Marvel promises final evolution of spider multiverse

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  • @spinningtornado4543
    @spinningtornado4543 6 місяців тому +16

    After they had Nightcrawler go around pretending to be Spider-Man, I think it's safe to say they have hit rock bottom and still find ways to dig through the Earth crust.

  • @Deephouse_Gent66
    @Deephouse_Gent66 6 місяців тому +10

    Well, I've said this in earlier posts on here... Marvel's (and DC's) capacity for milking a dead cow until dust comes out seems endless. If Spider-Verses, VenomVerses and Gwen-Verses don't spell out the END of creativity, then I don't know what else does. I just don't see how these kinds of ideas would be interesting to anyone other than spec-buyers. This is not actual comic book writing; this is gimmicks, marketing and flimsy brand extensions masquerading as comicbook evolution.

  • @mattlinkous4356
    @mattlinkous4356 6 місяців тому +12

    At what point did Spider-Man become the poster child for multiverse shenanigans? It’s kinda like having Daredevil be the focal point of mystic stuff instead of Doctor Strange. Or having Doctor Strange be the go-to for sci-fi stories.

    • @FlameForgedSoul
      @FlameForgedSoul 6 місяців тому +4

      2018 would be the inception;
      *Into The Spider-Verse:* 35 mil opening weekend, 190 mil NA gross, 384 mil worldwide and won an Oscar. And then came:
      2023
      *Across the Spider-Verse:*
      120 mil opening weekend, 381 mil NA gross, 690 mil worldwide.
      Marvel being Marvel seemed to think "MULTIVERSE!" was the reason for all that success, and put their "best" people on milking the idea.

  • @ExplodingPrinny
    @ExplodingPrinny 6 місяців тому +20

    Fruit-Pie Spidey was killed by Morlun, who then ate the fruit pie.

    • @MWhaleK
      @MWhaleK 6 місяців тому +3

      The Fruit-Pie will be missed... Oh and that Spider-man to.

  • @JP-1990
    @JP-1990 6 місяців тому +16

    How about instead of all this Spider-Verse junk, why not just have a giant-sized one-shot every year for a specific Spider-variant. Like, one year it's the Noir one, next year its the 1602 one, year after that it's the Japanese one.
    Make it a treat rather than over saturate the market.

  • @JDPetty0990
    @JDPetty0990 6 місяців тому +24

    When everyone can be Spider-Man, why care about Spider-Man?

    • @mattlinkous4356
      @mattlinkous4356 6 місяців тому +3

      Oh and don’t forget all their supporting characters have to get powers to.

    • @m3xicanstandoff
      @m3xicanstandoff 6 місяців тому +2

      If everyone is super than no one is

    • @SlaserX
      @SlaserX 6 місяців тому +4

      Spider-Verse just tells me that they didn't learn anything from the Clone Saga.

  • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
    @InfamyOrDeath-__- 6 місяців тому +3

    All I can do now is laugh at stories like this, it doesn’t affect me anymore so I can have a good chuckle as they continue to pump out this swill.

  • @giovannimartin3239
    @giovannimartin3239 6 місяців тому +6

    The frustration of perch was so goddamn hilarious here.

  • @cesarvictoriano8072
    @cesarvictoriano8072 6 місяців тому +1

    I want the villain to be a Peter Parker who got Deadpool’s awareness through an accident on his Earth and upon seeing how determined the multiverse(the writers) is to ensure he suffers, he goes full Dreadpool and tries to end everything falling out the powers that be for doing it. But Marvel wouldn’t be *that* self aware.

  • @rolandkatsuragi
    @rolandkatsuragi 6 місяців тому +6

    If I didn't know better, I would've thought the "Sinister Squadron" was a reference to the Squadron Sinister. Thanks for clearing up that confusion, Perch.

    • @BitingComics
      @BitingComics 6 місяців тому +3

      That might have been more interesting if they were. SpiderHyperion, SpiderPrincessPower, etc.

  • @HERITAGE12
    @HERITAGE12 6 місяців тому +5

    :D :D :D that pause at "spider ramen" where CLEARLY you can hear perch telepathically shout out "WHO the fk ?" :D :D :D

  • @Maddharl
    @Maddharl 6 місяців тому +4

    I bought that issue because the cover looked cool. Didn’t look at the writer or the art inside. When I got home and opened it my first reaction was ‘what the f**k!?’

  • @gringles
    @gringles 6 місяців тому +20

    I’m not a fan of the animal/spider totems or the web of destiny storytelling.

    • @jamesjackson6563
      @jamesjackson6563 6 місяців тому +2

      Agreed

    • @AL-ws5yi
      @AL-ws5yi 6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, I thought it was a little strange too.

    • @sboinkthelegday3892
      @sboinkthelegday3892 6 місяців тому +2

      I'm fan of that stroytelling, it just belongs in Fantastic Four. Spider-Man has been great at keeping trash taste out of real stories, like a moat they all fall in and think it's the pool.
      But big IP will make corporate want to smear it over every color of style, and get brown. "Have you tried cosmic... but with SPIDER-MAN?!?!?!$!$!?"

    • @jamesjackson6563
      @jamesjackson6563 6 місяців тому +5

      @sboinkthelegday3892 yeah. I agree Spider-Man should just be street-level fighting foes within his power. He's a hero for the people. Not the whole goddamn universe! That's more of the fantastic 4 who are explorers, astronauts, scientists etc. The FF4 and the avengers, along with the x-men from time to time handle that stuff. The x-men are really supposed to get involved when it involves the mutants. The editorial team at marvel just don't care anymore and it's sad. Not every character need to be thrown into goofy crossovers/events. And now Spider-Man himself has his own TEAM!!!?? A bunch of alternate versions of himself. 😆 🤣 yet people hated the clone saga. 😆 🤣 😂

    • @gringles
      @gringles 6 місяців тому +1

      @@sboinkthelegday3892 I was one of those readers that was fine picking up those odd else world stories that let writers run wild with ideas while keeping those ideas in containment. I agree with your Fantastic Four assessment, it suits Reed to meddle with a council of Reed Richards from multiple universes.

  • @bryanrickard7712
    @bryanrickard7712 6 місяців тому +2

    I made a list of acceptable Spider People:
    Peter
    Jessica Snu Snu Drew
    That is all

  • @themultiversalmagpie7827
    @themultiversalmagpie7827 6 місяців тому +5

    So I’m guessing it’ll be another comic where technically they are there but in the background doing nothing

  • @mindandbody7971
    @mindandbody7971 6 місяців тому +1

    Spiderverse Inc., Wonder Women Family, Venom Verse Gang, Batman Family + Inc+ Metal versions, Super Corp Superman Family, Flash Family, Dead Pool Rainbow Mercs...this is how the big 2 die.

  • @nerdrock8087
    @nerdrock8087 6 місяців тому +1

    There should be a Spider-Man trade full of nothing but Hostess Fruit Pie ads.

  • @philipburnette7315
    @philipburnette7315 6 місяців тому +3

    Every bad comic journalism article is some Readers first.

  • @eric_linden
    @eric_linden 6 місяців тому +3

    Quantity over quality? I don’t think so. How about a character or two with character development and consequences? In other words, a real story.

  • @BitingComics
    @BitingComics 6 місяців тому +4

    I was never a huge fan of the idea of the Spiderverse. Sure a few of the alternate universe Spideys like 2099, SpiderNoir, or SpiderHam have been interesting or cute as one off stories, and the movie was good, but this literally infinite number of Spider people is just a drag.

  • @gkirkpatrick1004
    @gkirkpatrick1004 6 місяців тому +1

    Angry/sarcastic/cynical/cranky Perch at the top of his game with this one

  • @buraddorun3043
    @buraddorun3043 6 місяців тому +1

    Both the Japanese Spider-Man and the Hostess Spider-Man did actually show up on the first Spider-Verse series. And yeah, you're right that they didn't actually get the Hostess license. I actually enjoyed that first series. But now, it's definitely over-milked and not exciting.

  • @walterlucero5757
    @walterlucero5757 6 місяців тому +2

    Why is this story written? Didn't a family of vampires kill the multiverse Spider-Men?
    I'm gonna be like the Twisted Toy Fair Theater version of Spider-Man. Sit on my couch, eat my Lays chips and ignore this book.

  • @marcosvarsano6262
    @marcosvarsano6262 6 місяців тому +1

    Multiversal heroes going up against muliversal villains? Just like on Jason Aaron's Avengers?
    Marvel really is creatively bankrupt.

  • @TheGuyInTheCheapSeats
    @TheGuyInTheCheapSeats 6 місяців тому +2

    Didn't Marvel used to make fun of DC for stuff like this?

  • @teammunkeyhead
    @teammunkeyhead 6 місяців тому +3

    Dirty work.
    This is what IP mining looks like.

  • @jacobsedlack1173
    @jacobsedlack1173 6 місяців тому +3

    How far away from the simplicity of Peter Parker can Marvel make Spider-Man before we forget he is the original and still the best? Answer: They can't.

    • @zangetsu134
      @zangetsu134 6 місяців тому

      Idk Zeb Wells seems to be trying to make u pock up any other book then his

  • @giovannimartin3239
    @giovannimartin3239 6 місяців тому +1

    Damn. This means we’re gonna get another Dark Knights story from dc lol. “Dark Knights Progressive Metal”.

  • @millernumber1
    @millernumber1 6 місяців тому +2

    it is really shameful how much better the Spider-Verse movies are than the Spider-Verse comics.

  • @nobodyknowsforsure
    @nobodyknowsforsure 6 місяців тому +2

    I just don't care anymore - they basically fan fic'd spider-man with Spiderverse and had no restraint - they have a literal frikkin' dinosaur as Spider-man. It's just not for me. I accept that and move on.

  • @Zudovader
    @Zudovader 6 місяців тому +2

    I feel like the next spider verse movie is 2026 at the earliest.

  • @TitularHeroine
    @TitularHeroine 6 місяців тому

    I almost dreaded to see whats going on in the comments section but it's pretty good. And this episode was so funny I listened to it again immediately and will show it to everyone I can. Thanks, Perch!

  • @regishel
    @regishel 6 місяців тому

    The Spider-verse movies fixed everything I had against the Spider-verse comics (except it added one thing that I hate, which was not in the Spider-verse comics, but is now a plot in the movies, so that really sucks for me), so the movies finally showed the potential of Spider-verse, yet the comics didn't learn anything from the movies.

  • @drewtheunspoken3988
    @drewtheunspoken3988 6 місяців тому +7

    This sounds depressingly similar to Avengers Assemble from a couple of years ago. I'm betting it will go over about as well as that did.
    The multiverse stuff needs to stop. It's become as ubiquitous as Event Stories and, like those, has been stripped of any appeal it once had.
    The bigger problem is that there are only 2 multiverse stories you can do: variants versus variants or "Save the multiverse!" Both have been done to death.
    What this tells me is that creators have written themselves into a corner. They don't have anywhere else to go with these characters so now we're stuck with Multiverse Crisis because that's the largest stakes they can create and everything else has become routine.

    • @adamfrey4920
      @adamfrey4920 6 місяців тому +1

      Remember when Quesada had a rule that 616 and 1610 weren't allowed to cross over?

    • @drewtheunspoken3988
      @drewtheunspoken3988 6 місяців тому +1

      @@adamfrey4920 and dead meant dead? Good times, good times.

    • @Crisis-Comics
      @Crisis-Comics 6 місяців тому +1

      There's also the Sliders-esque "Find A Way Home" story, where you follow the same characters trying to get back to their world while surviving all of the weird stuff the Multiverse has to offer.

    • @drewtheunspoken3988
      @drewtheunspoken3988 6 місяців тому

      @Crisis-Comics I completely forgot about that one. Or the Quantum Leap or Exiles approach where they travel to different points to "fix" things. Ultimately, though, it all starts to feel gimmicky and inconsequential.

    • @Crisis-Comics
      @Crisis-Comics 6 місяців тому +1

      @@drewtheunspoken3988 I think with the Exiles/Sliders approach you have the benefit of following the same characters and watching them grow/evolve in response to all the weirdness. Morph and Blink from Exiles #1 are very different people by Exiles #63, for instance.
      But with the Spider-Verse and the boatload of variants, it feels much MORE gimmicky because they're basically trying to introduce new versions of the same characters that they can create new IP for a low cost. Compare how the Multiverse impacts 616 Peter Parker to say, how the last few episodes of the Spider-Man Animated Series closed out THAT Peter's arc.

  • @stevenregina6429
    @stevenregina6429 6 місяців тому +1

    I need there to be a time when there isn't a Spider-Verse or Venom-Verse comic. It doesn't even have to be a long time, but 6 months without any active multiversal event or a book called "Edge of..." would be glorious.
    I don't even care if we have a bunch of solo books with Spiders, but I am tired of the relentless FOMO/Next Big Thing speculative churn.

  • @mattyburns1398
    @mattyburns1398 6 місяців тому

    I want Spider-Perch!

  • @jamesjackson6563
    @jamesjackson6563 6 місяців тому +2

    You know its a sad day on planet earth if 2 hollywood directors/writers (chris miller)(Phil lord) can make a better spider-verse story. That seasoned comic writers... dan slott etc. 😂😂😂

  • @ThatGuy-zj8kg
    @ThatGuy-zj8kg 6 місяців тому

    Oooo what about Spider-Spider? It's a spider that was bitten by a spider and now has the powers of a spider AND a spider..?

  • @ironbaysqiureg4827
    @ironbaysqiureg4827 6 місяців тому

    You remember when the spiderverse was a celebration of spiderman history and not a sonic oc factory 😢 I do

  • @adamfrey4920
    @adamfrey4920 6 місяців тому +1

    Marvel: figure out what's popular and then run it the hell into the ground. The first Spider-Verse was good fun, and now it's a bloated and dead concept.
    I really learned my lesson with this on Marvel Zombies. Seriously, should have quit once Kirkman quit the franchise. (The Van Lente stuff was okay and it went downhill from there.)

  • @adamfrey4920
    @adamfrey4920 6 місяців тому +2

    All, what's a good quitting point on Spider-Man? I've previously posited that one can quit the Incredible Hulk with Peter David's last issue in the 1990s and be no worse off if you never read again.
    I'm slowly working on getting more Spider-Man omnis and epics and wondering where one could naturally stop and be content. Spencer's run? That's still a LOT of reading between 1963 and 2021.
    I would like to be content with Spider-Man Life Story, except that's really a pastiche of various Spider-Man stories and not the true thing. It's damn good, though.

    • @JP-1990
      @JP-1990 6 місяців тому +1

      I started reading around Civil War and ended after Grim Hunt.

    • @TheCUT-UP
      @TheCUT-UP 6 місяців тому

      Amazing S-M 35; 100; 121; 363 / Spectacular S-M 200 are all good to solid endpoints for the life of Peter Parker, reading more as contingent on how much you identify with that character. Then if you really need more of Spider superhero sh**, either read Spider-Girl by DeFalco when Peter retires, or, ignore that: skip forward to "Coming Home," // "Revelations" // "Civil War: Spider-Man" and "Back In Black," skip again to Secret Wars Renew Your Vows, and post-2015 RYV through issue 8.
      AND, ALTERNATIVELY: You could just read Ultimate Spider-Man through the death of Peter, then watch the Spider-Verse animations.
      This is all from what I remember. But now, personally, 35 is where the story ends and everything else is fanfic. The followups are still interesting visually, for how the different artists render that spidery anatomy, but very much a wheel-spinning title.

    • @maydaymemer4660
      @maydaymemer4660 6 місяців тому

      Drop it after one more day

  • @matthewmilan6979
    @matthewmilan6979 6 місяців тому +1

    Perch trying to ruin the value of my Spiderham key comic.

  • @MWhaleK
    @MWhaleK 6 місяців тому

    I'd rather see the kids of Spider-man variants. Also a throw away story where the New Ultimate Spider-man meets other versions of Peter Parker Spider-Man.

  • @StefanHillier
    @StefanHillier 6 місяців тому +1

    Where no category of diversity goes unaccounted for.

  • @commonsense5199
    @commonsense5199 6 місяців тому

    1:30 Star Spider, right? The supposedly Star Lord type spider woman?
    Oh I know who Web Weaver is. He his villain is Drag Queen Symbiote Kraven. And yes Drag Queen Kraven stereotypical said YASS, Queen.
    You saying kids seeing the movie, makes me think about how People was introduced to Anya Corazon from Madame Web movie. That movie did my girl dirty and Anya would lost most an audience.
    3:21 *Where is Yu Onomae aka Spider-Man Fake Red?* That was the manga of when We made history to get Dok reading a manga.
    3:38 seriously if people believe that and forgotten last year when Dan Sloth’s run Spider Man that advertised as *The End of the Spiderverse?* and when it end it obviously a bait and switch.
    4:24 It obviously the popular spider man villains not the obscure ones. I would like see an alternative version of The Wall or maybe Coldheart and she makes out with Frost Pharaoh, as you phrase it making ice.
    4:40 / 5:30 *Alex Segura also wrote Araña and Spider Man 2099: Dark Tomorrow novel.* And apparently the novel is canon to the comic, since Alex wrote Miguel to reference it as Spi, said I know Anya I voucher for her.
    You should review Araña and Spider Man 2099: Dark Tomorrow, Perch. Let me know if anyone read that Novel, I would like to hear your opinion on it.
    No one likes Kamala retcon to be a mutant. Seriously if what Cody Ziglar claims of Kevin Feige is reason that happened is true, then he should take responsibility for making that dumb decision.
    I just pause too, Perch. *Spider- Ramen?* what the hell? There a spider gonna shoot Ramen instead of webs? Oh god…
    7:52 are you serious? I don’t care about Savage Dragon but those Spiderverse comic sold more than Massive-Verse? Spawn, Transformers and G.I Joe? Blasphemy, I say
    8:27 Plus The Spider Society is supposed Anya and Ezekiel’s thing. Remember Anya’s Mentor, Miguel Legar, did ritual to save her by giving her powers and Anya is the next Hunter, so joins Anya joins Webcorps headquarters. But sadly it retcon that Anya is not the Hunter, the Hunter was the secretary lady who hate Anya. And after Miguel Legar dies Anya left the Webcorps
    Seriously Perch, track down Fionoa Avery, so she can explained what happened behind the scenes. I feeling that Joe Quesada is responsible of The Retcon of Anya being the Hunter just to make Anya Carol Danvers’s during the 1st Civil War.
    10:35 No there is no life left. Marvel Literally made an alternate future where, Miles’ Clones win and took over Brooklyn. Starling died, Miles’ Sister, Billie is a spider woman, and Miles “presumably” cheated on Starling with Black Cat knock-off
    And Black Cat knock-off is the Mother’s of Miles’ son. So. Yeah everything has been done.
    *Edit:* Then again In that Alternate universe Miles died when his sister was baby, how did she know that Miles like Dominican girls? Maybe Ganke told Billie about Miles’ taste in women.
    I want other heroes get more attention.
    Not the same Spider Man and Batman being definitely of money whores and milking them dry 24/7.

  • @CultureWorrier100
    @CultureWorrier100 6 місяців тому

    Marvel became silver age DC so gradually I didn't even notice it.

  • @menageriestudios
    @menageriestudios 6 місяців тому

    I like the first time they did it I got to see characters like mayday Parker spider girl again. It was a fun concept. Then they did it again I was ok with that then they did it a third time, and that is when I got tired of it. The fist two times had new spider people, spider Gwen came from the first time, but it also was about especially the first time, about different spider people that had been in a comic before coming together. Like spider-ham, and Spider-Man 2099. Even had about every costume Spider-Man has in it as if a version stayed in that costume. The third time was more about making new spider people for every diversity. That is when I said enough is enough

  • @ThatGuy-zj8kg
    @ThatGuy-zj8kg 6 місяців тому

    Comics: The original clickbait

  • @mrwho6163
    @mrwho6163 6 місяців тому

    3:31 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

  • @brianbordon6419
    @brianbordon6419 6 місяців тому

    There are no words to describe how much I loathe the Spider-Verse. It's right down there with the clone saga and one more day.

  • @matthewmilan6979
    @matthewmilan6979 6 місяців тому

    When are we getting the Perchverse or is it the Perchingtonverse? I'm just joking, we know that book you are working on is your retirement strategy so maybe 2040?

  • @jimgillespie6109
    @jimgillespie6109 6 місяців тому

    Dear Marvel:
    You need to cull the herd. Please contact your friends at DC and look into licensing the words "Crisis" and "Infinite" (and any variations) from them, then go to work. Seriously. Thank you.
    Sincerely,
    Every Freakin' Comic Book Fan on the Planet.

  • @FlameForgedSoul
    @FlameForgedSoul 6 місяців тому +1

    The problem with trying to piggyback off the success of the movies is that:
    1. Actually talented people were involved in making the movies
    2. Those people actually gave a fuck about what they were making and understood it wasn't about them, their pet cause, or self insertion.

  • @BoudewijnPiet
    @BoudewijnPiet 6 місяців тому +1

    I really don't know what to say.
    Afraid to tick people off.
    But i'll rather take a half pleasant to read issue of Asm..😢
    (This is an opinion please don't attack me.)

  • @AL-ws5yi
    @AL-ws5yi 6 місяців тому +1

    Ugh, please stop with the Spiderverse.

  • @sak2881
    @sak2881 6 місяців тому

    No, they’re terrible movies. Both of them.