+Nate Phan No it wasn't, they had an entire discussion about why he did it. He did it because he accidently SD'd and Mang0s a good guy and that's what you do when someone accidentally sd's. God are people just dumb now a days or what.
MrBloodsplatt SDing when your opponent accidentally SD'd can be considered disrespectful because it's like saying "I didn't need the stock to beat you anyway." For Mango's case he didn't want the easy win so SD'd. He still 4 stocked Hax that game. That was *disrespectful*. Also, get your ass out* of your head.
I totally agree and I believe in the homie stock greatly. Mango seems to have a habit of doing things like that (f-tilting h-box after a flubbed rest during Dreamhack is another example). I really don't think he's a very prideful guy these days, just someone who happens to be one of the best at a super competitive videogame.
+Squadallama No he doesn't lol. His Marth almost beat hax. Literally came down to the wire. Mango's falco is still a league or two above Hax's. Sad stuff Hax might never get there with his hand injuries however.
what i love about that moonwalk first set is the sticky feet. That's such godlike tech skill...the mind game of "I'm not going to go that far on the moon walk, I'm going to bait you to jump and react to it"
To me its like all the great players use some kinda science and know percentages and stuff and Mango just plays the damn game really good. He doesnt go for traditional punishes or edge guards he just does what he wants and it works lol
dude, wtf is going on. Mango is just intensely chewing and Hax is just contorting his face wtf LOL This is what it truly means to be a top player, you play so hard that the other synapses that connect other actions your body uses become in-sync with your smash focus. kappa
It's cool that wife is able to keep up with the current meta, and express newer ideas in his commentary, even though he isn't that active (to my knowledge) anymore.
Mango and Hax are pretty good friends, might've just been a little bit of a challenge to Hax to step up his game, like Mango didn't need the free stock Also could've just been a friend doing something respectful
+Chichunug You aren't the only one. It's purple. Lavender to be more exact. And if this helps, of the blue/black dress versus gold/white dress internet battle, I was on the winning side. Blue/Black.
Erik Perez Has Mango won two Genesis titles? Has he won two Apex titles? Does he have a winning record against Armada? It is very debatable and in favor of Armada. Armada has also had periods of dominance with a character that isn't as good as Fox or Falco. He single handedly developed the meta for that character. And EVO is the most overrated measure of a player. It has the worst rule set of any supermajor.
Brady Boles but that's where hype lives and thrives. We eSports. EVO is that. Genesis is our little loveable great tourney. Along with other majors. Also MLG. Mang0 won that too.
He lost some confidence on his Fox at CEO where Armada's Fox was better probably leffen's one too (he lost dittos then go falco but Armada counterpick him with peach). Maybe it started before idk. So he did use more of his falco After CEO but because of armada's peach and Hbox i guess he trained hard his fox because he would probably need a solid Fox to win a national where hbox & Armada come. (Armada was dominating at the Time and hbox was second all day while mango had bad result)
+CoyRex1 He only wants to use Falco against M2k and Leffen, but he said that M2K needs to get good again and Leffen is in another country so he doesn't need Falco right now.
Hax$'s dash dances are insane. The pure speed, precision and control with the wavedash downs in between dash dances/pivots are crazy. However, Hax is still playing to 2014 standards of "optimal", and now Mango is just as technical if not more technical than Hax, since Hax doesn't know how to shield drop. It's interesting that Mango will opt for the Fox ditto against Armada and Leffen because it really puts him against Foxes that know what's optimal in the matchup, so Mango has had a lot of preparation for expecting the "optimal" approach options and followups and how to stuff them. So when it comes to playing the best that 2014 has to offer in terms of highest speed optimal, Mango's already got it down pat.
I think I'm one of the only people who just really doesn't like Wife and Husbands commentary. They just aren't very informative and they have more drawn out conversations over actually commentating. Which is fine, most people like that obviously, it's just not my thing. I still prefer it over people who try to commentate and just end up doing play by plays because they have little knowledge of the game
+WTFate People like Wife and Husband commentating because they're OG as fuck, not because they know what's going on. Commentators never put anything insightful, its just to allow the watcher to feel like he's a part of the action. its very inviting to the hype.
I love these commentators and many more, but it seems like silence (or game sounds) is the best way to observe melee, especially high-level play. Otherwise, at least for me, you get distracted.
i think for newer players and especially for pure spectators, having commentators is very helpful. New players can get a contextual explanation of metagame, while spectators will be cued in to when certain points in a match are really important or dangerous. Husband and Wife commentary mostly suffers from Husband talking more about the community/smash history than the actual match, but the knowledge these two guys have is nothing to sneeze at. I think the best commentary is one that gives a sense of the match at hand (big/impressive plays) AND the context of the match within the set> bracket > tourney > smash scene. BUT i totally know what you mean about the game sounds XD
Technically, more people are playing Melee and watching Melee than Smash 4. The scene is growing alongside Smash 4. Although, there have been a few tournaments very recently where smash 4 entrants beat out Melee ones (a couple of very notably big tournaments, so Smash 4 is no slouch), Melee is still consistently drawing more money, sponsorships, and viewers. Not that that is a negative thing. Smash 4s scene is partly fueled by Melees return. Melees rise to prominence is what really fuelled reinterest in Smash 64, and is likely the same for Smash 4, along with it absorbing the Brawl scene, which was helped up by top Melee players back in the day. Recently, Smash 4s top 8 managed to get as many viewers as Melees top 32. While ZeRo ", Ally, and Nairo may be established vets from Brawl, there's a lot of new blood, so the fact that they are managing to draw a lot of viewers despite not having as many established players as a typical Melee top 8 is really good. IMO, 2016-2017 will be the year that Smash 4 and Melee Top 8s at nationals will draw comparable viewers, but it's still up to the community to continue to draw in money like Melee has. A person with worse placings in Melee is still much more likely to get a sponsorship deal and be flown to their events than even a TOP EIGHT placing player in WiiU, which is disappointing. But as long as people continue to watch, and MORE people start to play and watch that should change. In the end, elitism and the unnecessary rivalry between the games needs to stop. A more cohesive community literally means more money, more tournaments, more players. If advertisers, sponsors knew that an average Melee viewer ALSO watches Smash 4, and vice versa, we'd see more co-sponsoring across games like TSM does, as well as a lot more sponsorships for everyone. A later pool of viewers means that corporations would look at Smash 4 as less of a risk than the long established and surviving scene of Melee.
![TBH6 SSBM - C9 | Mango (Fox) Vs. [A]rmada (Peach) - Smash Melee Winners Semis](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7JQdxPmzQcY/mqdefault.jpg)
![TBH6 SSBM - C9 | Mango (Fox) Vs. [A]rmada (Peach) - Smash Melee Winners Semis](/img/tr.png)
hax looks like he is confessing his love for mango when he shakes his hand
hand johns
He said: “I couldn’t do shit”
Mango chews, Hax has a seizure.
Mango chews, Hax is getting succ
Mango chews, had isn't going to summmit
*hax moving is my nightmare*
Their twitter names are "Ides of Marth" and "War and Peach"... Brilliant.
+Hayden Beissel omg yes I knowwwww. Husband and Wife are the best.
Smartest smashers besides M2K
1:45 his inner falco lands him two lasers
6:53-7:06 is sick. Two sourspot U-smashes in the same combo. Look at the positioning too, it has to be intentional.
wife is so much better at commentary than husband
He's better than most people. It obviously comes natural.
They are both not great
5:54 Mang0 SD's for Hax
It wasn't for Hax, it was for himself.
+Nate Phan No it wasn't, they had an entire discussion about why he did it. He did it because he accidently SD'd and Mang0s a good guy and that's what you do when someone accidentally sd's. God are people just dumb now a days or what.
MrBloodsplatt SDing when your opponent accidentally SD'd can be considered disrespectful because it's like saying "I didn't need the stock to beat you anyway." For Mango's case he didn't want the easy win so SD'd. He still 4 stocked Hax that game. That was *disrespectful*.
Also, get your ass out* of your head.
I totally agree and I believe in the homie stock greatly. Mango seems to have a habit of doing things like that (f-tilting h-box after a flubbed rest during Dreamhack is another example). I really don't think he's a very prideful guy these days, just someone who happens to be one of the best at a super competitive videogame.
Nate Phan ppl like u exist
20XX has arrived, we are tech chasing with shines here.
This is cool and all but man do I miss Mango's Falco styling on Fox mains. Especially when he's up against Mr 20XX.
Mango will need his Fox once Hax Money powers up
+Squadallama he has tobe ready for the year 20xx
+Squadallama No he doesn't lol. His Marth almost beat hax. Literally came down to the wire.
Mango's falco is still a league or two above Hax's. Sad stuff Hax might never get there with his hand injuries however.
shiv sixohfor 3 years later...
This makes me wanna cry I miss watching in person tournaments so much this just hurts
Lol unofficial 4 stock at the end
what i love about that moonwalk first set is the sticky feet. That's such godlike tech skill...the mind game of "I'm not going to go that far on the moon walk, I'm going to bait you to jump and react to it"
To me its like all the great players use some kinda science and know percentages and stuff and Mango just plays the damn game really good. He doesnt go for traditional punishes or edge guards he just does what he wants and it works lol
dude, wtf is going on.
Mango is just intensely chewing and Hax is just contorting his face wtf LOL
This is what it truly means to be a top player, you play so hard that the other synapses that connect other actions your body uses become in-sync with your smash focus.
kappa
It’s not that much different from Leffen’s face.
HAX "IT'S NOT FUCKING FINE" MONEY
It's cool that wife is able to keep up with the current meta, and express newer ideas in his commentary, even though he isn't that active (to my knowledge) anymore.
Wow. Absolutely incredible.
Semis: "Don't sleep on the kid! he DOESN'T think!"
LF: "He's a mastermind."
How many shines were in this video?
I guess 20XX
Amazing ditto set,freaking ridiculous.2 technical players going at it! #HaxMoneyBaby
Wife is such a baller commentator. This set was solid, but I wish HAX would have done better or played falcon. lol
I love the history between these two! Good stuff :D
hax is the fastest player I've ever seen holy crap
Mang0 makes melee melee
+Gideon he's literally the main reason why I still watch. i just keep up with him
Melee Mango Melee Makes
melee makes mango mango
when u get 3-0d by the supposed worst tier fox color
The real worst is default fox
Seank7 I agree
Christmas boots fox is by far the worst. metal legs that don't match the ugly green vest. ugh
Dude they're fucking jordans
Seank7 Jordans that don't go with his ugly green vest at all, smh
Mango and Hax are pretty good friends, might've just been a little bit of a challenge to Hax to step up his game, like Mango didn't need the free stock
Also could've just been a friend doing something respectful
Is it just me? wtf its purple right? ITS PURPLE am I the only one who doesn't see blue/??
+Chichunug i see a blue jacket and purple boots tbh
I don't see blue either. That's why if I use Fox for giggles I use Purple Fox. Purple is L I T.
+Erik Perez same and run wit the tag PURP
+Chichunug You aren't the only one. It's purple. Lavender to be more exact. And if this helps, of the blue/black dress versus gold/white dress internet battle, I was on the winning side. Blue/Black.
This was a true God moment. Mang0 narrowly loses to Hax$ with Marth, comes back in losers with Fox and 3-0s him.
Mango doing Fox dittos? woooahahhah
He's the fox ditto master
I can't find the fox ditto master video against leff, the one he wins (I think it was copyrighted bc of music in the background).
Looks like Falcon's ultimate movement option didn't help Hax very much.
what the heck is wrong with hax? I'm pretty sure Mango is chewing gum, but Hax looks like he is having some kind of convulsions
"Mang0 does it because he's like WHY NOT?" nah man you should know the GOAT does it cuz he knows he can.
+Lan Yonson Armada is the GOAT
+Brady Boles Armada is the COAT Kappa
+Brady Boles has Armada won two EVO's? No. Until he wins two EVOs it's not very debateable.
Erik Perez Has Mango won two Genesis titles? Has he won two Apex titles? Does he have a winning record against Armada? It is very debatable and in favor of Armada. Armada has also had periods of dominance with a character that isn't as good as Fox or Falco. He single handedly developed the meta for that character. And EVO is the most overrated measure of a player. It has the worst rule set of any supermajor.
Brady Boles but that's where hype lives and thrives. We eSports. EVO is that. Genesis is our little loveable great tourney. Along with other majors. Also MLG. Mang0 won that too.
Mango used to almost always go Falco against fox, but as of late he's been dittoing a lot. Anyone know why he know likes the ditto?
Because his fox has the nuts now
He lost some confidence on his Fox at CEO where Armada's Fox was better probably leffen's one too (he lost dittos then go falco but Armada counterpick him with peach). Maybe it started before idk.
So he did use more of his falco After CEO but because of armada's peach and Hbox i guess he trained hard his fox because he would probably need a solid Fox to win a national where hbox & Armada come. (Armada was dominating at the Time and hbox was second all day while mango had bad result)
+CoyRex1 He only wants to use Falco against M2k and Leffen, but he said that M2K needs to get good again and Leffen is in another country so he doesn't need Falco right now.
Hax$'s dash dances are insane. The pure speed, precision and control with the wavedash downs in between dash dances/pivots are crazy. However, Hax is still playing to 2014 standards of "optimal", and now Mango is just as technical if not more technical than Hax, since Hax doesn't know how to shield drop. It's interesting that Mango will opt for the Fox ditto against Armada and Leffen because it really puts him against Foxes that know what's optimal in the matchup, so Mango has had a lot of preparation for expecting the "optimal" approach options and followups and how to stuff them. So when it comes to playing the best that 2014 has to offer in terms of highest speed optimal, Mango's already got it down pat.
mango doesn't shield drop
scar is wife in disguise
Looks like Hax need to go back to Captain Falcon.
nah his fox is the truth
nah his fox is the truth
He won't beat Mango with his Falcon imo
Yea bro he because his falcon placed higher in tourneys
I think I'm one of the only people who just really doesn't like Wife and Husbands commentary. They just aren't very informative and they have more drawn out conversations over actually commentating. Which is fine, most people like that obviously, it's just not my thing. I still prefer it over people who try to commentate and just end up doing play by plays because they have little knowledge of the game
+WTFate People like Wife and Husband commentating because they're OG as fuck, not because they know what's going on.
Commentators never put anything insightful, its just to allow the watcher to feel like he's a part of the action. its very inviting to the hype.
This was when mang0 was good, his falco’s alright rn but he needs to use fox
not doing winners finals
I just remembered that mango doesnt like fox dittos so this is cool to see
he likes the ditto now
So is this RIP Mango Falco?
+Richie Knapp no he said he's dropping falco, and he's only playing falco against m2k and leffen.
All these comments ignore the fact that hax literally just got his butthole plugged by like a 3-2-3 stock in the cleanest 3-0.
Serge and Darkfall are gonna get sponsored... sorry Gimr
HAX$ for the Love of smash!! Switch to Falcon!
Why so he can place top 32 reg
I love these commentators and many more, but it seems like silence (or game sounds) is the best way to observe melee, especially high-level play. Otherwise, at least for me, you get distracted.
i think for newer players and especially for pure spectators, having commentators is very helpful. New players can get a contextual explanation of metagame, while spectators will be cued in to when certain points in a match are really important or dangerous. Husband and Wife commentary mostly suffers from Husband talking more about the community/smash history than the actual match, but the knowledge these two guys have is nothing to sneeze at. I think the best commentary is one that gives a sense of the match at hand (big/impressive plays) AND the context of the match within the set> bracket > tourney > smash scene.
BUT
i totally know what you mean about the game sounds XD
It's crazy how low-level this is compared to post quarantine. If you cut out the commentary and overlay i'd think I was watching a slippi match.
I'm sorry, but Hax$'s face during the entire thing....
cringe
hax face at 3:00 ahahaha
are people still playing melee???😂🎮
People have been wondering if Mango will ever switch to Smash 4
Wait.....did he just go under the stage with Fox....
I take the melee crap back
+DR. BLUE He'll never switch to smash 4, he said that all the other smash games are not fun because the movement sucks.
Technically, more people are playing Melee and watching Melee than Smash 4. The scene is growing alongside Smash 4. Although, there have been a few tournaments very recently where smash 4 entrants beat out Melee ones (a couple of very notably big tournaments, so Smash 4 is no slouch), Melee is still consistently drawing more money, sponsorships, and viewers.
Not that that is a negative thing. Smash 4s scene is partly fueled by Melees return. Melees rise to prominence is what really fuelled reinterest in Smash 64, and is likely the same for Smash 4, along with it absorbing the Brawl scene, which was helped up by top Melee players back in the day. Recently, Smash 4s top 8 managed to get as many viewers as Melees top 32. While ZeRo ", Ally, and Nairo may be established vets from Brawl, there's a lot of new blood, so the fact that they are managing to draw a lot of viewers despite not having as many established players as a typical Melee top 8 is really good.
IMO, 2016-2017 will be the year that Smash 4 and Melee Top 8s at nationals will draw comparable viewers, but it's still up to the community to continue to draw in money like Melee has. A person with worse placings in Melee is still much more likely to get a sponsorship deal and be flown to their events than even a TOP EIGHT placing player in WiiU, which is disappointing. But as long as people continue to watch, and MORE people start to play and watch that should change.
In the end, elitism and the unnecessary rivalry between the games needs to stop. A more cohesive community literally means more money, more tournaments, more players. If advertisers, sponsors knew that an average Melee viewer ALSO watches Smash 4, and vice versa, we'd see more co-sponsoring across games like TSM does, as well as a lot more sponsorships for everyone. A later pool of viewers means that corporations would look at Smash 4 as less of a risk than the long established and surviving scene of Melee.
Fox ditto master
Wild.
rip 20XX
Wife>Husband Nuf Said....
Lol the steryotypes
...the fact that Mango chose to SD game 3... makes me think that if he didn't, he would have 4 stocked Hax.
0/10 no final destination
The gentenleman stock was pure disrespect, like i don't need that!
how exactly?
+kiko “Kikouyous3” Uyous he was showing superiority by sacrifising a stock, and showed hax he didn't even need that stock to still win the game.
Max Luijken True but not all gentlemen stock moments are disrespectful ya know.
+kiko “Kikouyous3” Uyous personally i hate it when people give away gentleman stocks, pity doesn't feel good.
This wasn't disrespect
this commentary seems pointless