Finally on the DYNO + FMIC! Audi A6 BiTDI Project!
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The long awaited A6 tuning session!
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Ryan reliably coming through with the Sunday funday content like a boss 👌🏽
I just dropped my transporter to Darkside yesterday can’t wait to see what it’s like after they’ve done a few upgrades
Nice one! It's a nice one!
204hp, will be about 250hp!
Love these vids don’t understand it but still brill.
Lol needs subtitles for people abroad 🤣
Starts with -Right then.
I'm loving the beep, every time I hear it I think oh the bloody dishwasher needs emptying. Then I realise it's on your vid, ANOTHER OF YOUR LOVELY VIDS cheers to you all.
Amazing content as usual👍I like how you guys explain everything in details and not only talking about numbers but also reliability of the car.Thumbs up Darkside😁👍
Reyt then!!
Literally waiting for a A6 to get inspected by rac. Interestwd to find out what you guys can make happen
I enjoyed this episode. I can’t wait for the rest of this series. It would be interesting to see what difference the DPF delete makes on power on this tune before the hybrid turbo upgrade. The results of this project will decide what I quote for you to do to mine!
Without DPF you can extract ~410hp before running in temp limiters again.
@@SSC0815 that's simply not true
@@ryanp6138 How much rail pressure are you running? What are your results? In my exp. even with 2.2k rail pressure run 900deg (safe limit before fuel is taken out) which results in around 410 - 420hp / 900nm.
@@ryanp6138 Adapted my post -> wrote "without" but meant "before". You will face temp probs even without dpf real quicl again. Sry englisch is not my mothers tongue. Im sure you cant answer on that xD but im wondering how JD for e.g. claims to extract 450hp with wagner, rs6 air box and filter only. Imo fake.
@@SSC0815 Correct JD are pulling figures out of their arse.
Love your work guys!!
Loved the episode Ryan, I really enjoy seeing the small changes making differences or sometimes making things even worse. 25:1 afr and you're making 370 hp, even when going to lowest safe afr (16:1 and without dpf maybe) you still would only gain 20ish HP?
I'll do a test next time, I think the lambda sensor might be reading a bit lean
Miss mine, hope your having fun with it, if you've even touched it (Audi A6 Avant) really wanted mine to go through this after you did the testing but unfortunately it wasn't to be
Still enjoy these vids either way and I will continue watching
Its on the road now with a new engine, got it built and the starter was dead so lots of bits back off to sort that and then the MMI stopped working! haha
That's good and not so good, hope you manage to get to the bottom of the new problems but at least one big problem is out the way and it runs now
Did you ever find any more damage when stripping the engine?
@@samgretton Starter was repaired locally and we have got to the bottom of the MMI issues. The BOSE Amplifier is the issue, the system all communicates with fibre wiring, so 1 item/module fails the whole system goes down, frustrating!! lol. We have not yet had the time to strip the engine at the moment, but the car is running fine with a few exhaust mods :)
@@DarksideDevelopments you know the right people and you have a lot of talent, it's not taken that long to sort great stuff, would still be interested to know what other damage was caused in the old engine, it's a shame I didn't have the money to spend on it at the time, and my replacement is no where near as nice, currently driving a Volvo V50 so slight downgrade
But it's good to know you made good of what I left you with great work
I've done the air box mod using a sofet board round vent (No I'm not joking) ... I'm interested to see the next installment and see the MAF readings...🤔
same way🤣
My Labrador hates your videos thanks to that beep 😂
Can't wait the ability to order parts for my A6 TDI from you.
What's stopping you?
@@DarksideDevelopments being in the USA, still haven't found a good one and need to sell the A4 2.0t.
Reyt then, love it!
Looking forward to seeing how the air box mod works would love to buy a similar piece for my A4 airbox. Please show the difference with dpf on & off in a video also.
Already filmed it!
Watching this project closely.
I have the slightly newer 320bhp engine rather than the 313bhp can I expect similar levels of power increase?
Would you advise against remap without new intercooler? Is that a false economy?
What impact does the intercooler have on turbo lag?
I'd always put an intercooler on these! No extra lag, 320hp is same power wise when tuned!
Exciting times ,turbo next 😊👍
hello, maybe you can write the dimensions of the air ducts with the hole where you make the 3d printer
We can sell them!
Hello great work once again 👍
That’s what darth vader tows his star destroyer to his mechanics with 💪🏻💪🏻💨💨
can u please say, where have u bought sthis plastik für airbox upgrade?)
which u have in your hand on the video
It's just a piece we 3D printed to cut into the air box and attach it
Great vid and info. Cheers
Picking up a cheap 15 3.0 a6 allroad this coming week hmmmmmmm ideas ideas ideas 🤑
Until the chains start rattling -.-
@LM AO but yet you're here commenting dribble on a page run by a diesel performance company hahahaah muppet.
Very informative content as always. Wondering how often you get pulled over for the private plate though.
never!
@@DarksideDevelopments does your gearbox lock the convertor clutch in 1..2 ..3 gears?
@@Lucian18905 feels like it's slipping in 1-3 but I'm pretty sure we can tune it out
@@ryanp6138 So You have the same behaviour?
@@ryanp6138 managed to fix the "sliping" feeling on 1..2.3gears?
13:27 "Sackable offense" :D
Would like to see a vid on A4 2.0 tdi b8.5 sometime if possible but great content as always 👍🏻
Are you guys planning on removing the swirl flaps? Can't wait for the hybrid turbo vid...
Ryan I have no Idea what you are talking about but it's brilliant lol
Car Stuff
remap, egr, dpf good stuff.
Tip of the week : Never get a remap to disable dpf, EGR when you actually have them on the car :D Same for every car.
fun to watch! just got myself a bitdi also, so its extra fun to see the mods and power you can get :) what do you also think of the oilchange in the tiptronic? since audi and other shops says no.. its "lifetime"..
I;d want to do it every 40 - 60k miles really
Very interesting article. I have bought a 3.0 BiTDI and it kangaroos slightly at around 20mph...stuttering. Audi UK is aware and apparently it's gone all the way back to Germany for review. They are hoping to publish a technical note on what it is. Audi UK says it not the turbos, rails or injectors. V odd.
Wet strange, keep us updated. Not known a car go back to Germany. BMW have a depot at Doncaster where all the best techs are and cars are overnighted there.
Small edit seen the direction of replies, I do not like to start a flamewar about numbers, far too old for that shit.
Below post was intended to help others with my (expensive) lessons learnt, what happens in case you push the biturbo tdi over the max.
I do not care if the power claims of "my tuner" are toom high, the engine didn't last and I moved on.
Love the DSD content a lot, keep up the good work guys.
I have quit some bad experience with a tuned Biturbo TDI A6. It was done by a apperantly very respectable tuner, mounting the wagner FMIC, and replacing the airbox by a RS6 airbox (which is less restrictive). It got a custom tune delivering very solid numbers, 460hp/925Nm, speed limit was removed, so managed to put close to 300kmh on the odo several times commuting Amsterdam - Hamburg every week. The fun didn't last too long.On the Autobahn (unlimited speed) the engine seems to get overheated at Autobahn moderated speeds (200-220kmh), without showing any alarm, it just starts dumping coolant till it reaches minimum levels, and then the alarm comes. The coolant spill will initiate below the tank. If you increase the common rail pressure, another point of attention are the 6mm tension bolts that are holding down the injectors, they will fail in the end causing injectors to start leaking and in the end loosing them completely by being blown from their seats (again without alarm). On top of that, with the cone filter upgrade in the RS6 airbox, the car was eating MAF sensors, and with a MAF limb mode the car was unable to being driven. In the end I always carried a MAF sensor with me, which is luckily only a 125 euro piece that is nowhere to be found on stock.....and it always happened on Sunday nights too....
For me this was the moment I decided to leave Audi for what it is (having the 4th injector tensioner, and continuous overheating / coolant dumps inside the left wheel causing braking problems in the end, switched to ///M and never looked back.
Keep up the good work and you very informative channel, but be aware of the problems when pushing these engines, mounting these massive FMICS in front of a radiator is in general not a good idea. I do believe the problems only surface at extended periods of 200+kmh therefore the upgrades it could work when driving and occasionally sprinting in any country other then Germany, however the 6mm tension bolts seem to remain the bottleneck even when in standard tune, so it would be great to develop a quick fix, which should be easy, but reassuring for your customers. Cheers
Erik
Its not 460bhp, thats JDEngineering fake numbers.
@@ThenameisOskar contacted them off course, and as per the usual it is never due to the tune..........and then if you start talking to others, you hear a lot of bad stories about the tuner in question. Bought an M5, followed by an M3 and now an M2 competition. Smaller/lighter, double the fun 🤪👌💥🕳 I have done Schoorl - Sassnitz in 4h, 778km......
@@RealGX ok ok, the dyno said 458hp/928Nm.......🤪
@@ThenameisOskar Nope, M5. Average speed arriving at Dutch border was 233kmh.....at home like 182kmh. This including ca 100km stretch of secondaire roads. Emptied 3x90liters. At the autobanh I kept it till 280kmh max not to burn too much fuel.
@@rubbermoetroken impossible without bigger turbo's...ps,my broken clock is correct twice a day.
Very informative video. Whats the max egt the car can handle without damaging anything? Ofc without the dpf
we set limiters to 920c roughly
@@DarksideDevelopments thanks for the answer. And whats the cars original factory egt limiter?
850c usually
We only get the single turbo here in the US. Does anyone know if the block is the same? Or at least if ours is as strong? I want to modify but I've never messed with these tdi before. Doesn't seem like there is much support over here (I get that we don't have as many diesels here.)
Engine is very similar
You went from 77°C to 29°C on the Intercooler? Asking for a friend who purchased a intercooler.
Iirc, yes
Dude do you do these vids straight after lunch down the pub?
yes
@DarksideDevelopments I knew it!
Perfect time really.
The normal 3.0 TDI engine after 2012 is it problematic? What do you guys have for experience with those engnies. Are they good and relaible?
They seem OK!
I've a question about this engine, can it be fit to a b8 a4 quattro 3.0 tdi ?
In sure you could if you wanted to!
what would be interesting would be the difference between an original dpf and then a down pipe with race dpf, on this car.
Might do that later
Does the intercooler fits plug and play with the single turbo? The bitdi needs different silicone hoses, but the single turbo doesnt need, or?
Yes the single turbo models just use the stock boost pipes - This should be the correct
kit but drop us an email with the VIN if you need us to double check - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/audi-a4-a5-b8-5-3-0-tdi-darkside-developments-performance-intercooler.html
Does anyone know what the park code is for the fuel rail pressure sensor?
we sell everything in our store - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/genuine-vag-2700-bar-common-rail-fuel-pressure-sensor.html
I have a 2. 0tdi c7, 190hp, would this fmic fit? Do you make one specifically for it?
email us the reg and we can check :)
Got the same car, with a tune. Should i be worried about My dpf? I would like to have it for some years, ha..
Should i also Chang the oil Thing?
Mine got 374 and 770nm.
I am from Denmark, and had the tune from the best here..
I would not worry too much, they seem pretty good on these.
Oil thing?
What is the difference between Darkside intercooler and the Wagner intercooler? Because I'm looking to buy one and the difference in price is huge.
The price mainly?
Great video guys, does a tune from you solve the Audi EGR emission fix issues?
we can usually roll them back
That beep man🤣🤣
What do you all think? BMW 335D or A6 3.0 BiTDI what would you prefer?
Tough call but the Audi!
@@DarksideDevelopments looking to buy one or the other this year, I will be giving you lads a call to get booked in for some Mods and mapping. Brilliant content and I always learn something, Keep up the good work!
How reliable are these engines? Heard issues with them- true or not?
All engines have their problems, these seem OK if maintained
Why do you never show the dyno runs?
Its boring as hell and there is not usually a camera in there but we have recorded the last few video's just to prove there is nothing going on!
Hello, I have an Audi A6 (allroad 4g c7) 3.0 diesel biturbo 313 hp, I broke the turbo and I want to replace it and I want to install a good turbine to work well and powerfully. Can you recommend something?
We might have a good used one! Did you message on FB?
What is the difference between the C7 and C7.5 bitdi engine, looking at stage 1 tunes offered by companies the C7.5 is alot more capable factory is this true?
Depends on the engine code, not really a lot different between them really
Have you ever flowed the TDI cylinder heads or before and after dynoed a car after having the cylinder heads have been properly ported?
Yes many times, we can make a video one time!
@@DarksideDevelopments , I will look forward to it! In the mean time I will sacrifice at least ten pints of adult beverage each week to strengthen the magical inclination to make such a video and share it!
R E Y T T H E N
Hi DD. How come you dont use the Wagner Competition intercooler, that you offer to this car from your webshop?
Probably because they can make a better or at least equally as good intercooler in house and make more off of it instead of supplying other brand's ones.
This one seems similar
Whats your future plans regarding the emissions test get stricter,will you always be diesel tuners
See what happens
@@ryanp6138 God bless you all in health and wealth
is there a way to remove egt ? :D or thers alternative to it so it wont melt down ? if u get more horsepower than 400+ ?
Removing EGT sensor is simple, but not what you should do! You need a bigger turbo to lower them
@@DarksideDevelopments oh okay thanks for info . but isnt there like 2 egts ? 01 is the one that reads temperatur the 02 is the one that regulates af ratio ? if u remove the 01 cant u just make somehow engine to think that temp is 950 all the time ?
so what did u actualy do with rail presure sensor ? how do u guys upgrade it ?
www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/genuine-vag-2700-bar-common-rail-fuel-pressure-sensor.html
@@DarksideDevelopments and they fit all audis 3.0 tdi same as bitdi?
Hi guys, I've got a 2010 A4 B8 with the CAGA engine.
Having a problem with coolant temp not reaching 90' degrees, even after an hour drive - only reaches 75'/80' degrees (although fairly quickly). Temp also drops going down hills.
Could this be the secondary inline thermostat behind the engine?
Thermostat.
Try whichever is easiest first!
@@ryanp6138 I've ordered the small in line thermostat first as its only £25. From forums, this seems to have cured other people's cars with the same symptoms. I'll see if this fixes it for me.
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/179239-A4-b8-2-0tdi-105kW-problem-with-coolant-temperature&ved=2ahUKEwiry_-2vYnsAhUDURUIHQrzD70QFjAPegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw0LVPrro9cQ9dpUI7EyhWs6
Could also be a broken dsg thermostat
Make sure you buy genuine one from Audi. Not much price difference compare to other places.
Production quality, now on the. Same level as, tuning science.
#darksidesunday 👍🏻
Could you maybe add water/meth injection before adding the hybrid turbo?
We are not on this car
if i win lottery ..im there man :) engine master! .respect. i own a6 2 td
what pressure makes the small turbo?
We think around 2.3bar for the small turbo
@@DarksideDevelopments thanks! I'm from spain. My new project is a7 bitdi whith hybrid turbos, but my perception is lack power at low rpm. Map lectures are low for my point of view... arround 1500 mpa... i don't know what to do...
Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk we might be able to help you through there :)
Ryan can you recommend an a5 3.0tdi wheel bearing puller?
We just use our press!
@@DarksideDevelopments suppose it's easier for you having floor space! Just bought a puller so I'll see how much fun that is! 😂👍
Think the cooler is to big .
Maybe 25% bigger would give better power but higher intake temp .
I'm not sure about that
@@DarksideDevelopments are your coolers open ended or do they have direction fins in the cooler end pipes .
@@MA-ff5to They have fins on the intake side (Y)
what do you think of the 3l I6 diesel engines from BMW? the B57, is it better than these TDI units, and are they tunable?
B57 seems good!
What did the 4.2 touareg you mentioned, make on the dyno!?!
my tourareg made 420hp st2.
@@Spannerface at all 4 wheels?
Just over 400hp with decent EGT's. 420 on our dyno would be a push
@@DarksideDevelopments hey thanks for the reply i appreciate it. 300kw (400hp) at the wheels is insane. The 4.2tdi motors are wicked. An A8 with that motor would be a blast.
I'm a follower from aus. Love the content.
@@bk558462 most dyno results are engine hp.
All The btdi is the same? 313,320,326 (competition)? Same engine? I have a competition, stage 1 tuned, claimed to be 406 hp, 750 newton, thats bullshite then?
It's all just tuning, 313hp is an older engine but not really much of importance power wise. 406hp seems a lot
Seems abit much ye, the stage 1 is done by bsr, dont know if u heard about them, its in sweden, its not a custom ecu program, u get a little handdevice, stick it in the obd, and reprogram urself, made a whole lot of diffrence tho, to bad u guys are over seas🤣
@@tero8391 i have the same power(390hp, 820nm). It was a custom tune i had done. but the car is at the limit of fuel and turbo. EGTS go 800+ after 4kRPM, quickly hitting 1000c. so i never rev past 4k. i have had the Cat and DPF removed. sounds way better. I notice the gearbox is struggling on the stock TCU. im changing the oil every year and it seems burnt to me each time. interestingly i have no idea what EGP is or any of this with the simple log manifolds. I wonder how much work needs done to get any more power out of this car. manifolds? GT-30 upgrade? fuel pump and injectors? but replace with what? 2 CP3 pumps? lol. also the gearbox, can it really handle 1000nm+ for any length of time. its not the RS6 version its lesser rated to something like 750NM. I have an upgraded intercooler. average AIT of 25c and peak at 40c on long pulls. your high 12 second pass seems to be what i get too.
hello, i have one question: in croatia, police interceptors are stock a4 3.0 tdi, quatro ,single turbo and i doubt they tuned it illegally, because it can reach 263km/h. so they remove speed limiter(250), and should do some things more, question is what they changed , but it must be done by few clicks on laptop and without dyno test, because they have dozens of that cars and it woult take too long and too expensive
They might come from the factory like that, they have options we don't have access to!
@@DarksideDevelopments these cars are not for police made, they bought stock car and they modified it in some garage, illegally to spare some money on atests , so what is easiest tune they could made(speed limiter off, boost to max, what else?) because stock can not reach 263km/h
Where do you get the silicon air intake tip from?
Link for them is here - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/3-0-bitdi-audi-a6-a7-c7-platform-airbox-to-tip-silicone-hose.html
Ordered tip and filter thanks!
@@DarksideDevelopments is the tip smaller end the same on the non biturbo? I have the 3L tdi 245hp
Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk
Where’s the follow up video? Keep checking but sad reacts only.
Soon, the next video is awaiting upload ;)
Any reason why you went with Bentley wheels?
probably to fit over the huge disks
Got them for decent price!
Now remove the DPF and straight pipe it. : )
What happened to this guy?
He still does videos
@@DarksideDevelopments haven't seen Ryan for ages tbh.
Shame they don't do Mercedes
Ffs Tom 😂😂😂😂
You should make him present the next video as punishment for interrupting you...
Lol
I can't understand what he is talking...
we can easily! haha
Water meth??
Not on this
I MAY (ahem) have had a remap on mine, only got it to 360, my daily driver so didn't want to push it too hard but I didn't get an intercooler, it's just stock. Is there any cause for concern you think? Many thanks and great vid :)
Fit an intercooler, much better then!
@@DarksideDevelopments many thanks. Will look in to it. Can you let me know approx costs for supply and fit or email better?
Email plz
Is it correct that you shouldnt tune the 272ps engine with the 7 speed S Tronic 'box because it cant cope with the increased torque? Hence why Audi fitted the 8 speed ZF to the BiTDI engines.
correct
@@DarksideDevelopments thanks for confirming. And the ZF gearbox has a torque converter rather than a twin clutch setup as is in the S Tronic?
What happened to the airbox mod ? Any update ?
you could damage the dp... what? 😅😂
DPF diesel particle filter
@@roybm3124 god dammit carl 🤦🏼♂️ don't you get it?
LaunchDiadem41 😅🤣 the first part you remove from your car
@@roybm3124 exactly 😎👍🏼