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And I heard they want to get rid of Yast ... (or was it yast2? ) Seriously. I realy felt at home using yast around 2001 comming from Windows having something similar windows system control. I realy think If you "sell" a system that claims to satisfy the needs of people that like to interface a PC by a "Window-Menu-Icon-Pointer"(WIMP) paradigm, then every setting should be do able without having to leave a WIMP-UI and entering another UI that follows a totally different paradigm to interface with the OS and the PC. I don't know if Yast is finally fully featured, but it surely wasn't back then 2001. Back then(2001) I was still forced to use a UI that employed a "commandline" paradigme to interface with the OS for many usecases. The big thing no one in the linux community seam to have understood, is that a terminal or command line is only a good thing if you are from the 1960ies and you like the comfort advantage the commandline gives you over punchcards and leavers and knobs. A command line paradigm to unterface a OS works well for programmers and scripters(=admins), it's not great if you aim for wide adoption. That's why smartphones can be used without a command line. What Linux needs is a common effort to bring all solutions of use cases of linux that requires a Terminal into YAST or a new YAST like tool . It has to be possible to be 100% WIMP . And for all the terminal lovers out there. Why is the "commandline" paradigm bad? Because a commandline basically unexplorable through use. UI-paradigms like WIMP or Menu-based (dumb-Phones, old bioses) are explorable by the user. I think that is even true for natural language UI , hence even a 3 year old can use an Alexa pod. Yet a commandline is simply the most horrible choice one can base a UI on. Why do all those distros prefere to develop OSes for developers only? I don't get it.
Yast has come a long way. I remember playing with it in the 90's. When you could get SuSE (how I thought it was spelled because of branding) from a CD when you buy a Linux magazine.
The software management may be ugly, but is it uglier than Synaptic? They could almost be twins lol. Looks I don't care so much about, but if it's inefficient to use, that's another thing. Gotta' say, you've become my favorite Linux UA-camr. Love your content.
You actually can run system updates from the Software Management module. In the menu bar select Package > All Packages > Update if newer version available.
I don't know if this is recommended when thinking about updating the system, after all, in Tumbleweed you update the system with dist-upgrade (sudo zypper dup), and not the normal upgrade process. Apparently Yast does not have such a function, and YaST online update, according to the documentation, is used for security updates and patches. Therefore, I only update the system via the command line and use yast for normal installations.
Mandrake Linux had that too, it was named drakconf (Mandrake Control Center). Right now, it is used on Mageia as 'Mageia Control Center' (although it's not as powerful as YaST, in my opinion).
Absolutely agree with all points mentioned. I was first using yast about 1999 when it was part of SUSE Linux. Then SUSE Linux became Open SUSE and Yast came along for the ride. But that's how well received Yast has been and has always evolved with improvement and has withstood time's test. There aren't many setup tools in the Linux world that can say that! Now, most people don't have a really big need for yast either. Most of the other distributions that have a desktop environment have something similar to yast. It's called the system folder. I just don't see a big difference between the ass app and the system folder of KDE or gnome. I probably would not use yast...
The MX package installer allows the installation of multiple packages as well. If anything the MX Tools suite is definitely comparable to the power of YaST.
12:23 Yeah, wrong word. The point of AppArmor is to apply the concept of least privilege to individual programs by restricting what they are allowed to do on a program-by-program basis. Normal Unix file permissions are concerned with users-who is accessing or executing something; AppArmor permissions are concerned with individual programs-what is accessing or executing something.
I've been running SUSE since the days of 56k modem connections, new versions were obtained by visiting your local computer bookstore and buying it on CD or getting it included with magazines.
I like Open Suse TW too using it since one year. I also use the terminal instead of yast but is great it is there. All in all a great rolling Distro. Take care
Yast is great. You can add very simpele in software repositories repo' s from the community (packman,nVidia) even add a folder with your own software So all de the codecs,drivers and stuff will appear in software management.
YaST is basically catered toward linux admins who are also probably dealing with if not primarily dealing with windows servers. The settings area in Windows Server are very similar.. maybe not in the layout per se but at least the approach.
For the snapper ui, I do not understand the pre/post snapshots being together on one line. The concept of a pre and a post snapshot yes, but I can’t see hot to select just a pre and rollback to that. I end up just dropping to the command line to manage snapshots.
it's probably worth mentioning that while openSUSE didn't exist in 1996, SUSE Linux definitely did, and YaST was in fact made by SUSE for SUSE. Also people that like to talk about Debian as an ancient based gigachad distro blessed by ancestors or whatever may like knowing that SUSE is approximately of the same age
There’s a forum post on how to make a polkit rule to allow wheel users to launch yast2 from command line, but the main annoyance is that it uses su not sudo. Though you can change that. I have a root user and my normal login user is part of wheel but because yast2 elevates with su it will always ask for root pass. Kind of annoying but I’m also relatively new to Linux so still learning
I'm considering trying out Opensuse just because of the luck Matt has had with it of late. But I'm not a rolling release guy so probably leap for me (finally an opportunity to read that Suse Enterprise 7 or 8 book that's been on my shelf for months now)
LMAO! what a punchine! @20:55 XD after that effusive setup of yast's wonders for 20 minutes. lol. nice one. XD but yeah, similar happened to me when i used suse from 2003-2007 as daily driver. so i went to gentoo to learn then. dont wanna learn to user lock-in myself. heh. transferable knowledge and skills ftw.
Origins The company started as a service provider, regularly releasing software packages that included Softlanding Linux System (SLS, now defunct) and Slackware and printing UNIX and Linux manuals, and offering technical assistance. These third-party products SUSE initially used had those characteristics and were managed by SUSE in different fashions: In mid-1992, Peter MacDonald created the comprehensive Linux distribution known as SLS, which offered elements such as X and TCP/IP.[citation needed] This was distributed to people who wanted to get Linux via floppy disks.[6] In 1993, Patrick Volkerding cleaned up the SLS Linux distribution, releasing a newer version as Slackware. In 1994, with help from Patrick Volkerding, Slackware scripts were translated into German, which was marked as the first release of S.u.S.E. Linux 1.0 distribution. It was available first on floppies, and then on CDs.[6] To build its own Linux distribution, S.u.S.E. used SLS in 1992 and jurix in 1996 as starting point.[10] This was created by Florian La Roche, who joined the S.u.S.E. team. He began to develop YaST, the installer and configuration tool that would become the central point of the distribution.[11][12] In 1996, the first distribution under the name S.u.S.E. Linux was published as S.u.S.E. Linux 4.2, a reference to the answer to "The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything" from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. YaST's first version number, 0.42, was a similar reference. ------------------------------- So 1996 represents their first release using jurix as their base, while 1994 was the first official release. Why they count the 1996 release on their site as the first is beyond me.
my only problem with yast is that the interface is really dated and overwhelming. Also redundancy with the De option can create problem sometimes. and as usual opensuse do everything so custom that the original tool can break your installation.
Painfully slow in opening any of those Yast sub applications. That's my general experience with openSuse always; it's slow. I don't know about you but I don't put up with 3 to 5 second loading times in menus. For most, it doesn't seem to be a problem. As I can't deal with that, I prefer to use lightweight distros and Xfce.
According to Wikipedia, it's Setup, but it's Wikipedia, so who knows. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaST#:~:text=YaST%20(Yet%20another%20Setup%20Tool,system%20setup%20and%20configuration%20tool.
Because it does too many things sensitive to the system functioning without much explanation I found it daunting to use YaST coming from Debian and Arch based OS (with exp from Win95-Win7 if you want more detail on my journey). I hope one day they could refresh the GUI and icon theme using inspiration from software like KRITA, Where layouts matter and icon placement are more memorable yet fully functional.
Matt don't feel alone, I didn't use YAST that much when I had OpenSuse on my desktop, I'm a nerd and everything I installed on a Linux machine is via the terminal.
Funny , I was able as a noob to install nvidia drivers on so many linux distros , arch , nix , debian , fedora but never on opensuse using yast 😂 , so I wonder why you call it the most powerful tool . I'm guessing I have a lot more to learn especially on suse distro but imo powerful should also include easy use and intuitive.
How about 1 JavaJDK maven Apache Gradle Junkins Ant Installtion and configuration i mean mainly $PATH configuration. Which file use for configuration i mean .bashrc, .profile? Or /etc/environment ?? 👆👆👆 this is what Important technical Information that I need about YaST2 ingeneral opensuse. Please if you may 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I had to go back and see if I made a mistake with the name. There are several comments like yours telling people what it stands for but I said it in the video. I wanted to make sure I didn’t call it just another set up tool. but I didn’t
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thanks mate
And I heard they want to get rid of Yast ... (or was it yast2? )
Seriously. I realy felt at home using yast around 2001 comming from Windows having something similar windows system control.
I realy think If you "sell" a system that claims to satisfy the needs of people that like to interface a PC by a "Window-Menu-Icon-Pointer"(WIMP) paradigm, then every setting should be do able without having to leave a WIMP-UI and entering another UI that follows a totally different paradigm to interface with the OS and the PC.
I don't know if Yast is finally fully featured, but it surely wasn't back then 2001. Back then(2001) I was still forced to use a UI that employed a "commandline" paradigme to interface with the OS for many usecases.
The big thing no one in the linux community seam to have understood, is that a terminal or command line is only a good thing if you are from the 1960ies and you like the comfort advantage the commandline gives you over punchcards and leavers and knobs.
A command line paradigm to unterface a OS works well for programmers and scripters(=admins), it's not great if you aim for wide adoption. That's why smartphones can be used without a command line.
What Linux needs is a common effort to bring all solutions of use cases of linux that requires a Terminal into YAST or a new YAST like tool . It has to be possible to be 100% WIMP .
And for all the terminal lovers out there. Why is the "commandline" paradigm bad? Because a commandline basically unexplorable through use.
UI-paradigms like WIMP or Menu-based (dumb-Phones, old bioses) are explorable by the user. I think that is even true for natural language UI , hence even a 3 year old can use an Alexa pod.
Yet a commandline is simply the most horrible choice one can base a UI on. Why do all those distros prefere to develop OSes for developers only? I don't get it.
Yast also has a pretty good CLI version. It's great for managing servers.
Yast has come a long way. I remember playing with it in the 90's. When you could get SuSE (how I thought it was spelled because of branding) from a CD when you buy a Linux magazine.
Unrelated but tbh I thought you were born in the 90s. You look good for almost 40!
The software management may be ugly, but is it uglier than Synaptic? They could almost be twins lol. Looks I don't care so much about, but if it's inefficient to use, that's another thing.
Gotta' say, you've become my favorite Linux UA-camr. Love your content.
It also works on the openSUSE based distro Gecko Linux.
You actually can run system updates from the Software Management module. In the menu bar select Package > All Packages > Update if newer version available.
I don't know if this is recommended when thinking about updating the system, after all, in Tumbleweed you update the system with dist-upgrade (sudo zypper dup), and not the normal upgrade process.
Apparently Yast does not have such a function, and YaST online update, according to the documentation, is used for security updates and patches.
Therefore, I only update the system via the command line and use yast for normal installations.
That doesn't work lately!Only GUI's for managing are Gnome Software Center and Discover!
For anyone wondering, the services querying took about 1 minute, 30 seconds, courtesy of Matt showing the seconds in his qtile Clock widget!
I used open suse for about a year and YAST was fantastic. Great video as usual Matt.
Yes, please do a comprehensive tut on YaST.
I think YasT is the best thing ever. Other distros should have something simillar
Mandrake Linux had that too, it was named drakconf (Mandrake Control Center).
Right now, it is used on Mageia as 'Mageia Control Center' (although it's not as powerful as YaST, in my opinion).
The only thing I used that is similar to YaST package management was Synaptic.
YaST Queen!
took the words right out of my mouth
yast is so frickin cool, idk why more people dont recommend suse to windows expats - yast alone is reason enough for any windows power user
Absolutely agree with all points mentioned. I was first using yast about 1999 when it was part of SUSE Linux. Then SUSE Linux became Open SUSE and Yast came along for the ride. But that's how well received Yast has been and has always evolved with improvement and has withstood time's test. There aren't many setup tools in the Linux world that can say that! Now, most people don't have a really big need for yast either. Most of the other distributions that have a desktop environment have something similar to yast. It's called the system folder. I just don't see a big difference between the ass app and the system folder of KDE or gnome. I probably would not use yast...
Great video, thanks for all the information!
The MX package installer allows the installation of multiple packages as well. If anything the MX Tools suite is definitely comparable to the power of YaST.
12:23 Yeah, wrong word. The point of AppArmor is to apply the concept of least privilege to individual programs by restricting what they are allowed to do on a program-by-program basis. Normal Unix file permissions are concerned with users-who is accessing or executing something; AppArmor permissions are concerned with individual programs-what is accessing or executing something.
2:24
No. openSUSE uses RPM. Zypper is a frontend for RPM.
I've been running SUSE since the days of 56k modem connections, new versions were obtained by visiting your local computer bookstore and buying it on CD or getting it included with magazines.
Its interface reminds me of the KDE configuration panel.
Fun fact: IBM's AIX had SMIT which served the same purpose as YaST but predates YaST by about 5 years.
OT: Looks fantastic your desktop, is rofi that launcher at 1:50?
Yup
I'd call YaST a sysadmin's GUI dashboard.
I like Open Suse TW too using it since one year. I also use the terminal instead of yast but is great it is there. All in all a great rolling Distro. Take care
Yast is great.
You can add very simpele in software repositories repo' s from the community (packman,nVidia) even add a folder with your own software
So all de the codecs,drivers and stuff will appear in software management.
Great Vid man, What window manager and status bar do you have there? -Cheers
Qtile and qtile bar
YaST is basically catered toward linux admins who are also probably dealing with if not primarily dealing with windows servers. The settings area in Windows Server are very similar.. maybe not in the layout per se but at least the approach.
The UI actually looks okay, by Linux GUI standards at least.
i used Linux from 1996 too, and i started with suse, but i don't think/remember that this was a tool on it.
For the snapper ui, I do not understand the pre/post snapshots being together on one line. The concept of a pre and a post snapshot yes, but I can’t see hot to select just a pre and rollback to that.
I end up just dropping to the command line to manage snapshots.
it's probably worth mentioning that while openSUSE didn't exist in 1996, SUSE Linux definitely did, and YaST was in fact made by SUSE for SUSE. Also people that like to talk about Debian as an ancient based gigachad distro blessed by ancestors or whatever may like knowing that SUSE is approximately of the same age
Still Slackware was older since SUSE was based off Slackware. Nowdays I think it's their own thing
I see that you are using starship for your prompt, do you have the dotfiles in your gitlab?
it’s not starship. It’s a bash prompt from oh my bash. but yes, the dot files are on GitLab. Link in the description
There’s a forum post on how to make a polkit rule to allow wheel users to launch yast2 from command line, but the main annoyance is that it uses su not sudo. Though you can change that. I have a root user and my normal login user is part of wheel but because yast2 elevates with su it will always ask for root pass. Kind of annoying but I’m also relatively new to Linux so still learning
I really don't mind entering the password, I just wish it would use the regular polkit and not the random xterm-like window popping up.
It is the system control of SUSE Linux.
I'm considering trying out Opensuse just because of the luck Matt has had with it of late. But I'm not a rolling release guy so probably leap for me (finally an opportunity to read that Suse Enterprise 7 or 8 book that's been on my shelf for months now)
Akin to MX tools?
I personally found it hard to use and preferred other ways to do things
Fun fact: IBM had SMIT for AIX. The two served the same purpose, but SMIT predates YaST
LMAO! what a punchine! @20:55 XD after that effusive setup of yast's wonders for 20 minutes. lol. nice one. XD
but yeah, similar happened to me when i used suse from 2003-2007 as daily driver. so i went to gentoo to learn then. dont wanna learn to user lock-in myself. heh. transferable knowledge and skills ftw.
OpenSuSE came out in the mid 2000's, but SuSE Linux came out in 1994, they made YaST in 1995.
1996. Says it right on their website.
Origins
The company started as a service provider, regularly releasing software packages that included Softlanding Linux System (SLS, now defunct) and Slackware and printing UNIX and Linux manuals, and offering technical assistance.
These third-party products SUSE initially used had those characteristics and were managed by SUSE in different fashions:
In mid-1992, Peter MacDonald created the comprehensive Linux distribution known as SLS, which offered elements such as X and TCP/IP.[citation needed] This was distributed to people who wanted to get Linux via floppy disks.[6]
In 1993, Patrick Volkerding cleaned up the SLS Linux distribution, releasing a newer version as Slackware.
In 1994, with help from Patrick Volkerding, Slackware scripts were translated into German, which was marked as the first release of S.u.S.E. Linux 1.0 distribution. It was available first on floppies, and then on CDs.[6]
To build its own Linux distribution, S.u.S.E. used SLS in 1992 and jurix in 1996 as starting point.[10] This was created by Florian La Roche, who joined the S.u.S.E. team. He began to develop YaST, the installer and configuration tool that would become the central point of the distribution.[11][12]
In 1996, the first distribution under the name S.u.S.E. Linux was published as S.u.S.E. Linux 4.2, a reference to the answer to "The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything" from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. YaST's first version number, 0.42, was a similar reference.
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So 1996 represents their first release using jurix as their base, while 1994 was the first official release. Why they count the 1996 release on their site as the first is beyond me.
Did you know: Matt is turning into a transition master 😅
Ha nice to see you here, and yep he’s getting better
@@smolbirb4 yep, his content is pretty good
my only problem with yast is that the interface is really dated and overwhelming.
Also redundancy with the De option can create problem sometimes.
and as usual opensuse do everything so custom that the original tool can break your installation.
Painfully slow in opening any of those Yast sub applications. That's my general experience with openSuse always; it's slow. I don't know about you but I don't put up with 3 to 5 second loading times in menus. For most, it doesn't seem to be a problem. As I can't deal with that, I prefer to use lightweight distros and Xfce.
Which lightweight distro would you suggest today? thanks in advance
Sorry to ask, because don't have nothing to Do with the video itself, but, what what visual environment you use? KDE?
Qtile or xmonad
@@TheLinuxCast too advanced for me anyway 😅 but really lite desktop you have
GO BLUE !
I thought YaST was an acronym for Yet Another System Tool.
According to Wikipedia, it's Setup, but it's Wikipedia, so who knows. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaST#:~:text=YaST%20(Yet%20another%20Setup%20Tool,system%20setup%20and%20configuration%20tool.
There is so much to say about what you said.... And what you didn't.
Because it does too many things sensitive to the system functioning without much explanation I found it daunting to use YaST coming from Debian and Arch based OS (with exp from Win95-Win7 if you want more detail on my journey).
I hope one day they could refresh the GUI and icon theme using inspiration from software like KRITA, Where layouts matter and icon placement are more memorable yet fully functional.
Matt don't feel alone, I didn't use YAST that much when I had OpenSuse on my desktop, I'm a nerd and everything I installed on a Linux machine is via the terminal.
Fighting with yast and rpms drove me into the arms of gentoo around the year 2000.
Funny , I was able as a noob to install nvidia drivers on so many linux distros , arch , nix , debian , fedora but never on opensuse using yast 😂 , so I wonder why you call it the most powerful tool . I'm guessing I have a lot more to learn especially on suse distro but imo powerful should also include easy use and intuitive.
Maybe because you did not add the Nvidia repositories?
i tried to isntall suse 2 times and it allways crashed .
For those that don't know, the name YaST stands for "Yet another Setup Tool".
Lol. Said that.
@@TheLinuxCast Oh, missed that part. Sorry.
@@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb no worries. 😎
I had already been in the Army for 2 years, after attending college for almost 3 years, in 1996 😁
How about
1 JavaJDK
maven
Apache
Gradle
Junkins
Ant
Installtion and configuration i mean mainly $PATH configuration.
Which file use for configuration i mean .bashrc, .profile? Or /etc/environment ??
👆👆👆 this is what Important technical Information that I need about YaST2 ingeneral opensuse. Please if you may 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
man don't clickbait me like that, I didn't even knew openSUSE existed
Yet Another Setup Tool.
I had to go back and see if I made a mistake with the name. There are several comments like yours telling people what it stands for but I said it in the video. I wanted to make sure I didn’t call it just another set up tool. but I didn’t
Honestly I love yast but sadly at the same time... I hate it lol
I was 6
FIRST!!