки тому +1810

    I will dispute only one thing. The Lorax is not Dr. Seuss’ darkest book. That distinction belongs to the criminally under-read “The Butter Battle Book.”

    • @rambletash
      @rambletash 3 роки тому +262

      What about Thidwick the Big-Hearted Moose? Most of the characters literally get shot, stuffed, and mounted by hunters at the end! There's an actual illustration of their dead bodies!

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 3 роки тому +121

      I read it when I was about 12 (via an iPad). The ending is dark but at the same time, ambiguous, even the cartoon adaptation doesn't help either since it ended the same as the book. If there is an animated movie adaptation based on the book, then it probably ends on a positive note to see which sides are gonna win.
      So anyways, I'm gonna get the bread and butter and put it into two together.

    • @Tjnovakart
      @Tjnovakart 3 роки тому +32

      Bro we literally analyzed that book in my world history class

    • @spectre9340
      @spectre9340 3 роки тому +46

      That book's ending was incredible. My small child brain couldn't stop thinking about it for days.

    • @DamnQuilty
      @DamnQuilty 3 роки тому +58

      Yes, that one is really dark. Both are quite dark. One can say that The Lorax is less so because it shows a glimmer of hope. While TBBB ends in an stand still waiting for disaster. I mean there you have the hope for the sides to stop but all the story shows that maybe that it is not possible. Meanwhile in the Lorax the damage is already done and the hope comes from what the future generations could do. So yeah. In that sense it is darker as you pointed out.

  • @flowercat420
    @flowercat420 Рік тому +10

    The only thing I could think about this is the fact that for me the movie was showing the buyers/consumers as the buy guy. The once-ler did what he did to get money, to grow his business but the people kept buying which only showed that he wasn't bad. The song more refers to the Lorax saying "these people buy from me so like am I really a dick?" I do believe the original to be about big corporation's but this movie seems to hit the consumer side, which in all honesty is true. When they show the city of people and how easily they want trees it's saying how greedy the consumers are. When they learn they can get this air they buy EVERY DAY for free. They can spend it more on random stuff like the sneed. I believe that Biggerer would have taken away from the idea of consumers being the bad guy in this sense (not only have been scary). And if anything they did push it that it was calling out consumers, I feel like a lot of people would not like being called out as a horrible person who causes this sort of stuff. Especially the quote from 11:51. He says "it ceases to be a story that is about all of us" This gives a view that this story is not only about the greedy corporates but about the needy consumers that they feed. If the once-ler is seen as someone unknown, they refuse to see the idea they are causing it.
    Anyways, I think the song was added not to make the once-ler seem "innocent" but to show how the consumer side gave way for the greed that happened. And how the once-ler looked at the camera (consumers) and never looked at anything else because he was doing what the people wanted and didn't think of how this would effect the economy as it didn't seem they even cared. (shown by how many people forgot about the trees, sneed, and once-ler so easily; they were no longer relevant when they were gone).

  • @Polyethylenester
    @Polyethylenester Рік тому +15

    7:39 my favorite part ☠️

  • @technicolormischief-maker5683
    @technicolormischief-maker5683 Рік тому +4960

    I think it’d have been interesting if Ted got the tree and gave it to his crush, and as she marvels over it, he starts telling her things about truffula trees that he learned from the Onceler. As the conversation goes on, it becomes more and more apparent that her reasons for wanting a tree were shallow and materialistic, leading him to become increasingly frustrated towards her… which then leads to a moment of self-awareness as he realizes that his own reasons for wanting a tree have changed.
    Bonus points if he eventually realizes that his initial goal was equally or even more shallow: that rather than wanting a tree, he wanted a person, and how fucked it is to view other people through a materialistic lens. Which ties him thematically to O’Hare…

    • @mjjjermaine
      @mjjjermaine Рік тому +72

      +

    • @umalunatica
      @umalunatica Рік тому +320

      Yes, Yes. I thinks that's the subplot Ted almost (and should) have had

    • @mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747
      @mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 Рік тому +326

      That would’ve probably saved both the characters if that was the arc instead of the stupid romance plot we had

    • @potato_723
      @potato_723 Рік тому +78

      Better writer than all of illumination

    • @gingertea3778
      @gingertea3778 Рік тому +74

      They honestly did Ted dirty in the movie. He was kinda just there.

  • @catherinecao4810
    @catherinecao4810 3 роки тому +1136

    One thing I really liked about the original short: Littering. The pollution wasn’t just from the factory, but also from the people living nearby. They just threw stuff out the windows, expecting their garbage to go away. It didn’t go away, it landed literally on the Lorax and his friends.

    • @andynonymous6769
      @andynonymous6769 3 роки тому +25

      What's worse though is that even when we put the trash in dumps it doesn't just magically go away. There's nothing we can do about it.

    • @christopherauzenne5023
      @christopherauzenne5023 3 роки тому +21

      the thing I really liked from the short was the line "you want me to shut down my factory, fire hundreds of workers, put them out of the job?" "I see what you mean and I can't provide an answer" it really has a lot of wait and shows how hard the answer can be/doesn't go to another extreme

    • @catherinecao4810
      @catherinecao4810 3 роки тому +5

      Seuss knew he didn’t have the answer. But that didn’t mean we should ignore all the problems, and how three-dimensional they are.

  • @floralbrake
    @floralbrake 8 місяців тому +5

    The onceler in biggering is the villain we needed

  • @suicune690
    @suicune690 3 роки тому +3622

    Fun Fact: According to the director's commentary, five years go by during How Bad Can I Be, which is a reasonable time period for the destruction/Once-ler's attitude change to happen, but the movie itself gives no indication about the amount of time that's passed, everyone looks the same.

    • @TuesdaysArt
      @TuesdaysArt 2 роки тому +277

      It felt like 5 minutes! It's supposed to be 5 years?

    • @jesusmejia79
      @jesusmejia79 2 роки тому +88

      So in half a decade his business was shut down and all the trullffe trees were cut down and thneeds weren't popular anymore the valley was unliveable and the animals still live there and the Lorax still protested until the last tree was cut down

    • @jesusmejia79
      @jesusmejia79 Рік тому +4

      @@Wishtelle I know what they saying what I put is in that anount of time what I type down happen

    • @jesusmejia79
      @jesusmejia79 Рік тому +3

      @@Wishtelle what what

    • @jesusmejia79
      @jesusmejia79 Рік тому +3

      @@Wishtelle I not the one who confused you don't even who you are rafkil the lion king but all joking aside you clearly didn't read my comments clearly and thoughtly because I type down in 5 years span everything I said happen All the trees in the valley were cut down the valley was a wasteland the animals still live there until the last tree is chop down thneeds weren't popular anymore the lorax still protested until there weren't any trees left and the company ended that what I said which if 5 years had really past then I put should be in consideration for the details someone might ask which I sorta answer

  • @lavenderhuman
    @lavenderhuman 3 роки тому +2625

    “A corporate figure can be relatable, likable even; and still make the conscious choice to exploit and even kill to further their business”
    Elon Musk, is that you?

    • @dandelion2942
      @dandelion2942 3 роки тому +52

      👀👀

    • @austinfletchermusic
      @austinfletchermusic 3 роки тому +78

      Yes. Yes, it is.

    • @plurbehgubgub
      @plurbehgubgub 3 роки тому +250

      I was just thinking that the original onceler seems to be a spitting image of Elon, or at least his Twitter persona. Elon tries to be a likeable person, but every once in awhile intentionally or not, his mask slips and there is no plausible deniability left for him.
      “Who cares, we will coup who we want!”

    • @Robin-gq3cj
      @Robin-gq3cj 3 роки тому +12

      this is exactly what i was thinking

    • @akorn9943
      @akorn9943 3 роки тому +19

      I was seriously expecting them to show him at some point as she was saying that

  • @evanschmidt5562
    @evanschmidt5562 Рік тому +5

    “gives no reason why pollution is bad”
    from a kids perspective seeing cute animals and the fish getting “sludged” and bear getting the apple taking away from and being sad.
    I think it shows how pollution made the animals sad and makes the kid think pollution is bad

  • @cranberrythecat4555
    @cranberrythecat4555 3 роки тому +2362

    I came as soon as I heard - oh, the horrible horrible memories
    "and gave him a hipster outfit to appeal to the pre-teens" *Vietnam war flashbacks*

    • @cushfuddled9154
      @cushfuddled9154 3 роки тому +20

      I am so sorry, Cranberry 😔 (Thank you for rewatching and reliving 2012 with me lmao)

    • @zenmaster8
      @zenmaster8 3 роки тому +17

      all the way from subscriptions? damn

    • @jenderjreggender7543
      @jenderjreggender7543 3 роки тому +9

      onecest intensifies

    • @twinkiesmaster69
      @twinkiesmaster69 3 роки тому

      The baby is u

    • @emtytyr6726
      @emtytyr6726 3 роки тому +11

      The Hamilton fandom, though I adore the show, is terrifying.

  • @cloegemmel7177
    @cloegemmel7177 3 роки тому +2982

    Petition to put 'Biggening' into the inevitable Lorax musical

    • @depressedtheatrekid1709
      @depressedtheatrekid1709 3 роки тому +117

      I'D SIGN----- I was even thinking about it when she was going through the different parts of the original soundtrack.

    • @FiSH-iSH
      @FiSH-iSH 3 роки тому +9

      yes

    • @IcyDiamond
      @IcyDiamond 3 роки тому +4

      What inevitable Lorax musical?

    • @GalaxiaStars
      @GalaxiaStars 3 роки тому +61

      +Clue Gemmel
      Petition to force Illuminatoins to actually fully turn the original script for the movie with the Biggering into a completed movie. I'd pay to see that.

    • @jdcantcounttothree6778
      @jdcantcounttothree6778 3 роки тому +31

      @@IcyDiamond there's stage musical adaptations of pretty much everything, 80s murder movies, Jane Austen, Disney movies, horror movies, books I probably wouldn't have heard of if it wasn't for the musical, history, and the list goes on, so a musical for the lorax wouldn't be far-fetched

  • @Telephone__
    @Telephone__ Рік тому +2

    In the swedish version instead of " who cares if a few trees are dying!" I'm translating it but it says " Who cares if trees exist?!" ,, I started screaming when i heard it. 😭😭

    • @maddiemorales1419
      @maddiemorales1419 6 місяців тому

      In the Ukrainian dub instead of who cares if a few trees die it says something along the lines of "who cares if the environment gets ruined?" Which made me think it was a bit darker

  • @baconbits334
    @baconbits334 Рік тому +3

    This is a great video! I have watched this like 5 times already 😊

  • @devastation4529
    @devastation4529 Рік тому +4060

    Not only is “biggering” a better song than “How bad can i be?” for the story, but i genuinely listen to biggering more often than the latter. Its slimily dark, hideously sick and yet such a banger. The line “Who cares if some things are dying” gave me chills when i first heard it.

    • @L0rdOfThePies
      @L0rdOfThePies Рік тому +52

      Fr the build up biggering has is insane, its so layered and insane

    • @L0rdOfThePies
      @L0rdOfThePies Рік тому +13

      @@caitlyncarvalho7637probably? And its dark if you read between the lines sure. But its also easy to ignore that because of how it is just a short gag. why are you commenting about it on every thread lol we get it

    • @Lov3lyMoon
      @Lov3lyMoon Рік тому +32

      From what I can remember off the top of my head the Original Lorax Book was darker and had no O’hare. It was just the corporation, the consumers and the damage. Which is realistic,straight to the point and it was easy for kids to connect the dots.

    • @skippy3607
      @skippy3607 11 місяців тому

      Bro didn't watch the movie if you think that

    • @angrytheclown801
      @angrytheclown801 9 місяців тому +7

      ​@@Lov3lyMoonYeah, O'Hare is movie only. Also, there is no neat little solution with a happy ending. The book and special show the dark full on, says there are no easy solutions, and ends with practically a whisper saying that it only fixes itself when someone figures it out and fixes it.

  • @akhematon
    @akhematon 3 роки тому +13835

    I'm shocked at the lack of "onceler fandom" references. good job

    • @The_Sin_Squad
      @The_Sin_Squad  3 роки тому +2440

      Honestly, I feel bad about how much flack that fandom gets. At least from the outside, it seemed like a pretty un-hateful space, with a lot of people just hanging out and having fun! It also provided us with some great meme material lol

    • @akhematon
      @akhematon 3 роки тому +472

      That's fair and honestly kinder than a lot of people are GFSHG My feelings tend to be mixed but I certainly appreciate the meme material .

    • @ashtontheartist6751
      @ashtontheartist6751 3 роки тому +30

      Wait what.

    • @AnEmu404
      @AnEmu404 3 роки тому +45

      (Pssst hey, hey, nice pfp, always cool to see ace flags)

    • @Star_Rattler
      @Star_Rattler 3 роки тому +37

      @@The_Sin_Squad were you there for the glovecest or no because i feel like that information heavily lends to people's opinions on the onceler fandom...

  • @_spt-warwolf_4575
    @_spt-warwolf_4575 Рік тому +1

    Illumination: We didn't want to traumatize kids
    Laika: *laughs*

  • @Snowfox8962
    @Snowfox8962 Рік тому +3

    The trees can't be harmed if the lorax is armed

  • @-_melloh.ello_-3650
    @-_melloh.ello_-3650 3 роки тому +1046

    "Despite the protest of a small orange forest spirit, named Danny Devito"
    Me: *W* *H* *E* *E* *Z* *E*

  • @D3__
    @D3__ 3 роки тому +1190

    If the Once-ler has a seed of the trees with him after all those years... why didn't HE just plant them? He's not a bad businessman, he's just very stupid. The customers kept saying "Yes. We want that"

    • @thesillynugget619
      @thesillynugget619 3 роки тому +29

      Yes. I even watched one of the film theorists’ vids ABOUT THE LORAX.
      Edit: I recommend watching it.

    • @seraphywang4638
      @seraphywang4638 3 роки тому +39

      @@thesillynugget619
      I watched it and it made the movie made 99% more sense.

    • @thegreatpapyrus3644
      @thegreatpapyrus3644 3 роки тому +2

      @@fidluk2574 Good point

    • @cullenlatham2366
      @cullenlatham2366 3 роки тому +16

      well, he does live in a wasteland all alone. he probably did plant his own tree, but knew one old man, especially the one who brought the fate onto the world, would not be enough to change things. (not to mention the time it would take to grow).
      The other option is that the pollution he caused has made the soil infertile, so he had to rely on a young pair of legs to let the seed grow up in fertile land...

    • @dogethedog6347
      @dogethedog6347 3 роки тому +7

      too late of saying this but the other problem is that a trufula seed takes up to i think 30 years in order for it be a fully grown tree so that would make things really slow and he might've been impatient about that