I live with the strong opinion that in every music style there is quality worth listing to. This has never failed me in my life, I can advise it to everybody.
I was enlightened by a recent biography of Mike Seeger, advocate of old time string band music. (And invaluable in helping Bluegrass survive as Country Music left it behind; he actually named Bluegrass in the liner notes of Folkways albums.) His parents had become ethnomusicologists because of government projects. Before marriage and children his mother Ruth Crawford Seeger had been a respected composer of avant garde classical music. After marriage, she used her training to transcribe field recordings for her husband and the Lomaxes. She wrote a book of folk songs for children, some of which shaped the curriculum I remember. She also gave endless piano lessons to help support her family As her children grew older she decided to resume composing. And won awards that amazed her folkie kids. Then died of cancer much too young UA-cam has a couple of her pieces. They opened my ears
The first was like an intriguing conversation of sound/vibration. Kind of like a choir of robots passionately singing their own genre of musical expression. An enjoyable video and contemplation. 🦋
As soon as "Silver Apples of the Moon" came on, it was interrupted by an ad about platelets. Hard to decide with that interruption. Rhythm was common to all of them. And to the Coors ad that keeps popping up.
One thing this video doesnt mention in classifying "music" is its reproduceability from some kind of notation. All of the music EXCEPT for Silver Apples of the Moon were reproduced by others, through some form of written music notation. I wonder what Morton Subotnik's music charts look like, or if it is even consistently reproduceable by the author.
The Apples song is 100% background music. In a film, you don't have Frank Sinatra singing while people are walking in space suits on Mars, you have filler, or background noise
Maull's analysis is brilliant centered as it is on opening the mind to new possibilities. A classicist from early in life, I still learned later in life to see the beauty of rap music, the genius of poetic invention and fluid rhythm in these black youngsters. But still, that Subotnick was not music, just sound effects because no harmony or rhythm.
I used to make plinky plonky sounds like that with Music 11 on the Physiology Department’s minicomputer, in the late 1970s. Subotnick’s plinky plonky sounds were vastly superior to mine, of course!
We are so used to visual presentations. Nevertheless, we listen to music all the time. However, I am learning that listening is an art too. I have already fallen in love with music, and learning to listen is a new ‘perspective.’
Once you listen attentively to everything, you go back to liking and disliking certain aspects, it is ok to discriminate once you know it’s function and purpose.
The title was misleading. There was no mention of why some music appeals to some and not to others. I would like to know why it is that I find some music beautiful to listen to and why some is irritating, or indeed very unpleasant to experience. For instance the Bartok was somewhere in between boring and uncomfortable, whereas the Bach and Take Five were very pleasant. I was hoping the video would explain why we experience such different responses. Using sounds is exploited in some form of torture. What do the torturers know?
1959 Take Five by Dave Brubeck has been favorite music of mine since I first heard it at age 17yo. The rest just annoyed me. The exercise was interesting. Thank you.
750- Beautiful choral music, angelic female voices. Both joyful and melancholy. 1170-Medieval, fast beat like La volta, something you want to dance or create something to. The female vocals sound like they're telling a story. 1721-Sounds like the enlightenment. Optimistic, playful, springtime. Makes me feel more awake and alert. 1782-More sedate, like you're mingling. Could be a snobby party, but could also be an interesting walk through a museum. 1907-Romanticism and what emotions feel like, with swells and ebbs. 1936-Slow and sad, then frantic, could be a soundtrack for a thriller film or modern opera. 1959-I've heard this before...Background music for a humourous scene or taking a walk through a town.. Upbeat, vaguely jazzy. *Common:* They all contain conventional well know instruments. Clear melodies, and convey "easy to understand" emotions. Not abstract. *Uncommon:* Acapella and singing. Drums and percussions. *People i don't like:* Religious fanatics, scammers, and racists. Yeah i don't think I'll ever like people like that. Even such people can of change, and i'll debate pretty much anyone, not dismiss them out of hand for the most part. *Is Morton Subotnick's musical piece music?* It's an abstract soundscape, not music to me personally. Would work well in a videogame or film since it doesn't distract or come across as too safe and relatable as deliberate music.
of course silver apples is music, it ca not be otherwise as it was realized as music by the composer. music is not a matter of opinion by the listener but a matter of intent by the composer or performer. the listener can only have an opinion of liking or disliking. the educated in the field having knowledge of how well it functions as such.
Re: Silver Apples - it's repetitious and hackneyed. He's not composing with his mind, he's composing by plopping his hands on a synthesizer in the same places over and over, then tinkering with a few special effects to make it seem more interesting.
I live in torment because my housemate only plays Christian pop, which strikes me as complete dreck. Actually, I'm usually able to play something else to drown it out. I'm not a captive to it all that often.
Apples of the moon for me is more like some sound affects in si fi movies rather then music. But in general I don't have ganras that I hate. I just don't enjoy certain types of music.
For me it does not sound like music because it seems to have no feeling and evoques no feelings. I have listen to some of this before and it varies in quality, most of them I would call them pseudo-composers. That is what I think.
the last one from 1959 is not in the same category as the previous one, so it can't be analyzed together. And also I consider Jazz to be a very poor style, although it made some contributions to music. You get more from popular music than jazz, it is a pseudo intelectual style that distracts your mind but does not give you anything to remember, and is dangerously alienating.
No it’s not music. It’s a furthering of non human aural dissipation. The latter examples are derivative of useful existential awareness. To entertain silver apples is useless musically and intellectually…M
I liked all of em, personally, even silver apples. I should mention, however, that I have notoriously eclectic tastes and I can't really say there is one genre that I don't like, but rather individual artists and subgenres (for example, I'm not a fan of 80s/90s pop music, but I don't discredit pop as a whole. Similarly, I enjoy rap but don't care for certain rappers)
I live with the strong opinion that in every music style there is quality worth listing to. This has never failed me in my life, I can advise it to everybody.
AGREED!
No, there isn't. Unless nausea-provoking is a worthy quality.
I was enlightened by a recent biography of Mike Seeger, advocate of old time string band music. (And invaluable in helping Bluegrass survive as Country Music left it behind; he actually named Bluegrass in the liner notes of Folkways albums.)
His parents had become ethnomusicologists because of government projects. Before marriage and children his mother Ruth Crawford Seeger had been a respected composer of avant garde classical music.
After marriage, she used her training to transcribe field recordings for her husband and the Lomaxes. She wrote a book of folk songs for children, some of which shaped the curriculum I remember. She also gave endless piano lessons to help support her family
As her children grew older she decided to resume composing. And won awards that amazed her folkie kids. Then died of cancer much too young
UA-cam has a couple of her pieces. They opened my ears
Thanks
The first was like an intriguing conversation of sound/vibration. Kind of like a choir of robots passionately singing their own genre of musical expression. An enjoyable video and contemplation. 🦋
Haha, I absolutely LOVE Morton Subotnick!
If a random collection of sounds and musical notes makes music, we can all be composers.
Absolutely. Augusto Boal is alive and well and the spirit of cultural and social revolution.
As Shakespeare said, 'All the world is a stage'!
Exactly! Just like a collection of splotches and marks on a canvas makes art. 🤦♀
750 Calming churchy
1170 - Medieval
1721 - bach Victoriana
1782 - Bugs Bunny Classical
1907- 1960s drama film soundtrack
1936 - Film noir soundtrack
1936 - cartoon soundtrack
1959 - jazzy take 5
Silver apples of the moon sounds like the score of a great scifi movie on some distant planet
Very interesting! Keen to hear where this goes in Part 2.
I love it all! Great subject!
I love pop punk hard rock and heavy metal music
As soon as "Silver Apples of the Moon" came on, it was interrupted by an ad about platelets. Hard to decide with that interruption.
Rhythm was common to all of them. And to the Coors ad that keeps popping up.
Apologies for the ad placement - but without ads, there would be no Perspective. There would be no UA-cam - or it would be subscription
One thing this video doesnt mention in classifying "music" is its reproduceability from some kind of notation. All of the music EXCEPT for Silver Apples of the Moon were reproduced by others, through some form of written music notation. I wonder what Morton Subotnik's music charts look like, or if it is even consistently reproduceable by the author.
se him Valdimar in USA Laing like like a model pike in the art history, best stuff on UA-cam thanks from Iceland.
The Apples song is 100% background music. In a film, you don't have Frank Sinatra singing while people are walking in space suits on Mars, you have filler, or background noise
Of course Subotnick is music, but it strikes me more as background or an interlude.
So good, and thought provoking.
Maull's analysis is brilliant centered as it is on opening the mind to new possibilities. A classicist from early in life, I still learned later in life to see the beauty of rap music, the genius of poetic invention and fluid rhythm in these black youngsters. But still, that Subotnick was not music, just sound effects because no harmony or rhythm.
Then, the Gregorian Chant was not music because it did not have harmony nor rhythm.
I used to make plinky plonky sounds like that with Music 11 on the Physiology Department’s minicomputer, in the late 1970s. Subotnick’s plinky plonky sounds were vastly superior to mine, of course!
Cool! I was using a descendant of Music 11 - CSound in the 90's.
We are so used to visual presentations. Nevertheless, we listen to music all the time. However, I am learning that listening is an art too. I have already fallen in love with music, and learning to listen is a new ‘perspective.’
Wonderful!
Once you listen attentively to everything, you go back to liking and disliking certain aspects, it is ok to discriminate once you know it’s function and purpose.
yes it's music.
If we let go of our cherished opinions whole new worlds open, said every Zen Master in history.
Beatles Forever!
The title was misleading. There was no mention of why some music appeals to some and not to others. I would like to know why it is that I find some music beautiful to listen to and why some is irritating, or indeed very unpleasant to experience. For instance the Bartok was somewhere in between boring and uncomfortable, whereas the Bach and Take Five were very pleasant. I was hoping the video would explain why we experience such different responses. Using sounds is exploited in some form of torture. What do the torturers know?
1959 Take Five by Dave Brubeck has been favorite music of mine since I first heard it at age 17yo. The rest just annoyed me. The exercise was interesting. Thank you.
Probably should have played them Lou Reeds, Metal Machine music.
I do not think of it as music.... rather a few sounds put together for whatever reason. All the rest though were great!
750- Beautiful choral music, angelic female voices. Both joyful and melancholy.
1170-Medieval, fast beat like La volta, something you want to dance or create something to. The female vocals sound like they're telling a story.
1721-Sounds like the enlightenment. Optimistic, playful, springtime. Makes me feel more awake and alert.
1782-More sedate, like you're mingling. Could be a snobby party, but could also be an interesting walk through a museum.
1907-Romanticism and what emotions feel like, with swells and ebbs.
1936-Slow and sad, then frantic, could be a soundtrack for a thriller film or modern opera.
1959-I've heard this before...Background music for a humourous scene or taking a walk through a town.. Upbeat, vaguely jazzy.
*Common:*
They all contain conventional well know instruments.
Clear melodies, and convey "easy to understand" emotions.
Not abstract.
*Uncommon:*
Acapella and singing.
Drums and percussions.
*People i don't like:*
Religious fanatics, scammers, and racists.
Yeah i don't think I'll ever like people like that. Even such people can of change, and i'll debate pretty much anyone, not dismiss them out of hand for the most part.
*Is Morton Subotnick's musical piece music?*
It's an abstract soundscape, not music to me personally. Would work well in a videogame or film since it doesn't distract or come across as too safe and relatable as deliberate music.
Ayone know the name of the Bach piece? I've been trying to track it down for a while.
A rhetorical question does not require an answer.
of course silver apples is music, it ca not be otherwise as it was realized as music by the composer. music is not a matter of opinion by the listener but a matter of intent by the composer or performer. the listener can only have an opinion of liking or disliking. the educated in the field having knowledge of how well it functions as such.
Does anyone know the name of the 1170 piece?
Re: Silver Apples - it's repetitious and hackneyed. He's not composing with his mind, he's composing by plopping his hands on a synthesizer in the same places over and over, then tinkering with a few special effects to make it seem more interesting.
I live in torment because my housemate only plays Christian pop, which strikes me as complete dreck. Actually, I'm usually able to play something else to drown it out. I'm not a captive to it all that often.
Apples of the moon for me is more like some sound affects in si fi movies rather then music. But in general I don't have ganras that I hate. I just don't enjoy certain types of music.
I can listen to anything with the exception of country and western music 😂
I love gregorian chant and can't abide any other religious warbling
For me it does not sound like music because it seems to have no feeling and evoques no feelings. I have listen to some of this before and it varies in quality, most of them I would call them pseudo-composers. That is what I think.
the last one from 1959 is not in the same category as the previous one, so it can't be analyzed together. And also I consider Jazz to be a very poor style, although it made some contributions to music. You get more from popular music than jazz, it is a pseudo intelectual style that distracts your mind but does not give you anything to remember, and is dangerously alienating.
There are many types of music that I don't care for, but only one that I hate: Rachmaninoff.
What is the point of this video? teaching to listen to music to those who are not interested?
It made me feel nauseous. Really disturbing.
This us totally naive.
No it’s not music. It’s a furthering of non human aural dissipation. The latter examples are derivative of useful existential awareness. To entertain silver apples is useless musically and intellectually…M
I liked all of em, personally, even silver apples.
I should mention, however, that I have notoriously eclectic tastes and I can't really say there is one genre that I don't like, but rather individual artists and subgenres (for example, I'm not a fan of 80s/90s pop music, but I don't discredit pop as a whole. Similarly, I enjoy rap but don't care for certain rappers)