How the LDS Church Created a Divide in Our Family - Linda Clyde
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2021
- In this excerpt, Mormon Stories Podcast guest, Linda Clyde, opens up about how the teachings of the LDS put a strain on many relationships within her family, especially her relationships with her parents.
This excerpt is from Mormon Stories episode 1449 - “Navigating a Mixed-Faith Mormon Family - Linda and Savannah Clyde Pt. 1”
The full interview can be found at: • Navigating a Mixed-Fai...
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Non mormon and from the old world. I started listening to these podcasts just yesterday. I had also listened and watched some a few years ago
First of all I want to say that I am full of respect for all of you. The depth of your feeling and suffering in the world where religion became so marginal is awe striking. You are all diamonds. You shine.
The second thought, someone said that God is too big to be limited by one or even all religions. God is on your side, who should you fear?
When having to sit outside the temple when one of my grandchildren got married, one of my children told me subsequent to the ceremony that it was MY CHOICE. I am sure that this child felt justified. But, it was made clear that I had let my family down.
When I got married I decided to get married outside the temple then sealed later cause I knew some of my closer family members weren't worthy and knew it wasn't their fault. My wife agreed but sometimes it felt like my bishop tried to protest our decision, but we held firm and had it our way and had the most wonderful day. I'm more of a closeted progressive mormon and I know that there's issues in the church that should be addressed but know I'd be excommunicated at the first sign of defiance.
you should invite her dad to come on mormon stories
I agree. But I have a feeling he’s the type of guy that grew up in the 50s and 60s where men don’t talk about feelings
Dude I tried to ask my grandma a medical health history question and she balked calling it rude, but I'm like what if I am higher risk of developing xyz that you struggled with. What about my kids? But it was also an ovarian thingy so I get it.😳
This is a Mother/Daughter? They look like Sisters!
John, I have watched many of your videos and appreciate the message. HOWEVER, you have a tendency to talk over the people you are interviewing. Normally we learn more when our mouths are closed and our ears are open!
We have two ears and one tongue; therefore, we should listen twice as much as we speak.
How can I apply to be a guest on the show? I'd love to share my story about leaving the Mormon church.
I think his E-mail is mormonstories@gmail.com. 18 kids? Now that's a story I'd like to hear!!!
@@mylesmarkson1686 We all have such valuable and beautiful stories and I love mine! It's been quite an adventure
Send us a short summary of your story to our instagram account (@MormStories) and we would love to consider you for the podcast!
@@UnderstandingMormonism Done. Maybe not the "short" part
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For myself, I believe, and know that it's incorrect to call it "Lost the Faith"
It would be better and clearer expressed as "Lost TRUST in this LDS Cult"
Please tell me if you think I'm wrong.
Where can I find the whole interview?
The original interview is split into two parts at the following links:
Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/O9wOU2NBPYU/v-deo.html
Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/Zs7U0omy_cw/v-deo.html
Thank you, Dave!
More sensible people bailing out of the Good Ship Zion….don’t worry the water’s fine…👌🏽
Ya
Anger is an emotion that can strongly promote change, so LD$ Inc and its Book of MORmON church vilifies anger because they want to block people from being motivated to leave the Book of MORmON church. However when MORmONS are offended (angered) by "apostates" and "sinners" and "anti MORmONS" then that is just fine.
when you leave the cult, the cult reacts
I’d bet money this will change. How long? Well these days things are gonna happen quicker. So 7-10 years? Who knows tho. Their “sacred” temple is probably the last to lower its standards. Maybe it won’t change
The church has been harassed about shit like this since day 1, over a century ago. How about you lay off the Reddit cringe sometime eh?
@@Radnick0024 defending this church really? Like defending racism or men’s rights over women etc. wow. Keep watching the channel🍻🍻🍻
@@damonm3 I’d keep arguing if you’d make sense, but your fallacies will just make us both wrong
@@Radnick0024 good, glad I don’t make sense
Grant Palmer had the opportunity, before he died, to spill the beans on President Thomas S. Monson; but Grant refused.
Unless Grant told you John!
Choices have consequences.
What beans???
Anyone who refuses, to repent from personal sins, they always come up w/endless (excuses/lies.) & they can't, leave the CHURCH alone.
"51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Luke Chapter 12
What’s up Dehlin, cant leave it behind? Nicely fulfilling a prophecy, well done;
What’s up Karoly Vaczy, can’t leave it behind? Why are you stalking Dehlin?
John, how does putting your words in guest’s mouth to make your point help?
Tbh the whole "you can't attend your child's temple ceremony" thing has never really bothered me. I'm an ex mormon but this just isn't one of the issues I have. This has a really easy solution: get a civil marriage and have all the wedding and things in a typical church or whatever, and have that be the actual wedding (as in, make that part be the REAL wedding, which everyone is invited to, and have it be what you make the invitations be about). And then once that part is all over, go to the temple and have a small gathering there. Hell, maybe even just make it between the husband and wife at the temple, without anyone else around.
There's lots of issues in the church but I don't think this is one of them. Or it is, but only because members are being really stupid about how to go about it. It has a very simple solution and doesn't have to be as big of an issue as people make it.
Typically in Mormon culture, there is a strong stigma surrounding people who choose to have a civil marriage, as others often assume it’s because the couple is unworthy to have a temple ceremony. And up until recently, you would have to wait a year after a civil marriage in order to be sealed in the temple. So, there is an immense pressure for couples to be married in the temple - which excludes many family members and friends from attending.
That's what my Nephew did. It's was very considerate.
Some mixed religious families do a public AND a personal wedding, dunno why theres people complaining about this _after_ agreeing to the terms and conditions (non-members not allowed in)? Not to mention this has been a very significant aspect for more than a century, theres very little reason to be so caught off-guard by this.
The terms and conditions are not true and honest conditions. Think about that.
@@hbendzulla8213 that only devout members can enter a certain place? With that logic, let's just storm the 'employees only' area at Target because they're "excluding" us from the better stock held in storage. Also, why did you ignore the 1st half of my comment?
@@Radnick0024 my sister in law’s family are not members so they had 2 weddings so her family could participate. It is however frowned upon in the church. We are told not to have a second ceremony as it takes away from the temple.
Allowing a second ceremony is a new policy in the church. Until a couple years ago the Church policy was _no_ other wedding ceremonies permitted. It was punitive on US members because in other countries, second ceremonies were condoned by the Church. So it’s ok outside the US but not in the US? the church has an undeniable history of divisive policies against part member families. And to be clear , I mean policies. Because they are not doctrinal.
You still have the issue of which ceremony occurs first, with different families wanting "their" wedding ceremony to go first.
Granted, this was made a little easier to deal with in 2019 when the church leaders changed one of their anti-family policies to eliminate the one year wait previously required between a civil ceremony and temple ceremony.
My preference would always be for the all-inclusive civil wedding to occur first since it is the strongest at respecting, celebrating, and showing love of family, friends, and God's love to all. The temple ceremony should be done soon after this.
Nothing is as anti-family as having to figuratively perform human sacrifices of non-member family and friends at a wedding, although I realize some of that may be by design as part of the process to separate members from non-members.
The 2019 change by the First Presidency does state: "Where a licensed marriage is not permitted in the temple, or when a temple marriage would cause parents or immediate family members to feel excluded, a civil ceremony followed by a temple sealing is authorized."
One would hope that more and more people with mixed-faith extended families and friends will take advantage of this.
It's also worth noting in all the Mormon Podcast Story interviews and with each of us individually, that the landscape, rules, and practices are changing over time, whether from external pressures, internal pressures, real or perceived revelation. This means that each of us may have had different LDS experiences based on our ages, whether we were born into the church or are converts, even what country, state, stake, ward, or branch can result in different experiences.
Linda has every right to be upset and sad about how church policies and indoctrination caused pain and suffering to her and her family and drove her extended family apart rather than bringing it closer.
As always, Informed Consent plays into this as well.
A whole lot of jaded people who refuse to accept certain church doctrines. You don't get excluded from the temple anymore than faithful followers of the mosaic law where excluded from the holy of holies of the Jewish temple. If you don't understand scripture you won't understand the doctrinal principles which animate the sacred ceremonies and laws which guide them.
I don't accept that to go a wedding of a family or friend that I need to pay 10% of my income to a tax-exempt real-estate holding corporation grandfathered in as a church. Trust me I understand this exclusion policy and participated in it as a believing member, where I thought, "tough noogies older brother, you forsook your covenants." See I can pretend to be pious even all these years later! You are missing the boat. If your Muslim or JW or Evangelical friend says, hey come to my wedding, it will only cost you 10% of your income and force you to forfeit your beliefs and your conscience and your income, you would rightly feel insulted. Believers seem to really lack empathy because they are systematically taught to treat people who leave the faith as less than saints, less than human. I certainly did, because it felt good to be morally superior (and all that fear around unbelief didn't help). Now at least I am not under the illusion that I am a good person simply because of the team I am on. I hope one day your beliefs will stop getting in the way of Chirstlike love and empathy. The path of love, empathy, and acceptance is open to all, even active believers who want to remain actively believing. Also, if you don’t understand Freemasonry www.mormonthink.com/temple.htm then you won’t understand the actual doctrinal principles which actually animate the sacred ceremonies.
Love this comment
@@PureJadeKid Sorry your so jaded brother but your comment literally made me feel like i was under a medical grade hallucinogen. You got to step up your 'logic' game. First, tithing is pretty solid scripture and religion often calls faithful to make some overture or sacrifice in order to grow. If you don't believe in god or christian faith, thats cool but why the preoccupation with deriding people who do. To call something stupid or irrational without having any interest or experience in faith seems a bit dismissive if not bigoted against those who's life experience has convinced them otherwise. How about more open mindedness and tolerance and less hate. love ya brother!
It was only the high priest that got into the Holy of Holies; on one day of the year.
Had he tried to enter more than he should have-he would have been struck down dead!
The LDS church did not divide your family. How you handled your relationship with your children is what divided your family. The church teaches that you should unconditionally love your children, in spite of their decisions. As a parent, you can say, "I love you unconditionally in spite of your choices." and still keep harmony in the home. Too many blame the church for their own lack of emotional and spiritual maturity.
No it is not the Church that is separation of the family. Its the choices that the parents make. I was not able to see my son to get married. I was not angry I was so proud that they were worthy to go to the Temple, that they kept the commandments of God. The Father left the Church and he was not willing to accept the consequences. Jesus said that He would build his Church.So apparently her father chose to believe that Jesus lied.
But it's all pretend though... God isnt real.
I agree. Don’t blame the church for the bad things that happen if your life. No one has an easy life and we know that is not the purpose of life.
@@johannamartinezpardo525 Thank you yes life is not easy.
It sounds from your comment that you did not consider yourself worthy to enter the temple, hence you were proud they were worthy when you did not feel worthy. This would not cause anger as expressed here because these parents had learned for themselves the truth about the church’s hidden lies.
This discussion is about parents who learn that the founding principles of the church (including the BOM) are not based on facts as they were taught through church approved resources. You might say… They have a testimony that the church is based on lies and deceptions from Joseph Smith to current days. These are people who have studied to learn the facts rather than hiding under “it was all revealed by God” so you must accept what I believe are lies as being true because my testimony is right and yours is wrong because mine is right. Where’s truth or Christ-like love?
Do you suggest that these people who dug deep into the Mormon faith and found it’s not true for themselves should deny their testimony to be allowed to view their child’s temple weddings?
This is sharing another perspective regarding two opposing beliefs wherein one punished the other because they do not agree on their “testimonies”.
Bebe: please inform us why you watch these videos if you are an atheist.
Thank you for replying.