Greatest TRADER vs Greatest INVESTOR ! Simons Vs Warren Buffet: Who makes more money?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This video compares Jim Simons and Warren Buffet.
Jim Simons and Warren Buffett are two of the most successful people of all time. Simons is the founder of Renaissance Technologies, a quantitative trading firm that has generated an average annual return of 66% since 1988. Buffett is the chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, an investment firm that has generated an average annual return of 21% since 1965.
In terms of wealth, Simons is worth an estimated $28 billion, while Buffett is worth an estimated $104 billion as of early 2023. Simons' wealth is derived from his ownership of Renaissance Technologies, while Buffett's wealth is derived from his ownership of Berkshire Hathaway.
However, when it comes to returns, Simons has outperformed Buffett by a wide margin. Renaissance Technologies' flagship Medallion Fund has returned an average of 66% per year since 1988, while Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has returned around 21% annually over the same time period.
Their styles are also vastly different. Simons is a quant trader who relies on sophisticated computer algorithms to make trades. He takes a data-driven approach to investing, using complex mathematical models to identify patterns and trends in the market. In contrast, Buffett is a traditional value investor who relies on his experience and judgement to identify undervalued companies with strong fundamentals. He famously avoids technology stocks and prefers to invest in companies with a durable competitive advantage.
Overall, while both Jim Simons and Warren Buffett are incredibly successful investors, they differ in their approach and style. Simons is a quant trader who relies on complex algorithms and mathematical models to make trades, while Buffett is a traditional value investor who seeks out undervalued companies with strong fundamentals. While Buffett has built a larger net worth over time, Simons has achieved much higher returns through his quant trading strategies.
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Best video I have seen for a long long time .. thanks
It's misleading as the video is for retail and they don't have very high capital say above 10 lac . Trading is more or less standardized means every technical analysis book say same RSI ,Ema etc . Investing very difficult to learn if you wrong you pay heavy price. Investing is that easy why 80% mutual fund can't beat index even Buffett says to invest in index fund that too in USA. It's also myth that Buffett invest he also trade even sale option and he is doing it from 16 year to now 90+ .
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Yes obviously mr. Buffet is the biggest option(long term) seller
any proof that warren buffet sale options.
@BEACON603 he doesn't sell naked short term options. He sells cash covered puts that are very long dated and those returns are miniscule compared to his investing returns. Never listen to anyone blindly
Sir, you earned one more subscriber from this informative video.
You have the best channel and explanation on UA-cam. Keep it up 🎉🎉❤ the fact that you went to IIM A, displays in your sophisticated approach! I subscribed to you. Loved your explanation
Trading is a zero sum game but you missed something very important. In the zero sum game here, not all experts are competing with themselves, money is actually flowing from immature and novice traders who are beginners, every year new people enter the market, those who survive and learn for a few years shift to the other side of profitable traders. This cycle keeps on running.
Sir, I like your videos and have huge respect. Without watching the video, I can guess that Investor makes more money than Trader. But, In India, most of the people don't have money to invest. so, we need to start with learn trading, make good capital to start the investing journey. Most of the people are just meeting the daily needs with job/salary. Thank you very much.
Sir, with due respect to you, I would like to put forth my opinion here. Yes, I agree that most of the people do not have much money to invest. Do you know the minimum money required for trading? If you come with 10k, market will take that money in one week. What do you do then? Trading should only be done with surplus money. If you have one Lakh rupees in your trading account, your daily trade should max 20k. Not more than that.
Ap ek aise video baniye sir.. 10-15 saal baad.. Trading kaise hogi .. Kis tarike se hogi .. Aur ARTIFICIAL intelligence ka kya role rahega stock market me.. And insaan ko beat kar paega AI in stock market.
Good question gentleman
I made a video with Vivek on the topic...
ua-cam.com/video/F6XOaKL1fr4/v-deo.html
Thank you so much 🙏🏻
Sir aap ki ek imandar pahle hai ye. I salute you. Aap ek thought process batate hi aur dekh ne ka nazaria aur cheejo ko samjhane ka knowledge de rahe hai. I have become a big fan of you. Very very valuable knowledge video 🙏🙏💐
Even if the formula is shared people wont be able to implement it because of the same reason - behavioral finance - most people fail on the part where the brain has to be managed
The main reason lot of people lose money in trading cuz no one is committed in what they are doing. They are engaged in some other profession and as they find time in betweeen they place trades and there are lot of people out their they jus think trading can create fortune in some days so they bring huge capital n lose everything cuz no knowledge and those 10% who really make money are the people who are doing real business they are committed to what they are doing. I'll take one example, what will be the probability if someone jus go in hospital and do the surgery what do you think will the patient live or die .. it's 100% sure that patient will die cuz he is not been operated by Pro doc same thing with trading if you take data of such thing then it will be 100% failure to become doc I hope you will relate this thing. Trading is serious business where you have to be really committed in what you are doing then only you will definitely be a successful trader🎉
Beautifully explained trader v/s investor
5.0 K v/s 40.0L
would be a good game for life to come in 5.0 K people
Let's see......
Thank you so much Mr Ajay for sharing wonderful analysis
Expecting many more good things from your side
I am hardcore trader , never share my strategy
Your Video is really good
Really genuine
There should be more such genuines in the markets
But the irony is if this types of videos are seen more then number of monkeys in markets will reduce. Traders never want this to happen 😅
Bhai pls bolo sach me tarding se pese Banta he kya .me Mera isme time invest karna chata hu pls batao
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Ha ha karo.
Tum jab tao option kharidoge nahi to ham bechke paise kaise banyeanhe
Incredibly knowledgeable session 👌👍👍👍👍
Also make video on Swing Tading vs Trading.
Love u Sir, ur true, i would say honest person, i m new in this world from last one year, i heard more then 1k u tube, but appreciate you are number one w.r t me, coz ur vedio resolved my way of thinking, loss or profit doesn't matters,
Ur best..
Thank you so much. Means a lot
Very clear & excellent thoughts
Investment is very difficult.. i feel it is more difficult than option trader...
Very good analysis Sir.
Sir filhaal to course seller is the best investment
Ajay ji. Maine aapka interview dekha CNBC Neeraj ji ke saath. Nice views. Look people give example of Warren Buffet but Warren Buffet is an institution and by that I do not mean in figurative sense. Its in the actual sense. Warren Buffet is owner of Berkshire Hathaway which has biggest investors behind it. Including the US Federal Reserve.
Ok jab banks crash hue the Berkshire Hathaway came to invest in Bank of America and Wells Fargo following 2008 economic crisis . He came and invested in Apple when it was going through a slow growth phase and stock was under performing. He came and invested in airlines stocks when they had hit bottom following the September 11 attacks and travel became restricted and oil prices had hit record levels.
Warren Buffet, I do know his personal stock picking abilities is not just a person. Its a complete institution with the money, the human resources and the political clout. Comparing him with an individual trader is like comparing the Indian cricket team with a domestic player in IPL.
Climax of ur video was quiet true...in long term trader become the investor...when i started to participate in market i always wanted to be investor and avoid all trading...i was avoiding trading because of the counsel of learned people who use to tell trading, specially option trading somehow is alike gambling...i started reading few books and landed to an author who completely changed my mythology about trading ...who narrated trading as profitable profession....(Speculation is a profitable business) who described knowledge is more important that capital....prior to reading him i use to give 50:50 to knowledge and capital..after 3 years of hard work...after practicing my setup and improvising my setup.... now i can say i m professional trader...but this is just a beginning like i have been born to the world of trading now i have long way to go ahead......sometime i watch ur video but most of ur content are precise to investing so currently not able follow rigorously...but when this trader will turn to be investor than i will definitely choose to follow u religiously
plz suggest some books on trading .
The author from whom I learned trading his name is W D Gann..
Sir per decision trader 9.09 profit and per decision invester 45 profit. What is that logic
But what if time value of money if stock go sideway for 10 years for investor.
When to exit is issue?
Still longterm is good.
Can you make video considering weekly and monthly chart for long-term
Partially wrong information. Investmwnta by investor, after certain point, is not liquid. Or aay technically its liquid but if you have 100 billion dollars in investment, you can't sell all stocks and yet have the market rising (not crashing and mking loss) and sell at high price. As usually the FII FPI what they do is, pump and dump, so take markets up using the derivatives money and then keep selling slowly daily for months and years, until you know no more is possible and rhen you already have the cash in hand.
While traders buy and sell and exit completely . Of course the money value can't then be so high. So if 100 billion goes in investment, trading will be only 50 million or 500 million but it is liquid. Everything can be taken out in days as compared to months.
Stock market being at a proper valuation and not into bubble zone, helps the real investors, while market going up helps the traders and investors exiting continously. Because onvestors know that it is better to have rangehound and aideways market than crashing to bottom. But those who manipualte want markets to go higely high and crash to rock bottom, to make money
However, a trader needs a minimum margin, such as 20 lakhs, to take a position. If the trader achieves an average yearly return of 40% and experiences a 20% drawdown, it will take approximately 3 to 4 years to see compounding benefits every time to add the margin. On the other hand, an investor using a Systematic Investment Plan (SIP) with a 12% Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) will surpass a 40% yearly profit over a period of 25 years
Very good video Sir. You content is different, no one has made content like yours. Plz continue such a good work. We need mentors like you.
Thanks for this video series!especially the garud and pigeon analogy. This made me realize options is useless and finally at peace after deciding to get out of it🙏👏👏👏👍
Excellent video 👏
Jim simons actually does low latency, hes not an HFT guy. Thier holding time is 1/4 days.
Only investors can make worth in the mkt.patience is the name of this game.
How did Jhunjhunwala became a success even after trading aggressively
I always admire ur process.
Lovely❤
Hum nahi ban sakte . Neither Jim Simmons nor Warren Buffet .
Well said.
Sir, first Treader. Then Investor. But first learning. Nahi to you go to zero.
This is GOLD!!
Sir you are gem of share market. Thank you🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Buffet will always win because life is not about seeking money all the time but its about peace of mind
At least dont demotivate retail people. It is difficult to manage 100cr by trader.. but people starting with 2-3-5 lakh. Encouraging should be done more.
Buffett was never such a super wealthy person if he resorted to well known investments technique
Once He was very reckless trader/investor.
People know nothing about him
They know only goody goody investor Warren Buffett
But not the ruthless and reckless Warren Buffett.
If I am not 🚫 wrong. Warren Buffett too takes trades in morning hours most of the days.
I am curious to know, what will happen, if you insert time function (means interest of hold money) along with number of decisions and probability factor, what will happen to these profits?
cash market short or long term trading is much better than F & O trading, Mark Minervini's phenomenal success is a proof
Very good video 👌👌🙏
Excellent Sir ji😊
Sir most important thing you have left out, trader will pay 40% tax and final compounding will come out to be 10..15% but long term investor maybe paying nothing in Tax and max 10%.
Which exam and certificate help me for good job opportunities in stock market.. Tell me some hints
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Always worth listening you Sir. Your guidance is very much Valuable.
Sir, vivek bajaj ne around 150 face2face kiya usme se around 140 face2face trading ke upar hoga so aap vivek bajaj ko boliye face2face stock ke fundamental ke upar, business model ke upar kare tabhi uske stockedge ko jyaga subscription milega buster milega kyuki face2face se logo ki jindagi khatam karne ka kam mat karvao sir. Waise bhi india mei log poor or dukhi he...Thanks
Saved my capital
Hi Sir, I am also from IIT Varanasi 2008 batch. Great knowledge. animation at the end of video was special.
Apke vivek bajaj bhi loud speaker mai strategy bolte hai.
So baba bangali gai kya wo?
Sir aapne hame majboor kar diya subscribe karne ke liye .is informative video ke dwara🎉❤
who made money in yes bank ? in rel power idea? and all failed investments?
Sir fundamental analysis ki series laiye plz... bahut kuch sikhna hai aapse...
Appreciate your indepth Knowledge analysis .Truth Explained
sir volume kam hai
Ajaybhai Great - GK From USA
pata nahi mujhe video audio sync nahi lag raha hai.
one short query, please
10 parameters to judge yourself as a good trader or not so ?
Hazar wala log.. tum kuch air dekhlo .. ye hamareliye ni
can u tell me about a real.investor?? plz
Trader or investor is the mindset and size of portfolio!
Another thought provoking video Ajay, very apt and food for thought. As I'm in this journey - long term investor as well as an options writer, such confusions exist and clarity comes from these videos but decision making lacks. The point of capital is very relevant. After a certain point, it makes sense to e a good long term investor.
Pure Gold 😌😌 and last me maths bhi 😮
Will you be Interested to come to Kuala Lumpur for a 2-3 hour session to Charterered Accountants community ?
Samit ji, one of my very dear friend who is also co-founder of our start-up www.dizlog.com/ is based in Kuala Lumpur. I will be visiting KL soon. Will let you know and can plan to meet up with the CA community there. You can drop me an email @ ajayfy.connects@gmail.com
Investment formula series banai sir ji ya book ka name dijiye
Sir Data science how help in stock market
How to identify rerating of PE in the stock...
Sir Traders who trade the stock .If suppose all the investors trade with algo trade .who will loss the money.
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Which exam and certificate help me for good job opportunities in stock market.. Tell me some hints
Include algo trading
great man wihth great knowledge ,kya bhaat hai bhaiji 🙏🙏🙏
Ek kitab ka gyan 20 minute mein.....apka aabhaar
thanks to give great knowledge sir
Sir local trader hero ghanshyam tech or treading legend tapan sa
गजब सर 🎉
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dear respected sir.
I am persuing MBA (finance and marketing) and then me preparation kar raha hu. NISM Derivatives, investment advisor, and research analyst .phir me CFP bhi karne ka socha hu sir.. this is good or not sir.
Mujhe fund manager banna hai .
Aur khudka organisation open krna hai like honorable vivek bajaj sir jaise jisse me poor and lower logo ko financial planning kar pau ...jo capable nhi hai. Everything in free. Tell me sir road map.
Trader Vs Investor; Guide Vs Misguide. Ajay @ you are truely a focused man, composed and clear. After watching your each video i always tell myself that i am only an investor but next morning like that urge to smoke ki kal se chod doonga, that urge comes to trade. I DO NOT trade at all but the screen is on all times. Can you plase guide how to even control this urge of looking at prices. Thank you.
I think start taking intrests in fundamentals analysis learnings...
Sir, always you love to hear you.. pure wisdom
Great analysis sir 👍👍👍👌👌👌
Sir, do you run any small case ????
please don't use like this example with bangali
My Sincere apologies on this. There is no intent to hurt anyone's feelings. I belong to Kolkata myself and am fond of my state and I speak the language myself. That was just a generic comment. Apologies
Good explanation 😊
Good knowledge 👍
A great video a great purpose. 🙏🙏
Excellent example and Analysis. Please make some video on portfolio structure and exit strategy considering next 20 years of India.
Samit ji, this will sound like a cliché, but we are all lucky to be in a young India of abundance & optimism. Luck does play a role in life , there is no doubt about it, but that is a separate discussion all together
Please make some video on portfolio structure and exit strategy considering next 20 years of India growth and position in world economy.
Awesome
Honest and genuine person
Fully knowledge video
gazab ka video hai
Pranam Guruji
Very informative video
sir, any particular significance of the F1 picture you have in the background?
I painted that Rathish ji, am a big fan of Michael Shumacher , and that is the F1 Ferrari of 2008
@@G2GAjaySharma beautifully done. i am also a fan of Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel, but then of course who isn't a fan of Michael Schumacher. then there is Lewis Hamilton but for some reason i never became an admirer of him.
Shumi was better I think and I will tell u why .. when he joined Ferrari , Ferrari was a bad car .. he took a bad car, worked with the team and engineers to improve the car... He became a champion with an average car. Hamilton got a great car to begin with. So a great car and a great driver vs Shumi average car and a great driver.
@@G2GAjaySharma absolutely, that's a good comparison. it was schumacher's brilliance.
अजय सर.
स्टॉक मार्केट मे कितनी खरी बात कोई नही बोलता.
Thank you sir
Vivek bhai jindabaad😊
Great lesson sir🙏🙏
Wonderful 👍
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