Why To Use A Stage Box
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
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There’s a lot of confusion about stage boxes and many different words flying about. Looms, snakes, multicores, patching…. If you’ve ever wondered what all these mean then you’ll enjoy this video.
Afterwards, you should be more confident buying one, setting one up or just using them as part of the events you run.
We’ll take a look at why we use a stage box and take a look at the different configurations of stage boxes out there. I’ll clear up some of the commonly used words and give a few examples of how stage boxes are used in venues where I’ve worked.
00:00 Introduction
00:36 What is a Stage box?
01:54 Why use a stage box?
03:23 Configurations
04:36 Patching
07:07 What we send through stage boxes
08:00 Case studies
11:49 Summary
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Hello Andrew. Great video. Could you please explain how to use a splitter snake when there is a FOH engineer and a monitors Enginner? Thank you.
Hey! great suggestion! Yes! I had a 48 channel splitter yesterday for just that, I never though to film any footage of it haha. But yes, I'll definitely make that video for you.
Can I throw an acoustic electric guitars 1/4 direct in my livewire 16x4 stagebox that uses combo jacks?
The mixer end is XLR
Will it keep it instrument level and then essentially just be a hot signal?
Say you don't have enough DI boxes to convert it to mic level
You can but you'll probably experience high frequency loss and buzzing. The instrument signal isn't balanced so its not suited to longer cable runs
Hi Andrew, good video! , I've got a 24 out 8 in stagebox with 24 inputs into the mixer and 8 returns from the mixer. I have a question about the returns if you can help please. Do you know if the output signal from a headphone amplifier is safe to pass down the snake to be connected by xlr to passive personal volume monitors on stage? We have 4 passive in ear monitoring controllers on stage with a 6 channel headphone amp in a 19" rack at front of house. The return path is Aux out from mixer into a patchbay which is normalised to the headphone amplifier inputs, then from the headphone amplifier outputs, this is normalised to the snake that goes back to 6 of the 8 returns on the stage box. The volume controllers for the IEM are connected by XLR to the stagebox to allow the musicians to turn volume up and down on their personal monitor clipped to their belt. Thank you for your thoughts.
Hey Chris, good question. Sounds like a good solution. It would work, an analogue snake will transport your signal. I used to have a set up just like this in a studio where I worked. You might lose a little quality or volume if the cable run is very long since the signal is unbalanced. Any reason why you can't have the headphone amp on the stage? That's would be my first choice.
@@OffshoreAudio The outputs on the headphone amplifier says they are servo balanced. As they are going via XLR to the stage box down a 15m snake, does that mean the cable run will be balanced, I think it does but i'm not an expert. My concern is about the wires in the snake being suitable for handling the amplified signal but when I consider the wires on the headphones, they are small too, it's not as though I'm sending an amplified signal for passive monitors or passive front of house speakers what require the big speaker cable. I'm assuming this is not an acceptable practice with the snake, is it just built for passive returns and with the amplified headphone signal kind of being its max limit? Thanks for the reply
@@OffshoreAudio We have a singe 20unit high 19" each flight case that is packed with everything for the front of house and stage in one place. I think some smaller unit's would be handy so maybe an onstage amplifier is an option for the future but I have 3 patchbays in the current rig so I can send anything anywhere a bit like a mini studio on wheels. We use it to record gigs and practices into a 8 channel ADDA coverter with and additional 8 channels from an ADAT slave sending a total of 16 tracks into protools or back into thr mixer tape returns for analogue mixing. Our setup is a split channel 16 channel analogue mixer with 8 groups outs and mix out, then in the rack we have 3 balanced patchbays, a 2 channel valve pre amp for vocals, a 2 channel compressor/gate/expander/limiter for 2 vocals, a 4 channel compressor/gate/expander/limiter for kick, snare, bass and vocal, then a 2 channel effects unit, then a 2 channel sonic enhancer, then a 2 channel 31 band eq with feedback detection and bass crossover, then a 2 channel amp we use for stage monitoring with passive wedges, there is then the 16 channel ADDA recording units. The 6 channel headphone amp is in there too. It's a powerful box of toys really for mobile sound and studio type things and all patchable to make it versatile. That's why it's all in one box at the moment to cover all uses.
@@OffshoreAudio oh also in the box is 2 8 socket power strips providing all the power
@@Dicoboomtime Cool, I think I misunderstood the situation before. If it´s balanced mono outputs on xlr then it will almost certainly be fine going through your stagebox. You’re right that by using the wrong cable on a speaker amp setup you could cause the amp to overheat. You’re also right that usually headphones aren’t on particularly thick wires to begin with, they're not dealing with as much power. If the outputs are on balanced XLR then I see no reason why your set up wouldn’t work with the stagebox. Should be totally fine.
Where i work There is one stagebox with only 8 inputs. Its small stagebox strictly made probably for front mics or something.
Hi there. Great info. I have a stage box with a metal strain reliever on the end that connects to the mixer. How do I couple the strain reliever to the mixer - can't work that out?
Hey, I'm not entirely sure what you mean? I don't know if that's something I've come across. Got a link or a picture?
@@OffshoreAudio Hi Andrew. Tried to send a link with pictures a few times, but it seems to get deleted.
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