The Business Of Amazon Shipping Boxes
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Cardboard boxes are a really big deal in the U.S. Amazon alone shipped over 5 billion packages through Prime in 2017. But as Amazon moves to plastic mailers and paper mailers the corrugated box market is bracing for the fallout.
There are other players in the space but today the four big cardboard box manufacturers that dominate the market are International Paper, WestRock, Packaging Corporation of America and Georgia-Pacific.
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The Business Of Amazon Shipping Boxes
10 years later.. Amazon builds its own box.
20 years later Amazon becomes a monopoly in the 📦 market
Honestly surprising they haven’t yet
Cut the year numbers in half
Relio what industry WONT they monopolize..
@@whopperlover1772 i think that's because they don't want environmentalists poking their nose. But i do think they could be more efficient if they did.
In some cases they do build they're own boxes, as do many companies that have a vast array of products that require different sizes and different protection needs. One such company is WestRock who supplies the customer with the machine as well as corrugated material to be made into final box. It's a great system as it cuts down not only on packaging material and overall dimensions, but also on filler material needed to protect the product/order.
Can’t help but think about the Simpson episode when the school goes to the box factory
"Oh my god, that's his lucky red cap! He's a box! My boy's a box!!!"
I’m glad your the first comment I seen and what I was looking for!
Charlie Badge lmao I went to the PCA factory in Illinois as a field trip for my engineering class.
What about the episode when Bart and Lisa orders 1000s of free boxes and they built huge castle. Then get into corrugated war with UPS.
Yet Target recycles ALL packaging products from the stores to the warehouses for more eco-friendly process. And will reuse the warehouse shipping boxes over and over and over to the stores until its totally unuseable!
That's just a TV studio where they film Krusty the Clown *and other non-box related progamming*.
Since it has nothing to do with boxes, I'll just close this blind.
Dunder Mifflin should have pivoted to the box business instead of printers...
The People Person’s Paper People.
Ikr!
Dwight would be watching this video carefully!
Hope Dwight can overcome Staples.
But then their boxes would catch on fire probably.
The clue is in the name, destroy the AMAZON rain forest, replace with palm oil trees and aloe Vera plants home to the little Shellac bug, best source of Red pigment for food and lipsticks.
@@DIGITAL7Media hey that was sabre dont blame dunder mifflin
Howww did CNBC make a video about boxes so interesting?
Well one of the employees really *thought outside the box*
Is this reply from the future?
It doesn’t take much to entertain people.
The background music is the secret sauce
They've been on a roll for a while. Never thought I'd be following CNBC videos (yet here we are).
"America is the Saudi Arabia of trees" LOL
We're also the Saudi Arabia of wind power
We are the Saudi Arabia of debt
Venezuela is the Saudi Arabia of Oil
So that makes Canada what? We got more forest.
The Mecca of stuff. I wonder where Mecca is located?
Brazil is the Saudi Arabia of trees...with its own Amazon, LOL.
MyKingdomForanRV paper is not made from jungle trees
America is a continent, not a country, Brasil is part of america
@@adrianmorph HEY! If you don't like 'Merica, you can GIT OUT!
MAGA - Build The Wall
Not for long, if they keep destroying it.
@@joesterling4299 The analogy still stands as Saudi oil depletes. ;-)
Being a postal carrier, I swear half of the big boxes I deliver are filled only with air. Smh.
You know you're a huge company when you have a PhD serving as Director Of Customer Packaging Experience on the payroll.
That's nothing. New days with an PhD, if you're lucky, you can get work at McDonald's!
@@DenyLoneWolf RIP your English lmfao “an” and typos XD
@@flabbergasted5588 darn, that's true :))
This is what happens when you're not focused on what you are doing and, on top of that, you type in your third language :)) sry :/
“China certainly doesn’t have trees”
They do, but just like what he said about India, not the right type.
@tommy aronson Have you seen China? They do have trees, not as abundant as US and not the right type, but they do.
I’ve lived in China. Mountains are everywhere (in the rural area, not in the cities).
Rural China has a lot of trees lol
actually. China does have trees of the right types. but not enough for their own demands.
they are also neighbors with Russia, who have more trees than anyone would ever need.
Bamboo isnt a tree, it is a type of grass!
I did this for entrepreneurship class all I did was sell boxes for shipping company’s and restraunt take out boxes and got an F
Decay really? Sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
should have gotten an A+
You got an F? Well thats good because F stands for Fabulous!
Maybe because even you have a good idea, you business plan is flawed
Maybe cause of your grammar and spelling? 😉
I'm sitting here watching a documentary about cardboard boxes! My life is so great and fulfilling! Yay 2020!
I hope these packaging companies adapt and develop more to eco friendlier options for those plastic bags & bubble wraps.
Over population and nonsense purchases are the real problem
Lukas unfortunately, being a lesser of two evils still doesn’t make it a good kind of environmental waste.
The plastic allows for less fuel consumption compared to cardboard weight. During shipping
Plastic goes into burnable trash.
Ulatan, I agree. The plastic needs to be easily recycled, or easily decomposed.
I always save the packaging to re-use it for eBay. Boxes and bubble mailers. I just make sure to take the barcodes and address off.
It’s not free two day shipping. You have to pay for the prime membership which is $120.00 a year.
And if you actually use amazon, its 100% worth it.
Its free if you use other people Amazon account.
Elvis TheKing it’s very useful when you order a lot of stuff. If your just buying 1-2 items a month then i wouldn’t recommend it, but unlike me I buy 12-15 items a month.
I remember when I ordered a small 10” windshield wiper for the back of my car , it came in a box that was big enough to fit a sword or something 😂
I ordered a single 2 battery tab. Literally came in a 1foot by 1 foot box and I found it lodged in between the flaps
Whatever box the computer tells the packer they have to use. One can not downgrade to a smaller box. If the packers do then it may take longer to get your shipment.
Lesson learned is next time you order a windshield wiper, order a sword as well.
I swear that this is also the one thing I remember from all the packaging I ever received. The box for my wiper blade was OBSCENE!
It's because their system requires cubic scanning. It's really messed up. It tells the packer the wrong box size half of the time.
This is the longest ad for boxes I have ever watched.
That’s what CNBC does. They are the church for stock cults in shares that don’t pay dividends. When the company doesn’t pay dividends, they need to advertise their stock, that’s where CNBC comes in...
I think they should at least explore the incorporation of hemp and bamboo in box making.
Bamboo is used in cardboard already. Although the harvesting is a little harder than more traditional materials, it can yield more material per physical area for growth per year.
Hemp yes. Bamboo no. Bamboo boxes are not environmentally friendly because bamboo takes 20+ years to grow to maturity . Hemp on the otherhand, we could grow a forest of weed trees in 6 months which will turn over possibly trillions in revenue and it's easily renewable
@@brandonhamilton8871 Bamboo is the fastest growing plant on the planet dude. It grows one millimeter per hour and gets 20 feet tall in one season. Hemp is valuable for it's long fibers, for rope and cloth but cardboard is much harder to make with hemp.
@@brandonhamilton8871 Your wrong Bamboo takes 2-3 years to grow the initial patch then 3-4 months for regrowth after cutting. Bamboo takes less time to grow to maturity than timber which can take decades.
@@brandonhamilton8871 I didn't realize it took that long with bamboo. Hemp can be grown in as little as 4 months, at least when you are growing it for buds, not fiber. Maybe bamboo could be bred to grow faster like pot was.
I shop online a lot... I also sell things online. I always re-use the boxes!
Funny thing is how much shipping boxes alone cost.
congratulations, do you want a biscuit ?
@@sylvestregalli5113 Can I have a biscuit
@@sylvestregalli5113 she must be sore by now from patting herself on the back.
I worked at Amazon seven years ago for eight months and always wondered where they got they're shipping boxes.
Reminds me about the Spongebob episode where squidward watches tv and sees a documentary about boxes then switches Channels and sees a box fight where boxes fight lol
I was an intern at WestRock last summer! One of my roles was entering daily Amazon orders.
Been working for Westrock/meadwestvaco/ mead for 25 years!
We don’t need more plastic we need alternative eco friendly packaging.
Video didn't mention that recycling boxes has a substantial carbon footprint: transporting from homes to recycling centers to businesses that break them down to pulp and make them into paper (an energy-intensive process), to box manufacturers, to distributors to retailers. Still researching, but using plastic containers that can be reused 100's of times may be better for the environment (delivery people keep the plastic container and return it to Amazon). Amazon's fleet of 30 cargo jets for two-day shipping has a huge carbon footprint. The best thing for the environment is for people to get their butts off the couch and go to a store (efficiently) and purchase the item. Most stores receive their shipments by rail and/or truck which is most efficient with the least carbon footprint.
@@bigmuscles250lbs that's not true, ordering groceries online is 43% more efficient. as you said trucks are more efficient, thus having 1 truck drive to 100 houses is better than 100 cars driving to the store. the meal plan things are even better since they eliminate a lot of food waste and travel from farm > packaging facility > your house instead of farm > packaging facility > distribution facility > store > your house. but the 43% study was conducted by amazon so do with that what you will
Fr! Got a paper Amazon envelope the other day. It is possible. I wonder what kind of impact using those instead would create.
@@Penguiniel I'm not sure about that, the post office is still reusing plastic boxes from the 90s, and when they break they're melted down into a new box
@@haileywegman5659 they mentioned in the video that Amazon was moving towards waxed paper instead of plastic but the reporter kept acting like it was only the option of plastic or boxes moving forward. It was... Strange....
Lol after covid, I want to see 2020's actual numbers compared to the projected numbers @ 15:25
Please God, NO MORE PLASTIC "solutions"! UGH!
@@wakaisgood yeah sure
What do you think the phone your looking at is made of?
@@ageorgiev89 well said.👏
@@ageorgiev89 what a dumbfuck
@@Sky_god1 do you use your phone for 1 day then bin it?
Before I retired this year I worked in a supply warehouse where we stocked their boxes and it took up many aisles from floor to ceiling. We shipped out trailer loads every week.
I love the sound it make when a heavy cardboard a3 size slaps on to flexing conveyor rollers it makes a fantastic noise
Maybe in the future we will use some reusable boxes, ones that people return or are even picked up from homes at the next delivery and keep reusing the same ones over and over again.
I think you mean Homeless people.
Big basket does that in India
what do think cardboard is for?
@@SNORKYMEDIA : Urban farmers could use it.
talking about boxes and Instagramable moments... oh no.. just no
I work for post office. Amazon barely tapes their boxes. Many time content get lost. That one paper tape not holding heavy things.
@ Fun Time -- It could be that ONE of their suppliers of _THAT_ printed paper tape that is making tape with crummy adhesive... I say that because I usually have trouble ripping _that_ tape off the boxes by hand... then a couple of months ago, I bought a VERY lightweight seat cushion and someone at the post office had to use their red USPS tape to re-tape the box because Amazon's tape was falling off. (No lost anything, so I was good.)
You sir have taped your job together! Good Job
Companies don't care if their boxes are sealed correctly or not. They just want it on the truck and out of their building ASAP. I worked at a packaging company and was forced to work too fast to even close the boxes. They'd pop back open as soon as they were stacked onto the pallet, with wet tape still hanging everywhere. Nobody cared. It just had to get out the damn door.
@@Network126 : Interesting even though there are machines that tape boxes ( www.packagingtapeinc.com/box-taping-machine.html )
@@sunglassesgirl it’s a water based tape. if the warehouse personnel didn’t tape it good the tape will dry and come off. i usually just wet it with a water bottle to activate the glue and stick it on the box again.
I work at ups and those arrows are giving me ptsd
"Electronics and dinnerware will still require boxes."
Tell Amazon that. They just shipped me a 6TB hard drive in a plastic mailer. 😩👎
Did it still work?
The design of some carriers using semi-flexible plastic allows for some cushioning. With those mounted in a corrugated box. About equal to a foam block in the same box.
Gah!
I think Jeff B should be required to take back all shipping materials and reuse them.
Yes, it should.
In India, Flipkart has started the same last year. They are picking up the delivered product boxes/ plastic bags.
I appreciate the attempt made to protect environment.
In the Netherlands the biggest ecommerce company now ships big items in good boxes without boxes around then. They seal it with thin transparent plastic and then stick the shipping label on it.
I get anxiety when it says my package is delivered, but I can’t find it on my porch and it is in the mailbox
😂
Another important aspect of why just relying on consumers to recycle can't work is, in my area we now have a VERY short list of things we're allowed to recycle. My area doesn't have great recycling infrastructure so we shipped most of it overseas, which we can no longer do. We want to recycle more, but we can't. We get charged for incorrect things in recycling as well.
7:42 peep the open box lol
We don't need more plastic. Amazon needs to be more proactive in environmental issues. Need to develop better alternatives.
hard plastic?
@@pyrophobia133 they can make paper bags that do the same thing as the plastic bags
@@scottyhaines4226 my brand new HDTV will go in great protection being shipped in a paper bag. Sorry but cardboard is life
@@dontsubscribetothischannel8395 you dimbo. They're only putting things that fit and won't get damaged during shipping in bags. It's not like everything is going into a bag. They'd lose money on returns if they did that
Now it’s CNBC vs. Vox vs. Cheddar vs. AJ+ for UA-cam documentaries.
Its 4:47 am, and I’m watching a video on boxes. This reminds me of that commercial spongebob was watching where the guy goes “i didnt know what to get ya, so i got you this box”
amazon does not care about recycling just saving $$$. that is fine but let's not pretend otherwise.
Not mutually exclusive.
Ahhh Georgia Pacific, they also make my toilet paper
The best part about these boxes is that they're completely biodegradable, so no matter how many boxes Amazon ships, they'll still be non-harmful to our environment.I am currently making a video on this very issue. Great job CNBC.
true
Bigger boxes need more space though which makes the shipping more inefficient. Wastes fuel -> harmful to environment
@@Kastinuk you being alive is much more than a box
@@Kastinuk I would say they are much better efficiency wise as you can fit more in it?
Biodegradable boxes does not equal being non-harmful to the environment. If they ship enough boxes to warrant clear cutting huge quantities of trees, that'd be pretty harmful.
At one point, I had a mountain of Amazon shipping boxes. Tried using some to mail for items I sold online, but still too many. I wish they could deliver the item, wait a few minutes while I open it, remove the items, and take back the box!
They dont have space, cut the tape on both flapped sides to make it flag again and stuff it in the recycling bin
Or just burn it easier than throwing them out
BoneCollector yeah that’s not going to happen
I work in corrugate design and the ecological issue is not with what Amazon uses to ship but the entire model of eCommerce over brick and mortar. It's great that some less harmful packaging is in Amazon's financial interest (Don't be fooled by their greenwashing) but fundamentally their system is shockingly more damaging than the norms of commerce. I'm not saying eCommerce should be outlawed, there are numerous reasons why it is important to many consumers and I go to amazon for certain things but the vast majority of products people buy on Amazon could (and should) be purchased in store when possible. USPS, Fedex, amazon, and most products you purchase online are considered single-parcel shipment which really should be a last ditch effort as far as distribution is concerned. Single parcel forces distributors to use massive amounts of packaging to ship each item because it will be thrown and dropped at every step on its way to you. It also puts more trucks on the road, making more stops, burning tons and tons of fuel. All of this while giving you a damaged product more frequently than any store.
I also resent this video for insinuating that amazon invented ship testing. There has been standardized testing used for over 50 years and as long as there has been major trade there has been some form of shipment testing. For years amazon has tried to sell themselves as the heroes, solving the problems they created.
7:00 Dude's a packaging machine
No one:
CNBC: Who makes Amazon shipping boxes?
Never knew a vid about boxes could be so interesting
Yes, the paper industry is growing, Dunder Mifflin in back in business.
Hahaha UA-cam read in my mind. I was wondering that yesterday and today CNBC post this video.
im sorry is no one focusing on how amazon has 10 million unique products!?
Economy of scale... Great things for everyone
I don't see how that's surprising. I mean it's Amazon
That's just the number of products that are eligible for one day delivery, they have a lot more products in total
Thay have like 150 million products
@Navroze Panthaky stealing? What are they stealing?
What's really kinda interesting is this last summer I used all my Amazon boxes in my garden around my flower beds and such.... then a few months later where I put those boxes I got HUGE mushrooms!! It was a HUGE colony of morel mushrooms. Their boxes were contaminated with mushroom spores and my flower beds were a huge mess. Now all those boxes go in the recycling bin. What a waste!! I'd like to know why morel mushroom spores were all over them.
I worked at union camp in the late 90s. They had one multi million dollar special order German made Machine that ran almost constantly making boxes for 'milko'. They were basically boxes to transport containers of milk or orange juice. Another machine that was as old as wwii was primarily used to make boxes for white consolidated industries. Which owns several major manufacturers of refrigerators. It was constantly running to meet the demand of the super large heavy duty boxes. During the late 90s the demand was high and most corrugated board companies were closing their doors. A person with experience operating flexo presses that cut, print, and fold the boxes typically made more than $20 an hour. This was a time when a standard steel press operator or plastic mold operator might expect to make only around $10 an hour. I know a guy that has been with a corrugated packaging company since then and he is at top pay, almost $40 an hour. That's pretty good for someone who didn't even graduate high school and speaks to the demand of the industry for people operating the machines to make boxes. Swedish companies are recycling tires and plastic bags combined to make materials for building roads. Reinventing the wheel may not prove beneficial but redesigning the box could.
The problem with the air pillows is that Amazon uses them to fill empty space in the box - not actually cushion the contents from vibration or impact. The same thing with their craft-paper filler. With either option, Amazon places your items in the bottom of the box, then just fills the empty space. They do nothing to protect your purchases.
Randy She Sometimes they don't even fill the space.
So true, I wonder if they are told to do that or they are suppose to put the item in the middle.
It should be a program specifically for this issue such as “Buy Back” maybe 5c per pound? Or something of that topic , Amazon will benefit since is the same box and plastic .... anyway just a thought.
Won't ever happen to boxes while durable are most definitely not reusable. I work in the pharmaceutical logistical industry and we send out packages insides a temperature controlled shipper inside of a corrugated box one time use when it comes back to us its practically unrecognizable on the outside.
you call this guy stupid, but in china, thats exactly how ecommerce companies are doing
Recyclable cardboard in bulk is now worth as much as scrap steel.
This is a video I never knew I wanted to see but now that I see it I want it.
Great Video for my FYI. I am a project manager at Detroit Stoker Company and we supply Parts and Service to the Boiler Stokers in all those plants which produce the steam to make those boxes. Man how the world goes round!
Yeah that’s what was on my mind every time I saw a Amazon video. “Damn the box manufacturing industry is booming”
*Dunder Mufflin has entered the chat
Well done CNBC! Tertiary pckaging is so important during all supply chain process. Thanks!
Fascinating topic, great vid.
3:45 I'm glad they took the pic the way they are left at customers doorstep (Upside down)
was wondering if anyone else noticed that too lol
I frequently order from Amazon and I too asked myself this same question. the contents ALWAYS fit the box 100% perfectly + had plastic padding in it.
Coming from a business cost prospective using poly mailer bags/small bubble mailers inbulk has saved alot of money in comparison to buying bundles of boxes. Boxes are still used but at a rate of less then half of total orders on average helping the bottom line. In the end on most small items packaging costs is between 40 cents to 70 cents a package each including printing costs. Tape is much cheaper online inbulk then in any Walmart out there.
I'm glad the video mentioned the negative aspects of post-consumer flexible packaging. No matter how much lipstick you still have a pig. Most plastic packaging can be recycled but it isn't, that's the reality. As the video noted, over 90% of corrugated boxes are recycled. By the way, most new boxes already contain at least one third recycled paper. It's the only packaging material that keeps on giving.
i bought 5 amazon shares at 400$. now they are at like 1700$. thanks bezos for making my portfolio go up. i am tired of winning.
Actually, they closed at 1,988.30 today.
I wanna know how you guys know what to buy and how you earn money of it. I need to do my homework about all that
Orlando read "the intelligent investor" not just for it's content but it'll also build your patience.
I kick myself for not buying in 2008 when stocks tanked. I would of been a millionaire.
Amazon gave me a share when I got hired should I sell or hold onto it?
ups/fedex doesn't take care of your boxes when they deliver to your place..
1 time i have package inside my box inside is broken.. all things fall out..
On. Fire. Thank you for helping to boost us - means a lot. --Daddio
I’m a Ups Driver and from experience these boxes are not the best, they get damage so easy and the tape Amazon uses is the worst! They only put one strip of tape for any box or weight and half of the time I’m re taping it
The Saudi princes and Kings of the world think they're so grand and powerful sitting on wealth passed on to them while ONE man singlehandedly built the world's richest company from scratch.
Now that, is impressive
Supposedly the amount of wealth those King's have make Besos' look like pocket change
Princes and Kings wealth is a lot more than just pure money. Most of Bezos’s wealth is Amazon’s stock, which could be vanished after 1 night if something terrible happen, same goes with many other richest people. Kings and Princes assets, in the other hands, often are in real estates and other physical properties, not to mention they also have massive authority power and other hidden. Their wealth is much more sustainable and concreted although the amount seems vastly lower than the top 10 richest people.
He worked for it, the princes and kings were just born
Honestly just make sure its enviromentally friendly and recyclable. Tho i do not want to continue cutting down our Canadian forests and replacing them with everygreen trees.
Great video about packaging. Don’t forget about all of the tape used in boxes.
Damn.. I’ve always wondered!
if amazon stops using ridiculously large size boxes for their small items.... then maybe MAYBE their shipping costs wouldnt be so high. just saying amazon
Would you like your new smartphone shipped in a HDTV box?
[Yes] or [Yes]
A broken item will cost them more than a larger box
If you diversify your product portfolio, manufacturing and operation costs go up
They literally have teams of engineers on these kind of problems for years but I guess they should listen to you instead
You are probably a guy without the knowledge for this subject. Products in tight boxes have 2x chances to be broken or damaged fromcthe shipping process. It cost less to use bigger boxes then having to pay for the broken product and another one..
great more plastic waste instead of recyclable cardboard because it cost more wow! clear example of how the world is gonna end.
If only there was a way to recycle plastic...
wjerame plastic is hard to recycle and expensive too which is why only 9% is recycled.
Plastic is not that bad for the environment. Could easily be recycled, and even if burned, its not worse than burning fowsil fuels.
JosefsensDK plastic is not easily recyclable it’s actually hard to recycle because it’s expensive to recycle. That’s why only 9% of plastic is recycled. Micro plastic is also in our food chain and water supply which should worry you as scientists don’t know how it’s affecting us due to it only being around for less than a century.
JosefsensDK so yes plastic is horrible
0:48 ALL the years of playing Tetris is paying off!
1:29 I thought he was boutta say "death of rick and morty" I cant be alone
How did I get to a place in my life where I’m watching a 16 min box documentary?
I clicked on this because I thought they would explain how Amazon always has the perfectly sized box for everything..
Computers
At 1:52 he did not stop lol
Beautiful graphs!
The most amazing thing about this is #CNBC managed to make a 16 minute video about boxes without directly answering the question in the title.
I still don't know who makes Amazon's boxes.
@Doug SwampRat: that means you didn’t pay attention…
FYI, starting at 4:04
the answer to that is here 4:09
Must have fallen asleep at that point. Thanks.
The story of how two brothers - and five other men - parlayed a small business loan into a thriving paper goods concern is a long and interesting one. And here it is...
I haul a lot of the giant paper rolls out of some of the Georgia Pacific paper mills, as well as some others on the west coast, and deliver it to several GP and Westrock and PCA box plants down throughout California, as well as hauling recycled cardboard bales to the mills, and delivering to Amazon Fulfillment centers, and I am a Prime member, so this video has a lot of familiar sights in it! Lol
Most of the boxes that I see being produced in California, and this is not surprising, are for food related products, produce, etc, but at least one of plants I regularly go to (westrock in the bay area) has a dedicated Amazon box line.
These kinds of videos make me feel smart for some reason
No one:
Literally no one:
CNBC: box business is up
Very low effort "joke"
That’s what I’m subscribed for, I work in cardboard plant
1945: I wonder what is space
2019: I wonder who makes Amazon boxes
I didn’t know that there exists a designation called “Director of customer packaging experience” in a company
These skids of cardboard took up a ton of space in our warehouse and every order we got the person placing the orders was always in panic mode for delivery 😮
4:57 industry consolidation? You mean monopolies!
Next, Amazon will ship predictive shipping speeds before you even ordered it.
I worked on an old corrigator machine in Tampa florida back in the day ..not for everyone.
they tricked me into watching a video that is 15 minutes about boxes. Well done... not even mad
Lol I just ordered something 😂💀
My investing research: watch cnbc videos
A question I had last week that I couldnt find the answer to, until now.
I agree the boxes are getting more reasonably sized, and smaller. More "custom" sizes too.
Lets replace cardboard which is biodegradable with plastic which never degrades! WOO HOO!
“China certainly doesn’t have trees” ~ oh really now?
Not the type you’d need for paper
Seeing them piled neatly satisfies my OCPD.
Last week I ordered 12 small items (all from Amazon EU itself). It came in 6 different shipments from 3 different shipping carriers... Whats that about??