As a lifelong Great Lakes area resident, I've met exactly ZERO people who have moved here due to fears of climate change. And know personally a lot of people who have moved to Florida for retirement. People don't like it here because it's grey, cold, and dismal 6 months of the year, and still has an awful hot and humid summer.
no that is not the Case, i lived in that Cold and dismal state of michigan for 36 years. cant speak for ohio in or wi but Mi has poor roads very high property taxes very mean and nasty Gov , it was very high taxes home prices jobs that did not pay that well very high rents in the Ann Arbor area. Il is a very high tax and cost state and very high crime, why Wi oh and In are loseing people i dont under Stand
@@dknowles60 Ohio and Wisconsin are not experiencing a net loss of population, both have a slower population growth than other states. Ohio's current population is the highest in its history. Lately, of the states created from the Old Northwest Territory, only Illinois has experienced a net loss of population.
We moved to Wisconsin right along Lake Michigan in the north east corner, on the Door County Peninsula In 2018 from Seattle Washington. The cost of living is so much cheaper in Wisconsin, plus in our rural area, we have virtually no crime, no traffic, no pollution, minimal stress, and plenty of lake water as we love to sail and kayak! Real estate prices in Washington state went crazy, and we cashed out and use the equity from that house sale to purchase a house on 3 acres in Wisconsin with cash, and enjoying early retirement, with a mortgage and debt-free lifestyle.
I lived in michigan for 63 years. Hot summers and cold winters. No earthquakes. Very few tornadoes. Love it. The more people leave. The more space there is for me.
I grew up in Michigan and I don’t think it can be understated how cold, snowy, and generally gray and miserable winter is. I think a big part of the reason for the migration south is that, as the US shifts from an agricultural/manufacturing economy to a service/knowledge economy, jobs aren’t as dependent on natural resources so people don’t have to put up with awful weather to find good work anymore. (Of course, there is plenty of variability even in the Midwest. Winter in Cincinnati is going to feel a lot different from winter in Duluth)
YES 30 PERCENT MOVED TO FLORIDA WHEN COVID HIT, AND THEY NOW WORK FROM HOME, THEY WANTED SUN AND SURF BUT NOW HOUSING INSURANCE IS DRIVING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF FLORIDA, FLORIDA HAS THE FIRST " SOCIALIZED" HOME INSURANCE OWNED BY THE GOV OF FLORIDA, OTHERWISE A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD LEAVE BECAUSE ALL THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE LEFT FLORIDA, TO MANY FLOODS AND STORMS
You forgot to mention Central and Upstate NY, we’re much more similar to the great lakes in every way as opposed to the east coast. Also Buffalo was a driving force that helped fuel immigration west along the great lakes.
I was going to post something like this. I can see Lake Ontario right outside my window as I type. To not include the area in "the great lake states" makes no sense.
Like most states in this area, the laws are ridiculous, the taxes are enormous, the pace is too fast and the people are bombarded with so much stress and snow it's not worth the hassle.
As a Michigander for most of my 50+ years. One huge factor is the aging baby boomers have their ailments exacerbated by the cold winters and ridiculously humid summers. My mom has lupus and was advised to leave the state over 10 years ago. My oldest niece who is in her mid upper 40s just moved to NM because of swelling of her extremities in the summer.
@@jamessveinsson6006 It's funny thing that Republicans say that but the truth is we lost population in only one census under Governor Snyder and Granholm because while manufacturing jobs were dying and while we were the epicenter of 2 financial collapses in finance and the auto industry he was too mocking the children he poisoned to care "remember that they are just a bunch of poor and black and Hispanic kids that if we don't talk about publicly no one is really going to care about". We had 3 previous disasters as Governors John Engler (tax the poor to give to the rich), Jennifer Granholm (I build roads to cities that exist because I own a construction company) and Rick Snyder (I poison the children but only the ones no one cares about). Three vile people 2 Republicans and 1 Democrats who spent their entire time destroying the state and lining their pockets. To me the jury isn't in on Whitmer yet. She does seem to be the most fiscally responsible governor that we have had in a while.
As part of my retirement plans and also owing to the very shaky housing market now, I just sold a property in Philly and I'm thinking to put the cash in stocks, I know everyone is saying its ripe enough, but Is this a good time to buy stocks? How long until a full recovery? How are other people in the same market raking in over $200k gains in months, I'm really just confused at this point.
Yes, a good number of folks are raking in huge 6 figure gains in this downtrend, but such strategies are mostly successfully executed by folks with in depth market knowledge, And it also all depends on how long you're willing to hold for, stocks might likely tank further, but making serious gains in this downtrend wouldn't be a problem if you're a pro.
Reason I decided to work closely with a broker ever since the market got really tensed and the pressure became so much(I should be retiring in 17months) so I've had an brokerage-adviser guide me through the chaos, its been 9months and counting and I've made approx. 650K net from all of my holdings.
@@theresahv That's impressive, my portfolio have been tanking all year, tried learning new strategies to gain in the current market but all of that flew right over head, please would you mind suggesting the adviser you're using ?
I thoroughly recommend Julie Anne Hoover, an investment advisor who is subject to US SEC regulation. She has assisted me with my portfolio for many years. Look her up online; she's a well-known figure.
@@theresahv Thanks for sharing, I just looked her up on the web and I would say she really has an impressive background in investing. I will write her an e-mail shortly.
I had a Georgia native neighbor move into the middle west side of Michigan, but after a couple of years couldn't handle how cold it was and how short the summers were especially compared to where he was used to . He ended up moving into the mountain area of NC/GA and seems happy with that climate range. Upper great lakes have very very cloudy winters so you don't get much solar gain through windows like you do in cold but sunny areas and 60-70 days of straight day after day after day of cloudy weather from November into March gets old.
I'm from Chicago area and yes upstate Michigan is very cold But on other side I couldn't believe how hot and humid is in Georgia and south in general, I could never live over there... I believe you guys somehow get used to it
@@baronvonjo1929 It's personal preference. In Chicago area winter is not that bad. I figured that by visiting upstate Michigan n winter time. Also I will take depressive 3 months of Chicago winter over depressive 6 hot southern summer any time
@Goxy Eagle Summer isn't depressing like winter though, the days are long and everything's alive. Nobody gets seasonal affective disorder (SAD) from summer time but tons of people get severe depression and vitamin D deficiency from northern winters.
I grew up in Florida and I think Chicago’s lakefront view looks like oceanfront. Add in the fact that the lake level won’t rise and the rooftop bar season may expand and I’m totally considering retiring there.
@@hectorvega621Navy pier sucks ass. Literally just a strip mall and a Ferris Wheel. It’s free to go there because they’re counting on you buying stuff there. Tourist trap at best.
I think one important thing to note about Texas and climate change is just how big it is. Parts of Texas face drought regularly, but personally I live in Houston. We have the opposite problem: too much water.
@@brandonreyes2417 the cost would be to high for 5000 miles of people going thru everyone's back yard, desalinization is the answer, just like Israel is doing
Having been born and raised in Cleveland I have to say that the people from Ohio and the Midwest are some of the nicest around, moving to other parts of the country shows you things about your home state that you never realize until you leave!
I'm immigrant in USA from south Europe and I can confirm what you say. Currently in Illinois and I traveled the whole country. Only New England area can compare with this region.
@@nick31427 Midwesterners are genuinely friendly and polite/concerned with your wellbeing. There is a friendliness in the South, but it's fake to your face, followed by mocking you and condemning you because of your surname, religion, lack of familiar accent and your education level.
From Michigan and here’s the reason I left and refuse to go back. It’s a combination of lack of job/career opportunities, cold depressing winters that last most the year, not as affordable as you might think once you factor in high auto insurance, heat and constant car maintenance from all the salt on the roads.
@Scott C. If you think that 20% number is bad, come to San Antonio. I have had police officers tell me at least 50% of drivers in S.A. don't have insurance.
A factor you failed to mention is politics. Both Michigan and Illinois have large, predominately liberal, urban centers that use their sheer numbers to dominate the rural areas.
I'd say it evens out. In theory IL and MI would take liberal migrants from around the country, while WI, IN, and OH would take conservatives. In my experience work opportunities elsewhere, and weather make people leave the north central region. Anecdotally, I haven't met too many people who move for ideological/tax reasons, usually because it all evens out.
Why are people leaving Michigan? Simple... The politicians who are destroying the manufacturing sector and are now coming after agriculture under the disguise of protecting the water supply. Don't be fooled.
I have lived in Michigan for 86 years and have been happy here. I believe in the future more people will move here mainly due the fresh water we have. I also believe the weather will warm up some and will become a more desirable place to live.
I believe most people think Gretchen Whitmer is doing a great job - I do. I don't see how not having her or someone like her would make things better.@@jamessveinsson6006
Grew up in Iowa and was in military for 20 years. Lived in 8 states. Moved to Wisconsin 33 years ago. Love it here and this will be home for the rest of my life.
There’s an interesting Great Lakes counter example here: in the 10 years you looked at Ontario on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes grew by about 2 million people and now has more people than the Illinois
Ontario is quite ly to be called the southside of Canada. It's just crazy if you move north from Chicago business district with multi million dollar homes and billion dollar industries. You quickly reach building's and lots that only cost 10 or 20 Grand First you may pass Gary then Milwaukee or Detroit after a few hours then on the other side of the Lakes homes again cost Millions around Greater Toronto.
@@_________. Ontario is way bigger, you are not wrong about that, but almost all of its population lives densely in the south of the province and the rest of the greater north of Ontario is very sparsely populated.
@@soulyv You can write something about Illinois. Illinois has a lot of land in its own way not as big as Ontatrio, but still a decent size. Big enough where it can take like six hours to drive or take a train from Chicago IL to Carbondale IL. And similar to what you wrote about Ontario most of the population lives in the Chicago area as well.
Exactly. Syracuse was called the salt city. Syracuse used to be one of the largest suppliers of salt in the country. Salt back then was used to cure food, no cure, you die. Basically new York in many areas used to stabilize the entire country. Now the taxes are too high, the laws are unjust and penalize good people, the politics are just wrong in almost every way, that's why so many leave and have left. Taxes drove out almost every main business to ever exist in upstate, it's cheaper anywhere to operate business. No business , no jobs, no taxpayers, no more people. Simple
Yes. I was thinking the same exact thing, Geoff might want to expand on his knowledge of history a little more, The Erie canal was huge in developing the Great Lakes states (before railroads took over).
I first wish to thank you for you channel/content. I enjoy it thoroughly. Second, I'd like to add my personal take on why I shall not be moving out of MI. The primary reason why I will remain in MI for the rest of my life(born and raised in Okinawa, Japan, moved here by my father in my early teens in the metro Detroit area), is because of the abundance of fresh water/favorable climate and geography for animal husbandry/mobile butchering business I am in the process of manifesting, as well as practicing and expanding my hobby for woodworking in the realm of livestock housing and home furniture. We all need potable water, food, and shelter to survive and thrive. If/when I can establish my own personal requirements for these skills/services first within my own property/home, I can slowly scale it up to accommodate customers within my own local community, and perhaps even beyond through workshops/tutoring/skill sharing, it will not only help me and my future family but those within MI and the surrounding Great Lakes region. Adding the extensive waterways we can navigate to help facilitate trade beyond my state, I can obtain goods that are more difficult to come by as well. I've always loved sea food, and the great Mississippi River is my gateway to trading for such commodities. Find a need, fill a need. Best of luck to all who read this.
I was born in California and moved back to Michigan when I was about 16 (my family is from here). After being in a place so hot and dry for so long you never take the cold and water for granted. Snow is amazing. Rain is incredible. Being able to leave the house without sunglasses and spend the whole day outside without getting burned to a crisp - or just being able to leave my house without feeling like I'm walking into a physical wall of heat. Michiganders just don't know how good they have it. I'll take the grey skies and 6 months of winter, no problem.
The Ohio and Mississippi River regions are not part of the Great Lakes region. Ontario and Northwestern Pennsylvania and Western New York should be included.
They are, just look at the map. He is redefining the term to suit his purposes. Does not work for me. When I see huge mistakes like that, I tend to disregard the rest of what is being said.
PA and NY are considered Northeast/Mid-Atlantic states, and as long as Buffalo and Pittsburgh share their respective states with NYC and Philly, that's not changing. Minnesota is listed as a Northern Plains state. Nothing weird there.
@@Empr4evr Pittsburgh is in the Ohio River region. Erie PA is in the Great Lakes region. My complaint is that this video mostly discussed the Great Lakes region but used a thumbnail showing Great Lakes states.
@@FameyFamous With that arbitrary and ignorant reasoning, then Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio can't be part of the Great Lakes region because half of their areas are closer to these rivers than a Great Lake.
I currently live in Wisconsin and the only reason why I want to live out of the state is due to the USA has a whole and not the state. Wisconsin is a very nice state to live in and it has lots of good people
Very good people. I'm an immigrant in this country and I can confirm this I don't understand what's about "southern hospitality" myth. I could never live down south
This video confirmed my suspicion regarding the weather getting milder. I live in Wisconsin along the lake shore. I’ve lived here my whole life. I’m 51. Back in college I wanted nothing more than to move to somewhere warmer. I continued to hold that belief up until only, maybe five years ago. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this area has gotten much warmer than it was when I was a kid. I love the summers here, and I’ve always been a very outdoorsy person which is mainly why I wanted to leave. Besides the fact that I’m getting a bit too old to want to move anymore - despite finally being able to if I wanted to - it’s been getting so warm here that I’m able to enjoy my outdoor time for most of the year. We are currently at 1° outside, lol, but I was still wilderness camping up north in October, and comfortably hiking local trails through December. It’s crazy!
As measured since the 1850s at New York's Battery, sea levels are rising only approximately 2.85 mm per year. I hardly think that will be a deciding factor to get people to move back to the Midwest. Edit: I originally posted 0.1 mms/year. That's the variability of the data, not the actual sea level rise per year. I have now corrected the actual sea level rise per year to be 2.85 mm per year. My apologies for posting the original inaccurate number.
@@UserName-ts3sp I kind of ignored your rate because i know from NOAA it is more, sea level along the U.S. coastline is projected to rise, on average, 10 - 12 inches in the next 30 years
My family is from NYC, but we lived three years in the western suburbs of Chicago (1967-69) and we loved it. I also went to college in Illinois and it was great.
Living in western New York, it would have been really nice to have been included since a lot of what you said about the region is true here as well but I get if you couldn't because including New York City that is nowhere near the Great Lakes throws the population numbers off.
I was born in Chicago in 1970. Lived there until April 2015. The biggest reason I left was taxes and politics. I loved going downtown, till I didn't. I lived in small farming communities, vacationed in Wisconsin, and had a good life. The government keep making it harder and harder to be happy. It's hard to even go back to visit Illinois. I don't want to spend any money there. Wisconsin I'll visit in a heart beat.
The great memories of vacationing in Wisconsin. I could easily move there from here in Illinois Thinking of staying right here in the midwest when retiring. Hate the cold weather but my hot flashes hate the hot weather too!
Chicago in the 90's was my favorite place to play. I travelled there often for work and really got to know it well for an outsider, especially hanging with a Chicago salesman who grew up being a downtown courier. Wacker drive was a trip by the pier. The pacific club out in downer's grove, the whole downtown, especially uno's. I never even heard of any crime incidents, let alone witness one. Walked and cabbed around with impunity. Today, there is no effing way I will go anywhere near there, and I would really like to see Shedd one more time.
@@jjrusy7438 Crime is a fraction of what it was in the 90's The hysteria over carjackings today wouldn't even be on the news in the 90's , murders were double or triple what they are today , peak murders for the city was roughly a thousand in 95
Michigander here. People aren’t leaving. They’re dying. 5 years ago the Great Lake Lord Ugobogolundus emerged and started demanding Faygo pop as tribute. Naturally we refused to either give him our delicious regional beverages or begin calling it “soda”. Stupid name for pop. This enraged the creature and ever since he has been blasting his mix tapes over the airwaves and plugging his SoundCloud.
The US government should focus on bringing back steel and manufacturing to the rust belt area as it becomes a national security issue where certain products need to be made in house
Won’t come back to the mid-west. The Caucasian and African American Midwest working class is no longer functional thanks to heroin and obesity. Unfortunately, the politics of the Midwest are consistently anti-immigration and thus unable to take advantage of the laborers that come from migration across the border from Mexico. All the states that are growing have abundant lower cost labor populations from Mexico/South America.
Yup! If we got into a war with China and we're buying their steal for our aircraft carriers, tanks and fighter jets, doesn't our government see a problem with that? Even if it costs more, steal is important for our national security. We need to be self reliant in steal.
From MI, moved to NC. In my experience, the north has nicer people and many New York and New Jersey people are moving to NC and you can see the difference. Originally from Mi, moved to NC for 4 yrs and I’m happy to be back in MI.
I think you missed another driving factor for folks leaving the area since 2020 as I am one of them: politics. The way cities and the state is run, government, whatever you want to call it.
I spent my childhood in WI, my teens in AZ, college in WI, back to AZ for 2 years, back to WI for 3.5 years, then got sick of the Milwaukee winters and moved back to AZ and been here the last 7 years. Now with all the water talk, I'm considering moving back, but that climate is not fun.
I live a mile south of The Great Lake Ontario! Yeah winters can get bad, but no one loses their house from a snowstorm! Lots of fresh water too! Proud to be a Great Laker!
I grew up in Cleveland, lived for some years in South Florida, and spent most of my adult life in California. When my wife passed away, I retired, and it was time to relocate for a lower cost of living, I moved back to Cleveland. I don't need the pestilential heat and humidity in Florida. A few months of it up here per year is plenty. And yes, climate change was a factor. Between the threat of hurricanes and the lack of available homeowner's insurance, I don't want to be stuck with an unsellable Florida property. Snow and cold is a drawback, yes, but staying indoors isn't the worst thing a retiree can do. In four years I haven't regretted my move for a minute. With age comes wisdom.
Grew up in Milwaukee. Left for the Marine Corps in 1977 and didn't return even to visit until 2005. I live in AZ. I now visit Door County every year for several months in the summer. It is absolutely beautiful and the people are very friendly. Life is much more enjoyable without the hustle and bustle of the city. I fish all summer long and even hunt there in the fall...it's absolutely excellent. I would move there in a second if it wasn't for the weather. 7 Months of cold, gray skies and having to basically hibernate inside for that long drives me crazy. There is a big difference between being hot versus being cold.....cold hurts.
Now days it's the weather, no major companies would even consider it as it has been brain drained to the sun belt. Mostly talking about the northern areas, the south midwest is rather mild.
I have recently moved back to Michigan from the PNW. Droughts and smoke/fire season are just getting worse. Ive had a whole summer of smoke at a heavy fog density. I can live coastal Michigan for cheaper and the UP is still rather inexpensive and a gem. When people finally discover how cool Marquette MI is... Itll be the next Seattle/Portland I beleive. I am still young and im looking at 2040 to be quite insanse in MI
There are two reasons, government and winter. Most of the issues are in Chicago which has by far the largest population and the most people leaving. Wisconsin is actually growing slightly. With Green Bay growing way up north.
The government causing the problem is the federal government. The blue states send their money in and watch the R's send it to their red states while the big cities have lost their industry, their tax base, their housing. Help for the inner cities is not on their agenda and never will be.
I’ve lived in the same Michigan city for all of my 40 years, with no intention of leaving. Just going up north to see sights is a good enough vacation. Michigan is the hidden gem of the country, and others just don’t know it. I’ve heard from so many people that want to leave, or stories about they hate it here, and I just…don’t get it. I hate winter, and the grayness of it here, but I can’t imagine being anywhere else.
NY isn’t mentioned but upstate def had a lot of shared history with this, which is partly evident in the accent being pretty similar across the great lakes, with just more or less canadian accent influence depending on where you are
I am not one hundred percent in agreement with this video. It wasn't the move of industry to Asia that started the decline of population in the Great Lake states. It was that the factories and infrastructure was getting old and in disrepair that prompted the executives of the industry to relocate. The fact that winters were so harsh had the executives looking south for places to relocate to. Texas and Atlanta, Georgia became the destination for most of that business. Most of these decisions were affected by how the governments of the two different areas were accommodating to or lacked the will to work with the industry. So Texas cities grew as midwest cities shrank. The same thing happened with Atlanta. As Atlanta grew and Chicago shrank, O'Hara Airport lost its status as the world's busiest airport to Atlanta's Airport. Now that we see Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin gaining population while Illinois and Michigan are still losing population can be attributed to one important factor, that is the political parties that are in power in those states. The democratic party rule in Illinois and Chicago has created problems with crime in that formerly great city. Indianapolis, on the other hand, grew throughout the years that the rest of the Midwest was in decline.
O"Hare is still a very busy airport. While the Chicago area has its issues some people continue to move to the area. Indianapolis seems ok, but I don't fully agree with your take on Indianapolis and Chicago. Speaking of Wisconsin Milwaukee also has been seeing a growing reputation for crime unfortunately. My guess if you'd blame the local democrats for that one as well. Far as I'm concerned Chicago is still a great city with lots to offer like Ukrainian village along with other Eastern European communities. A bunch of different neighborhoods to visit and hangout in like Lincoln Square and Andersonville. But yea crime is an issue in Chicago as well.
i think politics are a part of it but not entirely. most of michigan and illinois’s population were centered in old industrial cities. columbus, indianapolis and most of wisconsin weren’t hit as much. so those cities have grown while most of the other cities haven’t
I lived that! You are exactly correct. The industry of the Midwest went south to Texas and Atlanta first before the US started iosing manufacturing plants to Asia. I grew up in a small thriving town in Southwestern and Michigan. The two had three big industrial employers with a neighboring small town five miles away that had two more large industrial employers. After I graduated high school in 1971, I went to Indianapolis to further my education, I was hoping to return to Michigan after school to live and work. However, the lack of jobs as companies moved out of the area negated that plan. I remained in Indianapolis throughout my career, but every time I was in the job market, headhunters were trying to get me to go to Texas or Atlanta. I managed to stay in Indianapolis because it had the right political party running the government, which was pro business and manufacturing. My parents also left our town and moved to Ohio, where they were closer to extended family and in an area with more employment opportunities, but it wasn't as good as Indianapolis, so I remained there. As for the climate, I find that the south is two hot almost all year, but in the Midwest, the winters are getting milder than they once were. Summers have been more comfortable than in the past also. The great lakes have an effect on the weather that makes it cooler in the summer, warmer in the winter in Michigan and near the shoreline in the other states. The real only drawback is that the lake effects, where wind blowing across the lakes picks up moisture and dumps when it reaches the land. So whatever the direction of the wind is from the land along that shore gets a heavy snowfall for about 75 to 100 miles from the lake.
As a Texan living in Wisconsin for the past 6 years, I’m finally moving back down to my home state. A couple of reasons. 1. There is a severe lack of any culture in this state. I’m talking traditions, food, music, etc. People eat cannibal sandwiches during Christmas for fucks sake. This is their culture. 2. I feel the taxes are very high in relation to what you get. 3. Last and definitely the biggest reason. WINTER. Life is honestly not terrible here during the summer and even during fall, but the winters are extremely long and depressing. I finally understand why so many people from the Midwest end up retiring in places like Florida and Arizona.
U didn’t live in Wisconsin if u say there is a lack of culture here. There are literally more cultural festivals in this state than any other state. Wisconsin has a ton of history in America relative to its age; Milwaukee is also ranked in the top 30 most diverse cities in the US if you mean that culturally.
@@Max-bi8fn I lived in beaver dam for a year, mayville and horicon for an additional 2 years and I’ve been in madison for the last 2. Trust me, Wisconsin is lacking tons of culture. The only “culture” here is micro breweries, cheese curds for days for no reason, and cannibal sandwiches which is fucking disgusting. Yeah there’s tiny pockets of culture in Milwaukee and even here in madison, but the VAST majority of the state has zero culture.
@@colscott5016 LOL the vast majority of Texas is even worse; go ahead and tell me anything on I-20 or I-35 has culture. Again you dont truly live in Wisconsin, you have a house here.
I moved to Texas last year from Illinois. The summer heat is definitely a pain, but the thing that concerns me the most is just how many people are moving here with me. Every open space is being dug up and developed into a subdivision or strip mall. I personally wonder if I'll be able to afford living here 10-15 years from now.
i was born and raised in mid-michigan in the 1970s...it was a very decent place, with very decent people, but even then it was already starting to be clear that michigan's day was past. lol, it was a great place to be-from though!
DONT WORRY, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, MORE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT MICHIGAN, FLORIDA NOW IS FLOODING ON A REGULAR BASIS, EVERYONE MUST NOW HAVE FLOOD INSURANE AT HIGH COST, SO IT DRIES THE POOR PEOPLE OUT, ALL THE HOUS INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE LEAVING, LIKE FAST
People are moving OUT of Illinois and over the border to Wisconsin. The whole Lake Michigan SW coast there is just one continuation of Chicago, but the TAXES are way less in Wisconsin.
The cost of living here in Columbus, Ohio is completely out of control. All new neighborhoods being built are starting in $400k range. New apartments are starting at around $1100 to $1200/mo. Building a house is just as bad. I have no clue how the younger generations are going to afford a house. I mean, yes there are cheaper neighborhoods but you get what you pay for. Unless these young kids get married at 21 and save one entire income for about 8 years. But then again, they'll have to rent which is expensive or live with their parents.
I’m a Michigander who just moved to Oregon in July. I moved for school and i’m sure i’ll be back home in a few years but yeah, cool to see a video about my region.
In Michigan GM closing factories and moving them to other countries is the main reason people are leaving the state. Saginaw Flint and Detroit were ruined during the 90’s.
AZ has 4 years of water if we didn't get another drop. Also we are heading into an El Nino weather cycle which will bring increased precipitation. Plus our economic policies are positive for the individual.
Here in Arizona, most of my neighbors are from the Great Lakes or New England regions. They came for the sun and strong economy but some are starting to look at moving as water shortages are starting to get painful.
Lifelong Chicagoan. I lived in Arizona for a year, and can’t wait to move back west whether that means Arizona or another state. Absolutely hate Chicago weather, and nothing to offer if you’re an outdoorsman who enjoys terrain other than swamps and flat muddy meadows.
I'm happily moving back to Michigan from Florida. That state is going downhill fast. Our insurance rates alone for our home in south Florida is going up from $7000 a year to $11000 due to hurricane impacts. Michigan also has way more jobs. Too many people in Florida means way more competition for jobs too.
I’m surprised that the tax rate wasn’t brought up for a reason that people are leaving Illinois. Anecdotally, all of the people that I know who have left Illinois have done so for economic reasons. Housing and property taxes in the Chicagoland area are insanely high. And the middle class who pays those high taxes, gets very few benefits from them.
@Lastluke Property taxes go mostly for schools and that is why the wealthy Chicago suburban cities are considered to have some of the best public schools in the nation.
I am a 5th generation Oregonian.2 yrs ago I moved to Pittsburgh. I got a great job with the pile drivers union .Houses are cheep water trash and everything else is cheaper here.My daughter will have a better life and I will own instead of rent
I mostly agree but not totally. Small numbers of people are factoring it in, and more will do so in coming years. I agree that taxes and jobs and family are driving, immediate forces and will be for some time to come. Wait until the Colorado River truly dries up one summer and you get four Hurricane Ians in one season in Florida. The seesaw will eventually tilt back up that way more.
I have heard of it happening. Seen news segments where people along the Lousiana coast were considering it. To them they the water getting closer and closer to where they lived, where there parents and grandparents lived. It was like one house down south in the state even pass New Orleans. Some of the people in Barrow Alaska feel like the climate is changing at a rapid paste for them. Certain signs like a certain bird that normally return at a certain month isn't doing so as often. The man in the video talked about how they feel like they have to adapt that what they were taught as kids doesn't apply anymore and they believe climate change is part of it. Granted they're not moving from Barrow they plan to stay at the time of the recording.
I'm from south west Michigan. The winters are depressing, the summers are hot and humid. Add that to a declining economy, insularism, lack of diverse culture or anything stimulating other than alcoholism. Three months out of the year it's not a bad place to live though.
That is so far from my experience of Southwest MI. Lots of Diveristy and amenties in Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo. not as much in Berrien County, but it's more diverse than you seem to think. Within a hr drive there are several major concerts and theater venues. Excellent resturuants, for every cuisine type. And yes, Alcohol is a big thing but i wouldn't necessarily equate the high number of breweries and wineries with alcoholism. Yes winters can be cold and snowy. And summer is humid. But you can still enjoy the outdoors. I'd say we have 7 good months.
I firmly believe this area will see a resurgence. With a waming climate, our winters have gotten much milder on average. We will also have plenty of fresh water.
Grew up in Western Michigan and moved when I was 15-16 down to Central Texas and haven't moved since. Me and my mom wanted a new fresh start some place with better opportunities. As much as I love things about Michigan a lot of things made us want to move. Snow was the biggest one, yeah its nice at first. But gets annoying then having it cloudy a lot just makes it feel depressing. Job types also kind of lacked. Mainly either medical or factory jobs. Yeah the summers can get hot down here in Texas but I'll take it over snow any day. I don't mind visiting from time to time back to Michigan during the summers. But I would never move back.
My GF moved from Florida to Indiana. For cold weather and better job opportunities. All those booming southern states are going to implode. Orlando, LA, and Austin are all unlivable in terms of affordability, let alone the weather. The Midwest will just continue to get cheaper and more attractive as bodies pile elsewhere.
It's May 1st and 45 degrees in NE Ohio. Also Youngstown's local news legend Stan Boney sang "Hang in There, Youngstown" 40 years ago. How long do they expect people to hang on? I'm headed south.
I was born in MI and moved to N Carolina when I was 30. I have been in Charlotte ever since (27 yrs). It was the best thing I’ve ever done. Going home to the Lansing area makes me want to cry bc it’s so bad. I will say though the one thing I miss is Lake Michigan. My parents always had a place in a campground near the lake when I was a kid. I spent every weekend in the summer on the beach at lake MI or out on my dads boat. It was amazing. I pray I get to go back to the beach I grew up on one more time before I die. It makes me cry just to think about it.
I had similar experience. I moved east to Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Better economy in the east. Much better food in the east. Housing, well you get what you pay for. East had lower tax values on our home. East had better schools. Better paying jobs. Can't find good Dr in midwest or get timely apt. Things have fallen and keep falling apart in the midwest.
@@thedirtybubble9613 well when I went back with my daughter she started to cry and I said what’s wrong & she said why didn’t you ever tell me I grew up in the ghetto. It wasn’t like that when we left. I mean everything is closed. So much crime. So much homelessness. You stop your car you get approached. I left in 96 & a stranger had already climbed in my back seat at a store with my daughter inside & demanded I drive him out of town. He started singing saying he had sung me a song so I must drive him. He got out with a lot of me yelling at him. I was at a convenience store another time & a man as I was getting in my car approached and put himself between me and my car an d started telling me he was going to chop me up into pieces. We went back about 5 yrs ago for a wedding & stayed in the fanciest hotel the city had. When we pulled up at two am after traveling so far a man approached our rental car and a security guard yelled at us to stay in the car & lock the doors. He later told us that man shows up every night & says he has a gun & points it at me but it’s always a shoe. He said tonight it was a gun. I think if we stayed we would have never had the life we have today. My daughter & her husband opened the first cbd store in NC & live in a million dollar home at the lake with a boat docked all year long. My husband & I who grew up in a trailer park came down here and he started his own company & it was very successful and we have a very nice home. Without college educations we have all done well for ourselves. The weather is amazing. The ppl are so happy & nice and willing to help with anything you need. Been in my house 22 yrs without a lick of trouble. Oh on New Year’s Eve my nephew was at a convenience store in Lansing and was checking out when something hit him behind his ear. He went to the er. It was a shooting and the shrapnel lodged behind his ear. So yea I don’t like lansing. I also when I was 14 woke up to my mom needing to talk to me before school. My best friend since 2 was Julie. Well her mom was gorgeous & so much fun. She worked at Kmart. She left work & as she was sliding into her drivers side a man got in the passengers. A total stranger. He stabbed her 16 times. It was all over the news on tv. They never caught him. She survived. So my feelings are probably never going to change. I am going there in July. First time in years. I’m scared honestly but I stay with my parents who thank god live outside of lansing in a tiny safe town. There’s nothing to do there in Lansing anymore. It’s sad. When I was very little it was a great place to live.
@@tammydeland8791 I lived in Lansing from 1985 to 1990. I have many great memories. Just out of curiosity, what area of Lansing did you live in and what area did the bad things happen?
@@independ4416 I lived on a street called Lyons on the south side of Lansing. It was between Cedar and Pennsylvania. The bad things all happened right in that neighborhood.
As a Michigander, i think about this often. I love living in Mi. With the way climate change is going, i feel very lucky to live here. I get so thrown off when people say they hate Michigan and want to move away. For why? We've got decent cities, upnorth is beautiful and we've got mini oceans hugging our borders. & so far no wild fires or hurricanes.
What the discussion around states loosing population ignore is that not all parts of a state are impacted equally by outward migration. I'm from the Chicago area myself. A lot of the outward migration from Illinois is happening outside of the Chicago area. While there's people leaving the Chicago area there's also more people coming to the Chicago area vs other areas of Illinois for multiple reasons including job opportunities and education. Last I checked Grand Rapids is also home to multiple educational institutions as well. Just briefly mentioning a state loosing population is not enough information in itself if you really think about it. Sure it tells you that it's happening, but it's not a detailed comment to just write that without adding more detail like what areas are experiencing it more within the state and why.
36 years old. born and raised in florida. leaving in 3 weeks because it's too damn hot. too crowded. and fuck hurricanes. it's just not worth it anymore. im moving to tennessee. looking forward to experiencing all four seasons
Northeast Ohioan here. I wouldn’t trade my region for any other region in the country. Not moving anywhere, never will. We have the best of all worlds this country has to offer, in one state.
Hot humid summers, mosquitoes, freezing long winters. I use to live in Minneapolis. Now in San Francisco. Beautiful cool weather and sunny warm days!!❤
9:11 I was part of the 2020 census in IL. A lot of would be students residents were not counted that year, as the census was delayed and did not take place until August/September. Many colleges were not back in session yet. In theory, students would still complete census according to where they lived most of the year (often on campus) but many did not. Of course, this was an issue faced by all Midwestern states, not just IL. But I wonder if our “out of state” student population is higher than other Midwestern states, and if that affected our count.
It might be worth mentioning Western and Upstate NY as well and the people leaving that place. But I think that is more about political policies impacting the state over geography. I moved away from there for a job in DC, but honestly I am ready to move back to a rust belt type city and Columbus has my eye, or Cleveland.
I have a degree in Geography from UNC-Greensboro, class if 1994. In one of my Geography classes, one of the older Geographer Professors told our class that the highest SAT scores in the country came out of the states you are talking about. He claimed it is was because of the fact those states had extremely high concentrations of people of German, Swedish and Nordic ancestry. I dont know if that is still true today.
I have lived in Minnesota all of my life. I have family here and, sentimentality being what it is, I couldn't leave. The winter's cold brings people together. Enjoy a bonfire sometime, roast a wiener, have a beer. The people are kind because they have been through winters together.
As a lifelong resident of Illinois, I can declare why everybody’s leaving Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin. I don’t know too much about Indiana, because Indiana is a very deep red state in Ohio is the red state to but I know it’s taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the cold.
As somebody who has spent 90% of my life in Michigan, Illinois & Minnesota, I can tell you why people are leaving. WINTER! Cold & bleak for 5+months a year is a bit much for a lot of folks, especially those that are over 50. Not to mention the not so friendly tax situation in most of these states for senior citizens. Oh and ILLINOIS is a complete $hit show, sadly enough people can't afford to leave the Land of Disfunction.
I'm amazed at how inexpensive land and housing is in upstate NY. If Canada and the US merged, that area would boom because a lot of people from Ontario would move there. I grew up in Southern Ontario and it is much like the U.S. great lakes states. People in other parts of Canada and the U.S. have no idea how nice the beaches are in the summer on the great lakes. The winters are long though... but flights to Mexico are cheap.
I would readily add Central/Western New York (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, etc.), Western Pennsylvania (inc. both Pittsburgh and Erie), and parts of Missouri (especially St. Louis) to this whole Great Lakes States discussion.
Sea level rise has not changed in terms of rate in hundreds of years... CO2 is the source of all life on the planet, Climate Change as it is defined is a hoax. Daily high temps have been falling for over 80 years. 30 years of pushing the lie have made people believe it...
supposedly it's some new fangled idea.Something that was called "global warming" now changed to "climate change" but before that in the 70s everyone was considering painting roofs black due to global cooling and a new ice age coming . They can't seem to make up their minds from polar vortexes to atmospheric rivers . Good thing there's still that thing called weather that changes daily, monthly, seasonally etc to balance stuff out like it always has since the planet started spinning somewhere between a few thousand years ago and a few billion. .
Oh, right the sea level rise story has only been in the news for several years now so maybe that isn't long enough for you to catch on. I have been following this issue of sea level rise for over a decade. The warming of the atmosphere because of increased atmospheric CO2 and to a lesser degree methane. CO2 has been increasing since the beginning of the industrial era over 150 years ago. During that time it has increased 50% from 280ppm to 420 ppm now. Increased atmospheric CO2 leads to more heat retained in the atmosphere and thus a warming average temperature globally. This leads to seas warming up which causes them to expand and that is the main reason for sea level rise. The other reason for sea level rise is due to the melting glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland. The warming climate also results in more extreme weather in the form of floods, heat waves, drought, hurricanes and so on. Everything I have stated is well documented which you can verify online.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 The IPCC say there isn't evidence for increased storms. The rate of the rise of the seas is what it was a century ago according to the research. Greenland had its coldest winter on record last year, and the deep water in the North Atlantic has been getting colder.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 You missed the entire point, which somehow does not surprise me. Sea level has been rising for 20,000 years. In the last 150 years the RATE has not changed. If AGW were happening to any significant amount the rate of rise would be increasing in that window of time, but it is not.
The midwest has definitly struggled to adapt to the loss of so much manufacturing to overseas and the poor management of food related treaties with asia.
I was born in Chicago and grew up in the northwest suburbs. I lived in Jacksonville, Florida for 2 years and I gotta say...while many Illinoisans complain about our winters, taxes, and politics, there's still no place like home. When I was 18 (now I'm 28), I realized most people from Chicago and the great lakes area have a slight accent when they speak, something I didn't realize until I lived in Florida. Whenever I talked to a Chicagoan while I lived down there, I got very homesick. Of course, I missed our signature Chicago foods when living in Florida, which I took for granted as a kid. Jacksonville and all over Florida has great fish, shrimp, and other seafood as well as hushpuppies!! I'm glad I moved back and wouldn't want it any other way!! Side note: I love the beaches in Florida, but I got back into snow skiing last winter season in Wilmot, Wisconsin (first time in 15 years) and I also skiied in Breckenridge, Colorado last April which was awesome!! THAT is something you CANNOT do in Florida!!
I have lived in Canada (Alberta), Pittsburgh, Houston, Baton Rouge, Burlington, NC, St Paul, and now live in rhe burbs near Indianapolis. I have pretty much visited every major Midwest city. I would say that Cincinnati, Minneapolis and Indianapolis are the least steriotypic in the area. They do not have a 'rust belt' feel to them. They feel like places that have a future. Indianapolis suffers in that the rest of Indiana is too conservative, not an issue in Minneapolis, but I feel the cities themselves are more progressive than a video like this suggests.
Unfortunately most of the Midwest has been cut down for farmland. It’s constantly windy, lots of factories that will work you 50hrs+ a week. And now it’s turning liberal.
Leaving illinois soon myself. Chicagoland has a lot of infrastructure but crime is getting worse, and the cost of living is getting out of hand. The "starter houses" in my area (small 2 bedroom ugly houses) are $500,000+ Most of my friends are moving to western states where you can stretch a dollar farther and take the bus without having to deal with crackheads sleeping on the seat next to them. Sad, I like it here but it's not worth the cost
I live in a small town near Columbus, OH. I was born in a small town, I live in a small town, and I'll probably die in this small town (because its good enough for me).
@@Worldaffairslover Union county is the 2nd wealthiest county per capita in the state of Ohio. And we have a top 20 high school in the state. Also, Scott's (Miracle Grow) global headquarters and manufacturing plant. Look up the stats, this is one of the fastest growing areas in all of Ohio currently.
@@michaelfried3123 it is for an entire family. But Delaware (my county) is the wealthiest by far, 21st wealthiest county in the country. Best schools in the state☠️
i worked in the automotive industry for about 10 years in the '00s and visited this region a lot. chitty weather for large portions of the year and too far from the ocean. many from the mid-west, north-east and more recently, california, are moving to my state, NC. NC is now the 9th most populated state.
As a lifelong Great Lakes area resident, I've met exactly ZERO people who have moved here due to fears of climate change. And know personally a lot of people who have moved to Florida for retirement. People don't like it here because it's grey, cold, and dismal 6 months of the year, and still has an awful hot and humid summer.
I'm from Milwaukee. People move here to finally own a house!!! It has ZERO to do with climate change. Absolutely nothing!
Thats how you do it John. I am also lifelong great laker and it sucks. Don't ever ever ever move here. I like the cost of living just as it is
no that is not the Case, i lived in that Cold and dismal state of michigan for 36 years. cant speak for ohio in or wi but Mi has poor roads very high property taxes very mean and nasty Gov , it was very high taxes home prices jobs that did not pay that well very high rents in the Ann Arbor area. Il is a very high tax and cost state and very high crime, why Wi oh and In are loseing people i dont under Stand
@@dknowles60 LOL thank you for the laughs your idiotic BS provided. We have the best Governor here in MIchigan
@@dknowles60 Ohio and Wisconsin are not experiencing a net loss of population, both have a slower population growth than other states. Ohio's current population is the highest in its history. Lately, of the states created from the Old Northwest Territory, only Illinois has experienced a net loss of population.
We moved to Wisconsin right along Lake Michigan in the north east corner, on the Door County Peninsula In 2018 from Seattle Washington. The cost of living is so much cheaper in Wisconsin, plus in our rural area, we have virtually no crime, no traffic, no pollution, minimal stress, and plenty of lake water as we love to sail and kayak! Real estate prices in Washington state went crazy, and we cashed out and use the equity from that house sale to purchase a house on 3 acres in Wisconsin with cash, and enjoying early retirement, with a mortgage and debt-free lifestyle.
Moved back to Indiana after 16 years in Seattle in 2017. There are many things I miss about the PNW-the passive/aggressiveness is not one of them.
Damn. Life is all about timing. The average person under 35 can't even afford a house in the upper midwest now. Renters forever.
People are swarming to Wisconsin.. a very beautiful state.. you are is a very beautiful area
I love Door County. The tourists keep it alive. So much to do and see.
I'm going back to Two rivers/Manitowoc next month.i miss it. 😊😊😢
I lived in michigan for 63 years. Hot summers and cold winters. No earthquakes. Very few tornadoes. Love it. The more people leave. The more space there is for me.
How young are you, Michigan has had some deadly Tornados
I grew up in Michigan and I don’t think it can be understated how cold, snowy, and generally gray and miserable winter is. I think a big part of the reason for the migration south is that, as the US shifts from an agricultural/manufacturing economy to a service/knowledge economy, jobs aren’t as dependent on natural resources so people don’t have to put up with awful weather to find good work anymore.
(Of course, there is plenty of variability even in the Midwest. Winter in Cincinnati is going to feel a lot different from winter in Duluth)
YES 30 PERCENT MOVED TO FLORIDA WHEN COVID HIT, AND THEY NOW WORK FROM HOME, THEY WANTED SUN AND SURF BUT NOW HOUSING INSURANCE IS DRIVING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF FLORIDA, FLORIDA HAS THE FIRST " SOCIALIZED" HOME INSURANCE OWNED BY THE GOV OF FLORIDA, OTHERWISE A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD LEAVE BECAUSE ALL THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE LEFT FLORIDA, TO MANY FLOODS AND STORMS
Ok but we don’t drop dead of heatstroke in the summers… I’ll take some gray clouds over 90°+ weather any day
@@benny368_ Said proudly by someone who doesn’t work outside in the summer.
I’ve lived in many places. The Midwest is easily the most depressing.
@@venomlink2033 We’ll see how you feel in 20 years when the south is borderline unlivable. You’ll be back.
You forgot to mention Central and Upstate NY, we’re much more similar to the great lakes in every way as opposed to the east coast. Also Buffalo was a driving force that helped fuel immigration west along the great lakes.
I was going to post something like this. I can see Lake Ontario right outside my window as I type. To not include the area in "the great lake states" makes no sense.
Like most states in this area, the laws are ridiculous, the taxes are enormous, the pace is too fast and the people are bombarded with so much stress and snow it's not worth the hassle.
I'm an upstate NYer. Thought the same thing!
Quite odd, Midwestern statesIllinois and Indiana are all of a sudden considered Great Lake states but Minnesota and New York are not.
@@johnrickles3378 things that have nothing to do with geography of course.
As a Michigander for most of my 50+ years. One huge factor is the aging baby boomers have their ailments exacerbated by the cold winters and ridiculously humid summers.
My mom has lupus and was advised to leave the state over 10 years ago. My oldest niece who is in her mid upper 40s just moved to NM because of swelling of her extremities in the summer.
And I thought they were leaving because of Gretchen Whitmer lol
@@jamessveinsson6006 It's funny thing that Republicans say that but the truth is we lost population in only one census under Governor Snyder and Granholm because while manufacturing jobs were dying and while we were the epicenter of 2 financial collapses in finance and the auto industry he was too mocking the children he poisoned to care "remember that they are just a bunch of poor and black and Hispanic kids that if we don't talk about publicly no one is really going to care about".
We had 3 previous disasters as Governors
John Engler (tax the poor to give to the rich), Jennifer Granholm (I build roads to cities that exist because I own a construction company) and Rick Snyder (I poison the children but only the ones no one cares about).
Three vile people 2 Republicans and 1 Democrats who spent their entire time destroying the state and lining their pockets.
To me the jury isn't in on Whitmer yet.
She does seem to be the most fiscally responsible governor that we have had in a while.
@@jamessveinsson6006 they cant name 1 policy that shes passed its pretty funny. Just complainers and bigots
Also very high Property Taxes
As part of my retirement plans and also owing to the very shaky housing market now, I just sold a property in Philly and I'm thinking to put the cash in stocks, I know everyone is saying its ripe enough, but Is this a good time to buy stocks? How long until a full recovery? How are other people in the same market raking in over $200k gains in months, I'm really just confused at this point.
Yes, a good number of folks are raking in huge 6 figure gains in this downtrend, but such strategies are mostly successfully executed by folks with in depth market knowledge, And it also all depends on how long you're willing to hold for, stocks might likely tank further, but making serious gains in this downtrend wouldn't be a problem if you're a pro.
Reason I decided to work closely with a broker ever since the market got really tensed and the pressure became so much(I should be retiring in 17months) so I've had an brokerage-adviser guide me through the chaos, its been 9months and counting and I've made approx. 650K net from all of my holdings.
@@theresahv That's impressive, my portfolio have been tanking all year, tried learning new strategies to gain in the current market but all of that flew right over head, please would you mind suggesting the adviser you're using ?
I thoroughly recommend Julie Anne Hoover, an investment advisor who is subject to US SEC regulation. She has assisted me with my portfolio for many years. Look her up online; she's a well-known figure.
@@theresahv Thanks for sharing, I just looked her up on the web and I would say she really has an impressive background in investing. I will write her an e-mail shortly.
I had a Georgia native neighbor move into the middle west side of Michigan, but after a couple of years couldn't handle how cold it was and how short the summers were especially compared to where he was used to . He ended up moving into the mountain area of NC/GA and seems happy with that climate range. Upper great lakes have very very cloudy winters so you don't get much solar gain through windows like you do in cold but sunny areas and 60-70 days of straight day after day after day of cloudy weather from November into March gets old.
I'm from Chicago area and yes upstate Michigan is very cold
But on other side I couldn't believe how hot and humid is in Georgia and south in general, I could never live over there... I believe you guys somehow get used to it
Indianapolis and Columbus are not even that cold, that's why they are still growing
@@goxyeagle8446 You don't. But I'll take humidity over the depressing death look of winter every time. Winter is the worst thing in existence
@@baronvonjo1929 It's personal preference. In Chicago area winter is not that bad. I figured that by visiting upstate Michigan n winter time.
Also I will take depressive 3 months of Chicago winter over depressive 6 hot southern summer any time
@Goxy Eagle Summer isn't depressing like winter though, the days are long and everything's alive.
Nobody gets seasonal affective disorder (SAD) from summer time but tons of people get severe depression and vitamin D deficiency from northern winters.
I grew up in Florida and I think Chicago’s lakefront view looks like oceanfront. Add in the fact that the lake level won’t rise and the rooftop bar season may expand and I’m totally considering retiring there.
Visit Navy Pier some time. You don't have to pay for admission. You can just in and walk around enjoying the Pier.
@@hectorvega621Navy pier sucks ass. Literally just a strip mall and a Ferris Wheel. It’s free to go there because they’re counting on you buying stuff there. Tourist trap at best.
@@venomlink2033 There are two nature theatres in the park. Also the wheel is not the only ride but it is the more popular one for sure.
Retiring in Chicago? Lol.
I think one important thing to note about Texas and climate change is just how big it is. Parts of Texas face drought regularly, but personally I live in Houston. We have the opposite problem: too much water.
YES, HOUSTON IS IN A BOWL , SO IT FLOODS
Houston is probably the worst big city in North America to live in.
send some of that water to california?
@@jtex9412 you ever been here? Yes, Houston is terrible. Don't come here. Continue to tell your friends and neighbors. Thank you
@@brandonreyes2417 the cost would be to high for 5000 miles of people going thru everyone's back yard, desalinization is the answer, just like Israel is doing
Having been born and raised in Cleveland I have to say that the people from Ohio and the Midwest are some of the nicest around, moving to other parts of the country shows you things about your home state that you never realize until you leave!
From Cleveland and I totally agree. Other parts of the country are noticeably less friendly.
I like my people a little nasty because it’s real
@@RoCK3rAD 😂😂😂 just a lil bit
I'm immigrant in USA from south Europe and I can confirm what you say. Currently in Illinois and I traveled the whole country. Only New England area can compare with this region.
@@nick31427 Midwesterners are genuinely friendly and polite/concerned with your wellbeing. There is a friendliness in the South, but it's fake to your face, followed by mocking you and condemning you because of your surname, religion, lack of familiar accent and your education level.
Many seniors leave this area because hundreds of seniors die every winter while shoveling snow. Lake effect snow is usually wetter and heavier.
nice lie
From Michigan and here’s the reason I left and refuse to go back. It’s a combination of lack of job/career opportunities, cold depressing winters that last most the year, not as affordable as you might think once you factor in high auto insurance, heat and constant car maintenance from all the salt on the roads.
and cost of pot holes
@Scott C. If you think that 20% number is bad, come to San Antonio. I have had police officers tell me at least 50% of drivers in S.A. don't have insurance.
Constant car repair? No way car insurance is very resonable where you get your info?
Add very high property Taxes
A factor you failed to mention is politics. Both Michigan and Illinois have large, predominately liberal, urban centers that use their sheer numbers to dominate the rural areas.
I'd say it evens out. In theory IL and MI would take liberal migrants from around the country, while WI, IN, and OH would take conservatives.
In my experience work opportunities elsewhere, and weather make people leave the north central region. Anecdotally, I haven't met too many people who move for ideological/tax reasons, usually because it all evens out.
Why are people leaving Michigan? Simple... The politicians who are destroying the manufacturing sector and are now coming after agriculture under the disguise of protecting the water supply. Don't be fooled.
In a democracy, sheer numbers win. Just saying.
@@bigfoot14eee99 Thankfully we live in a constitutional Republic.
yea
I have lived in Michigan for 86 years and have been happy here. I believe in the future more people will move here mainly due the fresh water we have. I also believe the weather will warm up some and will become a more desirable place to live.
That if we can get rid of Gretchen Whitmer, everything would be hunky-dory
I believe most people think Gretchen Whitmer is doing a great job - I do. I don't see how not having her or someone like her would make things better.@@jamessveinsson6006
@@jamessveinsson6006I’m so sick of politics I want a 3rd and 4th candidate for president instead of World War Two veterans
no they wount move back
no they wount
Grew up in Iowa and was in military for 20 years. Lived in 8 states. Moved to Wisconsin 33 years ago. Love it here and this will be home for the rest of my life.
There’s an interesting Great Lakes counter example here: in the 10 years you looked at Ontario on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes grew by about 2 million people and now has more people than the Illinois
Its also like 5x the size so that nullifies that
Ontario is quite ly to be called the southside of Canada.
It's just crazy if you move north from Chicago business district with multi million dollar homes and billion dollar industries. You quickly reach building's and lots that only cost 10 or 20 Grand
First you may pass Gary then Milwaukee or Detroit after a few hours then on the other side of the Lakes homes again cost Millions around Greater Toronto.
@@_________. Ontario is way bigger, you are not wrong about that, but almost all of its population lives densely in the south of the province and the rest of the greater north of Ontario is very sparsely populated.
@@soulyv You can write something about Illinois. Illinois has a lot of land in its own way not as big as Ontatrio, but still a decent size. Big enough where it can take like six hours to drive or take a train from Chicago IL to Carbondale IL. And similar to what you wrote about Ontario most of the population lives in the Chicago area as well.
@@_________. The region of Southern Ontario is smaller by area but larger by population than Illinois
I grew up in milwaukee wisconsin A couple blocks from lake Michigan We have a beautiful State
Would have expected a mention of the Erie Canal and how it help drive growth in the mid-west, and helped NY get big
I got a donkey and her name is Sal,
Fifteen miles on the Erie Canal,
Low bridge, everybody down!
Fifteen miles on the Erie Canal! 🎶
Exactly. Syracuse was called the salt city. Syracuse used to be one of the largest suppliers of salt in the country. Salt back then was used to cure food, no cure, you die. Basically new York in many areas used to stabilize the entire country. Now the taxes are too high, the laws are unjust and penalize good people, the politics are just wrong in almost every way, that's why so many leave and have left. Taxes drove out almost every main business to ever exist in upstate, it's cheaper anywhere to operate business. No business , no jobs, no taxpayers, no more people. Simple
Yes. I was thinking the same exact thing, Geoff might want to expand on his knowledge of history a little more, The Erie canal was huge in developing the Great Lakes states (before railroads took over).
I first wish to thank you for you channel/content. I enjoy it thoroughly.
Second, I'd like to add my personal take on why I shall not be moving out of MI. The primary reason why I will remain in MI for the rest of my life(born and raised in Okinawa, Japan, moved here by my father in my early teens in the metro Detroit area), is because of the abundance of fresh water/favorable climate and geography for animal husbandry/mobile butchering business I am in the process of manifesting, as well as practicing and expanding my hobby for woodworking in the realm of livestock housing and home furniture. We all need potable water, food, and shelter to survive and thrive. If/when I can establish my own personal requirements for these skills/services first within my own property/home, I can slowly scale it up to accommodate customers within my own local community, and perhaps even beyond through workshops/tutoring/skill sharing, it will not only help me and my future family but those within MI and the surrounding Great Lakes region. Adding the extensive waterways we can navigate to help facilitate trade beyond my state, I can obtain goods that are more difficult to come by as well. I've always loved sea food, and the great Mississippi River is my gateway to trading for such commodities. Find a need, fill a need. Best of luck to all who read this.
I was born in California and moved back to Michigan when I was about 16 (my family is from here). After being in a place so hot and dry for so long you never take the cold and water for granted. Snow is amazing. Rain is incredible. Being able to leave the house without sunglasses and spend the whole day outside without getting burned to a crisp - or just being able to leave my house without feeling like I'm walking into a physical wall of heat. Michiganders just don't know how good they have it. I'll take the grey skies and 6 months of winter, no problem.
Lived most of my life in Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. I think of MN, PA and NY as Great Lake states too.
The Ohio and Mississippi River regions are not part of the Great Lakes region. Ontario and Northwestern Pennsylvania and Western New York should be included.
They are, just look at the map. He is redefining the term to suit his purposes. Does not work for me. When I see huge mistakes like that, I tend to disregard the rest of what is being said.
PA and NY are considered Northeast/Mid-Atlantic states, and as long as Buffalo and Pittsburgh share their respective states with NYC and Philly, that's not changing.
Minnesota is listed as a Northern Plains state. Nothing weird there.
@@Empr4evr Pittsburgh is in the Ohio River region. Erie PA is in the Great Lakes region. My complaint is that this video mostly discussed the Great Lakes region but used a thumbnail showing Great Lakes states.
@@FameyFamous With that arbitrary and ignorant reasoning, then Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio can't be part of the Great Lakes region because half of their areas are closer to these rivers than a Great Lake.
Chicago Area is COLD and then Hot and Humid.
And the taxes are high and getting the car tested for pollution and it's anxiety SUCKS.
I live in Bolingbrook and hate it lol
I currently live in Wisconsin and the only reason why I want to live out of the state is due to the USA has a whole and not the state. Wisconsin is a very nice state to live in and it has lots of good people
Lol 😂
Very good people. I'm an immigrant in this country and I can confirm this
I don't understand what's about "southern hospitality" myth. I could never live down south
This video confirmed my suspicion regarding the weather getting milder. I live in Wisconsin along the lake shore. I’ve lived here my whole life. I’m 51. Back in college I wanted nothing more than to move to somewhere warmer. I continued to hold that belief up until only, maybe five years ago. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this area has gotten much warmer than it was when I was a kid. I love the summers here, and I’ve always been a very outdoorsy person which is mainly why I wanted to leave. Besides the fact that I’m getting a bit too old to want to move anymore - despite finally being able to if I wanted to - it’s been getting so warm here that I’m able to enjoy my outdoor time for most of the year. We are currently at 1° outside, lol, but I was still wilderness camping up north in October, and comfortably hiking local trails through December. It’s crazy!
The depressing, long, and cold winters are certainly a strong factor.
Weather doesn't have feelings though only humans do.
As measured since the 1850s at New York's Battery, sea levels are rising only approximately 2.85 mm per year. I hardly think that will be a deciding factor to get people to move back to the Midwest. Edit: I originally posted 0.1 mms/year. That's the variability of the data, not the actual sea level rise per year. I have now corrected the actual sea level rise per year to be 2.85 mm per year. My apologies for posting the original inaccurate number.
That’s a lot! 10 years becomes a centimeter, u would be surprised how much devastation that can be honestly
@@Max-bi8fn 100 years
@@UserName-ts3sp I kind of ignored your rate because i know from NOAA it is more, sea level along the U.S. coastline is projected to rise, on average, 10 - 12 inches in the next 30 years
@@Max-bi8fn based off the dude’s numbers it’s 1mm every 10 years. 10mm = 1cm
@@UserName-ts3sp he is wrong unless we can find their source
My family is from NYC, but we lived three years in the western suburbs of Chicago (1967-69) and we loved it. I also went to college in Illinois and it was great.
Living in western New York, it would have been really nice to have been included since a lot of what you said about the region is true here as well but I get if you couldn't because including New York City that is nowhere near the Great Lakes throws the population numbers off.
I was born in Chicago in 1970. Lived there until April 2015. The biggest reason I left was taxes and politics. I loved going downtown, till I didn't. I lived in small farming communities, vacationed in Wisconsin, and had a good life. The government keep making it harder and harder to be happy. It's hard to even go back to visit Illinois. I don't want to spend any money there. Wisconsin I'll visit in a heart beat.
And yet without tax revenue generated from Chicago none of those other places would exist
Same here. 1972 DuPage County and moved out of Illinois in 2019 due to politics and taxes.
The great memories of vacationing in Wisconsin. I could easily move there from here in Illinois Thinking of staying right here in the midwest when retiring. Hate the cold weather but my hot flashes hate the hot weather too!
Chicago in the 90's was my favorite place to play. I travelled there often for work and really got to know it well for an outsider, especially hanging with a Chicago salesman who grew up being a downtown courier. Wacker drive was a trip by the pier. The pacific club out in downer's grove, the whole downtown, especially uno's. I never even heard of any crime incidents, let alone witness one. Walked and cabbed around with impunity. Today, there is no effing way I will go anywhere near there, and I would really like to see Shedd one more time.
@@jjrusy7438 Crime is a fraction of what it was in the 90's
The hysteria over carjackings today wouldn't even be on the news in the 90's , murders were double or triple what they are today , peak murders for the city was roughly a thousand in 95
Michigander here. People aren’t leaving. They’re dying. 5 years ago the Great Lake Lord Ugobogolundus emerged and started demanding Faygo pop as tribute. Naturally we refused to either give him our delicious regional beverages or begin calling it “soda”. Stupid name for pop. This enraged the creature and ever since he has been blasting his mix tapes over the airwaves and plugging his SoundCloud.
The US government should focus on bringing back steel and manufacturing to the rust belt area as it becomes a national security issue where certain products need to be made in house
Won't happen, the current EPA regulations won't allow it to happen.
Won’t come back to the mid-west.
The Caucasian and African American Midwest working class is no longer functional thanks to heroin and obesity.
Unfortunately, the politics of the Midwest are consistently anti-immigration and thus unable to take advantage of the laborers that come from migration across the border from Mexico.
All the states that are growing have abundant lower cost labor populations from Mexico/South America.
Yup! If we got into a war with China and we're buying their steal for our aircraft carriers, tanks and fighter jets, doesn't our government see a problem with that? Even if it costs more, steal is important for our national security. We need to be self reliant in steal.
From MI, moved to NC. In my experience, the north has nicer people and many New York and New Jersey people are moving to NC and you can see the difference. Originally from Mi, moved to NC for 4 yrs and I’m happy to be back in MI.
Your channel content is solid gold. Always timely, listenable and thoughtfully created.
I think you missed another driving factor for folks leaving the area since 2020 as I am one of them: politics. The way cities and the state is run, government, whatever you want to call it.
I spent my childhood in WI, my teens in AZ, college in WI, back to AZ for 2 years, back to WI for 3.5 years, then got sick of the Milwaukee winters and moved back to AZ and been here the last 7 years. Now with all the water talk, I'm considering moving back, but that climate is not fun.
I live a mile south of The Great Lake Ontario! Yeah winters can get bad, but no one loses their house from a snowstorm! Lots of fresh water too! Proud to be a Great Laker!
Bone chilling Winters + Economically Depressed has to be a lethal cocktail.
I grew up in Cleveland, lived for some years in South Florida, and spent most of my adult life in California.
When my wife passed away, I retired, and it was time to relocate for a lower cost of living, I moved back to Cleveland.
I don't need the pestilential heat and humidity in Florida. A few months of it up here per year is plenty. And yes, climate change was a factor. Between the threat of hurricanes and the lack of available homeowner's insurance, I don't want to be stuck with an unsellable Florida property.
Snow and cold is a drawback, yes, but staying indoors isn't the worst thing a retiree can do.
In four years I haven't regretted my move for a minute. With age comes wisdom.
Grew up in Milwaukee. Left for the Marine Corps in 1977 and didn't return even to visit until 2005. I live in AZ. I now visit Door County every year for several months in the summer. It is absolutely beautiful and the people are very friendly. Life is much more enjoyable without the hustle and bustle of the city. I fish all summer long and even hunt there in the fall...it's absolutely excellent. I would move there in a second if it wasn't for the weather. 7 Months of cold, gray skies and having to basically hibernate inside for that long drives me crazy. There is a big difference between being hot versus being cold.....cold hurts.
I just moved to Wisconsin from Virginia. Trust me its way better than most people think.
and you have a fish fry to go to if you want.
With me it was vice versa...i moved up to Chicago 20 years ago from the south and will never turn back.
Now days it's the weather, no major companies would even consider it as it has been brain drained to the sun belt. Mostly talking about the northern areas, the south midwest is rather mild.
I have recently moved back to Michigan from the PNW. Droughts and smoke/fire season are just getting worse. Ive had a whole summer of smoke at a heavy fog density. I can live coastal Michigan for cheaper and the UP is still rather inexpensive and a gem. When people finally discover how cool Marquette MI is... Itll be the next Seattle/Portland I beleive.
I am still young and im looking at 2040 to be quite insanse in MI
@Garret V Why would you want Marquette Michigan to be like Seattle and Portland? Have you seen those two shitholes lately?
I can't believe you told everyone about Marquette!
There are two reasons, government and winter. Most of the issues are in Chicago which has by far the largest population and the most people leaving. Wisconsin is actually growing slightly. With Green Bay growing way up north.
The government causing the problem is the federal government. The blue states send their money in and watch the R's send it to their red states while the big cities have lost their industry, their tax base, their housing. Help for the inner cities is not on their agenda and never will be.
Gov Whitmer is a big reason people are leaving Michigan
You are correct. I agree. Gov Whitmer is a big reason why people are leaving Michigan.
yea
BS that maga stupid
I’ve lived in the same Michigan city for all of my 40 years, with no intention of leaving. Just going up north to see sights is a good enough vacation. Michigan is the hidden gem of the country, and others just don’t know it. I’ve heard from so many people that want to leave, or stories about they hate it here, and I just…don’t get it. I hate winter, and the grayness of it here, but I can’t imagine being anywhere else.
I agree
I believe the major reason people are leaving Illinois is because it's a tax hell. Illinois has the highest percentage of people who want to get out.
NY isn’t mentioned but upstate def had a lot of shared history with this, which is partly evident in the accent being pretty similar across the great lakes, with just more or less canadian accent influence depending on where you are
I am not one hundred percent in agreement with this video. It wasn't the move of industry to Asia that started the decline of population in the Great Lake states. It was that the factories and infrastructure was getting old and in disrepair that prompted the executives of the industry to relocate. The fact that winters were so harsh had the executives looking south for places to relocate to. Texas and Atlanta, Georgia became the destination for most of that business. Most of these decisions were affected by how the governments of the two different areas were accommodating to or lacked the will to work with the industry. So Texas cities grew as midwest cities shrank. The same thing happened with Atlanta. As Atlanta grew and Chicago shrank, O'Hara Airport lost its status as the world's busiest airport to Atlanta's Airport. Now that we see Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin gaining population while Illinois and Michigan are still losing population can be attributed to one important factor, that is the political parties that are in power in those states. The democratic party rule in Illinois and Chicago has created problems with crime in that formerly great city. Indianapolis, on the other hand, grew throughout the years that the rest of the Midwest was in decline.
O"Hare is still a very busy airport. While the Chicago area has its issues some people continue to move to the area. Indianapolis seems ok, but I don't fully agree with your take on Indianapolis and Chicago. Speaking of Wisconsin Milwaukee also has been seeing a growing reputation for crime unfortunately. My guess if you'd blame the local democrats for that one as well. Far as I'm concerned Chicago is still a great city with lots to offer like Ukrainian village along with other Eastern European communities. A bunch of different neighborhoods to visit and hangout in like Lincoln Square and Andersonville. But yea crime is an issue in Chicago as well.
i think politics are a part of it but not entirely. most of michigan and illinois’s population were centered in old industrial cities. columbus, indianapolis and most of wisconsin weren’t hit as much. so those cities have grown while most of the other cities haven’t
I lived that! You are exactly correct. The industry of the Midwest went south to Texas and Atlanta first before the US started iosing manufacturing plants to Asia. I grew up in a small thriving town in Southwestern and Michigan. The two had three big industrial employers with a neighboring small town five miles away that had two more large industrial employers. After I graduated high school in 1971, I went to Indianapolis to further my education, I was hoping to return to Michigan after school to live and work. However, the lack of jobs as companies moved out of the area negated that plan. I remained in Indianapolis throughout my career, but every time I was in the job market, headhunters were trying to get me to go to Texas or Atlanta. I managed to stay in Indianapolis because it had the right political party running the government, which was pro business and manufacturing. My parents also left our town and moved to Ohio, where they were closer to extended family and in an area with more employment opportunities, but it wasn't as good as Indianapolis, so I remained there. As for the climate, I find that the south is two hot almost all year, but in the Midwest, the winters are getting milder than they once were. Summers have been more comfortable than in the past also. The great lakes have an effect on the weather that makes it cooler in the summer, warmer in the winter in Michigan and near the shoreline in the other states. The real only drawback is that the lake effects, where wind blowing across the lakes picks up moisture and dumps when it reaches the land. So whatever the direction of the wind is from the land along that shore gets a heavy snowfall for about 75 to 100 miles from the lake.
As a Texan living in Wisconsin for the past 6 years, I’m finally moving back down to my home state. A couple of reasons.
1. There is a severe lack of any culture in this state. I’m talking traditions, food, music, etc. People eat cannibal sandwiches during Christmas for fucks sake. This is their culture.
2. I feel the taxes are very high in relation to what you get.
3. Last and definitely the biggest reason. WINTER. Life is honestly not terrible here during the summer and even during fall, but the winters are extremely long and depressing. I finally understand why so many people from the Midwest end up retiring in places like Florida and Arizona.
Good riddance.
U didn’t live in Wisconsin if u say there is a lack of culture here. There are literally more cultural festivals in this state than any other state. Wisconsin has a ton of history in America relative to its age; Milwaukee is also ranked in the top 30 most diverse cities in the US if you mean that culturally.
@@Max-bi8fn I lived in beaver dam for a year, mayville and horicon for an additional 2 years and I’ve been in madison for the last 2. Trust me, Wisconsin is lacking tons of culture. The only “culture” here is micro breweries, cheese curds for days for no reason, and cannibal sandwiches which is fucking disgusting. Yeah there’s tiny pockets of culture in Milwaukee and even here in madison, but the VAST majority of the state has zero culture.
@@colscott5016 LOL the vast majority of Texas is even worse; go ahead and tell me anything on I-20 or I-35 has culture. Again you dont truly live in Wisconsin, you have a house here.
@@colscott5016 what are examples of culture?
I moved to Texas last year from Illinois. The summer heat is definitely a pain, but the thing that concerns me the most is just how many people are moving here with me. Every open space is being dug up and developed into a subdivision or strip mall. I personally wonder if I'll be able to afford living here 10-15 years from now.
i was born and raised in mid-michigan in the 1970s...it was a very decent place, with very decent people, but even then it was already starting to be clear that michigan's day was past. lol, it was a great place to be-from though!
Your a traitor
DONT WORRY, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, MORE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT MICHIGAN, FLORIDA NOW IS FLOODING ON A REGULAR BASIS, EVERYONE MUST NOW HAVE FLOOD INSURANE AT HIGH COST, SO IT DRIES THE POOR PEOPLE OUT, ALL THE HOUS INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE LEAVING, LIKE FAST
In 1860, my ancestor, Marion Loyd, left Illinois and settled near Dallas, TX. Out migration is not a new concept.
go where you're treated best. 😎
People are moving OUT of Illinois and over the border to Wisconsin. The whole Lake Michigan SW coast there is just one continuation of Chicago, but the TAXES are way less in Wisconsin.
The cost of living here in Columbus, Ohio is completely out of control. All new neighborhoods being built are starting in $400k range. New apartments are starting at around $1100 to $1200/mo. Building a house is just as bad. I have no clue how the younger generations are going to afford a house. I mean, yes there are cheaper neighborhoods but you get what you pay for. Unless these young kids get married at 21 and save one entire income for about 8 years. But then again, they'll have to rent which is expensive or live with their parents.
I’m a Michigander who just moved to Oregon in July. I moved for school and i’m sure i’ll be back home in a few years but yeah, cool to see a video about my region.
I left michigan a few years ago, and have been dying to make it back. Not sure if that means anything, in the scope of things but.. wanted to share :)
In Michigan GM closing factories and moving them to other countries is the main reason people are leaving the state. Saginaw Flint and Detroit were ruined during the 90’s.
AZ has 4 years of water if we didn't get another drop. Also we are heading into an El Nino weather cycle which will bring increased precipitation. Plus our economic policies are positive for the individual.
Here in Arizona, most of my neighbors are from the Great Lakes or New England regions. They came for the sun and strong economy but some are starting to look at moving as water shortages are starting to get painful.
@MrArtist7777
@MrArtist7777 Some people just thirst for change.
They came from areas where water is taken for granted. They think everywhere has water. Guess what.
Lifelong Chicagoan. I lived in Arizona for a year, and can’t wait to move back west whether that means Arizona or another state. Absolutely hate Chicago weather, and nothing to offer if you’re an outdoorsman who enjoys terrain other than swamps and flat muddy meadows.
I'm happily moving back to Michigan from Florida. That state is going downhill fast. Our insurance rates alone for our home in south Florida is going up from $7000 a year to $11000 due to hurricane impacts. Michigan also has way more jobs. Too many people in Florida means way more competition for jobs too.
I’m surprised that the tax rate wasn’t brought up for a reason that people are leaving Illinois. Anecdotally, all of the people that I know who have left Illinois have done so for economic reasons. Housing and property taxes in the Chicagoland area are insanely high. And the middle class who pays those high taxes, gets very few benefits from them.
@Lastluke Property taxes go mostly for schools and that is why the wealthy Chicago suburban cities are considered to have some of the best public schools in the nation.
The taxes are high, but the wages are also high. Not to mention increasing home values.
I am a 5th generation Oregonian.2 yrs ago I moved to Pittsburgh. I got a great job with the pile drivers union .Houses are cheep water trash and everything else is cheaper here.My daughter will have a better life and I will own instead of rent
I have never heard of anyone moving because the climate is changing. But, high taxes, job loss, and family are the top three reasons.
I mostly agree but not totally. Small numbers of people are factoring it in, and more will do so in coming years. I agree that taxes and jobs and family are driving, immediate forces and will be for some time to come. Wait until the Colorado River truly dries up one summer and you get four Hurricane Ians in one season in Florida. The seesaw will eventually tilt back up that way more.
I have heard of it happening. Seen news segments where people along the Lousiana coast were considering it. To them they the water getting closer and closer to where they lived, where there parents and grandparents lived. It was like one house down south in the state even pass New Orleans. Some of the people in Barrow Alaska feel like the climate is changing at a rapid paste for them. Certain signs like a certain bird that normally return at a certain month isn't doing so as often. The man in the video talked about how they feel like they have to adapt that what they were taught as kids doesn't apply anymore and they believe climate change is part of it. Granted they're not moving from Barrow they plan to stay at the time of the recording.
Buy forest land in MIchigan's Upper Peninsula, near a river or on one of the Great Lakes, and salt it away for your descendants.
I'm from south west Michigan. The winters are depressing, the summers are hot and humid. Add that to a declining economy, insularism, lack of diverse culture or anything stimulating other than alcoholism. Three months out of the year it's not a bad place to live though.
Ontario is the same other than the fact we have a diverse culture.
diverse culture is a racket
That is so far from my experience of Southwest MI. Lots of Diveristy and amenties in Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo. not as much in Berrien County, but it's more diverse than you seem to think. Within a hr drive there are several major concerts and theater venues. Excellent resturuants, for every cuisine type. And yes, Alcohol is a big thing but i wouldn't necessarily equate the high number of breweries and wineries with alcoholism.
Yes winters can be cold and snowy. And summer is humid. But you can still enjoy the outdoors. I'd say we have 7 good months.
@@brandonkovnat2259 I live in Brampton and it seems like it is still winter ,3 celsius with moderate rain with chilly wind, image it is in May
How about you quit crying and move to somewhere that isn't so shitty?
I firmly believe this area will see a resurgence. With a waming climate, our winters have gotten much milder on average. We will also have plenty of fresh water.
Grew up in Western Michigan and moved when I was 15-16 down to Central Texas and haven't moved since. Me and my mom wanted a new fresh start some place with better opportunities. As much as I love things about Michigan a lot of things made us want to move. Snow was the biggest one, yeah its nice at first. But gets annoying then having it cloudy a lot just makes it feel depressing. Job types also kind of lacked. Mainly either medical or factory jobs. Yeah the summers can get hot down here in Texas but I'll take it over snow any day. I don't mind visiting from time to time back to Michigan during the summers. But I would never move back.
@Scott C. Perch on. Pour wages in midwest, lack of good jobs. And yeah can we talk about the 10 months of winter up here and then construction...
@Scott C. LOL
@@jamesguralski5156 LOL 10 months of winter
@@ericsneary5430 True some years.
My GF moved from Florida to Indiana. For cold weather and better job opportunities.
All those booming southern states are going to implode. Orlando, LA, and Austin are all unlivable in terms of affordability, let alone the weather. The Midwest will just continue to get cheaper and more attractive as bodies pile elsewhere.
It's May 1st and 45 degrees in NE Ohio. Also Youngstown's local news legend Stan Boney sang "Hang in There, Youngstown" 40 years ago. How long do they expect people to hang on? I'm headed south.
It was 99 degrees yesterday (Nevada). I guess no place is perfect
cleveland has like 5 suburbs bigger than youngstown
I was born in MI and moved to N Carolina when I was 30. I have been in Charlotte ever since (27 yrs). It was the best thing I’ve ever done. Going home to the Lansing area makes me want to cry bc it’s so bad. I will say though the one thing I miss is Lake Michigan. My parents always had a place in a campground near the lake when I was a kid. I spent every weekend in the summer on the beach at lake MI or out on my dads boat. It was amazing. I pray I get to go back to the beach I grew up on one more time before I die. It makes me cry just to think about it.
I had similar experience. I moved east to Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Better economy in the east. Much better food in the east. Housing, well you get what you pay for. East had lower tax values on our home. East had better schools. Better paying jobs. Can't find good Dr in midwest or get timely apt. Things have fallen and keep falling apart in the midwest.
How is Lansing bad? Just out of curiosity.
@@thedirtybubble9613 well when I went back with my daughter she started to cry and I said what’s wrong & she said why didn’t you ever tell me I grew up in the ghetto. It wasn’t like that when we left. I mean everything is closed. So much crime. So much homelessness. You stop your car you get approached. I left in 96 & a stranger had already climbed in my back seat at a store with my daughter inside & demanded I drive him out of town. He started singing saying he had sung me a song so I must drive him. He got out with a lot of me yelling at him. I was at a convenience store another time & a man as I was getting in my car approached and put himself between me and my car an d started telling me he was going to chop me up into pieces. We went back about 5 yrs ago for a wedding & stayed in the fanciest hotel the city had. When we pulled up at two am after traveling so far a man approached our rental car and a security guard yelled at us to stay in the car & lock the doors. He later told us that man shows up every night & says he has a gun & points it at me but it’s always a shoe. He said tonight it was a gun. I think if we stayed we would have never had the life we have today. My daughter & her husband opened the first cbd store in NC & live in a million dollar home at the lake with a boat docked all year long. My husband & I who grew up in a trailer park came down here and he started his own company & it was very successful and we have a very nice home. Without college educations we have all done well for ourselves. The weather is amazing. The ppl are so happy & nice and willing to help with anything you need. Been in my house 22 yrs without a lick of trouble. Oh on New Year’s Eve my nephew was at a convenience store in Lansing and was checking out when something hit him behind his ear. He went to the er. It was a shooting and the shrapnel lodged behind his ear. So yea I don’t like lansing. I also when I was 14 woke up to my mom needing to talk to me before school. My best friend since 2 was Julie. Well her mom was gorgeous & so much fun. She worked at Kmart. She left work & as she was sliding into her drivers side a man got in the passengers. A total stranger. He stabbed her 16 times. It was all over the news on tv. They never caught him. She survived. So my feelings are probably never going to change. I am going there in July. First time in years. I’m scared honestly but I stay with my parents who thank god live outside of lansing in a tiny safe town. There’s nothing to do there in Lansing anymore. It’s sad. When I was very little it was a great place to live.
@@tammydeland8791 I lived in Lansing from 1985 to 1990. I have many great memories. Just out of curiosity, what area of Lansing did you live in and what area did the bad things happen?
@@independ4416 I lived on a street called Lyons on the south side of Lansing. It was between Cedar and Pennsylvania. The bad things all happened right in that neighborhood.
As a Michigander, i think about this often. I love living in Mi. With the way climate change is going, i feel very lucky to live here. I get so thrown off when people say they hate Michigan and want to move away. For why? We've got decent cities, upnorth is beautiful and we've got mini oceans hugging our borders. & so far no wild fires or hurricanes.
Grand Rapids is still healthy. West Michigan and Northern Michigan are beautiful, too.
What the discussion around states loosing population ignore is that not all parts of a state are impacted equally by outward migration. I'm from the Chicago area myself. A lot of the outward migration from Illinois is happening outside of the Chicago area. While there's people leaving the Chicago area there's also more people coming to the Chicago area vs other areas of Illinois for multiple reasons including job opportunities and education. Last I checked Grand Rapids is also home to multiple educational institutions as well.
Just briefly mentioning a state loosing population is not enough information in itself if you really think about it. Sure it tells you that it's happening, but it's not a detailed comment to just write that without adding more detail like what areas are experiencing it more within the state and why.
36 years old. born and raised in florida. leaving in 3 weeks because it's too damn hot. too crowded. and fuck hurricanes. it's just not worth it anymore. im moving to tennessee. looking forward to experiencing all four seasons
The cost of living in Florida is not even relatively affordable. It's well above the national average.
Outdated stats , at least where i was from was extremely affordable prior to 2010 , big increases recently
Northeast Ohioan here. I wouldn’t trade my region for any other region in the country. Not moving anywhere, never will. We have the best of all worlds this country has to offer, in one state.
Amazing how the influence of unions on culture and government seem to be missing from the equation here.
Hot humid summers, mosquitoes, freezing long winters. I use to live in Minneapolis. Now in San Francisco. Beautiful cool weather and sunny warm days!!❤
Detroit, Chicago, Gary, what do these have in common. Huh, I wonder what went wrong?
9:11 I was part of the 2020 census in IL. A lot of would be students residents were not counted that year, as the census was delayed and did not take place until August/September. Many colleges were not back in session yet. In theory, students would still complete census according to where they lived most of the year (often on campus) but many did not.
Of course, this was an issue faced by all Midwestern states, not just IL. But I wonder if our “out of state” student population is higher than other Midwestern states, and if that affected our count.
It might be worth mentioning Western and Upstate NY as well and the people leaving that place. But I think that is more about political policies impacting the state over geography. I moved away from there for a job in DC, but honestly I am ready to move back to a rust belt type city and Columbus has my eye, or Cleveland.
I have a degree in Geography from UNC-Greensboro, class if 1994. In one of my Geography classes, one of the older Geographer Professors told our class that the highest SAT scores in the country came out of the states you are talking about. He claimed it is was because of the fact those states had extremely high concentrations of people of German, Swedish and Nordic ancestry. I dont know if that is still true today.
Born and raised here in Minnesota :)
Best thing about living in them cold northern states: the cold keeps the riffraff out!
In the 70’s the pollution from Gary Indiana often was noticeable in SW Michigan. Now the bad air is usually from Canadien fires.
I have lived in Minnesota all of my life. I have family here and, sentimentality being what it is, I couldn't leave. The winter's cold brings people together. Enjoy a bonfire sometime, roast a wiener, have a beer. The people are kind because they have been through winters together.
As a lifelong resident of Illinois, I can declare why everybody’s leaving Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin. I don’t know too much about Indiana, because Indiana is a very deep red state in Ohio is the red state to but I know it’s taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the cold.
As somebody who has spent 90% of my life in Michigan, Illinois & Minnesota, I can tell you why people are leaving. WINTER! Cold & bleak for 5+months a year is a bit much for a lot of folks, especially those that are over 50. Not to mention the not so friendly tax situation in most of these states for senior citizens. Oh and ILLINOIS is a complete $hit show, sadly enough people can't afford to leave the Land of Disfunction.
I'm amazed at how inexpensive land and housing is in upstate NY. If Canada and the US merged, that area would boom because a lot of people from Ontario would move there. I grew up in Southern Ontario and it is much like the U.S. great lakes states. People in other parts of Canada and the U.S. have no idea how nice the beaches are in the summer on the great lakes. The winters are long though... but flights to Mexico are cheap.
Yes people in Ottawa always talk about being an hour or so from the US border. House prices are less than half once you cross the border.
I would readily add Central/Western New York (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, etc.), Western Pennsylvania (inc. both Pittsburgh and Erie), and parts of Missouri (especially St. Louis) to this whole Great Lakes States discussion.
Yes PA and Western NY are more similar to the Midwest than the Norther east.
The rate of rise of the sea is what it was 100 years ago. what is he going on about?
Sea level rise has not changed in terms of rate in hundreds of years... CO2 is the source of all life on the planet, Climate Change as it is defined is a hoax. Daily high temps have been falling for over 80 years. 30 years of pushing the lie have made people believe it...
supposedly it's some new fangled idea.Something that was called "global warming" now changed to "climate change" but before that in the 70s everyone was considering painting roofs black due to global cooling and a new ice age coming . They can't seem to make up their minds from polar vortexes to atmospheric rivers . Good thing there's still that thing called weather that changes daily, monthly, seasonally etc to balance stuff out like it always has since the planet started spinning somewhere between a few thousand years ago and a few billion. .
Oh, right the sea level rise story has only been in the news for several years now so maybe that isn't long enough for you to catch on. I have been following this issue of sea level rise for over a decade. The warming of the atmosphere because of increased atmospheric CO2 and to a lesser degree methane. CO2 has been increasing since the beginning of the industrial era over 150 years ago. During that time it has increased 50% from 280ppm to 420 ppm now.
Increased atmospheric CO2 leads to more heat retained in the atmosphere and thus a warming average temperature globally. This leads to seas warming up which causes them to expand and that is the main reason for sea level rise. The other reason for sea level rise is due to the melting glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland. The warming climate also results in more extreme weather in the form of floods, heat waves, drought, hurricanes and so on. Everything I have stated is well documented which you can verify online.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 The IPCC say there isn't evidence for increased storms. The rate of the rise of the seas is what it was a century ago according to the research. Greenland had its coldest winter on record last year, and the deep water in the North Atlantic has been getting colder.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 You missed the entire point, which somehow does not surprise me. Sea level has been rising for 20,000 years. In the last 150 years the RATE has not changed. If AGW were happening to any significant amount the rate of rise would be increasing in that window of time, but it is not.
The midwest has definitly struggled to adapt to the loss of so much manufacturing to overseas and the poor management of food related treaties with asia.
I was born in Chicago and grew up in the northwest suburbs. I lived in Jacksonville, Florida for 2 years and I gotta say...while many Illinoisans complain about our winters, taxes, and politics, there's still no place like home. When I was 18 (now I'm 28), I realized most people from Chicago and the great lakes area have a slight accent when they speak, something I didn't realize until I lived in Florida. Whenever I talked to a Chicagoan while I lived down there, I got very homesick. Of course, I missed our signature Chicago foods when living in Florida, which I took for granted as a kid. Jacksonville and all over Florida has great fish, shrimp, and other seafood as well as hushpuppies!! I'm glad I moved back and wouldn't want it any other way!! Side note: I love the beaches in Florida, but I got back into snow skiing last winter season in Wilmot, Wisconsin (first time in 15 years) and I also skiied in Breckenridge, Colorado last April which was awesome!! THAT is something you CANNOT do in Florida!!
I have lived in Canada (Alberta), Pittsburgh, Houston, Baton Rouge, Burlington, NC, St Paul, and now live in rhe burbs near Indianapolis. I have pretty much visited every major Midwest city. I would say that Cincinnati, Minneapolis and Indianapolis are the least steriotypic in the area. They do not have a 'rust belt' feel to them. They feel like places that have a future. Indianapolis suffers in that the rest of Indiana is too conservative, not an issue in Minneapolis, but I feel the cities themselves are more progressive than a video like this suggests.
Taxes drive a lot of people away, and the cold winters, especially for seniors.
California prices are killing me. Midwest is a likely spot for me to move to.
Unfortunately most of the Midwest has been cut down for farmland. It’s constantly windy, lots of factories that will work you 50hrs+ a week. And now it’s turning liberal.
Leaving illinois soon myself. Chicagoland has a lot of infrastructure but crime is getting worse, and the cost of living is getting out of hand. The "starter houses" in my area (small 2 bedroom ugly houses) are $500,000+
Most of my friends are moving to western states where you can stretch a dollar farther and take the bus without having to deal with crackheads sleeping on the seat next to them. Sad, I like it here but it's not worth the cost
I live in a small town near Columbus, OH. I was born in a small town, I live in a small town, and I'll probably die in this small town (because its good enough for me).
What town? Chillicothe?
@@Worldaffairslover Marysville
@@michaelfried3123 yikes☠️ only thing there is the Honda plant
@@Worldaffairslover Union county is the 2nd wealthiest county per capita in the state of Ohio. And we have a top 20 high school in the state. Also, Scott's (Miracle Grow) global headquarters and manufacturing plant. Look up the stats, this is one of the fastest growing areas in all of Ohio currently.
@@michaelfried3123 it is for an entire family. But Delaware (my county) is the wealthiest by far, 21st wealthiest county in the country. Best schools in the state☠️
i worked in the automotive industry for about 10 years in the '00s and visited this region a lot. chitty weather for large portions of the year and too far from the ocean. many from the mid-west, north-east and more recently, california, are moving to my state, NC. NC is now the 9th most populated state.