The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly. The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here. For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh.. Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
I am not gonna read comments just gonna state my opinion. I like Orange overall it has warm natural tones. I am not a fan of Boss Katana, not to say it's bad I just didn't enjoy mine... I sold it last year, I had the Mk2. If we are talking combo amps, I like peavey vypyr for metal, and orange for clean, rock/blues. I feel like Boss Katana is the jack of all but master of none.
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
The Katana sounds like you are already mic and playing through the PA. Since I will be using this type of Amps in a live situation at Small bars, I will pick the Katana instead of the Orange. And I plan to get next Month. Thanks for this Demo.
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet. I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different. I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned. What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching. But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state. I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great. If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy." I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want. Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test! If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed. Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion. Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp? BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though. I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
I find something to like out of almost any amp. SS and digital are great IMO since i live in a region which trades climates with planet Venus 8 months out of the year (Texas), and beating the heat is an endeavor which really does border on the desperate, lol. Tube amps double as space heaters during the 11-minute winters. Happily, SS "arrived" approx 20ish years ago with the advent of the Peavey Transvestube series. Others quickly aped the formula; I have a B-52 100-watt brain among other things, and in the context of my lousy mixes, it's never just super obvious it's a SS amp. And VSTs such as Amp Room, Overloud etc are just perfect for when it's 2am, and I could possibly earn more blood enemies, namely my neighbors, if i were to fire up my 150-watt Bugera Dollar General Plexi remake thru my Marshall AVT series (a "cheap" line, but it sounds great, very luckily) 4x12, lol.
Headphone out being mostly identical, I wonder how much the difference in sound is just the speaker used. Having the waza craft speaker in my Katana, it's sounds much different.
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
To compare them as combos or just the amps run through a separate speaker cab are 2 very different ways to judge them. Ask anyone who's used various speaker cabs with their Katana, and they'll all say the same thing. With the endless tone shaping features of the Katana you can make almost any speaker cab sound decent. With a one trick pony Orange your gonna be pretty limited.
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
The katana eq controls are 'flat' when dimed. I'm not sure exactly what the point of having all the controls at the same position is when they may have vastly different designs. Maybe for each style, dial up what you are looking for on each amp. Oh, and don't forget that's one of 5? or 6? eqs you can apply all at the same time if you want to on the Katana. Also, the dsp is for effects, The preamps themselves are analog solid-state preamps.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now. I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
It's the Katana for me. The Orange Crush sounds better, hands down, but the Katana is infintely more prolific, versatile, there's just so much more you can do with it. The Katana is also a steal on price for all that you get. The Crush is completely fair on price, a bargain even, but the Katana is a straight up steal.
Which one is better to connect a Line 6 Helix. I love the Orange sound but want to add Line 6 Helix at some point over the next year, I believe the Katana can act like a powered speaker just for that purpose.
Boss seems V-shaped for all tones. Dont like the disto on Boss. The only better way for Boss is through headphones for clean sound. Eq on the Boss are more active but Orange's sound (given you like this Orange sound) is clearly the winner. Boss is too much "usine à gaz" for me:)
o god. i really like the orange crush but i really like the digital options with boss/ (or even vox) but i don't like how kinda complicated boss seems.. i am struggling between crush20, voxvt20 and katana 100.. but i am just a beginner.
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
Is there a way to try and compensate for the lack of touch responsive distortion on these type of solid state amps? I'm thinking of downsizing from my fender mustang 150 watt modelling amp but want to try and be aware of the drawbacks...
Orange sounds better here, but other comments say Katana can sound better using software. How do they compare for bedroom/low volume? Katana has the 0.25 setting, though as it's digital is that necessary?
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
In my experience the Orange clean sound is weak and boxy. The Katana seems to project the sound better. I don’t use dirty tones often so it’s not really a concern for me.
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana it would sound closer to the orange , But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp . A tube amp will always sound fuller . That's just the nature of tubes . Me personally The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles . I Will always choose the Boss Katana. Close is good enough . Unless you're doing a side by side comparison no one's going to notice .
There's any sound difference between the Crush 20rt and 35rt? I have the 20rt and I don't know how to make it sounds cool, is my first time with a 3 band EQ and I mess up everytime I play with it and don't get that tone that I want
I think the 20RT is very similar, I wouldn't upgrade form a 20 to a 35. Try copying my settings off my 20RT video. Obviously depends on your guitar. If you have humbuckers then reduce the bass and raise the treble for cleans. If you have single coils boost the bass + mids when you use the dirty channel 👍
The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly.
The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here.
For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh..
Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
i agree
Orange
Orange 35rt use it with full band loud enough no mics of by the way
@@luissantiago7772She's definitely loud that's for sure!🤘
what a complete demo! really enjoyed watching this and listening to your playing!
I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
I didn't expect such a drastic difference. The orange just sounds so much more "there".
Clean, the orange sounds fuller than the katana.
Overdriven, the Katana sounds kinda digitaly. Not as natural sounding od sound as the orange.
I bought the Orange as a practice amp and its become the one I gig out with. Loud af, sounds great mic'd up and takes my pedals really well.
Agree i have it
Is this loud enough in a small bar gig? Without mic?
@@writeagainsterasure7248I've gigged in a small bar with the Orange. It holds up just fine. Mic it, and it's even better.
Thanks for this simple no waffling video
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Is it loud enough for gigging?
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
@@rajikula8085Small gigs yess 35rt or bigger. I use this 35rt with full band playing metal NO MICS OF COURSE sounds loud enough
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
And this is why orange has been my amp of choice for years
Lol I just saw you commenting on another video about this amp
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
@雪隠 you can tweak the katana in the librarian(try global eq) but the orange has better cleans for my taste.
The 1st 30 seconds in and I was blown away by the nuances in comparison to each other. Thanks for this.
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
Thanks to this video. I ended up getting the Boss Kitana ll 50
Crazy timely. I've been considering both of these. Orange it is. Thank you👍
You play so good bro, keep it up. I also very like those videos you make, it helps lots of people!
that clean phrase was some gorgeous playing!
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
I’m glad I watched this, the orange sounds better for lack of better words.
I am not gonna read comments just gonna state my opinion. I like Orange overall it has warm natural tones. I am not a fan of Boss Katana, not to say it's bad I just didn't enjoy mine... I sold it last year, I had the Mk2. If we are talking combo amps, I like peavey vypyr for metal, and orange for clean, rock/blues. I feel like Boss Katana is the jack of all but master of none.
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
The comparison I've been waiting for. The orange sounds more alive in everything except for the headphone out.
Best solid state room amp is Orange Crush, period.
The Katana sounds like you are already mic and playing through the PA. Since I will be using this type of Amps in a live situation at Small bars, I will pick the Katana instead of the Orange. And I plan to get next Month. Thanks for this Demo.
Wow, that Orange sounded amazing on clean. I usually only play on distortion but I might start noodling on clean
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
Yep, the speaker no doubt makes a huge difference.
Спасибо большое! У Вас самый лучший канал сравнений на Ютубе.
Clean for Katana, overdrive for Orange. Both nice amps. Thanks for the demo. Good info.
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet.
I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different.
I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned.
What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching.
But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state.
I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great.
If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy."
I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
I am very glad that at one time I did not buy either one or the other, but bought a tube ))
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
Both sound great 👍. The orange 🍊 has a much more present mid voice. Great video man. Cheers 🍻
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want.
Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test!
If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed.
Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
Sir should I get a charvel dk24 hh or prs se paul's guitar?
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion.
Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
That's what I call comparison 👍
Both sounds great!
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
The katana has that awesome crunch going
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
they both sound great but ive never been the biggest fan of the orange sound. but i bet its better than the current cheap amp i have
Guitar amps that I use: Wangs Mini 5, Orange Crush 30r and Ampeg AX-70
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
I am looking to own a Boss Katana, but still the orange here sounds way better in my opinion.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Katana digital? Ohhh
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp?
BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though.
I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
I find something to like out of almost any amp. SS and digital are great IMO since i live in a region which trades climates with planet Venus 8 months out of the year (Texas), and beating the heat is an endeavor which really does border on the desperate, lol. Tube amps double as space heaters during the 11-minute winters. Happily, SS "arrived" approx 20ish years ago with the advent of the Peavey Transvestube series. Others quickly aped the formula; I have a B-52 100-watt brain among other things, and in the context of my lousy mixes, it's never just super obvious it's a SS amp. And VSTs such as Amp Room, Overloud etc are just perfect for when it's 2am, and I could possibly earn more blood enemies, namely my neighbors, if i were to fire up my 150-watt Bugera Dollar General Plexi remake thru my Marshall AVT series (a "cheap" line, but it sounds great, very luckily) 4x12, lol.
The Orange sounds very good.
A proud KAT user here!
Headphone out being mostly identical, I wonder how much the difference in sound is just the speaker used. Having the waza craft speaker in my Katana, it's sounds much different.
I have a boss katana and I love it. Orange sounds good too. My question is what about acoustic through the orange?
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
To compare them as combos or just the amps run through a separate speaker cab are 2 very different ways to judge them. Ask anyone who's used various speaker cabs with their Katana, and they'll all say the same thing. With the endless tone shaping features of the Katana you can make almost any speaker cab sound decent. With a one trick pony Orange your gonna be pretty limited.
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
Toby, please hear me! I need you to showcase the difference between the Rocker 15 combo and the Crush 35.
I found the boss amp had a sharper clarity, whereas the Orange had a warmer tone, with more pronounced bass.
My favorite word salad
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
Boss is good sounding too but I like the Orange the most bc it has that mid range.
Primeira vez que acho o som de um Orange melhor, então esse é o poder do som digital
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
Me paso igualmente y dije que era una porqueria de Amp pero haora que lo pude entender mejor es unos de mis favorito
The katana eq controls are 'flat' when dimed. I'm not sure exactly what the point of having all the controls at the same position is when they may have vastly different designs. Maybe for each style, dial up what you are looking for on each amp. Oh, and don't forget that's one of 5? or 6? eqs you can apply all at the same time if you want to on the Katana. Also, the dsp is for effects, The preamps themselves are analog solid-state preamps.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now.
I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
It's the Katana for me. The Orange Crush sounds better, hands down, but the Katana is infintely more prolific, versatile, there's just so much more you can do with it. The Katana is also a steal on price for all that you get. The Crush is completely fair on price, a bargain even, but the Katana is a straight up steal.
Ive had both amps, and just spend the money on the katana. U can fine tune its sound a lot more and its probably one of the best pedal platforms.
I own both and prefer the 35rt by a mile.The kat is great but the 35 rt is a long way ahead for pure tone.
Would love to hear them through the same cab
Orange definitely was more punchy, I have a 35rt and it sounds really good
3:03 holy that part got me, where do I get tabs, for easir learn?
Which one is better to connect a Line 6 Helix. I love the Orange sound but want to add Line 6 Helix at some point over the next year, I believe the Katana can act like a powered speaker just for that purpose.
Boss seems V-shaped for all tones. Dont like the disto on Boss. The only better way for Boss is through headphones for clean sound. Eq on the Boss are more active but Orange's sound (given you like this Orange sound) is clearly the winner. Boss is too much "usine à gaz" for me:)
The crush sounds so good
o god. i really like the orange crush but i really like the digital options with boss/ (or even vox) but i don't like how kinda complicated boss seems.. i am struggling between crush20, voxvt20 and katana 100.. but i am just a beginner.
I have never really gone for those metal tones so I can't say, but the Kat Mk2 100 is killer for blues tones.
The Boss sounded pretty good, but lacked some of the sweetness of the Orange. Generally it was more scooped sounding.
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
Is there a way to try and compensate for the lack of touch responsive distortion on these type of solid state amps? I'm thinking of downsizing from my fender mustang 150 watt modelling amp but want to try and be aware of the drawbacks...
Thanks for this Demo, this is exactly what I needed, since I have to choose which one of those I'll buy. It's going to be the orange 🫡
Orange sounds better here, but other comments say Katana can sound better using software. How do they compare for bedroom/low volume? Katana has the 0.25 setting, though as it's digital is that necessary?
0:43 wow great playing! Is this a known song?
I feel the Orange is bright & best for cutting Leads.
The thing is, if you dialled in the Katana you could 100% get the tone of the Orange.
Allegedly.
The speaker in the amp is the most important part by far. You don’t have any ability to “dial” that “in”.
@@goodmanwiseman303the katana sounds better headphone out
@@goodmanwiseman303 So buy the Katana Head and choose the right speaker?
Of course you can what are you talking about. The speaker is just a transducer it does with the electronics tell it. @@goodmanwiseman303
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
Orange wins all day everyday.
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
The first part of your comment doesn't make sense to me.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
The boss is just more v-shaped. If you eq it it'll sound just like the orange.
In my experience the Orange clean sound is weak and boxy. The Katana seems to project the sound better. I don’t use dirty tones often so it’s not really a concern for me.
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana
it would sound closer to the orange ,
But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp .
A tube amp will always sound fuller .
That's just the nature of tubes .
Me personally
The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles .
I Will always choose the Boss Katana.
Close is good enough .
Unless you're doing a side by side comparison
no one's going to notice .
There's any sound difference between the Crush 20rt and 35rt? I have the 20rt and I don't know how to make it sounds cool, is my first time with a 3 band EQ and I mess up everytime I play with it and don't get that tone that I want
I think the 20RT is very similar, I wouldn't upgrade form a 20 to a 35. Try copying my settings off my 20RT video. Obviously depends on your guitar. If you have humbuckers then reduce the bass and raise the treble for cleans. If you have single coils boost the bass + mids when you use the dirty channel 👍