Trying to Fix a Very Unusual HO Scale Brass Locomotive - Will it Run??
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- I was browsing eBay a couple months ago when I found this strange brass ho scale locomotive. I believe it could be a Japanese EF58 electric locomotive however I'm no expert on identifying different types of locomotives.
In any case this one had several mechanical issues which needed to be sorted out. The wiring was a mess with the insulation having dry rotted over time. Everything was in desperate need of a good cleaning and the gears all needed fresh oil.
I'm overall satisfied with the results of this repair, despite some of the tricky adjustments I had to do with the wheels etc.
Anyone that has worked on HO engines would appreciate that you got her up and running . Nice !
Good morning Harrison. Greetings from Germany to you. I must tell you I have really learned a lot by watching your Videos. My self got AC Märklin Train Set, but since I see your Films I was able to help a Friend who doesn't have the Nerv to fix his Locomotives him self. That's why I hat to write the first time and say? Please stay as you are and I look to the Future for your Films. Greetings Bruno.
You can refurbish anything I enjoy watching you fix almost anything that's before you
Serenity, we have a runner! Cheers from eastern TN
I love how you can fix trains like these
Incredible! Thanks from Yokohama.
I’ve been following you since the pandemic and I am very impressed as to your presentation and video content. I am especially impressed how you are persistent to getting older locomotives
to run almost like new. You have great tips on cleaning and even making missing parts to get the locomotives to run great. Your assessment of various manufacturers is very helpful.
Since I’ve been watching you I have purchased mainly Mantua steam and diesel engines and some Tyco diesels. I find the Mantua steam easy to work on. Thanks for your content and I will continue watching. Much success to you in the future. Dale k
Will put that in the SMT Manual"Brass Chapter" page foreign power. Well done, Harrison
That is a really awesome locomotive. Glad you got it running.
I thought it was a pencil Vania railroad p10
Nope not at all
Good Vid Harrison I’m always excited when you have a new upload!
Hi, Johan from Seattle. I'm new to your channel. Enjoying it so far!
Another Runner. Well done, Harrison. If you're looking for a brass SP Daylight, we just got one in at the shop.
Thanks for sharing. 👍🐾👍
I should probably repair my current one before buying another. I've got three Bachmann ones up for bat.
All it needs now is to give the shell a good cleaning, new couplers and maybe some paint. You'll have yourself a nice-looking unit. From Texas
Once again SMT's Model Railroad Locomotive Rescue Service brings a worn, tired (and in this case a bit unusual) locomotive back to life. As always a well-done job by Harrison. This model either is or perhaps soon will be a collector's dream worthy of display. That it is now back to working condition makes it all the more special.
Feels crazy to say I was here at 5k I’m so proud of you let’s get this man to 100k he deserves it!
I'm amazed its gotten this far. Thanks for sticking around.
Nice find of that Japanese EF58. It does remind me of a Pennsy GG1 in that brown paint. I haven't found many Japanese and Korean prototype brass trains, especially since nearly all brass trains come from there. I think you could mount a Kadee coupler right above the first lead axle and it can pull fine
Count the side windows, it's an EF-57. This model and the EF-57 as it has seven side windows, an EF-58 has five.
Class EF57 (EF57形) of 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement DC electric locomotives was a development of the previous JNR Class EF56. 15 Class EF57s were built between 1939 and 1943 by Hitachi and Kawasaki.
Introduced on Tokaido Line passenger services, they were seen at the head of expresses such as the Tsubame, complete with train headboard mounted precariously on the front of the cab decks. With the introduction of the newer semi-streamlined Class EF58s on Tokaido Line services, the EF57s were transferred to the Tohoku Main Line. At the same time, their steam-heating boilers were removed and replaced by electric-heating generators.
The class remained in use on long-distance express trains on the Tohoku Main Line until the 1970s.
Specifications
Configuration
• AAR 2-C+C-2
• UIC (2'Co)(Co2')
Gauge 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in)
Driver dia. 1,250 mm (49.21 in)
Length 19,920 mm (65 ft 4+1⁄4 in)
Width 2,810 mm (9 ft 2+5⁄8 in)
Height 4,091 mm (13 ft 5+1⁄8 in)
Loco weight 110.82 t
(109.07 long tons; 122.16 short tons)
Electric system/s 1,500 V DC overhead line
Current pickup(s) Pantograph
Traction motors DC
Performance figures
Maximum speed 95 km/h (59 mph)
Power output 1.56 MW (2,090 hp)
Tractive effort 9,500 kgf (93,160 N; 20,940 lbf)
Career
Operators JNR
Number in class 172
Disposition One preserved, remainder scrapped
It should be running on Cape, not Standard Gauge
I think this is a somewhat rare model. I wasn't able to find much online about it.
I don't know for this model, but a lot of japanese 'HO' (ie models of domestic trains on 16.5mm gauge) are 1/80 scale.
Hello! Thanks to your channel, I saw transmission options that I didn’t even know about. 👍
I love watching your videos I check UA-cam everyday to see if a new one is out keep up the great work !!!!!!
Nice job getting that running great video as always. I just got my first electric locomotive i got an old rivarossi gg1 found it at 2 am for 45$ on ebay grabbed it right away never seen on that cheap and it wasn't in pieces.
It looks quite cool keep doing great videos Harrison.
Always a good day when SMT uploads
Nice model in HOj...Japanese rendition of its 3'6" gauge prototypes in scale 1/80 to run on HO gauge ( 16.5mm) Track...another "toy train" compromise. But the Models are excellent representations, especially the Steam Engines...originally rolling stock ( cars, wagons) were accurate pressed metal, later injected Moulded Plastic...top of range ( Tenshodo) were all brass construction.
The national modelling journal Tetsudo Mokei ( IronWay Models) is a great source going back almost 70 years. ( helped me to learn Japanese -- unsuccesfully)
DocAV
Got to love these restoration videos
This looks a lot like it could be KTM or Tokyo Endo. I imported an O gauge locomotive and a couple cars from Japan a year or two ago, eventually I'll have them restored and I can enjoy running them. The a lot of the O gauge equipment was 3-rail, but had scale-sized flanges which aren't optimal for running on O gauge track that has a round railhead. Something with "T" shaped rail like Super O, Gargraves, Fastrack, Atlas O, or MTH Realtrax would work though.
Fortunately, HO trains don't generally have this issue since the track always has a realistic rail profile that works well with small flanges.
I'd love to see the Layout running Trains in the dark/Nighttime, Great video as always!
i absolutely love these type of videos it's kinda relaxing
Very unusual engine, good to see it running again!
your lay out coming along nicely. In the begging was this s your dads lay out and you just carry it on or did you build all of this by your self?
Your restoration videos are always informative! I really enjoy them!!!!!
That is indeed interesting. Thanks for the info about this locomotive’s past!
Definitely a Japanese National Railways prototype
I suppose it's an EF58
Magic hands SMT lol
I’m glad you got that Japanese locomotive running again man!! Serenity!! Pretty unusual locomotive here btw!
I have this model in N scale, and I'm extremelly envious of you right now XD.
The EF58 is a japanese narrow gauge locomotive which ran on a 1067 mm track, not on the normal 1435 mm rails. So normally a H0 version for H0 standard rails is not quite correct.
Very odd-looking locomotive, glad you got it running like it's pretty much like brand new. I myself never had anything brass but brass track. These always seem to be very expensive at train shows however when you see some of them and then sew intricate it's no wonder why. Good job
Harrison: (looking at a shelf with 26 broken locomotives) Hmm… which one do I fix today? That one? No. This one? Nah. I know! I’ll buy one on eBay!
Lol. Great fix kid. Impressive as always.
Yooo, so close to 100k subs, it could happen before your next video. Will you do a 100k special?
Looks very nice my friend. I'm jealous of ur talent of fixing trains. Anyway I have more trains coming in like a blue goose and some other trains. So be sure to look out for it
Great Japanese locomotive, an EF56, looks like a Tenshodo brand, now you need to find the other panthograph and the railings in the front and back. You just gave some nive clues to fix a similar Japanese engine I have that runs but after a while goes into short-cut so I will check on the same points you did. Thanks for the graphic advise.
Thanks for the info
Nice work there!
Do brass engines have specific maintenance requirements? Are there things I might do with a more commonplace model that I shouldn't do with a brass engine?
Main thing with brass is that it's very easy to have short circuits when the whole locomotive is made of metal. Very detailed brass models might also have fragile detail parts to watch out for, but that can also go for detailed modern plastic models.
Running brass locomotives on a regular basis means regular lubrication (every ten hours of use) and tightening screws which work their way loose.
In real life that's a Narrow Gauge locomotive, in fact only the shinkansen runs on standard gauge.
Tenshodo/Fulgurex model from the 60's 70's or late 80's They have a tiny spot at the end of the Internationaller modelleisenbahn katalog from 1985 and even then they used the old 60's catalog pictures.
Stm main line I'm getting some very old I believe ho stuff from 50-60s will it run or not.
I have never seen something quite like this! It reminds me of the time piko made br 52 steam locomotive with a really weird tender that doesnt look like the actual tender.
You mean the BR52 with the condensing tender? Different for sure but necessary where it was used. I’ve got one (a Gützold variant with the smoke lifters) and it’s a noisy little thing but a good runner.
I guess the engines with condensing tenders were prototypes.
@@Davidstrains2056 they were used in the Soviet Union and the Balkans where water supplies were rare.
nice brass addittion to your collection
Great repair 😊
Good looking piece. Really needs to be refinished, because good paint goes a long way, but the mechanicals are solid. Needs a new pantograph and end platforms. Most electric locos have a provision to draw power from overhead so you could theoretically string up real catenary.
Since it's got a brass body I'm sure it would easily pick up power through a wire.
You can probably solder some of that spring steel piano wire to the frame to make it a bit more rigid.
Harrison:This doesn't work? ILL MAKE IT WORK.
Also the calender is mad at smt
@@vincentandhimi6990 Howcome?
@SMTMainline it says smt what the flip
Nice little Japanese juice jack.
Is a model like that a good candidate for a thero rebuild like coreless motor better pickups kit bash interior led lighting dcc kaydee couplers 😊
Great job buddy
I have bought a crap ton of junked locos where the seller just had no way to test them, but they ran fine
Another job well done 👏 ✔️ 👍
you need to get the Darwin coupler boxes from the coach yard(tcy) for your brass models. They also include the screws too
I was wondering what kind and how the couplers were installed on it; I assume between the wheels and end platforms.
Maybe contact Tenshodo in Tokyo for the additional parts you need.. like the pantograph.. if you ever go to Tokyo.. a visit to Tenshodo is a must!
Aloha from the big island of Hawaii Harrison. I see why you picked up this piece
I recommend con cor it has N scale and HO scale for the N scale layout and HO scale layout!
@SMTMainline
This is a cool little engine. I'll bet a bit of re-engineering would help it get to 100%. You seem to have the knowledge and skill sets needed for such a thing, so go for it. Would make a very interesting video!
Very nice video I was hoping that I can get a lot of ho scale trains
It honestly looks kinda like a gg1 (i also love your videos)
Also when do you think the next live stream will be
Very nice job.
Nice. I broke down and bought 2 ebay lots myself. I get Friday or Saturday. 1 has 10 cars 2 i really wanted 1 is a VARNEY gondola and the other is a Mantua tyco Babe ruth box car with chuffing sound maker. Didn't say if it worked but it's in the car. They are in great condition too. It also has a few caboose's a few gondola a couple coal hoppers with load. The other lot is a mantua/tyco western Maryland flat car with tractor load. I have one but it's just the flat car shell and 2 of the 3 tractors (red\yellow) the 1 i bought has all 3 tractors (red/yellow and green) and even has the brake wheel. I cant. wait everything needs couplers and im sure some oil in the wheel bearings and some dusting. But yeah it also adds 3 new road names to my collection as well D&RGW, Burlington Northern, and SOO LINE. I really want to make a spread sheet of all my trains. Categorize them by car type. 9
Can you cook up something to re-stiffen the frame? You are usually quite creative and ingenious on these things. And rebuild a pantograph??
I could cut up some brass sheets or wire and then solder it over the weak sections.
I am happy for you got a good brass what ever it is you got running again, Please watch for it I am sending you, Just let me know you got it,
Hi Harrison I would like to congradulate you on almost 100k subscribers. I would like it if you did a video of running all of your HO scale steam locomotives I saw your other 2 videos and from watching some of your videos I can tell that the collection has grown quite a bit. I saw your video where you fixed that 83 year old varney yellow stone and I thought it was pretty intristing when you found that bachmann Canadian national GS4 and i thought it was pretty cool. So please consider making another steam locomotive video
I think it's time to make an updated version of that.
This is a crazy question, but...is that an old Suydam model? If it is - you might want to check the pantograph to see if it will draw electrical power from that as well.
I believe it is. I couldn't find much online about it though.
@@SMTMainlineLooking on line - that very well could be a Sango JNR or a Tenshodo EF-57. It being sold brass excludes it from being a Kato or Rapido, as those two models have plastic shells. Ah, the internet is a wonderful research tool at times...
Really cool model, looks like PRR equipment lol
hello smt mainline it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy
That is PRR Big Liz built in 1917 I believe
Smt mainline pls answer or respond if I send one of my engines to you for inspection and for a knuckle coupler how much would you charge if you do that
Hi, I no longer do repairs that involve shipment.
Hi, I been watching you channle and love trains. I did have a question. How can you tell how old an train could be?
Will couplers be installed on the EF58 anytime soon?
I'm not sure where to install them.
I got a train that might need some fixing. Just some replacement things and other things. I don’t have the stuff to make it run. So I don’t know is it will run
I meant “if” not “is”
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How many passengers were injured in the derailment? Was the driver in the brown car treated for trauma?
Hopefully it will run, with you I think it will
Train doctor 2: electric bugaloo
EF - E for electric and F for 6 powered axles. (ED then is for 4 powered axles, EH for 8, DE is a Diesel with 5 powered axles, that´s the japanese numbering system of former JNR and todays JR and JRF, not working for most private or third sector railways though).
EF58 is the one of the very famous engines. If serial number is 60 or 61. You got very very lucky. These two were only up used for emperor train.
Interesting and good vid
Now all it needs is couplers, another pantograph, and possibly the paint freshened up. Then it will be an interesting piece to throw some North American cars behind it.
I didn’t know you had to fix it when I have one of these. I just wear it in. And it works perfectly fine after
Sometimes the parts just corrode and running it will get things working again but if the parts don't have oil (especially metal ones) they won't last very long without lubrication.
@@SMTMainline we’ve already tried that
@@singlestrobe I'm confused. I thought you said it worked fine without work?
@@SMTMainline OK I’m confused now too back to the topic. The steam engines get really stuck around corners and I just have to wear it in for them to move so I’m trying to figure out how to make those move smoothly and the gg1 that you fixed. Just has squeaky wheels.
still find myself too early in a vid again:/
love ur vid too
I love your videos
I hope you can get a large ultrasonic cleaner someday.
You haven't answered my question, what does SMT mean?
Scrumptious Model Trains
@@CRRAIL6905 That's correct
Ok,thankyou ever so much,love the videos 📹, keep them coming.
that is a very interesting locomotive
Did you ever think of making a subway or a L line on your platform.tony
I should since there is plenty of space under the layout.
Wellll folks
In today's video
We’re going to be unboxing
A brass electric locomotive
I found on eBay
I found this a few months ago
It a JNR EF58 they were built from 1946 to 1958
Hermosa locomotora
Cool train
iS THAT A GG2?
Bro I sent u a package and I hope it gets there safely 😬🙃 and it was a cool Japanese engine
Smt i was at a train show in sweden yesterday and i found a rivarossi nyc dreyfuss hudson, i didnt buy it but it was very cheap, around 1000 sek (swedish crowns)
Cool 😎
Use to see these eng in yokohama. Some were freight
I dont think I have ever seen metal bands on a loco before.
They were more common in the 50s and 60s
My son works with a with a label machine, I recommend you pick up some small or medium nitrate gloves when working with all that stuff.
It can cause cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm.
I have gloves but I generally don't use them unless I'm working with degreaser or lead. What material would you consider a risk here? I'm willing to change if it's a significant risk.