Roland TD-17 & drum-tec electronic drums triggering Logic Pro X Drumkit Designer
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2021
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Did you know that Logic Pro X includes a high quality drum sample library, which supports midi mapping for your electronic drum kit? If the answer is no, then check out some of the nice sounding drum sounds from Logic's Drumkit Designer, that I am triggering from a Roland TD-17 sound module, hooked up to my beautiful drum-tec diabolo series limited edition kit (Grey Slate Finish).
Feel free to ask any questions in the comments section and follow my Channel @digitaldrumming for more electronic drums demos!
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Excellent sounds. Ralf goes without saying is always great.
Thank you -as always- very much for your positive feedback! :)
So this is that kit! You said you use the 17 as your module to trigger sounds, and I gotta tell ya that retro rock kit sounds phenomenal!
Thanks William! 😃
Thanks to this video, I now have an even bigger pallet of sounds to choose from!!! Got to give the TD 17 it's props too. Still a versatile, reasonably priced tool. Very happy. And The playing on this video is excellent as always!!!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback Jason! :)
I love playing the Logic Pro kits at the church. The sounds are really Nice and the cymbals sounds very realistic.
Absolutely!
Does it work in real time? Are There latency issues? Am thinking to do this at church also :) greetings Form germany
@@timedelmann1843 it works great. I’m using a Ssd hard drive. No latency at all.
That Liverpool kit...omg..I've been looking for this snare.
Hey Eddie, yes there are some really great sounds to be found in the Drumkit Designer :) kind regards!
Looks like I have a whole new set up thats ready to explore and I didn't even know 🙃!!! Thanks again !
Hey Jason, yes absolutely I was also suprprised when I realized that the drumkit designer has a workable v-drums midi mapping :) Kind regards!
Wow Nice sounds. Also the drumming was amazing.
Thank you very much! :)
Beautiful tutorial!
It was needed!
As always, you never contradict yourself: professionalism, technical preparation and kindness belong to you.
I share with you: LOGIC has a BEAUTIFUL FREE library of DRUM sounds and also other INSTRUMENTS that are worth using and are enough for my personal use.
Do not underestimate the infinite possibility of modifying each single element of the DRUM independently at any time with the DRUM KIT DESIGNER function.
Each element (hit hat - snare drum - kick drum etc.) can be adjusted with volume - tones - intensity - size - type - equalization - compressor - reverbs etc. independently of each other as in a professional studio and with infinite possibilities.
After this premise I wanted to explain 2 problems to you since you are a great expert on the subject:
1) I have the impression that using my TD17 first version connected with a midi/usb cable there is a bit of LATENCY.
I use MacBook Pro 10.12.6 - 2ghz intel core 5 processor - 8gb 1867 Mhz memory - 256 gb archive memory.
USB-midi cable
It could be caused by the Mac requirements or by an INCORRECT parameter setting (latency value or other?) or by the fact that I directly connect the TD17 control unit through the USB COMPUTER PORT directly to the Mac without going through the sound card since I have a DUET 2 APOGEE that doesn't have midi inputs?
Could it be better to pop out of the round MIDI socket on the back and connect with a MIDI/USB cable?
2) Can the problem of the HIT HAT with rod that can make the MIDI values unrealistic be solved with a VERY STRONG and STABLE Hit Hat ROD?
Thank you very much and I have always followed you in your tutorials with great enthusiasm.
It’s fantastic to hear Logic Drummer’s virtual drums come to life and get a confirmation of their quality. Although - and I am clearly not a drummer - except for Smash and Liverpool, they all sound a bit similar to my ears. I must be missing something?
Man, It's so funny, I really don't remember what I was watching before this seriously lol ...I got distracted, then your videos started playing!! lol Dude... excellent playing and super awesome channel!!!! 🥁🎹😃🐀
:-D thank you very much!
Fantastic drumming as always, Ralf! Always love watching you play. Beautiful kit as well. Which toms from that limited edition diabolo kit are you using here - is it the 8" and 10" rack toms (I know the kit comes up with 8/10/12/13 toms, so just wanted to get a sense of which components you are using here). Thanks and sub'd!
Hey Tommy, thank you very much! You are right, I am using the 8 & 10 toms with the 13" floor tom. The 12" is still waiting for its future use as a side snare possibly :) kind regards!
Very nice video! Btw, I realized that you weren't using the VH-10. Are there any compatibility issues with Logic? Did the MIDI mapping work fine just out of the box?
Hey Bruno, thank you! The VH-10 will also work nicely, but for triggering external samples, I usually use a hihat pad that is fixed, so that there is no unwanted midi information sent to the cpu from the hihat pad shaking & moving around. Using a fixed pad & controller pedal in this case gives you cleaner / more accurate midi data from the hihat, although it feels less natural without the real hihat stand unfortunately :) kind regards!
I didn't even realize that the sounds on logic pro x had this capability I've been just using Superior drummer 3, I have to give this a shot!
Hi Jason, what was most surprising to me was that there actually is a well working mapping preset for v-drums included :) the drumkit designer is not a Superior Drummer by far, but it's another nice option for some additional "colours" I think. Kind regards!
Really nice playing. It looks like you're playing with an electronic hi hat trigger pedal. What model are you using? Do you get better response using the e-hi hat pedal vs using the hi-hat on a regular hi hat stand? I bought the Roland VH-10 and was going to do that but got a regular hi hat stand instead. After watching this video though, I wonder if I should've done it. Any feedback?
Thank you very much! In this setup I am using a Roland FD-9 foot pedal /controller in combination with a fixed CY-8 hihat pad (you might also use the VH-10 pad on a fixed stand f.e.).
Although the regular moving VH-10 hihat stand setup is much nicer & more realistic to play in general, a fixed hihat pad in combination with a controller pedal delivers cleaner midi data if you are using external sound libraries triggered from your DAW.
When mounted on a hihat stand, the hihat pad has more vibration & movement going on, especially when you are playing half open (which is also pretty tough to play consistently when the pad moves around all the time). So in many cases it will be neccessary to edit / clean up the midi data afterwards, which is not neccessary when the pad is fixed & the controller pedal is not affected/touched by the hihat pad movement.
Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming Thanks for your response. Keep up the great work. Blessings.
you are very strong! can I ask you something?
is it possible to assign a shaker or an Fx to a pad directly from one of the kits?
Thank you very much! Logic Pro's Drumkit Designer does not offer additional percussion instruments/fx as far as I know, but you might chck out other drum libraries like Toontrack Superior/EZ Drummer, that also come with additional percussion sounds. Kind regards!
Great stuff, Ralf. Are you just connecting your USB straight from the module to the laptop or is it hitting some type of interface first?
Thank you Andrew! The TD-17 is connected directly via USB midi to my Macbook Pro running the latest TD-17 driver, Drumkit Designer is used/triggered as a plugin in Logic Pro X. So the midi interface is included in the TD-17, you'll need an audio interface for the low latency monitoring though. Kind regards!
Excellent drumming! You really showcase how good the sounds are.
I've not had to use any other acoustic drum sound software, like Superior Drummer, for a while because Drummer is pretty damn good sonically, and very efficient on resources.
I'll have to get myself an electric kit again so I can trigger them like you do ( that's an awesome kit you have there ) because I too play the real thing, but currently just "finger/keyboard" drumming until then.
Thank you very much! Yeah having an electronic kit with great playability/triggering for midi recording was a huge improvement, actually that was also the reason for me to start working with electronic drums years ago :) Have you checked out the drum-tec Silent Studio Sessions yet:
ua-cam.com/video/F8iciO7ENcA/v-deo.html
You can find more info on drum-tec electronic drums over here if you like:
www.drum-tec.com/edrums
Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming Thanks for your reply! It's much appreciated.
I'll definitely check out your links for sure.
I'm definitely going towards getting an electric kit once again a lot sooner rather than later, and watching your video has definitely upped the desire to get one!
@@digitaldrumming Wow! Those drum-tec kits are beautiful... I'd better get saving my money up!
@@wjec1970 :-D
Hi Ralf can you do a video of setting up the td17kv to trigger SSD5 please? Thanks for all your awesome videos. I am currently using the drum-tech live drum sounds I purchased on the website
Hey Shaun, great to hear! As far as I remember, I have always used the standard TD-50 mapping preset in SSD5 which worked well for me. Do you have any specific problems that you encounter? Kind regards!
Question:
How does it map the hi-hat. Can you still do hi-hat splashing?
I was aware that Logic Pro had such great kits, but I didnt try it with edrums. Didnt know that supports midi mapping! So its possible to use with my Mimic Pro? Ah an extra question if you dont mind, what is the camera that you use on the ceiling? Great video, thanks!
Absolutely, these kits sound really nice and are well workable. Generally speaking, you can use any sound module's midi output in this setup, but I guess you'll have to adjust midi note mapping accordingly, as I am not sure what midi output standard the Mimic uses. The overhead camera is a GoProish action cam from another brand :) Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming Thanks!
Sounds good bro 🤙🏻
Thank you Joe!
@@digitaldrumming I have a question brother, what do you recommend me to invest or buy, a complete set of drums including microphones?, or use a midi system like ez or slate drums. In any case to record an album.
How do you record it? Do you use drum preset from logic pro and mix the MIDI? Or the sounds directly recorded from the module?
Hi, the TD-17's midi output triggers the sounds from Logic Drumkit Designer live/directly. You can go down with latency real low, if your system/cpu/driver can handle it and are set up accordingly. Kind regards!
Hi Ralph , I just bought diabolo snare, fantastic product, now I want upgrade my alesis to Roland module, I'm uncertain between TD 17 and TD 27, in your opinion what is the for triggering results on diabolo snare ? Do you think positional sensing is important or not much?
Hey Emanuel, triggering/playability on a TD-17 will already be considerably better than with any Alesis module. But the TD-27 indeed offers positional sensing, and also the possibility to use Roland digital pads (the ride especially is great in my opinion). Also you'll have more in-/ouputs and a more detailed CC hihat open/close resolution as far as I have understood if you switch it to 127 (which isn't possible on the TD-17).
All in all, both TD-17 and TD-27 offer great features/quality for their price. In the end, it also depends on which sounds you prefer I guess, as both modules sound different. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming thank for reply Ralph. Yes detailed hi hat transition it's important to me, and td27 sound seems best . With diabolo 13 snare , there is a difference in hot spot between td17 and 27? What is the best module for less hot spot possible with diabolo snare? Do you use often positional sensing in your drumming when you play superior drummer 3?
Awesome! So when you’re recording into Logic are you recording each drum piece separately or altogether?
Hey Derek, the sound module is triggering the software/samples from its midi output. So you are able to edit/mix the separate drums/cymbals in the software generally speaking. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming So how do you have the Roland connected? Is it just one midi channel in or one midi channel for each piece?
@@theoriginaldbrown The Roland module has a midi to usb or midi connection & sends all info on one midi channel. In the daw you'll see all the separate midi notes / cc data for every trigger zone/articulation. You can work with the separate instruments either in the mixer of the software itself (f.e. Superior Drummer has one built in with its own plugins) or you can use a multi output so you'll have all the separate channels in Logic's mixer for processing. Kind regards!
This is also such a nice vst! What are your thoughts on it vs other popular ones like AD2 or SD3?what is your fav preset from the logic one?
Btw loved the cymbals on the Liverpool kit! Are those kind of dark ones?
Thank you very much! I prefer the Toontrack libraries in most cases because of their great playability & flexibility with the mapping (SD3). SSD5 is also nice for Rock stuff. The Logic drumkit designer is nice to have as it comes free with Logic Pro X & the sounds are great. There's also a multi output version of the plugin, so you could probably work with very well too. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming I am playing a little with it lately... the cymbals are not chockabke, are they??
@@Dadedrums Hi, yes I think so too, but maybe there's a midi re-mapping workaround for this? Kind regards!
Really nice thanks. Have you tried anything with brushes?
Thank you! Not yet unfortunately, most libraries do have brush & rod stroke sounds, but brush sweeping is pretty complex and can only be achieved with a Roland module with positional sensing in the first place. But the current Roland modules themselves don't even have onboard brush patches anymore (TD-30 had one). Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming don't forget about the td-25 😉
@@Dadedrums While the TD-25 does have positional sensing, it didn't have any brush sweep patches neither unfortunately. Neither do the current TD-50 or TD-27, which is a shame actually. Kind regards!
This sounds great, but I’m having issues with the ghost notes in logic. My drums are playing great with the output, but when I usb midi, the ghost notes don’t work as well. Can I change that in the DAW?
Do you have problems concerning trigger accuracy or dynamics? Kind regards!
Thank you for this. Is lag ever an issue?
Hey William, if your computer has enough CPU power & you have a fast audio driver and interface, it is no problem to play with super low latency that is not audible/perceivable.
Kind regards & merry christmas!
Is it possible to use the sounds from the module itself. Rather than a lodgic standard kit ?
Sure, you can record audio nad/or midi coming from the TD-17 sound module. Kind regards!
I have a problem with my hihat when using with logic pro x.. the issue is when the hihat closed there is no sound on it.. i try map for the note but still have not a sound.. the others mapping is ok except the closed hihat.. is there any setting to fix on it... Mine module is alesis crimson 2 module...
Hey Mohd, I actually think I had the very same hihat problem in the multi-output version of the kits. The problem is not there if I use the stereo out kits as far as I remember (which I used for the demo). Seems to be a bug inside Logic, I'm glad I'm not the only one who experienced it ;-D kind regards!
I got my drumset hooked up to logics drums and mine don't sound as good as this video could it be the speaker I'm using? Or are the drums in logic edited to sound that good
Hi Sebastian, no I didn't apply any further mixing to the sounds. All kits from the demo are stock/start up kits from Logic's Drumkit Designer, maybe the presets have changed in the newer Logic versions? Kind regards!
Hi man! I’ve been struggling with how exactly to trigger logics drums with a electric kit, trying to get rid of the awful sound in my own kit. Is there by any chance you could explain it? Everything from what cables to use.
Hi, you basically connect the sound module's midi output to your midi/audio interface which is connected to your laptop/computer, and open up Drumkit Designer in Logic Pro X. Then you chose the "v-drums" midi mapping preset in Drumkit Designer and it should work generally speaking :) kind regards!
What watch are you wearing?
:-D it's a Nixon "Dork Too": www.nixon.com/de/de/dork-too/A1266-000-00.html
@@digitaldrumming thats rad! casio databank vibes
@@symplesy2056 Absolutely! :-D
What set are you using to trigger?
I am using a 100% Roland compatible diabolo limited series kit (Grey Slate Finish):
www.drum-tec.com/drum-tec-diabolo-limited-edition-e-drums-grey-slate
Kind regards!
Is that your new personal kit?
@@jrepp11 Yes exactly, I use it at my homestudio now & love it (had a "regular" diabolo kit there before). I will replace the TD-17 with a TD-27 for positional sensing & improved hh control. I've been playing a drum-tec pro kit with TD-30 over at my other studio for years, yet the more compact diabolo sizes fit my smaller editing room at home perfectly (and I love the vintage finish). Kind regards!
Oh I thought you were going to show how to connect the drum kit to logic!
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Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming thank you.
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I don't understand your question sorry...
I am surprised some of these kits *actually* sound better than SD3.
Hey Andrea, I really like these kits too (especially as they come for free with Logic). Although they are not as flexible as SD by far, they are very cool for quick & dirty recording / song production. Probably for non-quick & dirty too ;) kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming Gotcha. I will have to dive into e-drumming soon. After 20+ years of just being acoustic. As a pro I cannot disregard this kind of software anymore. SD3 especially!
I cannot hear the cymbals loudly enough in the mix. Just drums.
I guess you should probably listen with a pair of good headphones or a good stereo monitoring system, there is plenty of cymbal sound information in every kit.
Obviously you could change volumes to your individual preference & apply further modifications like eq/compression/fx in your DAW, but this is not the point of this video. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming It might be my hearing. I've owned Roland, Yamaha and others, and have used a couple of VSTs and have always had to crank up the virtual bronze and turn town the virtual mylar to get the right balance. I genuinely cannot hear the sticks on that ride or on the bow of the hat in the video.
@@thebarak Well I guess it's individual preference then, I never had a problem like this with any sound module / sample library honestly and I am doing a lot of different electronic drum demos from all available brands over at the drum-tecTV youtube channel :) Kind regards!
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