Why do you ruin a great channel with these annoying adds...every last one of your documentaries are infested with these excruciating adds ....that's why we go to you tube to avoid them unfortunately you lot can't resist them...,,,??? You surely dont need them.....
So HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN WAS NOT THE LAST WHO FOUND TROY. NEED TO READ THE ILIAD AGAIN. I GOT A NEW PASSPORT & THE REAL I.D BUT @ 80 I AM THRU YRAVELING.
Just because a fabulous story is made of a real situation doesn't mean the situation never happened. Like the Hatfields & McCoys or recent things blown out of proportion. A rich amazing city in ancient days could mean something the size of a developed county town in the Midwest of USA vs the huts & shanties of the regular Bronze Age villages.
They will a world full of people ruled by corrupted govts (bought and silenced by zionists because of greed).nothing to be proud of showing of the time we are living in.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." Although Troy was not the greatest movie ever made nor was it in accurate retelling of the Iliad, this is a great quote and most likely something Odysseus would have said. And great documentary
When I was in elementary school such a movie had an impac on me and that is partial reason why I studied cultural heritage and have always been fascinated by the trojan war and mythology in general. As much as I do recognize it's not the greatest movie in terms of "historical facts" (as much as the Iliad can be considered as "history") it had a greay impact on me and I believe on a lot of people. But documentaries such as these are necessary for sure 😊
The burial place of Achilles, the greatest hero of the Trojan War, has intrigued travelers for thousands of years. In the 4th century BCE, nearly 800 years after the conflict that inspired Homer's epic tale, Alexander the Great made a pilgrimage to the tomb at the start of his Asian Campaign. Here is a quote from Plutarch, one of the key sources on the campaigns of Alexander: "Once arrived in Asia, he (Alexander) went up to Troy, sacrificed to Athena and poured libations to the heroes of the Greek army. He smeared himself with oil and ran a race naked with his companions, as the custom is, and then crowned with a wreath the column which marks the grave of Achilles; he also remarked that Achilles was happy in having found a faithful friend while he lived and a great poet to sing of his deeds after his death" (Life of Alexander. The Roman Emperor Julian claimed to have visited the tomb at Troy in the 4th century AD. In the 15th century AD, some 1,700 years after Alexander's famous visit, another prolific warrior - Mehmed II, an Ottoman sultan who conqueror Constantinople at the age of 21 - also stopped at the tomb to pay his respects. But in modern times, historians and archaeologists have struggled to follow in the steps of Alexander and the many other ancient admirers of Achilles. The tomb has been lost.
ANTONIO FAMA read Strabo’s report on the conflict between locals in the 2nd century regarding the tomb of Akhillauos. The disagreement whether it was at the Achilleion or the Sigeion I believe.
Supposed tomb. Not only is it questionable the tomb existed but it's even more questionable Achilles existed. This is all based on a myth. Remember Achilles was supposedly son of zeus....enough said...
@@ektwrasxios first of all you need to replace "he was" with "he was said to be" as it's all mythology. Sea nymph or God of whatever who cares. You missed the point here.
I'm afraid this whole rats nest of fiction, apparently, is like looking for old west sites based on the movie the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. That old cemetery, I think its in Texas, I know Arch Stanton was from there and Blondie was from San Diego.
What if some low life from Atlantis came through and jacked their package?? Like what if the Trojans didn't have a RING doorbell to catch the thief?? No one will ever know.... 😳
Troy was a rich trade center located in an important region. This city-state actually controlled the Bosporus Straits. Troy was the "Gate for Anatolia and the Black Sea" for the Greeks.. After the Fall of Troy, the Greeks established colonies and populated Asia Minor, Pontus, Anatolia, and the Black Sea.
@Gerrit Peacock My view is that the Illiad is more what we today would call Historical Fiction. What we know of for sure, thanks to the latest finds is that during the Bronze Age Collapse a magnificent city was destroyed in a war. That collapse ushered in a dark age where even literacy was lost for centuries.
@@littledikkins2 Perhaps not unlike Shakespeare's works 'Julius Caesar' or 'Anthony and Cleopatra'. Historical fiction that is based on older accounts, and that repopularized already known stories. This, in my eyes, is most likely.
they did no such thing. They called it paeganism, and there were cults of people dedicated to serving specific paegan idols or gods in their own temples. Giaus Ceasar of the Julii, immediately upon marching into Rome was recorded as having patronized the Cult of Mars to ask for a sign of Mars' blessing that he name himself emperor.
The word "cult" has more than one definition. Cult today is a specific type of religious organization where one is not allowed to leave, and there is one leader whose word is law for all the members. The modern cult seeks to cut the member off from his family and former friends.
a cult is a relegion practice that difers from the mainstream practice, a cult of Athena like he was speaking is a branch of the main relegion dedicated exclusevly to athena, it was a cult inside the main religion of rome you had many of them
Troy is in Turkey...I've personally met the archaeologist in charge of the excavation a few years ago. He was a guest speaker at a lecture I attended at the Smithsonian and his presentation was amazing.
@C.H.A.D Bravo Actually Turks entered Anatolia in 1071 with the Battle of Manzikert and they have been there ever since. However at the time there were many other ethnic and religious groups in the region including the Byzantine Empire.
chill out, guys. The dude just said, "Troy is in Turkey". He didn't mention anything about Troy's History. I think everyone knows that Troy has nothing to do with the Turkish History or Culture.
In the early 1990ies I read Schliemann's book of his excavations and finding the treasure. In 1996 I traveled on a river cruise to Moscow and saw the golden treasure in the museum, it was magnificent and astounding.
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed"..
I think so too. Greek myths do have truth in them. Many of them may be based on historical events. Writing didn't really exist at that time - thus, they were transferred orally, which has definitely changed the story. I do believe that the Trojan War happened, and it happened in Troy (in response to ioannis mansola), but not in the way we imagine it.
At some point 1,000 ships sailed to a single war. A place to where 1,000 ships were required to conquer a people. Thats certain. As we have accounts of such great armies through out history. Inspiring the iliad? Possible. The greeks wrote many tales of their gods. Same as we do with our religions today.
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed"..
I feel fortunate that I was able to visit the location with my motorcycle! Although the public site and the museum nearby are small, I was happy to see it with my own eyes. An experience I'll never forget. Rode to Gobekli Tepe and Harran, but Troy was also on my list. I missed Efessus but thats more reason for me to go back in Turkey this year, on my motorcycle again :)
Most likely Homer did what most famous writers do - picked up a bunch of cultural ancient stories, added some salt and spice and everything nice and produced one great "epic" or two to get famous.
Having seen the ruins of Ephesus and how far that now is from the coast, makes the claim of the sea being closer to this site than now is, completely understandable.
Interesting - there is a documentary about the year 536 AD where they talk about geopolitical consequences of the Krakatoa explosion (now believed to be multiple volcanoes, one in island and another in Brazil and other places as well). Funny that the Romans turn to christianity and stop coming to Ilium at around the same time. And this is also the time when the sea recedes and pestilence and disease rage like the rest of the world. Fascinating.
Another curious occurence which has occurred in my own lifetime is; northern Africa WAS NOT all Sahara desert when I was young. There was a thick band of green verdant land around the far north west of the continent......it was thick and the Sahara was.from central Africa TOWARD the west.......something happened there when I was little and suddenly within 15 yrs the dry sand went all the way to the western coast. It was catastrophic. 😲
The most difficult thing is calculating elevation changes from continental drifts and tectonic changes of the crusts of earth. But wAter leaves remarkable evidence. However. Of all the ancient cities. There are many uncovered underneath the oceans. This location would have as likely risen as those dropped. And the ocean dried up some what. But we have a strong study n belief the ocean was much higher back then. N that contradicts these other sunken cities of the period. 1,000 years is only about 12’ difference. You’d expect an ancient account of a massive land change and earth quake. Which there are a few but they dont completely unify. We may never know for certain for as far as i know. We have no way of tracking tectonic shifts from our past. Their changes and to what degrees of centuries around this period. Proving that the ocean was simply higher and close to this location is left to discovering the one simple thing. Proof of sea life. There would be ships or wildlife remnants. Only to yet be discovered to prove these considerations
The Iliad was never performed by ancient Greek actors! It was always sung by the rapsodists like Homer! Theatre wasn't even a thing until 200 years AFTER Homer, and even then the Iliad couldn't be performed as a play, since it didn't have that form! It was an epic narrative, it didn't have parts and dialogue! That being said, all three of the great tragic poets of antiquity ( Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides) wrote many of their most famous plays based on the Iliad.
I can imagine that Homer heard these stories and like so many, these stories fired his imagination. Like so many legends there were holes he had to fill in, so he traveled to the site and the story unfolded in his mind and being a writer and maybe even a dreamer, he wanted to share it and that is where Homers' epic tales came from.
@@Harosho but unfortunatelly no dragon fossils have been found... Only a strange humanoid half the size of a man... could the kings landians have been a city of dwarfs
Well the story of Game of Thrones is based on real history of War f the Roses. And those cities were real, the people were real, the deaths and all were real. So archaeologists me dig the ancient city of York and claim they found the starks and all, I wont be surprised. This implies there really was a city that went through a disgusting war and met its end, became a legend, and is now mistook for a mythical/fictional story. So the name of the city must be different, the happenings of the war must be different, but of course something similar happened in the real world.
Trojan is a sity in Bulgarien and the History is Made from Same Elite and is Not True !! The old Zivilisation are Traki and This are Bulgarisns !! Google it ... It is Not korrekt to Tell tings what is Not True !!! Spartakus , Orpfeus is Form Bulgarien to und This is Not True about Greeck Zivilisation... and Joghurt und many other things ....
@@pOpCoRn0531 The Truth ist taff to be acceptet! Intelligenz ist to See the Fakt and Not to be ready to attack! I am Trakian ! And proud to be From Zivilisation like This ! Most englisch Talking People are Not ready to See the history and Sorry The Education Is Not to Talk 1 Language !Und read Book ONLY of This one !! 💖
Irrespective of the comments I love this community where people are trying to figure out what might have happened , much better than talking the my real frends who don't care abt history 😂
Omg I know. And I left facebook a while back cuz u could see society just slowly losing their minds even more so. And I really have found myself turning to comments in UA-cam. Lol. I tf s the most socializing I get anymore. Lol. I love a good youtube community
Whenever I watch documentaries like these, I literally wince at the damages done to ancient finds by amateur 'archaeologists' in their race to claim credits.
They didnt have modern archeological practices to adhere to, or go by! Not really a fault thing, and its entirely human to want credit for accomplishing interesting things, certainly this would be no different!
Schliemann was a dilettante and did a lot of damage, but he also recorded and published meticulously. In many ways, he pioneered modern archaeological methods.
So given the time the city was destroyed I would say it was "Sea People" which may have actually been displaced Greeks after a string of earthquakes and such around that time, and conditions causing crop issues, forcing people to essentially migrate and sack everything on the way. Troy might have been one of the first targets. Homer of course might have heard embellished stories, but he would have had no idea who attacked Troy or why 500 years earlier, only that it happened and the great city was lost.
Homer wrote his description of the Trojan war 500 years after it was to have taken place... To put that into perspective America is only 244 years old. Kinda crazy when you think k about that!
@Ramona Rael If you remove a zero, you'd have it right--> about 30 years. The late dating of the new testament by scholars is about 50-100ad. The early dating is 50-70ad. Christ is believed to have died around 30ad. The earliest quotes from new testament books are from around 100ad. No one claims they were written 300 years later.
You can- knowledge and education are within your grasp. You needn't go to an Ivy League school to have the level of education that some pay thousands to receive..with only a piece of paper signed by some other guy who paid thousands for the right to tell you you're a _________(
It's because the trade of archeology is based almost entirely on opinion ,their is no empirical truth, their never will be . these guys are a rare breed ,very self assured . So you are right ,but it isn't because they think they are better ,it's just that everyone has their own version ,a version which they've sold to their benefactors , their students and every article they have ever written. If they don't show progress ,then the money runs out . It's sad to me that archeology has more to do with research funds than fact.
It's not fantasy. Troy existed, there was just more than one city on the same spot through the centuries. However, we have dated one of the cities to the time of the Trojan War and proven that it collapsed due to war. That seems pretty evident to me that the Trojan War actually happened. Now whether or not everything Homer wrote was absolutely true is another story. However, we do know that he wrote about this city and the war that took its life. He also accurately described weapons and armor of the Trojan period that he himself would have never laid eyes upon. We know this from archaeology. Heinrich even used The Iliad to locate and find Trojan ruins. How is there no evidence that Homer's story is true?
A couple of points but I agree with sentiment. a) I believe Homer was blind and just repeating oral History in the tradition of the time.(he couldn't have seen anything) b)He says he used the Iliad for directions but his directions and sailing distances ,tides don't match to Turkey c) The description of land and climate don't match ,making many believe a northern or western European site for Troy.( No doubt the site in Turkey is more than worthy of more research but I don't think anything found so far proves it to be Troy . I read a couple of works from diff authors proposing alternate sites that fitted the directions and topography much better than the Turkish Location.( I need to go through many bookcases to see if I can find any of them to give a ref, sorry still very old school in that regard )
@@Evilroco there are many clues pointing that original Troy lies in Adriatic sea and coast,behind mountains.. after fall of Troy,Odysseus is wandering 10 years and Homer describe parts of coast and some islands in the Adriatic sea.. there is long tradition in seafarring and horse raising among this people,and for some time in history,they were called Illyrians..
every bit of "mythology" penned in ancient times was not meant to be a work of fiction, it was an historical account. It's just that modern "scientists" cannot cope with the fact how advanced ancient civilizations were, and that's why they decided to call ancient history "mythology" and pretend it never happened.
It does not matter wether the city or the war existed. The poem is beautiful and certainly based on some past war in the area. Homer invented the first love story of the past mingling with some real war that no body would cares about. Without Helen and Paris there would not have been no such interest for Troy.
"Every year thousands of tourist come to Hisarlik in the belief they are visiting the most famous sites of antiquity---" 2:28 Cue shirtless sweaty grandpa walking in the foreground.
Glad to see some people thinking of next generations. The best any generation can do, is to revive the historic buildings and use echo friendly power systems to drive the tourist trades there as well; despite of new modern buildings.It could revive history and bring it to life, with echo friendly power technology.
I was sad to find that this didn't quite reach the heights of Michael Wood's amazing documentary from 30 years ago. Despite all of the new archaeological discoveries, I've yet to find one that studies the subject in such depth.
Hisarlik is Troy. There is no doubt about it. It's been very well established. We don't know which layer corresponds to the Trojan War, or if the war even took place, but Hisarlik is unquestionably Troy. It was not, however, a wonder of the Bronze Age. In fact, it was subject to other powers during the Late Bronze Age.
He did. Schliemann had read the Iliad and compared geographic references from the book with local evidence. He only mistook the wrong layer as "the Troy"...
Def is Troy. Schleiman went to Turkey at a time when everyone thought it was a myth using the Illiad as a guide to figure out where to look, gets about where he thinks is right and asks locals "wheres Troy?" they point to where he digs, He finds a sprawling city dating back to time of the war and far earlier, complete with megalithic walls and priceless treasure. Yet, you always have people to try and find every excuse to how its not Troy because it was written about by Homer and was considered "mythology" ? I don't get it sometimes.
The odd thing about the Homer's story of Troy is that the Spartans played a major part. Yet, from archaeological evidence the Spartan's were not on the scene yet. Could the Spartans have been retrospectively written into the story?
I don't think so necessarily, the Spartans became powerful around 600BC but the Illaid in the form.we know today is thought to date to 850 BC about. It seems possible the various leaders and kings in South Greece could have been united under some kind of overall alliance with one Mycenae king under overall command of the Achaeans. We know that there were great bronze age civilisations before some kind of brionze age decline/dark age, maybe climate related. There was a resurgence though in Greece during the Iron age.
I don't agree with his argument that people don't want to accept it because they're set in their ways. Even most people set in their ways will usually eventually concede if not doing so would damage their reputation, and those who don't concede even then end up with not much reputation precisely because of it. It's probably more like: - Some don't want to accept it because it nullifies their chances of making the history books themselves for discovering Troy - Some have to keep counterarguing because if they don't they'll lose funding for their own Project Troys. - For many if not most, it's probably a bit of both.
There is no doubt the Hisarlik site is Troy/Ilion/Wilios/Wiluša(Wilusha). Ancient Greek lost the W sound the Homeric Greek had. The documentary is old. In 2018 we even know of clay tablet letters from a contemporary Hittite king to the king of the Achaeans regarding a Piyama Radu, a local king / troublemaker of Troy. The Hittite name may have been Hellenized as Priamos and Anglicized as Priam. The same one from the story. Read the Hittite King letters, the Tawagalawa letter in particular.
The problem is that the name Priamos is a Greek nickname and is subsequent. His real name was Podarkis. Priamos means bought in Greek and Piyama means gift in Hittite-Luvian. So the name was not Hellenized, but Hittitized,since the Hittites knew the subsequent nickname.
I actually like the idea that Homer creatively wrote the story of Troy because when you think about it long before Marvel, DC, Disney and the rest, Troy becomes one of the earliest franchises in existence. For all the poems, stories, books and movies that have been made and are still being made. Crazy to think what that story has raked in since being written.
Troy is in today’s turkey, not fun , I like history and discoveries and the things that happened in the past, but dealing with Muslims not fun, I wouldn’t do it.
At 37:00. Hittite treaty is mentioned. It was between Hittites and Mittanis in 1380 BC.Incidentally the Gods invoked were Indic Aryans.They were Mitra,Varuna,Indra and Nasatya.
Not sure why they didn't mention the fact the book is actually part of a series, most of which got lost. We don't know what happened during the majority of the war. Also, the Trojan horse is never described in the actual book they talk about, nor is the ending of the war. It came from some other literature written by a different authors from a much later date. I feel like everyone should know that the older stories (iliad and odyssey) are written by homer in about 1000 years BC, the rest of his works telling the whole story are lost. Some Roman follow up came around the birth of Christ and describes the actual horse and how the city was taken with it. What it also describes is how the defeated trojans came to italy and are the founders of Rome... all at a very convenient time in history for them. There is some other Greek literature which describes the events but also 1000 years after the original work. One "possible" mention was made in odyssey about the trojan horse but I am not convinced. Look I read it all and I strongly believe its just a story, about god and legends told to entertain, but you can make up your own mind. Whether or not the whole Trojan horse part is even true is actually a different discussion. I feel like when you want to make a documentary about whether or not the city of Troy actually existed, some research on the actual literature would not be a bad idea. Instead of pretending it all comes from the iliad.. maybe that was just to simplify things but to me all of the above adds enough doubt the the whole story that no way in the world I believe any of it happened. PS: Still love the doc tho, and the subject, obviously.
I'm just going out on a limb here, but im assuming most viewers are watching this on a mobile device using the UA-cam app, and thus, do not have an ad blocker. However, I do realize that there are still people who do it the old fashion way.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. A phrase I’ve heard all my life. Notwithstanding that, remarkable video. I’ve been there actually - if it’s not Troy - it’s still a marvel of antiquity . They’re getting closer all the time. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
According to the Homeric epics, Troy was a Greek city, the Trojans belonged to the Greek nation, having Greek customs, religion, names and ties of kinship and hospitality. So if we believe Homer and if we want to find Homeric Troy, we must find ruins in coasts of Asia Minor with linear A' or B' tablets.
@@PhrygianTurk We know the Trojans mainly from Homer. But all the ancient authors of the Epic Cycle agree on their Greek origin. Is there any epic that claims they were not Greek? Archaeologists and linguists also argued for linear B' and the Mycenaeans, that they were not of Greek origin, when all the ancient literature stated that they were Greeks. And in the end they drank the bitter cup.
@@wardafournello They were anatolians, luwians. And yes greeks and anatolians are related they still arent the same. Their descendants are now all in Turkey
@@PhrygianTurk Hypothetical theories. The genealogy of the royal house of the Trojans is mentioned in detail in ancient Greek mythology. The assumption that there were some minorities, Luvians or Hittites, etc. does not change anything.
I love how they have to make this dig seem more important by claiming many "experts" don't believe it's Troy. No it's not 100% certain, but it's certainly the site the ancient Greeks thought was Troy. When I earned my classics ma in the 90s that was the consensus among scholars. It's just a question of how accurately storytellers passed down memories of the events of 400 years earlier.
People are too restricted by their own insights to rationalize how everything was in the past. Even today. 50 years prior. American culture was dramatically different. To imagine 1,000 years. In a period where 3 generations may last one century at best. Less written accounts. No educational systems. In terms of today. One generation to the next its difficult to keep the definitions of words and slang consistent. In 30-50 generations of 1,000 years. Vs nature at its harshest... its astonishing that the story has survived at all.
Much research has been done recently using ground penetrating radar. Once thought to be the lower city surrounded by a ditch no military items where found in the ditch. The ditch enclosed an area found with few buildings or roads instead found in the ditch were the complete bones of a bull and many plant spores that were not native to the area. It is now thought that after the small citadel area, this was a large garden in which sacred bulls roamed, the ditch keeping them in. The common people lived in an area north to the shallow bay and west to Besik Bay. Mycenaean graves from the Bronze Age have been found in the Besik Bay Area, since unlike Homer’s story, they did not cremate their dead. There may have been tumuli around Troy but they would not have contained the bones of Achilles after 500 years The gold cache found by Schliemann is generally thought to have been collected in a number of places in the ruins not in one buried cache. There are stories about the Trojan War(s) that are older than the Iliad and also are more historically based, ones that do not contain Gods and Goddesses and and all Trojans and Greeks practicing the same rites. The Iliad also contains areas that are Bronze Age staples and Iron Age stapes. A number of the cities listed in the catalogue from Greek regions did not exist during the Bronze Age. Recent studies from the Luwian.org indicate that there may have been more than one war at Troy. A raider who constantly plundered the smaller cities of the west coast of Anatolia resembles Achilles in many respects. Also there is a letter from the Hittite king to a Prince Alexandu at Troy. This letter is hundreds of years older than our traditional date. Unlike our ancestors we have to realize that the Iliad is a great story--but not history. It contains elements of various wars, with heroes and inflated lifestyles. There is also a strong belief now that a single Homer did not exist. That the story particularly because of the many armor, rites, and religious ceremony anachronisms in both the Odyssey and Iliad that it may have been written down over a number of years by a number of imaginative authors. I would suggest readers interested in the latest information check out Luwian Studies.org for a new hypothetical map of Troy and a lot of scientific research regarding Troy’s place in the trading world of the Bronze Age. It incorporates much of the date retrieved from ground penetrating radar.
@Mike Markwell Yes, in point of fact, there's one not 50 meters from my house. Unfortunately, I couldn't find ANY clinics that specialise in "grip getting," nor do I understand why I- or anyone- might want to employ the services of such a place...
When I was a little boy in boarding school we would say - "Is this the face that launched and thousand spitballs and caused all that fighting in assembly." Then we would start brawling and the housemasters would separate us but they could not stop the division into two groups who arranged to meet on the field in front of Copethorpe Hall (the Plain of Windy Troy) and we would fight the Trojan War. My house fought with the Trojans (the topless Towers of Illion) . There were many injuries and the Nurse dreaded these encounters but even the head master, Tubby Lester, could not stop it. Sometimes we would break off for single combat which was a boxing match and then we would start fighting again. We had boys who could sew and repair our armor (House Uniforms) . I am old now but I still have scars.
They're never going to dig up a block that says this is Troy in ancient writing, all they can do is show it fits very closely the description from classical texts.
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Just because a fabulous story is made of a real situation doesn't mean the situation never happened. Like the Hatfields & McCoys or recent things blown out of proportion. A rich amazing city in ancient days could mean something the size of a developed county town in the Midwest of USA vs the huts & shanties of the regular Bronze Age villages.
People 1000 years after us will be really lucky to explore 1000 years old history on the internet. Imagine if we could.
Have we achieved anything worthy of being studied in 1000 years!?
Internet in itself is probably the biggest achievement and there are many more
People 1,000 years from now will probably be living in a sort of post-apocalypse and won't have heard of the Internet.
@@petiaivailova2563agreed
They will a world full of people ruled by corrupted govts (bought and silenced by zionists because of greed).nothing to be proud of showing of the time we are living in.
I suggest people watch the 1985 production by Michael Wood, 'In Search of the Trojan War'.
It is just plain brilliant
Yes. 6 episodes. They were great.
Nevermind the documentary. Let's hear what the real experts have to say in the comments.
ha ha everybody with their own flimsy modern tribalisms attempting to justify them through a Minoan war that may or may not have happened.
yeah
Funny AF rite there now
Sounds like a lot of othodox, stale BS to me
Hehe. Did that and found your comment first
Thanks!
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles."
Although Troy was not the greatest movie ever made nor was it in accurate retelling of the Iliad, this is a great quote and most likely something Odysseus would have said. And great documentary
When I was in elementary school such a movie had an impac on me and that is partial reason why I studied cultural heritage and have always been fascinated by the trojan war and mythology in general. As much as I do recognize it's not the greatest movie in terms of "historical facts" (as much as the Iliad can be considered as "history") it had a greay impact on me and I believe on a lot of people. But documentaries such as these are necessary for sure 😊
I've watched Troy and Alexander the Great over 50 times each lol. As long as you try to ignore the historical inaccuracies, the movies are wonderful.
l am happy to know that the city of troy was real so that the legend can live on in the hearts of people that travel there to see
arthur nas this is the whitest thing I’ve read all week
Barbie and Santa are also very real 😂
Who else is here because they enjoy mythology
It isn't about the bible.
I'm honestly here because of the movie "Troy" and how such a great story had to come from at least some real history.
instead reading bedtime stories, my parents told me these kind of stories when i was a kid. maybe thats why im watching it😂
*sweat drops* this is why i hate social studies
@@boffeycn What has to the History with the religion?
The burial place of Achilles, the greatest hero of the Trojan War, has intrigued travelers for thousands of years.
In the 4th century BCE, nearly 800 years after the conflict that inspired Homer's epic tale, Alexander the Great made a pilgrimage to the tomb at the start of his Asian Campaign.
Here is a quote from Plutarch, one of the key sources on the campaigns of Alexander:
"Once arrived in Asia, he (Alexander) went up to Troy, sacrificed to Athena and poured libations to the heroes of the Greek army. He smeared himself with oil and ran a race naked with his companions, as the custom is, and then crowned with a wreath the column which marks the grave of Achilles; he also remarked that Achilles was happy in having found a faithful friend while he lived and a great poet to sing of his deeds after his death" (Life of Alexander.
The Roman Emperor Julian claimed to have visited the tomb at Troy in the 4th century AD. In the 15th century AD, some 1,700 years after Alexander's famous visit, another prolific warrior - Mehmed II, an Ottoman sultan who conqueror Constantinople at the age of 21 - also stopped at the tomb to pay his respects.
But in modern times, historians and archaeologists have struggled to follow in the steps of Alexander and the many other ancient admirers of Achilles. The tomb has been lost.
ANTONIO FAMA read Strabo’s report on the conflict between locals in the 2nd century regarding the tomb of Akhillauos. The disagreement whether it was at the Achilleion or the Sigeion I believe.
Supposed tomb. Not only is it questionable the tomb existed but it's even more questionable Achilles existed. This is all based on a myth. Remember Achilles was supposedly son of zeus....enough said...
@@zarni000 he was not son of Zeus, he was the son of Thetis and a mortal king named Pileas
@@ektwrasxios first of all you need to replace "he was" with "he was said to be" as it's all mythology. Sea nymph or God of whatever who cares. You missed the point here.
I'm afraid this whole rats nest of fiction, apparently, is like looking for old west sites based on the movie the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. That old cemetery, I think its in Texas, I know Arch Stanton was from there and Blondie was from San Diego.
Moral of the story is never except packages into your home that you Didn’t order.🚫📦
But what about mystery seed boxes from china?
Good Answer!!
What if some low life from Atlantis came through and jacked their package?? Like what if the Trojans didn't have a RING doorbell to catch the thief?? No one will ever know.... 😳
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Actually it's beware Greeks bearing gifts.
Troy was a rich trade center located in an important region. This city-state actually controlled the Bosporus Straits.
Troy was the "Gate for Anatolia and the Black Sea" for the Greeks.. After the Fall of Troy, the Greeks established colonies and populated Asia Minor, Pontus, Anatolia, and the Black Sea.
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And don't forget the Georgia Republic are ancient Greeks.
Ok I guess you know more than the experts....
@George Washington lmao I thought you were joking....would be a funny joke...but seeing subsequent comments I laughed even harder.
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick dont you know? Jesus was Serbian as well...
The real thing is that.. After thousands of years, still their names exists Achilles, Agmamnon, Hellen etc
@Gerrit Peacock That's why it is called mythology (from the Greek word mythos for the story of the-people.
@Gerrit Peacock My view is that the Illiad is more what we today would call Historical Fiction. What we know of for sure, thanks to the latest finds is that during the Bronze Age Collapse a magnificent city was destroyed in a war. That collapse ushered in a dark age where even literacy was lost for centuries.
Names truly echo through the halls of eternity. 👍
@@nikosgrigorakos from the sound of your last name.... I'm going to guess you descend from the Mediterranean area... possibly... Greece? Macedonia???
@@littledikkins2 Perhaps not unlike Shakespeare's works 'Julius Caesar' or 'Anthony and Cleopatra'. Historical fiction that is based on older accounts, and that repopularized already known stories. This, in my eyes, is most likely.
Thanks
Funny how we call ancient religions cults, and modern cults religion.
This. Totally.
they did no such thing. They called it paeganism, and there were cults of people dedicated to serving specific paegan idols or gods in their own temples. Giaus Ceasar of the Julii, immediately upon marching into Rome was recorded as having patronized the Cult of Mars to ask for a sign of Mars' blessing that he name himself emperor.
The word "cult" has more than one definition. Cult today is a specific type of religious organization where one is not allowed to leave, and there is one leader whose word is law for all the members. The modern cult seeks to cut the member off from his family and former friends.
a cult is a relegion practice that difers from the mainstream practice, a cult of Athena like he was speaking is a branch of the main relegion dedicated exclusevly to athena, it was a cult inside the main religion of rome you had many of them
72Yonatan Very true. So scary these groups hide n isolate people to manipulate minds n lives.
This is just fascinating. ❤
Troy is in Turkey...I've personally met the archaeologist in charge of the excavation a few years ago. He was a guest speaker at a lecture I attended at the Smithsonian and his presentation was amazing.
Liz Tukenmez Turkey was Greek at the time of Troy. Turks didn't arrive yet
@C.H.A.D Bravo Actually Turks entered Anatolia in 1071 with the Battle of Manzikert and they have been there ever since. However at the time there were many other ethnic and religious groups in the region including the Byzantine Empire.
chill out, guys.
The dude just said, "Troy is in Turkey". He didn't mention anything about Troy's History. I think everyone knows that Troy has nothing to do with the Turkish History or Culture.
Greeks had conquered that part of Turkey.
@@ArjanTV hahahahaha
In the early 1990ies I read Schliemann's book of his excavations and finding the treasure. In 1996 I traveled on a river cruise to Moscow and saw the golden treasure in the museum, it was magnificent and astounding.
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed"..
How did Russia get it?
Pictures or it just Bovine Excrement!
Why is it in Russia
@@Bonnyladdadventures they took it was war booty.
Sometimes true stories are much more unbelievable than fantasy. So that means that the iliad might have some truth to it and possibly really happened.
Yes .... but elsewhere
I think so too. Greek myths do have truth in them. Many of them may be based on historical events. Writing didn't really exist at that time - thus, they were transferred orally, which has definitely changed the story. I do believe that the Trojan War happened, and it happened in Troy (in response to ioannis mansola), but not in the way we imagine it.
At some point 1,000 ships sailed to a single war. A place to where 1,000 ships were required to conquer a people. Thats certain. As we have accounts of such great armies through out history. Inspiring the iliad? Possible. The greeks wrote many tales of their gods. Same as we do with our religions today.
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed"..
I feel fortunate that I was able to visit the location with my motorcycle!
Although the public site and the museum nearby are small, I was happy to see it with my own eyes. An experience I'll never forget.
Rode to Gobekli Tepe and Harran, but Troy was also on my list. I missed Efessus but thats more reason for me to go back in Turkey this year, on my motorcycle again :)
Very much so! My wife was not as impressed as my motorcycle.
Good for you. I certainly envy you, perhaps not going on the bike but having visited the sites.
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick lol
Massive blunder at 6:10
Iliad ends with death of Hector, much earlier than the Trojan Horse story.
It also refers to Helen as a princess of Sparta rather than a queen.
Historians now think Hector and Ajax were from an earlier tale based on their armor and shield descriptions.
Most likely Homer did what most famous writers do - picked up a bunch of cultural ancient stories, added some salt and spice and everything nice and produced one great "epic" or two to get famous.
Having seen the ruins of Ephesus and how far that now is from the coast, makes the claim of the sea being closer to this site than now is, completely understandable.
Interesting - there is a documentary about the year 536 AD where they talk about geopolitical consequences of the Krakatoa explosion (now believed to be multiple volcanoes, one in island and another in Brazil and other places as well). Funny that the Romans turn to christianity and stop coming to Ilium at around the same time. And this is also the time when the sea recedes and pestilence and disease rage like the rest of the world. Fascinating.
Another curious occurence which has occurred in my own lifetime is; northern Africa WAS NOT all Sahara desert when I was young. There was a thick band of green verdant land around the far north west of the continent......it was thick and the Sahara was.from central Africa TOWARD the west.......something happened there when I was little and suddenly within 15 yrs the dry sand went all the way to the western coast. It was catastrophic. 😲
The most difficult thing is calculating elevation changes from continental drifts and tectonic changes of the crusts of earth. But wAter leaves remarkable evidence. However. Of all the ancient cities. There are many uncovered underneath the oceans. This location would have as likely risen as those dropped. And the ocean dried up some what. But we have a strong study n belief the ocean was much higher back then. N that contradicts these other sunken cities of the period. 1,000 years is only about 12’ difference. You’d expect an ancient account of a massive land change and earth quake. Which there are a few but they dont completely unify. We may never know for certain for as far as i know. We have no way of tracking tectonic shifts from our past. Their changes and to what degrees of centuries around this period. Proving that the ocean was simply higher and close to this location is left to discovering the one simple thing. Proof of sea life. There would be ships or wildlife remnants. Only to yet be discovered to prove these considerations
The Iliad was never performed by ancient Greek actors! It was always sung by the rapsodists like Homer! Theatre wasn't even a thing until 200 years AFTER Homer, and even then the Iliad couldn't be performed as a play, since it didn't have that form! It was an epic narrative, it didn't have parts and dialogue! That being said, all three of the great tragic poets of antiquity ( Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides) wrote many of their most famous plays based on the Iliad.
Bravo!
Iliad was created by homer!!
he is treating the Illiad a bit roughshot, the Illiad was not about of Troy, but about the hissifit of Achilles.
Iliad wasnt created by Homer ,even they say that ..iliad is PELASGO -THRACO ,two of Homer ’s teachers were Thrachians ….this is a STOLEN HISTORY !!!!
@@AlinnaIrimia not stolen. Simply passed on as a tale. Homer can't help that historians credit him with writing it.
I can imagine that Homer heard these stories and like so many, these stories fired his imagination. Like so many legends there were holes he had to fill in, so he traveled to the site and the story unfolded in his mind and being a writer and maybe even a dreamer, he wanted to share it and that is where Homers' epic tales came from.
Doh!
Absolutely.
Sooooo interesting! I hope that ancient shoreline is studied further.
couple tousand years into the future "we found the lost city of Kings Landing"
haha well done
Sure it’s located in Croatia lol
@@Harosho but unfortunatelly no dragon fossils have been found... Only a strange humanoid half the size of a man... could the kings landians have been a city of dwarfs
Well the story of Game of Thrones is based on real history of War f the Roses. And those cities were real, the people were real, the deaths and all were real. So archaeologists me dig the ancient city of York and claim they found the starks and all, I wont be surprised. This implies there really was a city that went through a disgusting war and met its end, became a legend, and is now mistook for a mythical/fictional story. So the name of the city must be different, the happenings of the war must be different, but of course something similar happened in the real world.
😂
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They got their gold jewelry from Africa.
I think they're fantasizing about this being Troy. They are insisting this is Troy. They are depicting modern images. Causing confusion.
Can you please increase the volume on your uploads? They are somewhat quiet. Excellent content. Thank you so much for the documentaries.
Just figured I'd let you know the app doesn't work. It was very disappointing to find out. I guess I'm sticking with just curiosity.
simply stunning documentary. one if not the best i have ever watched. thank you deply
I am not an expert on this subject, but found this video a good piece of the puzzle of human history.
Totally Beautiful..awesome film images are amazing to see.Thank you so so much for everything..
I think there’s a documentary in your add
There's also an adblocker in your apps
Skip to the end of the video then press watch again.
James Glen Lol doesn’t work
@@stephenmartin5766 It works for me on my android but not my iphone. I have no clue why.
😂😂😂😂
This was a good documentary, thank you, thoroughly enjoyed it 😊
The Trojan Horse is the ancient equivalent of the glitter bomb package pranks.
Trojan is a sity in Bulgarien and the History is Made from Same Elite and is Not True !! The old Zivilisation are Traki and This are Bulgarisns !! Google it ... It is Not korrekt to Tell tings what is Not True !!! Spartakus , Orpfeus is Form Bulgarien to und This is Not True about Greeck Zivilisation... and Joghurt und many other things ....
@@mariablawatzky6103 I'd like to NOT have what you're on brother.
@@pOpCoRn0531 The Truth ist taff to be acceptet! Intelligenz ist to See the Fakt and Not to be ready to attack! I am Trakian ! And proud to be From Zivilisation like This ! Most englisch Talking People are Not ready to See the history and Sorry The Education Is Not to Talk 1 Language !Und read Book ONLY of This one !! 💖
they got rick rolled
Irrespective of the comments I love this community where people are trying to figure out what might have happened , much better than talking the my real frends who don't care abt history 😂
These are a joy to watch. Myself, I watch and listen with a healthy dose of skepticism...👍
BTW, it's a shame about your irl friends not being interested..
I love listening to them as well. Good on you 🙏🙏🙏🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Omg I know. And I left facebook a while back cuz u could see society just slowly losing their minds even more so. And I really have found myself turning to comments in UA-cam. Lol. I tf s the most socializing I get anymore. Lol. I love a good youtube community
@@amberinthebox4462 same! Facebook got really boring these days
History gets so janky that far before B.C. I love it
That is why it is called pre-history, it was before they recorded everyday life and events.
The Iliad - Achilles 🇬🇷
The Mahabharata - Karna 🇮🇳
Most skilled warriors of all time 🙏🏻
Whenever I watch documentaries like these, I literally wince at the damages done to ancient finds by amateur 'archaeologists' in their race to claim credits.
They didnt have modern archeological practices to adhere to, or go by! Not really a fault thing, and its entirely human to want credit for accomplishing interesting things, certainly this would be no different!
Schliemann was a dilettante and did a lot of damage, but he also recorded and published meticulously. In many ways, he pioneered modern archaeological methods.
True, but they were pioneers & formed the basis for what the field is now.
Then you would hate Aussie palentologists(dinosaurs) They use dynamite..to find stuff..we got glue.
How can somebody damage the stones ?
So given the time the city was destroyed I would say it was "Sea People" which may have actually been displaced Greeks after a string of earthquakes and such around that time, and conditions causing crop issues, forcing people to essentially migrate and sack everything on the way. Troy might have been one of the first targets.
Homer of course might have heard embellished stories, but he would have had no idea who attacked Troy or why 500 years earlier, only that it happened and the great city was lost.
Lost Worlds: Troy (Ancient history documentary) is amazing! I truly did appreciate it so much! Thanks a lot for sharing!
Thanks for this upload...
Homer wrote his description of the Trojan war 500 years after it was to have taken place... To put that into perspective America is only 244 years old. Kinda crazy when you think k about that!
They really have no clue at all how old America is or this planet
Jeremy Kirkpatrick I guarantee you they don’t they be guessing this planet and humans are old as the dirt 😂😂 sike
B Nizzle and I don’t have time to go back and forward with slowness
@Ramona Rael If you remove a zero, you'd have it right--> about 30 years.
The late dating of the new testament by scholars is about 50-100ad. The early dating is 50-70ad. Christ is believed to have died around 30ad. The earliest quotes from new testament books are from around 100ad.
No one claims they were written 300 years later.
@@marleneglamworld1452 Um, I think he is referring to the USA, not the actual land, lol.
I was really surprised he let his wife wear the ancient jewelry, That:s something we wouldn't do nowadays. It is kind of sweet though.
It is sweet until you consider that Schliemann destroyed the sites above the location of the jewelry.
When your rich you do what you want lol
I just saw a dude wearing a California Raisins shirt.
How old is this documentary?
Button Mashing Queen Another post said Korfman died in 2005...so....
Ancient 😂
It's on UA-cam - they no longer allow current info -
@@bethbartlett5692 😂😂😂
Obviously quite old as guy is talking about Yugoslavia
Yessir! Love it!
I wish I could “self proclaim” myself an archeologist too 😀
i mean, you can. Grab a shovel, put on a cool desert hat and say "i'm an archeologist". bamm, self-proclaimed archeologist.
Go on...get digging then 😂😂😂
Nah I will just self proclaim myself achilles and put an end to this whole matter.
You can- knowledge and education are within your grasp. You needn't go to an Ivy League school to have the level of education that some pay thousands to receive..with only a piece of paper signed by some other guy who paid thousands for the right to tell you you're a _________(
@@wrongturnVfor If you're gonna be Achilles, be sure you wear a really tough pair of boots.
i hate that these docs are always only about the archaeologists, and their story. not the site
Tom Jones yeah right, they’re always about their opinions and not just facts and science that can be factually proven.
It's because the trade of archeology is based almost entirely on opinion ,their is no empirical truth, their never will be . these guys are a rare breed ,very self assured . So you are right ,but it isn't because they think they are better ,it's just that everyone has their own version ,a version which they've sold to their benefactors , their students and every article they have ever written. If they don't show progress ,then the money runs out . It's sad to me that archeology has more to do with research funds than fact.
Yep and they are all in for the money...meager as it is..They want fame.
Michael Wood did this topic so much better back in the 80s.
Yeah, they're only the people that dig the site. What?
It's not fantasy. Troy existed, there was just more than one city on the same spot through the centuries. However, we have dated one of the cities to the time of the Trojan War and proven that it collapsed due to war. That seems pretty evident to me that the Trojan War actually happened. Now whether or not everything Homer wrote was absolutely true is another story. However, we do know that he wrote about this city and the war that took its life. He also accurately described weapons and armor of the Trojan period that he himself would have never laid eyes upon. We know this from archaeology. Heinrich even used The Iliad to locate and find Trojan ruins. How is there no evidence that Homer's story is true?
Chrsi Aldridge: I agree, absolutely.
A couple of points but I agree with sentiment.
a) I believe Homer was blind and just repeating oral History in the tradition of the time.(he couldn't have seen anything)
b)He says he used the Iliad for directions but his directions and sailing distances ,tides don't match to Turkey
c) The description of land and climate don't match ,making many believe a northern or western European site for Troy.(
No doubt the site in Turkey is more than worthy of more research but I don't think anything found so far proves it to be Troy .
I read a couple of works from diff authors proposing alternate sites that fitted the directions and topography much better than the Turkish Location.( I need to go through many bookcases to see if I can find any of them to give a ref, sorry still very old school in that regard )
@@Evilroco there are many clues pointing that original Troy lies in Adriatic sea and coast,behind mountains..
after fall of Troy,Odysseus is wandering 10 years and Homer describe parts of coast and some islands in the Adriatic sea..
there is long tradition in seafarring and horse raising among this people,and for some time in history,they were called Illyrians..
every bit of "mythology" penned in ancient times was not meant to be a work of fiction, it was an historical account. It's just that modern "scientists" cannot cope with the fact how advanced ancient civilizations were, and that's why they decided to call ancient history "mythology" and pretend it never happened.
No one is more intractable than entrenched archeologists.
It does not matter wether the city or the war existed. The poem is beautiful and certainly based on some past war in the area. Homer invented the first love story of the past mingling with some real war that no body would cares about. Without Helen and Paris there would not have been no such interest for Troy.
Incredible Video!!!
Today, I'm still waiting for those who can find Atlantis.
🙂👌
It's found
Look up the richat structure
I say look it up they found a place that matches the details of the city in Africa
Plato made up Troy as a cautionary tale for Athens.
This was long before the Vikings, long before King Arthur and long before the Romans. Truly facinating
Yeah, long ago fella. It's anyone's guess what sheet means.
Read The Lost Book of Enki
@@theloner6063 Don't be silly now. How can I read something that is lost. Switch on mate.
These trojan(hisarlik) designs of jewlry and clothes still in use in fashion industry n commoners. Amazing.
"Every year thousands of tourist come to Hisarlik in the belief they are visiting the most famous sites of antiquity---"
2:28 Cue shirtless sweaty grandpa walking in the foreground.
Glad to see some people thinking of next generations. The best any generation can do, is to revive the historic buildings and use echo friendly power systems to drive the tourist trades there as well; despite of new modern buildings.It could revive history and bring it to life, with echo friendly power technology.
Very interesting documentary. I found the information of use and value.
I was sad to find that this didn't quite reach the heights of Michael Wood's amazing documentary from 30 years ago. Despite all of the new archaeological discoveries, I've yet to find one that studies the subject in such depth.
Whether it's Troy or not, it's very interesting.
Hisarlik is Troy. There is no doubt about it. It's been very well established. We don't know which layer corresponds to the Trojan War, or if the war even took place, but Hisarlik is unquestionably Troy.
It was not, however, a wonder of the Bronze Age. In fact, it was subject to other powers during the Late Bronze Age.
Yeah calvert then scheliman forgive the spelling of the Germans name sorted that a century n a half ago
He did. Schliemann had read the Iliad and compared geographic references from the book with local evidence. He only mistook the wrong layer as "the Troy"...
Def is Troy. Schleiman went to Turkey at a time when everyone thought it was a myth using the Illiad as a guide to figure out where to look, gets about where he thinks is right and asks locals "wheres Troy?" they point to where he digs, He finds a sprawling city dating back to time of the war and far earlier, complete with megalithic walls and priceless treasure. Yet, you always have people to try and find every excuse to how its not Troy because it was written about by Homer and was considered "mythology" ? I don't get it sometimes.
oh yes.Before Mongols took it.
MrMethadrine False it was abandoned in 500 A.D due to Constantinople. Mongols invades around 1100 A.D
Wonderful documentry
Great vid thanks.
The odd thing about the Homer's story of Troy is that the Spartans played a major part. Yet, from archaeological evidence the Spartan's were not on the scene yet. Could the Spartans have been retrospectively written into the story?
I don't think so necessarily, the Spartans became powerful around 600BC but the Illaid in the form.we know today is thought to date to 850 BC about. It seems possible the various leaders and kings in South Greece could have been united under some kind of overall alliance with one Mycenae king under overall command of the Achaeans.
We know that there were great bronze age civilisations before some kind of brionze age decline/dark age, maybe climate related. There was a resurgence though in Greece during the Iron age.
Not enough documentary in this commercial.
I don't agree with his argument that people don't want to accept it because they're set in their ways. Even most people set in their ways will usually eventually concede if not doing so would damage their reputation, and those who don't concede even then end up with not much reputation precisely because of it. It's probably more like:
- Some don't want to accept it because it nullifies their chances of making the history books themselves for discovering Troy
- Some have to keep counterarguing because if they don't they'll lose funding for their own Project Troys.
- For many if not most, it's probably a bit of both.
mehh....debatable cuz highly speculative
How an amazing Discover
The city of troy.
There is no doubt the Hisarlik site is Troy/Ilion/Wilios/Wiluša(Wilusha). Ancient Greek lost the W sound the Homeric Greek had. The documentary is old.
In 2018 we even know of clay tablet letters from a contemporary Hittite king to the king of the Achaeans regarding a Piyama Radu, a local king / troublemaker of Troy. The Hittite name may have been Hellenized as Priamos and Anglicized as Priam. The same one from the story.
Read the Hittite King letters, the Tawagalawa letter in particular.
The problem is that the name Priamos is a Greek nickname and is subsequent.
His real name was Podarkis.
Priamos means bought in Greek and Piyama means gift in Hittite-Luvian.
So the name was not Hellenized, but Hittitized,since the Hittites knew the subsequent nickname.
@@wardafournello What do you mean? How could the Hittites have retrospectively named it?
Calling Schliemann an archaeologist is a ginormous stretch.
more of an Indiana Jones like tombrobber.
oh sorry Indiana Jones has Schliemann as inspiration.
Call archaeology a science is an even bigger stretch.
I actually like the idea that Homer creatively wrote the story of Troy because when you think about it long before Marvel, DC, Disney and the rest, Troy becomes one of the earliest franchises in existence. For all the poems, stories, books and movies that have been made and are still being made. Crazy to think what that story has raked in since being written.
History is my favorite subject during m high school days.now im studying again.ty for ur program.its very great.
Troy is in today’s turkey, not fun , I like history and discoveries and the things that happened in the past, but dealing with Muslims not fun, I wouldn’t do it.
A most interesting post I always enjoy Timeline
WHERE THERES SMOKE THERE IS FIRE a grain of truth behind the old tales
Thank you very much for sharing this your great and wonderful work. altc
"The location in question is miles from the sea".....yeah and it was the same with thermopolyae thousands of years ago too!
At 37:00. Hittite treaty is mentioned. It was between Hittites and Mittanis in 1380 BC.Incidentally the Gods invoked were Indic Aryans.They were Mitra,Varuna,Indra and Nasatya.
the documentary is really disturbing the ads…..
Not sure why they didn't mention the fact the book is actually part of a series, most of which got lost. We don't know what happened during the majority of the war. Also, the Trojan horse is never described in the actual book they talk about, nor is the ending of the war. It came from some other literature written by a different authors from a much later date.
I feel like everyone should know that the older stories (iliad and odyssey) are written by homer in about 1000 years BC, the rest of his works telling the whole story are lost. Some Roman follow up came around the birth of Christ and describes the actual horse and how the city was taken with it. What it also describes is how the defeated trojans came to italy and are the founders of Rome... all at a very convenient time in history for them. There is some other Greek literature which describes the events but also 1000 years after the original work.
One "possible" mention was made in odyssey about the trojan horse but I am not convinced. Look I read it all and I strongly believe its just a story, about god and legends told to entertain, but you can make up your own mind. Whether or not the whole Trojan horse part is even true is actually a different discussion.
I feel like when you want to make a documentary about whether or not the city of Troy actually existed, some research on the actual literature would not be a bad idea. Instead of pretending it all comes from the iliad.. maybe that was just to simplify things but to me all of the above adds enough doubt the the whole story that no way in the world I believe any of it happened.
PS: Still love the doc tho, and the subject, obviously.
Everyone in the comments complain about ads and I'm sitting here with adblocker and no ads >_>
Ads? which ones? 🤣
Ad blocker?
Well I just skip the video to the end and then I press the arrow circle and... Magic all ads gone :)
I'm just going out on a limb here, but im assuming most viewers are watching this on a mobile device using the UA-cam app, and thus, do not have an ad blocker.
However, I do realize that there are still people who do it the old fashion way.
@@histguy101 Good assumption good sire!
Very good
it's getting less and less enjoyable to watch videos on youtube because of commercials
Great work guy's fascinating...
around of applause for mr Coffman !!!!
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. A phrase I’ve heard all my life. Notwithstanding that, remarkable video. I’ve been there actually - if it’s not Troy - it’s still a marvel of antiquity . They’re getting closer all the time. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Φόβου τους Δαναούς και δώρα φέροντες 😂
I've been to the ancient city of Troy in northwestern Turkey.
Be sure to look a gift horse in the mouth.
I kept waiting for him to say that experts weren't even sure if Homer himself existed.
Why would i lick A gift horse in the mouth ? Ewwwwww
History is all we really have.
According to the Homeric epics, Troy was a Greek city, the Trojans belonged to the Greek nation, having Greek customs, religion, names and ties of kinship and hospitality. So if we believe Homer and if we want to find Homeric Troy, we must find ruins in coasts of Asia Minor with linear A' or B' tablets.
Nope they clearly didnt identify as greeks
@@PhrygianTurk
We know the Trojans mainly from Homer. But all the ancient authors of the Epic Cycle agree on their Greek origin.
Is there any epic that claims they were not Greek?
Archaeologists and linguists also argued for linear B' and the Mycenaeans, that they were not of Greek origin, when all the ancient literature stated that they were Greeks.
And in the end they drank the bitter cup.
@@wardafournello They were anatolians, luwians. And yes greeks and anatolians are related they still arent the same. Their descendants are now all in Turkey
@@PhrygianTurk Hypothetical theories.
The genealogy of the royal house of the Trojans is mentioned in detail in ancient Greek mythology. The assumption that there were some minorities, Luvians or Hittites, etc. does not change anything.
@@wardafournello Except it isnt. They just were hellenized like other anatolians. Where did you even get hittites from
Great history .
The lead archaeologist calls it Troy in the 4th minute... Well, that's it. :-)
28:44 lol look at the soldier on the right, he hurt his hand doing fake sword fighting that was half-hearted.
I love how they have to make this dig seem more important by claiming many "experts" don't believe it's Troy. No it's not 100% certain, but it's certainly the site the ancient Greeks thought was Troy. When I earned my classics ma in the 90s that was the consensus among scholars.
It's just a question of how accurately storytellers passed down memories of the events of 400 years earlier.
People are too restricted by their own insights to rationalize how everything was in the past. Even today. 50 years prior. American culture was dramatically different. To imagine 1,000 years. In a period where 3 generations may last one century at best. Less written accounts. No educational systems. In terms of today. One generation to the next its difficult to keep the definitions of words and slang consistent. In 30-50 generations of 1,000 years. Vs nature at its harshest... its astonishing that the story has survived at all.
Heinrich schlieman enters chat...
Hi guys! I found the city of troy a century ago!
Much research has been done recently using ground penetrating radar. Once thought to be the lower city surrounded by a ditch no military items where found in the ditch. The ditch enclosed an area found with few buildings or roads instead found in the ditch were the complete bones of a bull and many plant spores that were not native to the area. It is now thought that after the small citadel area, this was a large garden in which sacred bulls roamed, the ditch keeping them in. The common people lived in an area north to the shallow bay and west to Besik Bay. Mycenaean graves from the Bronze Age have been found in the Besik Bay Area, since unlike Homer’s story, they did not cremate their dead. There may have been tumuli around Troy but they would not have contained the bones of Achilles after 500 years The gold cache found by Schliemann is generally thought to have been collected in a number of places in the ruins not in one buried cache.
There are stories about the Trojan War(s) that are older than the Iliad and also are more historically based, ones that do not contain Gods and Goddesses and and all Trojans and Greeks practicing the same rites. The Iliad also contains areas that are Bronze Age staples and Iron Age stapes. A number of the cities listed in the catalogue from Greek regions did not exist during the Bronze Age. Recent studies from the Luwian.org indicate that there may have been more than one war at Troy. A raider who constantly plundered the smaller cities of the west coast of Anatolia resembles Achilles in many respects. Also there is a letter from the Hittite king to a Prince Alexandu at Troy. This letter is hundreds of years older than our traditional date.
Unlike our ancestors we have to realize that the Iliad is a great story--but not history. It contains elements of various wars, with heroes and inflated lifestyles. There is also a strong belief now that a single Homer did not exist. That the story particularly because of the many armor, rites, and religious ceremony anachronisms in both the Odyssey and Iliad that it may have been written down over a number of years by a number of imaginative authors. I would suggest readers interested in the latest information check out Luwian Studies.org for a new hypothetical map of Troy and a lot of scientific research regarding Troy’s place in the trading world of the Bronze Age. It incorporates much of the date retrieved from ground penetrating radar.
Awesome documentary! On a side note... how do I get jobs to film the drone shots for a documentary like this? That would be my calling for sure!
The treasure could of been hundreds years old when prium had it, nothing wrong with a bit of antique jewels look at British crown jewellery,
But the thing is, the treasure was found in the oldest layer of the city. Meaning it would’ve been underneath Priams feet
British crown have diamond looted from India by force
"could of"?? Do you really speak that way? You actually say "Could of/ would of/ should of???"
Amit Kumar Singh lol
@Mike Markwell
Yes, in point of fact, there's one not 50 meters from my house. Unfortunately, I couldn't find ANY clinics that specialise in "grip getting," nor do I understand why I- or anyone- might want to employ the services of such a place...
When I was a little boy in boarding school we would say - "Is this the face that launched and thousand spitballs and caused all that fighting in assembly." Then we would start brawling and the housemasters would separate us but they could not stop the division into two groups who arranged to meet on the field in front of Copethorpe Hall (the Plain of Windy Troy) and we would fight the Trojan War. My house fought with the Trojans (the topless Towers of Illion) . There were many injuries and the Nurse dreaded these encounters but even the head master, Tubby Lester, could not stop it. Sometimes we would break off for single combat which was a boxing match and then we would start fighting again. We had boys who could sew and repair our armor (House Uniforms) . I am old now but I still have scars.
JoachimderZweite
Such fun.
I can't believe they're actually saying that Troy's existence and location are in doubt. Makes me wonder where they get some of this stuff from
Until the excavation this fil is documenting, its location was uncertain.
They're never going to dig up a block that says this is Troy in ancient writing, all they can do is show it fits very closely the description from classical texts.
Amazing documentary
the trojan war occured during the "times of troubles" in egypt, and the exodus
The infamous time of the "Sea peoples"
This is a Very interesting question did Troy Actually Excite I Enjoy Watching Videos on My UA-cam in any particular Part of History I've Actually Seen a Painting done on the Battlefield of Troy in all places a Greek Restaurant here in Fairbanks Alaska It
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Troy=Land in Albanian language.
@@adelinadokja8310 I've studied a Great deal of History From Egyptianotalgy Greek Roman influence through European history I don't question people of there understand of History okay
I believe this Troy!
Terry Rodbourn
Me too
Do you know what means troy ?
The documentary interrupting the commercials was really annoying