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The founder and CEO of Ness Corporation Naz Circosta takes us on a personal tour of the companies impressive worlds class surface mount and through hole manufacturing facility where they produce hundreds of different Ness security and automation products.
It's no every day the CEO of a major company has the technical knowledge to take you on such a tour of their own production facilities!
He shows the Yamaha SMD/SMT pick and place machines, solder stencil paste machine, flying probe testers, optical vision inspection equipment, custom test jigs, and plastic ultrasonic welding machines. And also talks about buying a $1M Objet 3D printer, and the advantages of genuine high quality Fresnel lenses vs cheap generic ones in PIR sensor performance.
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omg - you don't have to confirm every sentence of the presenter.
I think its more to say he's heard what the presenter said.
It would be quite awkward if Dave didn't say anything. And then someone would be complaining that he said nothing. Can't win!
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I love Dave, but this has me LMMFAO
This must be one of the best videos on the channel.
The CEO seemed like a genuinely nice person that knows and loves his job, and talking about it without the typical corporate / marketing BS and secrecy.
Combine that with the right questions from Dave and *boom*, pure awesomeness.
Definitely one of the best, but for me the TV Transmitter tour beats them all :)
Peter AndCat absolutely ,it was magnifficent ,amassing !
ungratefulmetalpansy i hope you're wrong... Because i still belive that only that kind of people can achieve something in this life.
Yeah, I don't think many CEOs would have mentioned they've had a 30% failure rate for a product.
@@shadow7037932 Depends on what your product is. If it is something where that failure rate may be expected, either because of how hard it is to manufacture or because of the price, it is just common sense to be open and honest. If the truth will eventually come out regardless, there is no point in lying.
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please stop interrupting the guest
Don Wald yeah
Exactly what I came here to comment.
I worked for NESS in the late 80s and Naz was a very caring gentlemen. He ran a family orientated business and truly cared for his staff, the quality of the product and the customer. Its where I first learned how to program assembly for Motorola(64HC11) and z80 (64180) architectures working as an electronic tech (thanks to a temporary journey into Malloch Digital Design and the series 200). I can attest to the fact when Naz uses statements like 'girls on the production line' he means it in the most endearing way. Great to see NESS still doing so well after all these years. A testament to great leadership and a belief in your team and product. Well done Naz.
mekatrol oriented. Orientated is not a word.
@@antney1108 dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/orientated
@@antney1108 America is not a verb.
This is absolutely incredible. It's some Transcendence level stuff, and to think a lot of that equipment is "old" hardware. I wonder what a state of the art system looks like. Kudos for this company for letting Dave have a look. I've never seen a tour like this before, but always wanted to see one. If someone knows of other tours like this they know of I'd love to watch them!
edit: would be especially interested with a tour of someone like this CEO who's extremely knowledgeable about the systems and a videographer like Dave who knows the best questions, I know this is specific, but I honestly never saw a tour like this before.
DAVE! Just let the man explain his craft! You don`t need to finish his sentences.
Still.. good video :)
A year later, I just watched one of the best walkthroughs on youtube!
I want more of these long and technical walkthroughs, were you actually learn something, and not just get fed some PR.
On top of that, a CEO who knows in detail how and what they are making, Love it!
Time for a retour soon? :)
Thank you very much for this!
verry diffacult to listen to dave shut up with yep
Best video ever. Would love to see more of this.
I wish Dave would stop butting in when the guy is trying to talk. Jeez, annoying or what.
Yep, yep, sure, yep.
yup
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hahahaha yuuuuuueeep!
Yep, noticed that, too. Humorous once you notice it (which doesn't take long).
Etymology (seriously):
yep (1889) American English, variant of yes, altered for emphasis, or possibly influenced by "nope."
nope (1888) Emphatic form of no, with emphasis on the closing of the lips.
My experience, smaller companies are the innovators. Why? Because they have to. They have to engineer themselves a reputation and design products that will captivate buyers. The big guys in many cases are riding their coat tails.
When I was 20 years old back in 1995 I was working at a small board manufacturer who made 800 - 1000 boards a month. Yes they were that small. We didn't use any automation. We printed our own boards, etched them, tin plated them and then placed each component by hand and soldered them one joint at a time. That was fun times... The closest thing to automation we had was a process (I think it was called solder dipping) where we placed all the components into a single sided board and then literally dipped the solder side into molten solder and soldered all the joints at the same time...
I kinda miss them days...
Sorry buddy, this video would have been a lot better without you shouting in the background all thru it.
I agree. Just let the guy talk.
Agreed. Could have let the guy explain without the small interruptions.
all those "yeps" Sheesh
Agreed, you can even hear/see the guy progressively getting a little frustrated. Dave, the insight you fill in is great but you gotta let the guy go into details in his own words, it seemed like you were testing his knowledge of his own fab rather than interviewing. Still a great opportunity to see the inside and inner workings of this fab.
*****
It's the first half which is the worst bit, not the testing area.
When I saw the part with the passthrough, when they looked at the stencils, I thought OK they removed a piece of the line so they could film stuff easier. I hope they get it put back before the next board comes through. And then what, an extendable transfer system!!!! Who thinks of this stuff!?
I would suggest you try and make it into a series. You know, maybe once a month or two, go there and have a more in depth discussion with Ness, or someone else from his stuff about different aspects of manufacturing. Since everything there is done in-house, there is wide range of things to talk about! From design and prototype testing, to software and user interface etc... I can easily see it being some of the most popular videos in your vlog!
Give a like if you want more of these videos!
Mmmm ......... this interview is great , but this guy is a manufacturer , not a college . May be a college should be set up along side & let this guy get back to what he sounds very enthusiastic about , manufacturing good , sorted , electronics . But it would be nice to see this as an annual event , once a year , in the grass root of manufacturing , in its undergrowth .
I would like to see his thinking on the "green" challenge & the de manufacturing of this product . Should we be looking forward to end to end manufacturing , in which this guy also has facilities to pull the kit apart again , lazer desoldering , oven flash heating with component hoovering ?
yep, yep, yep, alright, yep...
very annoying. And btw, it is VERY unprofessional and rude to answer your own questions. You need to learn how to keep your mouth shut Dave
how many vids u made, jebo te pas
yep, not all of us watching are electrical engineers, we wanna know the answers too
and stop cutting the guy off with some bullshit "got it" and the 500 million "yup"s
How is it rude? With a lot of the guy's explanations I thought yes ofcourse Dave already knows this, as do most people watching. You have to know your audience too. Dave is basically trying to show what he already knows.
Kayak Fan dave isn't there to show what he knows. he's there to interview
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Yep, yep, yep... this was a great video. While some of you were critical of Dave, let's just say he doesn't have to do these videos and you don't have to watch them. In general, a lot of people would get a lot out of the video he hosts himself or has guest hosts. As for Ness, to be honest I did not know much about his company except his product range. Now given Ness takes pride in manufacturing in Australia, I am stunned Australian politicians are not taking serious notice of him, his philosophies and his business and trying to replicating it many times over in Australia rather than outsourcing to Asia or taking in foreign workers en masse.
Dave mate, take on the advice of the many comments here, punch out the informative videos and promote Aussie engineering. In our era if we wanted to learn electronics, we had Dick Smith's, Talking Electronics, Electronics Australia, etc... one by one they are all dying out... your videos will live on... luckily for my 3yo son, when he grows up he will have some resources to look over.
I enjoyed this, and kudos for a tour I'd love to take, but please - you should have let the man talk! And for Tesla's sake, let him finish his own sentences. It really detracts from the video. I'm left with questions he was just about to explain when you chimed in with a "Yup - a (whatever)" and interrupted the flow, changed the subject. I want to hear what he has to say, not you.
This is a man who is passionate about his craft and a all round nice guy. I would love my product to use NESS pcbs
I work in the SMT, nice to see other brands of machines used.
Maybe the guy should also invest in solder paste inspection as well, might yield a better result on SMD soldering, since some of the SMD problems are caused by small paste errors in as well...
We do own a AOI system to check every pcb on paste and placement errors, might be interesting to get one of those flying probe testers as well..
Wow, very rare for a CEO to know his own stuff so in depth. Typically a CEO would NEVER agree to a walk around of the plant explaining every single process lol Good on him...that is why he is so successful. In this day and age it is refreshing to see some competence in business!
That's an immensely interesting video!
He touched a very wide variety of interesting subjects!!!!
Hats off!!!
I have no idea about the electronics manufacturing, but I found this video extremely interesting. Thank you.
What's up with the guy in the blue shirt shadowing you guys through the factory. Is he there to tackle you if you video the wrong thing?
"Hmm, I'll go around." at 47:08 hehe
Hi Dave
Thought this video was one of your best, especially as it was so connected to my place of work.
I work as a test engineer for a firm with assets that try to emulate what was in the video.
Unfortunately they don't come close although they do produce good stuff but on a budget.
I was familiar with the SMT process and was interested to notice that their test gear from YesTech was something we use but was called 'Yes Tek'
This gear was somewhat more compact, maybe an earlier design.
There is more I can say on this video and might do that in the future.
Thanks fort this.
Are you kidding me? This was just jam packed with knowledge and inspiration. IF THAT didn't make you love/appreciate the manufacturing process and what goes into it, and how good and smart and thorough processes and management CAN MAKE YOU in an industry, and make great things, beautiful/cheap/reliable things possible and consistent... WHAT WILL???
IMO Dave you cannot do TOO MANY of these types of tours.
Hell, if you wanted to start a funding campaign to pay your way to Asian countries for some type of comparison tours and to show the working conditions there... I'd be in for something like that too.
Completely agree!
11:20 CCR: Have You Ever Seen The Rain
I just get Stargate SG-1 in my head
They played that song at my Grandfather's funeral (about 10 years ago), Ive always liked that song, but now whenever I hear it I think of both Stargate SG1 and my grandfather.
I couldn't help but notice the component reel that tried to escape a few seconds later! XD
Very great tune though! An old favorite.
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and the guy puts it back so it can roll again, lay it on its side so it doesnt roll and possibly damage the components
Some EU company are moving back to some of there production to EU because the yield, quality, cost and speed. Outsourcing is not even cheap anymore, and have lots of disadvantaged. And thats not only SMT, but all kinds of products.
I like the 50fps. I can actually notice the difference and it feels a lot smoother.
60fps is even better. Especially since its a standard for digital displays.
You are back on track. Thanks for the good effort.
Do not get upset by negative comments. They could be most useful
I admire the CEO for having such an in-depth knowledge of his own facilities. He's like Elon Musk in that respect. Terrific commitment.
It's already a somewhat older video, but big big big thumbs up. Not only a must see for every engineer who is involved in this field, but also for the very good questions, documentation and mostly the extremely honest response from Ness.
I know a lot of companies who bury themselves in all kind of weird 'secrets', which may be voodoo for unknown people, but are just a big joke for the insiders.
The attitude of this company is pretty straightforward. They are not going to pretend they have weird 'special' equipment. No they just simple have the skills, know how and are smart. That's where you can make the difference, even in western countries.
To bad it's on the other side of the world for me.
You had an opportunity to NOT talk over Naz, but damn aren't you a know it all. Can I suggest you allow others to talk and not know everything. The constant 'yups' and just being a 'knowitall' ruined it for me... and I really wanted to know more.
Holy shit, I've never seen someone interrupt another person so many times. I bet he would have said something if you weren't filming.
Also, when you ask a question. Let him answer it. The constant "yup"s were also quite annoying.
Other than those issues, good video.
Still a fantastic video......would love to see Dave revisit Ness now it's 5 years later.
+EEVblog Dave bud stop saying "yep, ya, uhhah, mhmm, right" a million times. You may be trying to convey that you understand and are attentive but its extremely off-putting and rude because it makes you sound like your testing him or you already know it all. Its very hard to watch and very cringey. We love you but cut it out.
I have been using Ness gear for 3 decades, reliable, bullet proof and built with Aussie pride, thanks for the video.
Jesus, Dave! Please let the guy speak and don't interrupt with your comments.
Does there exist an economic model which allows for the vast majority of its citizens to survive on unemployment because automation, consolidation, and outsourcing demands it.
Gordon Chin More automation generally means more maintenance crew, though on a larger time scale, automation does cause a lot of unemployment, though that doesn't mean the unemployment wouldn't be there without automation
Do you suppose the people who were replaced with machines in this company were able to transfer to the maintenance crew?
Not one that has been tested. I'd look into an RBE but that's in the design stage. Also, it's very complicated to grasp as it has no referent in what we perceive as normal. I'd say your question is the million billion $ question of the 21'st century.
Gordon Chin It's possible, but not likely. Automation is generally about replacing unschooled workers with machines. Maintenance of machines requires schooled workers.
***** More automation = more maintenance crew. How is that not a contradiction? From what the numbers show, the jobs are not coming back any time soon.
Great Video Dave! Thanks... :)
I'm a fitter & turner by trade & used to work at Clipsal (Gerard Industries) in Bowden, South Australia up until 1997. I worked on mostly injection mold manufacture/maintenance, but knew the press tool guys & across most of the manufacturing process from raw materials, through to finished goods.
I spent 12.5 years at Clipsal & it was very educating. When I left they'd been using rapid prototyping for about 4 years & CNC machines for about 8 years...
It's still fascinating to me, but I'm glad I got out of it... Cheers!
I wish more CEO's were like him. Seriously a great video, really enjoyed hearing about the whole process & challenges.
SALUDOS DE JOACIN MONTOYA, INVENTOR DE ESCRITURA GLOBAL, CON UNA GRAN IDEA ELETRONICA DONDE LAS PERSONAS MUDAS BAN A PODER HABLAR.. Y POR ESTE MEDIO YO ANDO BUSCANDO UN FABRICANTE PARA MI INVNTO.. GRACIAS...
Nice guy, I really want to buy his stuff now! Ok, I don't need any...
Naz for Prez! What a great tour and such a gracious CEO to take us through. Thanks for this Dave. Love all your videos but this one is a stand out for me.
Dave! Please oh please stop saying 'yep.' It makes you seem uninterested. Other than that great video!
+Josh Forester Dave came up with some real in-depth and relevant questions at several different stages in the tour. I wouldn't say there's any indication of lost interest.
+Treddian I agree, didn't notice it much really. It's just Dave's thing. Great video :)
Did miss a talk about the board of theirs he tried to fix and what the exact part was that failed. It only came into view briefly during the tour, I think that's unfortunate
I loved the creedence's song playing in the background ahahah
the CEO is really a great guy, he knows his stuff and be really proud of his company. really great.
Awesome stuff. More power to ness and their approach to building a product to last. Very rear nowadays.
You're worse than Leo Laporte, mate. Let the man speak. :)
Fantastic stuff! Great tour - thanks Dave and thank you Naz!
Very good material. Thanks!
Great video Dave!
And thanks so much to Ness for allowing you to make the video and upload it.
It great to see some companies still have pride in their engineering.
Awesome stuff! Thanks a lot Dave & Ness! Such a great insight.
very informative, thanks for posting
Cool, I like these real world factory/facility videos.
Yep, this guy is a class act. Great video.
Fantastic plant with an awesome collection of equipment! Naz is awesome, I'm very impressed.
Dave, I love you man but you interrupt the hell out of people constantly. They can barely get a word out with your interjections and finishing their sentences. I've watched hundreds of your videos and listened to almost episode of the Amp Hour and that has always bugged me. Great video though, of course!
Fascinating!!
Very cool
But too much interrupting dude and finishing his sentences!!
Still you’re doing a fine job! Keep it up!
Motorcycles, pianos, and also pick-and-place machines, Yamaha does everything!
Really enjoyed this video. It would be great to see more plant tours similar to this one. Special thanks to the Naz for taking time to lead the tour.
hi, great documentary!
question, did i understand right that in the wave solder bath you want to try to minimize the amount of flux. why does fluy cause a problem in humid environment?
thanks
jan
Fascinating. Enjoyed that a lot.
After watching this video, I felt "Australian pride" for the first time in my life. Go Aussie go... still feels weird
Fascinating. I work in and around these machines daily, I wondered what other places might look like.
Can they not replace those CRTs with flat-screens? I fear, when he retires, some arse will come in and out source most of it.
+Steven Whiting I'm sure they could but if it's not broken...
+Treddian True but will save power using LCD and better on the workers eyes.
Fascinating! Really appreciate Naz Circosta's hospitality. It's not everyday that we can see the magic. Wonderful!
I cant believe he let you into his factory, let alone film and ask all those hard questions, well done, I will be looking for ness PIR's in the future ...
Thanks Dave for another fantastic video. Really helped me understand some of the little parts of the process I did not understand before (including the fiducial tips), and some of the equipment in there is absolutely amazing. Also happen to be doing a report on the assembly process for college and it's gave me plenty to talk about!
Thanks Naz for taking the time to show us an Aussie company doing great things here @Home and realising there's more to the cost of doing business than just finding the cheapest place to have boards built !
So many CRT screens! Why? They would save several hundred watts of power consumption by replacing them.
LCD screens have less mass, they bounce around too much. Personal experience.
I loved it! Glad you were able to make this video.
Great video! Im really interested in the flying probe system... I didnt know such things existed. I work for an avionics company. I am working on investigating how we are going to start testing all of the boards that we manufacture. I am definitely going to be investigating this.
Shit, this is more interesting than the newest blockbuster movie. And I'm not even an engineer!
Nothing short of amazing. Highly educational. Brilliant company must have a brilliant mind behind it. And being Australian is a definite signature to the good meticulous work involved. Thanks Dave.
Like My kitchen :)))) amazing factory with friendly bosses. Thanx Dave this documentary!
that pcb testing machine is mind blowing 21:34 not just the probes but the automatic mode test switching (continuity, capacitance, resistances.. etc) that are set on the fly... they bought this machine many years ago, speaking.. in 2014
Siplace SX-series machines would greatly increase their output, but then they are way more expensive than Yamaha...
This makes me want to buy something these guys built just so I can have it.
double sided board don't need to be glued to place components on both sides that method is old now in days we use a tray to cover the bottom part as it passes by the infrared red heater for SMD Parts and for wave solder there is also a tray with holes only in places where the thru hole components are located.
I got the impression a lot of their processes were a little bit old as new machines and processes must cost too much. Hence the 2nd hand equipment all over the place.
yes this machines are really expensive i worked at a foxconn facility at houston texas and some of our equipment was second handed from the mothership of china foxconn.
they wanted us to be proficient but we could never compete with the automation capabilities that the overseas company has we where making server boards for HP proliant series G7 - G8 and producing around 700 boards a day on a 3 shift production line with 2 lines with equal capacity and we where not close to a daily production with new technology mostly fully automated at the china factory the only reason they kept us here was because the main hp plant needed support for DOA and repair but after a couple of years they also moved the production down to mexico and there they did invested on brand new equipment.
so you can say we where set to fail.
It is great to see an Australian company doing so well and keeping it in Australia! Good on you Ness Corp.
As a college EE student in early 1980s, I worked a month hand placing parts at board manufacture and it was a horrible, tedious job. For slightly above minimum wage, you sat at a table of 8 people, with a 8 to 10 parts each, counting through holes, placing your parts, and passing it to the next person. Most of the workers spoke English as a second language, and majority female. After an 8 hour shift, I left with blurred vision and mentally exhausted. I greatly respected the people who did this for years and years. Glad automation has eliminated a lot of drudgry.
AOI should be automaticly behind SMT machine..AOI is first step ..not last ..
@4:26 notice that the YAMAHA logo is comprised of _3 Tuning Forks_ ,
Yamaha manufactures pianos (& other musical instruments), motorcycles , and SMT pick and place machines, now that is an extremely diverse corporation, would't you say?
i used to work at memory card technology in 99 and these guys arent ahead anywhere! to me they look like a repairshop!
+specialks1953 I'd reply to you directly but you don't' have reply on.
I think he was probably head of manufacturing and was there to help answer any questions and/or make sure his boss didn't make a fool of himself. :)
For some reason on 50p or above my playback stutters a lot and is nearly unwatchable, I know it's not this specific video because it happens on any video with 50 or 60p. The video is loading fine and I have a decent laptop (i7 haswell). Is anyone else having this issue? Open ears for any advice. Can't seem to find anything through a Google search. Flash is up to date with chrome as well. Thanks for uploading the 50p anyway Dave!
Great video. Just a suggestion: Don't talk over the person you're interviewing. All the "yeah"s and "yep"s were very distracting and unprofessional.
I'd really to see a video about the manufacture of the actual PCB (masks, etching, hole plating, etc). This was a great video about assembly, however.
This is my kind of reality TV. Thanks, Dave and Naz. ;)
Hey, I know where that is. I think I took an actuator controller there for service. It is really good to see that stuff is still MADE IN AUSTRALIA.
I would have thought by now they would have had a modern technology a lazer profile P.C.B cutting machine, which was computer controlled; instead of a crude circular saw to cut P.C.B's.
My dad bought a Ness 5000 panel for our house and then one for his shop. I got a Pro LX panel many years latter for my house with a satellite siren +. After many reliable years of use I
only recently replaced it with a D8X and ISIS satellite siren been very happy with all of them and defiantly recommend them.
That was awesome and insightful! Thanks for sharing!
Well, I'm involved with a trade that has next to nothing to do with having any knowledge of boards. Watched the entire video and found the whole process fascinating, didn't mind the Dave kicking in commentary at all. Thanks for giving us/me the inside look on a really interesting how it's made. ( Edited part- spell check fail on "with" came out as witch? )
This guy kept interupting and preventing the man from actually completing important statements. This is not the point where you show off your knowledge of the machines more than being a good interviewer and letting the subject speak. He knows what he is saying too. Talking over him is just cring and prevented me from getting useful information at key points.
that said, thanks for doing this. i'm sure youll improve too.
lol ive worked with fujis and i thpought the earthquake analogy was funny as hell