My Concerns for the Future of Halo
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this episode: I discuss some uncomfortable truths regarding Halos recent History and its uncertain future, and how they concern me.
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It's another microcosm of the state of the broader entertainment industry today. Beloved franchises have, for a variety of reasons, been reduced to shambling corpses, kept animated through controversy. The old guard see no replacements. The newcomers don't understand the original appeal. What a mess.
This era is going to be looked at as a dark age in the entire industry, a plague of DEI and mixed with blind corporate greed
@@AbyssalSoda by dei you mean anyone not white working at these places right?
Cause that what literally every person who brings up dei means. Veiled racism.
@@rampagegamingg8434 got any proof of that beside your word?
@@rampagegamingg8434 Is that what they mean? Did you ask them that? Or did you just assume?
No, DEI is just racism, blatant racism disguised as inclusion when it's by definition, exclusion.
@@rampagegamingg8434you’re right and wrong Rampage. DEI is setting goals to hire specific amounts of people from certain races and/or creeds. Meaning that these companies will just pick someone who will meet their quota rather than a competent individual. I don’t care who makes the things I consume, as long as those things are quality. It just so happens that in the US, white people are the majority. At that scale the US is at, it just becomes a numbers game
14:18 let’s get it straight, MCCs multilayer took around 3 years+ to be functional and playable. The game launched in 2014 and wasn’t playable until the massive 2018 update. Fucking wild.
Actually early 2019. The May update.
Wrong. I played it in 2015/2016 and it was fine. Low population for sure. But it wasn't unplayable like it was in 2014.
It also was not fixed by 343, but a new studio who took over and fixed it.
Then 343, start adding new content.
@@LoremIpsum1919no it was not a low population, the games code literally was why the wait times were long. The team built it poorly.
Its such a shame, all these large scale corporations have these massive and expansive universes under their belts that the potential for limitless stories to be told and experiences to be had and all they ever wanna do dump all their resources into over confident uncreative corporate safe projects that either flop entirely or just do ok at best like youd think an entity that has millions at its disposal would be able to create the best work around but theyre either too scared, too uncommitted, of both to actually pursue something thatll actually result in something overtly successful
That's the modern world for ya. Low effort with a very high price tag.
Because with their hyper-inflated budgets, there's too much at stake; too much to potentially lose. When they dump the GDP of a small country into a video game, they want to basically ensure they will make their money back, so they make the most sterile, safe, inoffensive slop possible to ensure they don't potentially lose money on something that was *too* creative or *too* out-there to have mass-market appeal. It's why every AAA company is making the same freaking game right now; a generic 6v6 hero shooter seems to be the new trend, a few years ago it was the "linear 3rd person over-the-shoulder cinematic ghost train ride", and a few years before that it was battle royale.
It's almost as if a company's value is measured in their quarterly reports. If they take a gamble and fail, their margins won't be hit and investors will pull out. Remember, games exist to make a profit.
The issue I see is that 343 wants to keep the old fans in so much they pay for new games, books and other materials but don’t want their opinions or interest in anyway that isn’t superficial. Halo 4 barely feels related to Halo 3 in terms of narrative and art style, 4 doesn’t matter a lot to the story of 5, and Infinite was a bandaid solution because we all finally had enough. Ever since the beginning all they’ve wanted were new fans, it’s why they changed so much so quickly and it barely feels recognizable to pre 343 games and lore.
I have no faith or trust in 343 anymore despite the years of me thinking they were finally getting it right with Infinite. It’s been close to 15 years since they’ve taken the reins and it’s been disaster after disaster ever since without fail. Now hearing Joe was fired from 343 after everything he had already done and did was my breaking point.
If 343 weren’t artificially propped up by Microsoft they would have shut down years ago.
343 is Microsoft, Microsoft is 343. They are one and the same. The moment that 343 fails to deliver, Microsoft will just axe 343 and shelve the series of Halo forever. They will never in good faith give the rights to another studio. This is what corporations do.
@@KylePhantomK94 [C0RTANA Studios]
A man can dream
@@KylePhantomK94 why if they axed 343 would Microsoft not just hand Halo to a different game developer that will actually make them more money?
and if they don’t want to do that, make it open source and give it to the fans.
Part of the problem, and this isn't just limited to halo, is we have writers in who have no idea on how to build a expansive world. As someone who absolutely loves digging into a new world with high potential for lore, like halo, Mass effect, Kotor, Fallout....it's been nothing but a drought for the last ten years.
Infinite's campaign just doesn't have any ambition. All the producers know about Halo's story is the fact that Grunts are funny and Master Chief is cool. They have absolutely no clue of how expansive and rich the universe is, they just assume it's supposed to be a spartan story because that's all Halo ever used in its marketing. I love multiplayer, but it has ruined a lot of people's perception of the franchise over the years. 343 doesn't even care enough to make campaign content anymore and it's really sad. But I guess that isn't as profitable as charging money for cosmetics and getting brownie points from competitive players.
The lack of writing quality for many of these franchises is what made me pursue writing in the first place. I kept finding myself going "why didn't they do x, y, and z it is so obvious and easy, but its cool!"
But also in pursuing writing, I'm also realizing that a problem with alot of these writers (and many Halo fans are guilty of this) is that they can't discern the difference between lore, world building, character building, and plot. Halo 4 had plot, character building, and lore, but lacked substantial world building. Halo 5 lacked character building, plot, and lore, but was great for world building. Then Halo Infinite had character building, but lacked lore, plot, and world building.
It is sad to me that Doom, the game praised for having as little story as possible, has better character and worldbuilding, lore, and plot than most other games right now. (and this isn't a knock toward doom, I'm saying everything else should surpass Doom in this category)
@@emperorfridgethedude To be fair, Infinite's campaign did have ambition. But it was all cut because the game needed another 3 years before launching.
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I guess so.
This is why I kind of chuckled when he mentioned how 343 needs to go back to Halo's roots and take inspiration from the works that Halo drew inspiration from in the first place, e.g., the Bible and Dante's Inferno. It seems to be the case that most modern writers are extremely poorly read. How can they reference the Bible or Dante's Inferno when they've never read them and won't read them? Many modern writers think they're far more competent than they actually are, and they think they can write masterful works of fiction without standing on the shoulders of any of the giants that came before them. At best, they seek to reference other modern works of fiction that are similarly shallow.
I can't wait to have this same conversation in 3-5yrs lol.
THE GAME RATED T FOR TEEN WAS 20% OF THE ISSUE, THIS USED TO BE A RATED M SERIES
They've dumbed the series down to marvel avengers tier writing, plots and action
That caught my eye as well on the game case so messed up
I have always hated that they made it T instead of M everything does get dumbed down. Destiny started with a T rating and sometimes I feel that game would be even better it was rated M
A Most Detailed on the Halberd class destroyers would be most welcome.
EDIT: I see you've already done the Longsword. Something to watch after work.
As long as there's money the Chief will be put on life support. The halo universe and lore deserves respect.
Uhh, "things have been better since new management came in"? Did I hear that right? Canceled seasons? Increased shop prices? Infinite getting canned entirely? How is that better?
@@Aether-Entropy infinite getting dumped is a step in the right direction, this “live service ten year plan” seasonal battle pass bs that every game is adopting needs to die off like loot boxes did, but yeah how they’re shutting it down is scummy, they’re trying to drain every whale’s wallet while drip feeding the unreleased content they have in backlog.
Some people will go to great lengths to maintain their own Stockholm syndrome.
My brother, I’d watch a video you made on Underwater Basket-weaving if you made it. Loyal to the end. Brighter times are ahead. Stay strong.
I hope you're still able to thrive with Mass Effect or other Sci Fi lore. I'd for sure like to see your perspective and takes on things like John Ringo's Into the Looking Glass books or Battle Star Galactica.
Us lore junkies have been in despair
Ironically, there's over 20+ plus years of rich CANON LORE of the HALO world, which 343 could work with, yet over the years, 343 refuses to do any research and use it. The desire to play in a HALO world has become mentally painful. Now, the go-to fix is searching out canon via novels.
So, I hear that The Empty Throne and Epitaph are the most recent books in the Halo franchise. Anyone else think that those titles are as ominous for a franchise as Mercy Kill and Crucible, or is it just me?
That last message was beautiful. It's a dream scenario, but it'd be the obligatory obvious one if they want to have a better shot of longterm success
The one guy responding to all the comments saying people are lying about not liking the new games is wild.
The shame in this is that they had some departments on the right track. But using contractors on making the engine is ultimately why everything was so rushed and scrapped after a few months of support. They need to primarily focus on getting the team right and consistent before pursuing any new engine or lore plan without having to worry about an executive check box of the current market. Easiest way of describing it is confused. And needs a foundation that has actual focus on all levels of development.
"We're three years into what's supposed to be a ten year project"... THAT'S A SEVEN YEAR GAP. To kill it on the cusp of a 7 year gap is to mock the thing Bungie had with 7's!! Ugh!!!!!!
There's so much potential that they could do with Halo Infinite as a foundation. They could fully flesh out the story of what happened to Zeta Halo and the Infinity and then finish the battle against Atriox and The Endless. Then they could start fleshing out all the lore surrounding Zeta Halo.
My growing question is; when do we as the OG fandom base stop buying into new games that have, as stated in the video, been over all lack luster. When do we as a community speak with one voice, Do right by the franchise as a whole, don't hash it!
Well said
“Bringing the franchise to new audiences” doesn’t mean to corporate figures what it means to you and other optimists. Every time we’ve heard that, the IP to which that idea has been applied has suffered. Present day Star Wars and Star Trek do not have anywhere near the status or respect they once had and this sentiment is the core reason.
I'm really worried they'll leverage the CE remake as the primary vehicle for continuing the Silver timeline. The idea strikes me as both the last thing fans would want, as well as utterly on brand for Microsoft.
I at very least need a book to explain where blue team was during this time. Rubicon protocol was a solid book that gave some depth to infinite
Jus to add my comments to the mix, and I have said this before elsewhere, but if 343 DOES NOT follow through on their promise for Halo Infinite, I will NOT buy anything from them. Ever. They have broken our trust far too many times for the fans to continue to bail them out. Now, I am under no illusions that they will fix Infinite and provide 3-4 DLCs for the campaign, but that will dictate MY future with Halo. And I loved Halo. As far as I am concerned, they should hand the reigns over to a competent company for the future of this franchise.
Much love, 00, I’ll still watch your content. Can’t wait to see more updates on the suit
What happened to the hyper realistic armor build? I remember watching something on your helmet.
The value of your channel is how you come at things from a Science perspective, where you dig into things like a fictional weapon and pick apart how it'd work. Halo is just the initial platform you launched off of. You can tackle other stuff.
I think your format is meant for variety, not to be locked down to one subject. Look at RoanokeGaming, guy could have only done science breakdowns on one franchise, but he's a variety because his format is meant for variety. Science and deep breakdowns like yours are meant for variety.
What has been necessary to do but completely ignored by 343 is full sized spin offs, another halo wars, ODST or even a turn based strategy along the style of wasteland or gears tactic where you can customise your squad would be fantastic
*343 made Halo is NOT canonical. It's expensive Halo Fan Fiction.* It has deviated, altered, Retconned and hastily re-written Original halo lore FAR too much to properly fit the original narrative themes, timeline, events and character motivations. For the Record I am not denouncing it as "Bad".. but None of their Original work fits. it's a rather gobsmacking "Coda" to the rest of the works.
We're just plain not going to get another proper canonical Halo game if 343 is left to be the adjudicators / arbiters (LOLZ) of the current lore. It's just not possible as they have painted themselves into what should have been an easily avoidable corner.
Halo 3 was the end for me me. The minute the creators aren't involved in a project that they made and it's sent to somebody else the love is not there. The gaming climate is microtransaction city
If they made it like the novel, The Flood, it'd be awesome. However, I feel like 343 would make a product like DMC, the attempted Devil May Cry reboot.
I feel like a lot of UA-camrs see “negative content” as strictly hating the franchise whether it be halo or star wars or whatever. The thing is I’d say the majority of people being “negative” aren’t doing it out of malice they’re simply saying what it is. Like let’s not beat around the bush the franchise is in a mess and has been a mess since halo 4. I want 343 to do good desperately but until then we can’t just pat them on the head and tell them “hey at least you tried” that why we are where we are.
That being said I’m glad to see you finally saying what you are here. Maybe this will be the straw to 343’s back.
Get Activision on it....BUT....without live service crap, no microtransactions, co-op day one....oh, who am i kidding? We're screwed
Aside from Halo going to Playstation I agree completely, this is exactly what needs to be said and you said it beautifully.
If we're gonna go with a CE remake a good way to make it both the same and new simultaneously would be to expand cutscenes to show stuff from The Flood novel. Maybe even a level or two where you play as the ODSTs from the book
Halo is done. I was a die hard fan and I don't pay any attention at all to any articles or news about Halo anymore. At this point I could care less, fuck 343.
As far as the upcoming Halo CE remake goes, i think they should really take notes from Halo SPV3. I believe that mod for CE respects Halo much more than Halo CE:A did; innovates art styles from Halo 2, 3, and Reach, reimagines every level, adding additional dialogue betweem characters or adding entirely new areas to give a new take on the levels (Cartographer Evolved is a big standout), and even incorporates the Arbiter, and while his inclusion most likely isnt lore accurate, it still manages to give us some additional take on the game itself, and the events that happen. Even Alpha Base from Halo: The Flood is included. New weapons, armor abilites, reimagined music, but in a more respectful and ambitious way than I believe we got from Halo CE:A.
As far as 343 and the state of Halo, the company really mismanaged the IP, and I'd find it hard to see Halo making any substantial comeback while they have control over it. While Halo 4's story like you said, gave deeper themes between Chief amd Cortana I enjoyed, same thing with Infinite between The Weapon (Cortana 2.0 basically) and Chief, almost every other aspect of the games between 4 - Infinite didnt feel like they respected Halo. You can find hours of content on every poor decision that 343 made with every last Halo property they've been part of. Halo isnt a very complicated game - Campaign, Forge, Multiplayer, Customs, and Firefight. We've had to wait for Forge months after release, wait for them to add goated gamemodes like Infection and Assault, wait even longer for PvE content, and have had overall, lackluster campaigns and weapons sandboxes than the original games. And we're not even going to mention Halo TMCC, 5 years before it was fully functional, and even now i still have connections issues with near perfect internet.
343's just dropped the ball too many times to be trusted with the IP, is my TL;DR. Halo should be with another company who'll actually respect the Halo we had with the Bungie era. Halo was a cultural phenomenon back then. In the right hands, it could be again.
SPV3? Bruh, that sparkle fest is not good at all.
Funny? Maybe. Good? No, it's just halo 2 balance all over again
@@elecman748To each their own opinion, but after I played CE:A, and then SPV3 right after, I'd say SPV3 does a much better job at a "remaster" than 343's attempt with their Anniversary.
I played through on Heroic, and personally didn't have any issues with the balancing, and the sandbox given in SPV3 is large enough to give you plenty of options dealing with the different encounters in that game. They don't have to make a 1:1 iteration to SPV3, just to take notes and try something different. It took me over 10 years before I realized 343 redid the sounds for CE:A, but it's so hard to tell in that game, nothing is distinct, and the graphics are just rehashed Reach assets. Small gripes but they add up in the overall experience with the game.
I would say something along Ruby CE remastered would be better to keep the identity of the game. Maybe add some covenant ranks/brutes/weapons and new areas/dialogue and it would be nice. But 343 will never pull it off
Every new game these days lacks the passion that developers use to have. That lack of passion leads to a dead end every time. All these big devs care about anymore is revenue, so that naturally leads to a dead story without any true ending...they want it to persist to make more money, but they don't truly care about the longevity of player base. Halo has just died...they gave up on almost everything they planned on doing.
Honestly, beyond the "whoa look at this amazing spaceborne superstructure" aspect of the gsmes - the whole expanded exploration of the Forerunners thing has always left me pretty cold. Give me a bunch of games set during the 25+ years of the war over this soulless corporate-approved nonsense any day.
I've still got my old systems, the original versions of each of the Bungie games, and I'm satisfied with that. Nothing 343 has done has made the franchise better, to me.
If 343 botch the CE remake and Halo 7, enough is enough. 343 will have screwed up this franchise for over 15 years. We will have given them enough chances. If these are failures, 343 needs to be shut down. Then cancel the Halo franchise.
@@johnmichinock752 this gets said every single time; you already know exactly how this is about to go
@@_Mutt_If they botch a remake of the game that started it all, that’s different. That’ll piss off basically all fans.
@@johnmichinock752 Halo fans have said this every. single. game. since 4. "If this mess it up this time, I'm really seriously not gonna not like it! *Buys $30 skins*"
@@_Mutt_ There’s a difference between 343 screwing up their own game. But going back and remaking the one that started it all? You’ve got to either get it totally right or have everyone turn on you. 343’s already in hot water. If they get this wrong, they’re really gonna see many fans leave the franchise for good. How many excuses and chances are we gonna give them?
I don't know what future will reaerve for Halo.
But to me the whole story ended with Halo Reach. With the "Bungie-era" Halo.
The rest is something more that is not that bad, but to me, myself, personally, is not anymore canon.
Moreover I've decided in these days to expand one novel that I've written to make a crossover between Alien and Halo.
Still have to decide the title of such thing, but I'm working over it. Slowly, but continuously.
Gotta say fire team raven gave a cool and fun expansion on the story of halo ce and like if they are doing a halo ce remake then maybe add some of that. Have the origional levels but also expand on them, add new missions and maps or maybe even use the dire base from fire team raven (cant remember its name) as a staging ground for the main missions after Halo and have the fire base as a hub that you can help defend against on coming attacks form the covenant, and later the flood up until the final story mission on the pillar of autumn. Maybe have supply or support missions where you render aid to the marines or heck maybe assist in getting them to pelicans before the last couple of missions which could then end on the same ending except dor day the legendary ending after the whole "all thats left is dust and echoes" scene have a transmission come in from the pelican that's in the book based straight after the origional game which would be a good nod to the old story whilst also somewhat explaning how some marines including Johnson survived to the old fans whilst helping tie together the story's of halo ce to 2 without confusing newer fans and making the mcg an easier experience to follow just that smaller bit.
They hired people who hate it to make it. The hired a guy who's afraid of guns to make a game about shooting guns.
It's over. It's been over. The MCC is mostly complete, it's a worthy archive of the good Halo games. If we can get the Halo 2 e3 demo, I'll happily take that and the MCC and walk away happy.
I wholeheartedly agree with absolutely everything you’ve noted in this video. Being a longtime fan myself, as I grew up with the franchise. It has been to say the least difficult to know what a rich lore that 343 has to make reference to. I also understand that the industry is not the same as it used to be. Where games were created as a passion project for some of the most talented artist, developers, writers etc. in the industry. My hope is that as fans of halo 343 will take the soul of halo and introduce something that is polished for old fans to enjoy and have a level of nostalgia, but still have the level of detail that will bring in those new fans and become that first impression on the halo franchise. Tough balance to strike I know but bungie was able to maintain that 5+ games all while innovating.
If the Halo remake rumor is true; imo a good way to do it would be this.
Mode 1 - The story as presented with original launch
Mode 2 - The expanded story (if they do that)
I love our talks, really feels personal and airy ❤
When Reach fell, Halo died happy, accept that 2010 was it's death date.
No, it's not dead and will never die.
@@sgtaveryjohnson3803I’d have to disagree with that 343 has and never will make a “halo” game.
@@Epsilon-5 they made halo 4 and halobwars 2
@@sgtaveryjohnson3803 as far as I’m concerned those aren’t halo games, they may be called halo but they don’t look like feel like or play like halo.
@@Epsilon-5 of they're concerned with Sci fi and aliens and so on and involve the matter chief then they are halo games
It would be cool if they did a add on to the story like including stuff from the books like do the same halo ce and then give halo first strike to give more story to play could change some things if needed
That last minute. It hit hard. Thank you.
The solution is so obvious. Get the studio out of creative, get politics out of creative, get lore experts in with creative, get the industry best talent and give it the GoW 2018 treatment, not to say copy what they did, the outcome should still be familiar and Halo, a faithful reimagining. Best outcomes come from ambitious, capable and passionate individuals as part of a synergetic meritocracy.
Halo has no future. It was a lightning in a bottle, the same as the first Xbox.
It was great, we can still enjoy the original games, but there’s no future for this franchise.
except the Banished in Infinite are still barely reskinned covies because most of the enemies are still fucking blue and purple, theres about 3 different enemies that actually wear the banished colours, the vehicles are the only things consistently banished coloured
All this said, I think the conductory thread of this remake is the desire to expand the franchise to new audiences and see lightning strike twice for them in using the original tried and true formula of CE. In any case, whether they go the conservative route and change very little, or try to make it appealing to new audiences, it can't be both. It's just too hard to do both and as you said, 343 have struggled through that process for more than a decade now; as you mentioned. The obvious lesson they should have learned through all their mistakes is that they should not fvck with the fan's love for the franchise's legacy. Seeing as they always go trend chasing, my assessment is that they will do us dirty again and alienate the franchise from its core meaning just in seeking profit, sales and publicity. It is such an awkward state we are in, as was discussed, and there is such little chance that something good comes of it. If by some miracle they do approach this from the point of view of simply stopping their crazy pursuit for making Halo some monstrosity that governs all of gaming and just going back to basics by just sharing that first spark that captured our hearts and seeing what comes of it, we could have something decent. It would mean simply hearing the fans, seeing what they have theorised, wanted and added with mods and going in that direction. Adding some really safe content that is sure not to offend anyone. That seems so logical and obvious yet it seems so impossible. This realisation makes me crazy. Just stick to your game's ideas and see what happens, who likes it. Stop trying to control freak all of its success, you can't predict it. Let the game breath. Sure, it will be a leap of faith but just make the game that is meant to be and see what happens. Besides, if no one likes it, perhaps it just means it was not meant to be and you should just move on, but at least you will not have offended the ones that are sure to love it. You have to realise, that's your audience. Stop trying to force other people to love something that they just aren't into.
Brother the present of halo concerns me.
It's been jover for like over 10 years now lmao.
I'll always have my memories of 1 through reach, and thanks to the MCC I can continue playing through them yearly.
Idgaf what 343 does anymore
So for me, the current people in charge of it are trying to make a game for the company, not for the players or even the story. They shortcut the process of having a popular game. It’s not game=money. It’s game=playerbase=expansion=money.
21:47 additionally, bring in team digsite for the project!
"It's unbelievable how people are quick to criticize Disney as being the worst one but in reality, Microsoft is the problem. They have a tendency to hide their own faults and attack companies like Disney and Nintendo by paying for biased news articles that target other companies. Meanwhile, there is no backlash against Microsoft for ruining Halo with their pay-to-win game, Halo 5: Guardians."
its time for content creators like you, Luke xperia, game coders and modders to come together and build a new halo like universe and game
Jesus Christ. The amount of people saying “Halo is dead” is just wild. These people need to get real.
Man brought out the chair. This is serious
Halo ended with Reach and ODST, its OVER. And i'm kind of glad. Weirdo identity politics weirdos wanting to subvert halo don't DESERVE this amazing story. I want this IP to stay dead and gone until social politic issues simmer down so we can get some actually good spins on the story again instead of self righteous weirdos with a message to push get their grubby hands on the IP.
Wow. I could not have said the messages in this video better myself.
Much love Installation00
They could do some much with the remake, New Levels! IMAGINE A WORLD where new levels are added taken directly out of the books. I Dont like Battle Royals but hear me out on this, a BR that has the Flood as an Environmental Factor like the Ring that closes in on a area in other BR's except there is no center point to head, It's not too bad at the start, but gets worse as time goes on and Player Count decreases. At some point you're fighting Other Players while trying not to get over run and consumed by the flood, Players are then left with one Choice that is to Survive till the last man/team, be it holding off the Flood long enough that all other Player/Teams are eliminated or Following the Hordes and taking them out yourself. At the End the last player/team Wins obviously but instead of going for a new match they have the option to try and survive the Horde as long as possible, Halo Reach Lone Wolf style, for increased rewards or whatever the devs decide HOWEVER in the End the Flood consumes all, because that's ultimately what happens on Ring 04. HECK Lets say that when the final players die, it shows a cut scene of the ring exploding lmao, skippable of course
An irony, and repeated for ages, is I think games getting vastly superior graphics started a trend that 90% of the dev time/money was on just compiling the visuals. Last 10%? Figure out the story, mechanics, details, all on burnt out devs.
Halo just is in a bad spot tv show didn’t help things I think if the tv show was treated more like the games storyline you’d get the last of us effect. Thongs could turn around but there are legitimate concerns that 343 is killed halo and the universe is slowly dying interest wise. You said it perfectly
I haven't finished watching yet, so I apologise if you're not looking for suggestions.
If the Halo situation becomes untenable, i want to encourage you to consider branching out into other sci-fi, OR make videos about things you have the background to do well. You could make some purely scientific videos on materials science or apply your knowledge to other sci-fi works.
Other channels have addressed the lore of some others but I feel you could use your unique combination of skills to bridge the 'Most Detailed' series to other fictional universes. Ok i'll finish watching now 😊 cheers
343 just don’t have what it takes. You can’t replace raw talent and love with a group of randoms who don’t understand the franchise
The issue is that they didn't earn the right to move on to Playstation. They're ONLY doing this because some big ceo who doesnt even like Halo tells them to make it for PS because it will gove them more money.
It's so funny that you can use Dr. Iac Malcom's quote regarding Halo: You were so preoccupied with whethere or not you could, you never stopped to ask yourself if you should.
As long as I have a good community and forge with ai, I'll be a happy fan. But I'd love a more war story direction agein
The UNSC (Halo Fans) being pushed back to the core of our territory by the Covenant (343)
My apologies if this was specified in the video, but is the CE remake confirmed or is it still rumor?
Unconfirmed leak
I’d go on a ramble but I won’t. I think Halo and 343 should go independent. The reason why is KSP 2. I won’t go into depth but Take 2, much like Microsoft, doesn’t know how to make a good game taking financial risks and Take 2 possibly actually did kill the franchise versus Microsoft executives acting like they actually care about it. People go after the KSP super fan that was Creative Director on the project and while he wasn’t “innocent” he’s not to blame for what happened. I see all of the Halo community having played out all over again over this and I see one major string of issues: The publisher, greed, money, and spite toward the old developers and community through NDAs.
its interesting to see the sate of halo going through the somewhat the same thing as star wars is right now
I think you should make "negative" videos if you have legitimate complaints. Especially if you have constructive criticism, but you should even if you don't because someone else might answer with something constructive. Acknowledging problems and talking about them is the only way to improve things. More and more people have a philosophy of "Say good things or be silent" taken to the extreme, but silence is not going to help us make anything better.
Halo Combat Evolved is a great game but I seriously doubt it'll have the same impact for New Generation just because it has some new graphics and some gameplay tweaks like honestly I played Half-Life 1 for the first time ever on PC it was a fantastic game but it's story wasn't exactly anything to write home about and while I absolutely recommend it to anyone who likes first person shooters there's plenty of games today that you could skip it in your life would be just fine Halo might of revolutionize things way back in the day but it's not going to have that same impact now I certainly not going to sell consoles or whatever now that the culture is completely changed to
The only answer is to replay the old halo games, and make your Titan look like master chief and play destiny. The final shape is supposed to be really good. And it is a bungie game no denying that!
Without effort, I can think of no fewer than ten aspects of Halo lore that could make terrific games, books or animated series. As you stated, Halo is still a verdant universe just begging to be expanded on. The fact they can't harness some of that suggests a rather extreme lack of imagination or perhaps even burn-out. I wish 343 could be run by Halo fans who have the creativity and enthusiasm to tap into the potential that Halo has always had. I don't feel this is a copium post as I haven't fully engaged with a Halo game in years and am not as highly invested as some of us. From this more neutral perspective, even I can see there is still so much life in the Halo universe!
Yes indeed. Different perspectives on Flood containment and the Banished's conquest, Forerunner/Flood War game(s), maybe even Spartan vs. Innie stories.
+ The Created's conquest
@@CaptainDJ_VT Brilliant, thanks! There are so many and I wish game development was still focused on quality
Hot take fresh: *_343i hated Bungie's success and the fact that they were NOT the original team and the corporately ordained stewards of the franchise. Microsoft allowed it to get so bad, so that they could FINALLY have the control to the degree that they had ALWAYS wanted. The franchise under 343i's helm has been allowed to die, so that Microsoft and 343i can have THEIR halo. They hate the fans of the Bungie era, and never actually seriously intended nor wanted the series to go prime time to the big and silver screens. Microsoft has had it out for Bungie's IP's since the day Bungie left and especially after Microsoft acted like a child during the negotiations ongoing concurrent at the time with Halo 3, ODST, and Reach dev cycles._*
Meanwhile we the fans just want good games and for MicroMcLimpflacid to grow up. Also, Bungie devs that want to return to Halo, want to do so because they are passionate about the IP and the fans. 343i has screwed and been allowed to screw with the franchise for FAR TOO LONG. In final addendum, the "Silver Timeline" Halo TV Series is a calamity.
I agree with everything you've said
I really feel like the community needs to move the same way the world of warcraft community has. where warcraft youtubers pivoted to creating content on multiple games until more content came out.
343 has also struggled to pick an antagonist and stick with it for more than one game
On top of that, I feel like they focus too much on making their characters look cool at the expense of the villains.
I mean, cool. Spartans can tear through covenant troops like their wet toilet paper but then, how do you make a covenant villain threatening? What's the worst one elite or brute can do when you spend a whole game both in gameplay and out doggin' on them like you're a grown man at a kindergarten basketball game
If that made any sense...
exactly like Cortana felt like more of a meaningful Antagonist than Brutes again but their red this time. Like I hate the banished with every fiber of my being bc their just trying to make players keep fighting the aliens time and time again.
@Secret-Side-5 what you dint like ""oooooooh worst than the flood".
Or oooooooh I'm Mr floaty man.
Ooooor oooooooooh I'm the blue floaty woman in your head who having a bad day.
343 clearly has no confidence in any of their narrative ideas.
I’m gonna say something a little unpopular, but it might be met with some agreement from fans. I think that Halo needs to make other spin off games. Make another Halo Wars, make a Halo game focusing on a character(s) that’s not master chief. While simultaneously making the Halo games that do focus on him. They need to branch off. At the same time though at the end of the day, I still contest that the thing that ruined Infinite was it inability to be a finished game on release with everything it needed. With how many games come out nowadays and the options people have at their hands. It’s more important than ever to be ready at lunch and they failed. At the same time, they also shot themselves in the foot by following so many of the things that are hurting online gaming right now. It was a collective disaster… and that is coming from somebody who thinks that Infinite is actually fun to play.
343 should have done this from the beginning, they should have cut their teeth on a self contained Halo game similar to ODST or Reach before taking the reigns of the Master Chief storyline. I blame Microsoft for not allowing this to happen, I think their primary concern following Bungie's departure was to get the Master Chief back onto the front of Doritos packets rather than fostering the long term health of the franchise.
Dude… I’ve had this very same opinion for the longest time, I couldn’t agree more. They need to start using the EXPANSIVE lore, the stuff that we’ve barely seen yet. There’s so many different stories they could tell, so much potential. But instead they’ve been tunnel visioned for so long with the mainline games that it seems as if they’ve forgotten what makes Halo, Halo. It isn’t just the Master Chief, it isn’t just about the Spartans. It’s about every little thing that makes the universe so alluring. So many different plot threads that are already woven into the story, yet they decide to keep making their ‘own stories’. It needs to stop 😔
@@praeamble I mean nothing wrong with the Doritos you know but I hear what you mean lol. But ya Reach and an ODST type game might be needed.
@@nicwalker882 ya exactly, Chief ain’t all it. To me Halo is more interesting when it’s about the unknown. That’s why I like the original games because they were about discovering something that not only chief and all of them didn’t know about but also you the player. Chief is just a catalyst to that stuff cause he’s cool.
In hindsight, this is what should've happened.
You are my favorite lore content creator. Doesnt matter what world you cover im in. Halo has always been my favorite story universe but its been so long since i felt like it was being handled well. They need to hire some really good writers for the series and they need to stop treating their fans like we are expendable.
@@ianhoyt3426 I agree.
I believe you have a lot of core fans that would click on anything you make. I’d 100% click on a video of you explaining something as simple as “Flora and Fauna of Janjur Qom” or something like that 🤣
same i watch him, Hidden Xperia, and Mint Blitz. Ill watch anything. i know our fav series is dead and done but
@@ryanrules3827 But you still parrot the "linear bad" propaganda...
Halo died with Bungie, and Bungie died with Halo. 343 is puppeting a corpse, and Bungie is farming micro transaction hell.
The genuine love, care, lore-caring, and in some cases *edge lords of yesteryear* (lookin' at you GoW's David Jaffe...) video game creators are long gone sadly. At least most of them anyway.
@@gjtrue Those roles have started to be filled by the indy studios out there. The big development studios have become far too bureaucratic in their function for the games to be developed and explored by developers and programers. Failure is just far too costly for them to explore in the ways that created the original Halo series.
343 is the Flood.
@@mistermidnight1823then why do Halo fans keep asking for the Flood in Halo 😂
Both Games right now have Microtransactions lol. Stop pointing fingers. And if Halo is Absolutely dead, you seem pretty desperate in fighting over a Corpse. I wish the old angry ‘fans’ who just hate everything could leave for good and stop being so desperately invested in something that’s apparently dead!
My huge problem with 343's tenure over the franchise is their reliance on comics to advance, establish, and conclude storylines in their universe. Now thats not to say that there shouldn't have been any comics at all but i think its import to acknowledge that most people do not engage with cross-media stories. If you start a story in a game then it should be finished within a game. Similarly, if you want to draw on the events of a comic then you need to reference them properly in game and not assume people already know about them. Granted this in part due to 343's fear of their own narative arcs and a poor response to public criticism but its really no excuse for such a shoddy use of mixed media.
Well, you helped calm me down when you showed a better grasp on 343 failures as a developer than most.
Thanks.
I will never stop being bitter about the "linear bad/children on a pizzeria's basement" propaganda tho...
For real, imagine if Star Wars Episode 4 ended on a cliffhanger with the Death Star approaching Yavin-4, and then the next movie starts with the Death Star destroyed, the Empire gone, and some new threat you've never seen before, and you wonder wth happened, only to find out it was all resolved and established in a spinoff comic that maybe like 10-15% of moviegoers might've read.
People who play video games (or watch movies in this example) and people who read comics/novels don't have a lot of crossover.
@@fearlesswee5036 There are definitely some parallels between Halo and Star Wars in recent years. I'm particularly thinking of the gap between episodes 8 and 9 where, because of the polarised reception of the last Jedi (ala Halo 4 or 5 ), the Rise of Skywalker throws out almost every plot point developed in that film in an attempt to course correct, regardless of merit (in particular the whole message that you don't have to be descended from someone special to be a hero).
The most obvious example from the Halo side is certainly Cortana as a villain. Regardless of how much it might cheapen the ending of 4, or feel like a character assassination, there are genuine emotional stakes involved in a story dealing with Chief vs Cortana (or indeed the possibility of Chief hunting Halsey after Spartan Ops) that deserve more than just being swept under the rug.
yeah, simply put external sources shouldn't be mandatory to understand what's going on, lets take the fall of reach book and first strike book as examples, they elaborated on the lore around the games and increased the resolution on vague background story beats while not really overruling the lore in the games, nor were they necessary to understand the lore of the bungie era games
I had concerns years ago. Today, I have resignation. The Halo we loved died a quiet death a long time ago, and it's just taken us until now to realize it.
But this is the way things often go in life. Stories do not last forever, no matter how beloved. Maybe someday Halo will be rediscovered and reborn, and the same magic as infatuated us will be experienced by future generations. But for now, I have accepted that the moment has passed. Halo is dead. All we can do is remember it.
If Halo is dead you still seem pretty invested in a corpse.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Don't kink shame.
@@jakespacepiratee3740Because of all the good times there were before it went sour.
@@bthsr7113 if ‘remeniscing’ is shutting down any potentially positive talk about the new Halo Games then you need to get a less depressing hobby
If true... The murderer's name is akira toriyama, widow of Jeffrey Epstein.
Not like the "antilinear, power level based and mtx-pilled" chimpanzees will ever admit it...
I’m sure I’m not alone in the knowledge that I have zero faith that 343 will ever bring Halo back to its original glory. Lore wise and in game. As far as I’m concerned anything past halo 3 is fan-fiction. I have no faith that 343 ever had a vision for halo, they simply were stuck with it, stringing it along with a minimum of effort.
It's all fan fiction.
Halo 3 itself is fan fiction with how God awful the writing is and how they killed off two good characters 0 justifiable reason. As far as i'm concerned halo ended on the halo two cliffhanger And we never got a cannon sequel
Lore for Halo hasn't been bad. It's the games' execution that has been a colossal failure. There's enough books to add to that, but the issue is that 343i never develops and allows the main stories and villains introduced in the games to end in the games.
Halo will never be returned to its golden era for you guys because most of y’all are 30 years or older lol. You guys are clinging on to nostalgia of the past days. The Halo trilogy was fantastic for its time but if those exact games came out now, they would be lambasted for its thin storylines and lack of content in MP. Times change, move on or become a bitter fan of something you used to love.
@@mariobadia4553 At the time I played Halo 3 (circa 2010), I immediately picked up on the fact that a) Bungie were ending the series as a trilogy, so character deaths are expected, and b) Installation 04B could not kill the Flood given the specifications of the Halo Array...unless 100,000 years of R&D made a Halo ring that could actually work against the Flood, and c) Miranda and Jacob Keyes were established as running around with no armour on back in CE and 2. I also viewed the 'To War' line as a little nod to Jacob Keyes never keeping his pistol loaded, possible contemplation of suicide, and inferred from that line that the UNSC forces had been in full on retreat, fleeing from bunker to bunker for months.
I’ve been a die hard fan of Halo since the glory days. I think the main issue with the franchise has always been one of direction. So many people have their ideas of what Halo should be, managers had their ideas of what it should, and the publisher has their idea of what it should be, and none of them are in sync. I think this rumored remake may be their attempts to get those groups on the same page. If it happens, it could be a good thing. Look what happened with the Resident Evil franchise
Impossible when some people in charges hate Halo and fire their best assets. Their ego is oversized.
@@HuskySansVergogne from what I saw, it seems like some of those bad faith managers have left 343. So we can hope that those who take on those roles will be better for the franchise as a whole.
IDK why ppl are so hopeful, none of the parent companies are making good decisions. Failures all the way down the tree. Even game pass will fail, not because it's a bad idea, just because Microsoft is a failure of a company and all it's children.
@@johnnylaw8168 cope
@@infernaldaedra hope, not cope. I’m not so willing to delude myself that I think this is the outcome. Nearly holding on to hope for a potential positive
Hey 00, could you do a video covering what CE was originally supposed to be, before all the cut content and reworks? Maybe give some light onto what a CE remake should be, if it is faithful to the original intent? I was born a year before CE came out, so i think many "younger" fans would appreciate a deep-dive into what we missed there. Thanks.
So i made the decision at halo 5 that if the writing and direction goes to the point that i need to walk away from halo the end of the story is halo 4. I like the feeling of the ending for this is like the end of a journey. Chief is back at earth, cortana is dead and so are.most of who he knows but he made it home. The solitary survivor. With one final scar.
That's a good way to look at it. It's also fitting that Halo 4 is the last game in The Master Chief Collection, so when playing MCC, you can see it as the end of Master Chief's story.
@@matthewk4912 ending of spartan ops would be a little frustrating, like the story should continue but it was another plot thread they didnt do anything with anyway.
@@ianhoyt3426 Yeah, Spartan Ops wasn't popular enough so they cancelled the "Season 2" DLC and finished up the storyline with the Escalation comics.
There were big things that happened in Spartan Ops that had huge ramifications for the Halo universe, such as Halsey joining Jul's Covenant remnant and both the UNSC and Jul's faction finding halves of the Janus Key that leads to all Forerunner tech in the galaxy. And 343 just decided to just drop everything. They're like the anti-Kylo Ren, they will never try to finish what has been started.
@@matthewk4912 i honesrly thought it was going to be part of the story line for halo 5 and why the chief went rogue in the first place. I also really loved spartan ops and i wish they continued it. They really cant finish anything they start. How.much do you want to bet the next halo game will be another year in the future and everything has been resolved agaon
@@ianhoyt3426 same. Probably one of the very few to complete Spartan Ops and I liked the idea of the Janus Key and a race to find Forerunner tech/worlds.
The possibilities for Halo 5 could've been amazing.
Instead, like @matthew4912 said, Halo 4 is my end to Master Chiefs story.
That being said, I did enjoy Halo Infinite up until release of S2 and no word of campaign dlc.
Story was dreadful but I liked the trio of Chief, Weapon & Brohammer.
Give us an entire second playthrough of Halo CE from Arbiter's perspective. Show us the story we were only ever told.
DLC - Johnson's escape...lol
That is extremely creative and something I'd look forward to, however this is 343. They'll come up with the most creative way to ruin the franchise
Actually that's a spinoff I can get behind
@AbyssalSoda What if it wasn't a spinoff, though?
Hear me out here, I've got two ideas of how it could work off the cuff.
First would be to weave the Arbiter's perspective missions into the original campaign from CE. Similar to Halo 2, but this might feel a tad more janky because we never got his side the first time. But that leads to option 2:
Have two separate campaigns, distinct from one another, one being Halo CE and the other being the Arbiter's perspective. That way you could either jump between the two as you saw fit while playing, or it could be something where beating the original campaign unlocks the arbiter's perspective so you can see the whole story from his eyes now.
There are options. It just takes someone actually doing something about them.
How do I put it…… yes and no
It would work in every sense of the way and would be bought by millions but they would lie to us the entire time and we’d pay for a 1/8 of what we were shown and promised. Oh no you’re going to create your own game company and do it differently I hear?? After the start up cost and you get enough employees to make a game in todays age a 1/4 of your staff is just money hungry and don’t say you are because you just put up a few million to get this off the ground; then to make even on your loan for the spot and all you bought ….. year or so goes by all settles down time to make the halo of our dreams /// not so fast you have to buy the rights to halo to use any of their stuff without getting sued by the time you get the rights if you ever do you’ll be so financially screwed you’ll be putting micro transactions on the start menu.
Id love to see it but honestly it’s just a fart in the ocean
We need the gaming industry to invest in creative passion again. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's the trend for AAA game developers. I feel like AAA industries all want now is profit, no customer loyalty.
When Final Fantasy XIII released, "fan royalty" (same as dbz supposed value) was outed as the Great Journey-esque lie it was.
Complaining about a sequel's actual shortcomings?
Or better to complain about 90 of gaming with the "linearbad" retardcy?
Open worlds lead to microtransactions, microtransactions lead to gambling, and gambling... leads to failure.
Halo, as your typical _LINEAR_ shooter, got in the crossfire, would've eventually anyway, but dbztards actively went out of - their- its way to attwmpt to kill it.
"linear bad", literally the qanon of gaming...
And 343i does have massive problems: can't follow through on a single arc, botched releases (more of an issue with every anti-FFXIII, pro cancer triger AAA release, but still), and a reliance on the books that even _MatPat_ would be annoyed...
Nah, let's all bitch about sprint when level design no longer exists...
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe That hit like a ton of bricks
@@CaptainDJ_VT Sorry for that, but I'm just tired of people pointing fingers at innocents while screaming "witch, witch!".
I imagine everyone is to some extent
It was over when 343 took over. With every new release Halo fans get excited again "this time Halo will be back" etc. All the while every game 343 has made or remastered has fucked up at some level or insane levels of incompetence. They can't even make a tv series out of it with so many books games and other material. 343 should be an example on how to NOT run a company. It's absolutely unacceptable, sad and hopeless the state Halo has been in since 343 took over.
Personally i believe the suits rushed ahead too far in the timeline of halo going for increasingly fantastical forerunner shit and Spartans galore which really cheapened a lot of it (you see this in many other franchises controlled by committees).
More time and media should have been devoted to the more gritty military side of halo even pre-UNSC, the Jovian Moon campaigns, the CMA, The Insurrectionists ect, it's always annoyed me, The Great War was fought by countless billions of regular Naval, Army, Marine and air force personnel, probably thousands of epic and tragic last stands, delaying actions, feats of bravery and vengeance, both military and civilian, Navy crew knew that every combat situation was basically a suicide mission and still they fought.
Millions of Army garrison forces died ensuring just one more ship loaded with civilians made it off planet, Marines were everywhere constantly alongside ODST's reinforcing needed areas and the ODST's were going on deep raids and suicide runs before the Spartan III's made their ill fated raid on the Covenant refinery.
And.We.See.None.Of.This.
I think that the franchise needs a hiatus before something abitious as a CE remake. They couldn't even satisfy their own audience in this last decade and now they're moving for the rival audience lol. If people already forgot H4 also aimed to expand Halo in this way.
A remake, remaster, rerelease, or reimagining ever being described as "Ambitious" is a complete joke.
We need to stop feeding into this crap and make it clear we want something new, something better.
It's already been three years since we were able to first play Halo Infinite. The hiatus has already been fulfilled.
@@jrgonzalez3845the RE2 remake was definitely ambitious. So was final fantasy 7’s.
But yeah halo will still be an FPS its not like they are gonna make it a VR game…
You know like half life
@@bigdaddynerono it has not, the series needs to go away for like 7 more years
@@RusticRonnie Was 6 years not already enough?? Lmao.
The situation has been frustrating for me as a player that discovered Halo with Halo 4. I went back and played through the original games and I fell in love with the franchise, but then with every new game 343 has seemed to fumble in one way or another.
I greatly enjoyed Infinite's campaign, but as you said they weren't able to maintain the support they promised. I have no animosity or anger toward 343, I legitimately believe they are trying their best and think they are capable of getting the ship back on course but the concern is always there.
I would really like to know how much the story writers know about the lore and history of Halo because 343 never seem to use any plot threads that would be interesting for example using Zeta Halo and basically ignoring all of its history
Great video. I hope whatever they do next is good and helps revive things 🤞