Guitar Tips - this SECRET of the pro's will transform your playing.
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2024
- This amazing technique is rarely covered in guitar lessons, but it is utilized by Robben Ford, Larry Carlton, SRV, Steve Morse, Vince Gill, John Mayer, Pat Metheny, Birelli Lagrene, Eric Gales, Guthrie Trapp, Keith Urban, Ulf Wakenius, Kenny Smith, Scott Henderson, George Lynch, Matt Schofield, David Gilmour, Micheal Landau, Tom Bukavac and SO many more!!!
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Great advice. I do it too!!! Thank you!!!
I love your enthusiasm when explaining things. Great video, thanks!
Great class!
Many thanks!
VERY COOL !!!
Great advice, Iv'e been rounding pointy picks on my grinder, finding that lead playing is a little smooter and faster. Also doing that on my tumb picks which are often too long - Thanks 🙂
Great tip!
I heard this but never paid attention until your video , I'm going to try this !
I am glad this could be some help.
This is something most guitar players really don't think much about. Not only does changing your grip change the sound but different thicknesses and shapes and materials really make a huge difference in your sound. I now keep several different picks on hand and sometimes that is really what lets you dial in that tone you are looking for.
Thank you - this is EXACTLY why I wanted to make this video. I think that this should be a legitimate technique endorsed by guitar teachers. If we teach alternate picking, sweep picking, economy picking, etc…….. we should also teach students that this is an excellent technique that produces a unique tone.
Yep! Thickness, material, and grip all effect the tones.
SANTANA uses Yamaha large triangle heavy picks. The one I have is white with gold letters says Yamaha. Eric Johnson uses Dunlop red jazz3 picks. John Petrucci uses Dunlop Black Jazz 3 picks. Seems like so many guitarists I met that went to Berkley uses Jazz 3 picks. Most that I've ran across touring use Delrin with names and logo of band or a saying or a drawing. Steve Vai's pick while on your with David Lee Roth had his name and on other side said "eat em n smile" and a drawing of boobs. Nancy Wilson's pick was the shape of a red heart, with her name.
Yes - it is really more common to use the pointy side of a pointy pick; I made this video to highlight how many truly influential guitar players used either a rounded pick or the round edge of a regular pick. I don’t think there is enough instruction on how to play like this and it really adds a unique “flavor” to your picking.
You could of course switch to playing with a thicker pick. The pointy end remains as such, but due to its increased surface area the resulting tones are more rounded and smooth sounding. The angle at which a player holds the instrument also affects how the pick strikes the strings, resulting in a huge tonal difference between pick types. In summary; there are no secrets to perfect tone!
Agreed - tone is all about listening to yourself while you play and learning to get a sound you love!!
thicker picks also popped in my mind and there was confirmation already. Angus Young is the one.
3mm jazz picks 👍
Funny 3 mm is thin for me 😅
Thicker picks ALWAYS sound dull and shrill to me. I’ve experimented a lot and settled on a .88 Dunlop flow
When I play I tend to utilize different edges of my pick for different approaches depending on the sound I'm going for
That is exactly how you should think about it….. there is never any single way to do anything and with guitar there are a million approaches and so many ways to get a unique personal sound. Always want to be expressive and for people to admire your tone…… it goes a long way.
The Edge plays holding the pick sideways- using dimpled “Herdim” brand light (yellow) picks. The dimples scrapping the strings is much of his sound- with modulated delay and octave up reverb of course!
Heck yes he does!!! I can’t believe I forgot to mention him!!! Actually; Keith Urban does a VERRRY similar thing…… doesn’t use a Herdim pick, but he DOES use the scratchy grip-side of a latex pick. Side-note - I bought a Herdim pick and they are lots of fun to play around with……
I thought Edge uses blue Herdims?
@@robertsebastian7903he does use blue Herdims - very cool pick. he plays the round edge which has the scratchy “grip” surface.
@@robertsebastian7903i thought it ght so too until 72’s stage managergave me a show ysed yellow herdim The Edge used in a Montreal show on the 360 tour 🤷♂️
use a dava pic with the rubber coating and flip it that really mellows the tone.
Wow - I bet that almost sounds like playing with your fingers
Hi young Joseph, thank you for sharing you're very useful discovery, which I find actually works! I have applied this method on some of my guitar favourites and I have noticed a much improved sound that I kind of like and will use this on the ones that it compliments the best. Take care and best wishes from Vic in the UK.
That’s wonderful Vic!! I am so happy this was useful…….. keep exploring and trying new things!!😊
Nifty.
Great advice! I actually came across the same conclusion by chance, my pick was just too soft for some heavy down picking, so I switched to the rounder side, and that for me made a huge difference. I could play a lot faster. But then it also improved my strumming and arpeggios. But then I also found that smaller and harder picks, such as Jazz III or D'addario NYLPRO jazz pick work the best for me.
It was really interesting for me to do all this research and discover all the famous players that play with a rounded edge pick….. I grew up shredding and it never would have occurred to me to try it this way.
Just so you know, five seconds in the video and you made me pick up my guitar. And I wasn't even in the mood, so thanks! 😁
Awwww man - I am so glad you liked the video!!😊😊
@@joefriedmanguitarnut Loved the opening jam, I only wish it was a bit longer
On the sunject though, I found my cure in 2mm picks which is the equivalent of the fat part of thinner ones. They completely unlocked my playing
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This is how I do it, it does sound fuller to me and feels more solid, I think it’s a little harder to play faster though
Which Brand makes that guitar strap? SRV would POP the strings using down strokes or only up strokes?
I think the guitar strap is Levi’s……. I’ll have to check. SRV, I think played whatever he felt was expressive. Probably mostly popped the strings with an upstroke; I heard that in an interview, but I don’t think there is any rule as long as you can achieve the sound you are looking for.
Been playing 'on the side' pretty much from day 1. The pointy side would always spin. Much smoother and mellow on the side!
Yeah - it’s true……. Once you start it is hard to stop!!
Great video and very important information. For most of the time that I’ve been playing, I used Fender medium gauge jazz picks, about five years ago, I started experimenting with many others in various gauges, thicknesses and edge finishes (Dunlop, Red Bear, Ernie Ball, etc.). I recently found the Hell Guitar Parts’ Super Black 2mm pick. It’s beyond amazing. It has a wide bevel, and textured sweet spot. The best I’ve ever used and produces a tremendous tonal quality on every instrument that I own.
I am going to try out this pick u suggested…… I love collecting picks and seeing what they do. 2mm is pretty thick, but actually that is what Oz Noy uses….
I'm using a Dunlop Gator black (2 mm) with a 45 degree DIY bevel (90 degree corner in the tip). With Josephs' advice to use the rounded corner, it's even better!
MY DUDE! you're right! over 18 years no one told me about this! thank you!!
I am so happy that this was helpful😊
I use a Fender Heavy pick that I round off the "shoulder" by filing it even more round. I only play acoustic, but it does "mellow out" the tone and gives it a rounder, softer sound. Sharp pick = sharp sound...rounder pick = rounder sound. I still experiment with pick thicknesses and shapes to find the most comfortable and tonally pleasing combination.
I'm not a mandolin player, but I've heard that a lot of those guys use thick, almost round picks because they will glide over the double strings easier than a pointy pick when they are picking really fast bluegrass runs.
Yes - it’s true; a lot of bluegrass players use rounded picks on both mandolin and guitar. Interesting that you file your picks. I know bluegrass guys that use real tortoise shell picks and they are constantly sanding and polishing them.
I started with Guitar long before social media. If whe wanted to learn something, we had to try, whatever gear was available. Instead of listening to thousands or even millions of youtube guitarists, the only thing we could listen to was the sound of our instrument. Every beginner soon hears and feels the different sound and feeling of different picks. When first time playing a twelve string you start to wonder why you stick beetween the strings. It´s much more important for an acoustic player to realize this. Your pickup fiveway switch is the position of your hand, and your tone knob ist the material of your pick. 🙂
I love your backing track .How do I get it ?
Lemme see if there is a way I could post it……. Gotta go thru my Logic files and see what I did with it.
Joseph, you're a genius. This works with heavier pick gauges also. I use 2 mm picks in the familiar 357 shape. I file a 45 degree symmetric bevel all around, but I only polish the pointy tip of it for playing with; the rest is just for pick scrapes and a consistent appearance. So, I tried nicely polishing up one of the rounded corners and wow! It's really amazing for speed as well as string skipping accuracy. With the rounded corner, you only slightly have to dig into the strings to get more attack. This is important on my guitar which has 36 frets: I'm picking over frets, and so there is little room. Speaking of Steve Morse, this makes the Tumeni Notes arpeggios easier to articulate!!! It just rolls off like a popsicle stick in a bicycle wheel.
😂😂😂 I don’t know if I’m a genius, but I appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching and I am glad this was helpful…….. if you can play that Steve Morse stuff, then I am gonna need a lesson from you 😂😂😊😊😊
I can see value in this by using the pick the normal way to strum and then turning that same pick and using its side to play leads and squeals. Thanks. I'm subscribed now.
Absolutely - some people do it all the time, some switch it up, and some never do it…….. up until recently I had actually never tried it and now I love it!
Great! I transformed my sound by using a thicker and more rounded pick. My guitar, an Ibanez JEM floral -97, sounded a little bit harsh and wanted a smoother sound. Did'nt change pickups, changed pick instead. Voila! You're right, not many talk about this. But you've got a lot of views, so it's out there now.
I am so glad this helped…… I bet with an Ibanez Gem guitar it probably sounds.a little like Steve Morse or George Lynch!!
One of the best things about this technique is that you don't need a compressor pedal with it (for funk rhythms, for example). It has a smoother, less spiky sound.
Wow - that is pretty cool….. I never thought about that.
I found playing different guitar picks not only changes your tone but mostly changes your playing and something I would never expect happened... now I like most playing with Dunlop Flow 4.2 mm and some wooden 6mm picks 😮🙂 It took me some few years to figure it out and my playing is more accurate now I feel more confidence. Same with string gauge. Great video 👍
Thanks man - I have been going down a rabbit hole with guitar picks for a while. It might be one of the most influential parts of my sound. Eric Johnson and SRV sound very different, but they also use very different picks. Makes a difference.
Thanks. I thought I was crazy for doing this..
Don’t worry - you aren’t crazy!!😂
By the way, on the topic of people commenting that they file the tips of their picks off: there is an Eric Johnson version of that Dunlop Jazz III which is rounded rather than pointy.
Really?? I was trying to find it online and couldn’t……. The Jazz 3 picks are interesting - I went thru a phase with them; I keep quitting them for some reason. They give me speed and a good tone but something always bothers me about them……. Everybody loves them though.
the guitar pick is it's own instrument
I totally agree man!!
I “picked” up this “tip” when I first started playing because it instantly warms up an acoustic guitar’s attack.
I don’t want to play special picks I can only find in the forests of Endor. I want a versatile, easy to find and harmless to lose pick.
I recently discovered Golden Gate (mandolin) picks. Quite firm, but very round. They really give the guitar a mellow sound, almost too quiet at times, but anything else I use now sounds way too harsh
I found this out quite accidentally when playing with a worn-out, tired light pick. I had a few of these lying about and wanted to use them for droning exercises (saving the good picks for making music). I focused on the curved end and stumbled across that tonal difference. There are boutique picks that offer rounded edges for just such a purpose.
I subscribed to your channel, but I have one request: if you say "Here's the thing I want to reveal", please reveal it. Continuing with a prolonged preamble is modestly frustrating. Requesting viewers to "Like" and "Subscribe" is understandable. Saying "Here it is", continuing the preamble, brings out an uncomfortable anticipation. I did enjoy that once you brought out the pick as a tone-creating part of playing, you demonstrated your point quite nicely, thank you.
Thank you for the advice - my dad told me the same thing actually😂…… glad the video was helpful to you. I am still very new at UA-cam; I have a lot to learn still.
You can add Rich Robinson from the Black Crowes and me to your list. Lol. I found that out when I was in a BC's Tribute band back in the mid-2000s. I got so use to playing that way I still find myself rolling the pick to the side without thinking about it. It definitely adds to the tone but I still use the point for a few songs.
That’s awesome!! Do you still have a Black Crowes Tribute band?? That’s a great idea!
Enjoyed your presentation. I have been using Fender 347 plectrums for 30 years, and I cannot play very well with 251s anymore… I like the surface of the plectrum that makes contact with the strings. 251s are fine for strumming, but I cannot play lead Confidently without my 347s. Hopefully this revelation will help someone out there.🫶✌️♾️
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Those are great - I have been also experimenting with the little fender jazz picks that Danny Gatton used.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut like a sixpence with a point on it😁. 🎸👨🏼⚕️
The pick advice aside, how about a tab chart (or lesson?) for that outstanding tasty rhythm part you were jamming to. That hooked me right in. (Looks easy enough, but I like to be sure I'm doing it right) Thanks so much.
Thanks man - that is very kind of you. I am still new to UA-cam, so; still trying to figure out how to do cool video stuff like tablature. I promise to have more stuff like that in the future.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut I look forward to it. Subscribed. Thanks, my new friend. - Jstn
You could have a thicker pick AND flip the pick around just like Birelli Lagrene!
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I sand the point off my picks.
Dang!!! I never tried that!!
That's funny. I thought I was the odd one playing with the pick sideways - it's always given me better grip and better pick attack in lead or rhythm. Good to know I'm in good company LOL...
You aren’t odd - it’s TRUE; a TON of legendary guitar players do this and it creates a unique and special tone that is worth having in your arsenal!!😊
Really?? That’s awesome - I am going to add him to my list. I think my whole thought process was to highlight how many top guitarists flip their picks around and play with the round edge all the time, yet guitar teachers online really give NO instruction on how to do it. Like - there are a MILLION “how to shred” videos; realistically, I don’t get asked to “shred” that often in real life, but I DO feel like having a beautiful sound and expressive tone goes a LONG way. Thank you for the info. 😊
Man you sound good
Thank you brother - that means a lot to me.
I've always used dunlop's stubby pick, much to the hilarity of most people who say it looks like a partial eaten boiled sweet.. however it does give you a bigger sound.
I enjoy using a thicker pick as well often times, but I still think that the pick turned on its edge has its own flavor. I don’t actually play that way all the time, usually I play a 1.5mm pick with the pointy side, but I try to have as many options as possible.
Neil Schon was the first I heard say that he holds a pick that way.
That’s pretty interesting! Metheny said he did it bc he didn’t know any better.
Metheny also plays a thin pick!!!
@@joefriedmanguitarnut How do you know? That would be strange.
@@renakmans3521there are plenty of articles out there where Metheny talks about growing up in rural Missouri……. He could only get his hands on these thin picks, so he got used to them. Not only does he use the round edge of the pick - he ALSO folds the pick a bit in his fingers because it is so thin in order to make it have more attack.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut Strange bc when you see his pick taped to the top of his guitar they look flat and fit under the tape.
@@renakmans3521they are flat; they are just plyable so he squeezes them in his fingers
Hi There. All that you have effectively done is changed the Q of the EQ to a broader Q resulting in less High Frequency emphasis.
Maybe…… I personally tend to get confused when tone changes are explained to me in terms of EQ settings (I work with an audio engineer who frequently does that to me). Sort of led me to strange solutions for simple problems. Like, can you EQ any amp to sound like one that u like? Hasn’t worked for me. As far as the pick though, turning it around removes some of the attack - Birelli Lagrene says it “shouts less”😂😂😂😂. You may be correct about the EQ though.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut It's like the Brian May technique , with the wider pick your grabbing more of the string. If you think about what's going on above the 12th Fret . When you're beyond the the fetboard selecting notes in the higher octaves with you're pick but with the wider plectrum you just get a bunch of frequencies instead of a few. Have fun anyway 😁 thanks 👍 John.
@@johnwebb2562that’s a really fantastic point - UPPER register notes have MORE “body” to them with the rounded pick!!
I realized a while ago that I do turn the pick sideways, not always but generally, I never knew why but I do now
It really is a very sweet tone…… I love the sound that Guthrie Trapp gets with just guitar, pick, and amp.
Been doing that for years … but with a Fender Heavy; I find you get more control, and if you want to dig in and really articulate, you still can …
Interesting - you like it better with a fender heavy; so does Robben Ford and Scott Henderson…….. I think I will try that for a bit and see if I prefer it to the sound of the medium.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut My experience moving from the Sideways Fender Medium ( which is a good pick! ) to Sideways Heavy was: it felt a bit strange for a couple of days, but I soon found I could dig in more, and somehow, it's a touch more accurate - though of course, your mileage may vary, but I'd definitely recommend giving it a try 👍
@@CusterFluxAny difference to tone between the two thicknesses?
@@xderiwxVery slight, but for the most part, too tiny to notice and you'll naturally compensate without even realizing it - I found the small gain in control with the heavy pick to be worth it.
Tone also depends on what material the pick is made if Cellous, Delrin, which I use ,Tortex , stones, wood, all types of materials. I use Delrin .88mm or .96mm I buy by the gross. Picks last along time. When I first bought a half gross lasted me 15 years but now I give so many away. Uf you want to try a pick try a Shark Fin pick. You have various edge types to get various tones. They are nice to ckeck out. I use these also. I use the pointed end of the Delrin , they're beveled on each side and with the material being slick they go across the strings real nice and fast if you want, I tilt my picks at different angles and for certain tones and for various attacks and I may hold the pick flatter for rythm areas esp onmacoustic. I have a smooth tone even if digging in just depends on what tone I'mlooking for, but I can get it to bite in and harmonics are easy with the way I hold a pick . It's just not how you hold your pick it's about tech and the various tones you may want through out a song or songs. I use the Delrin. .72mm or 76mm on acoustics Don't just try one type of pick or brand. Go to the shop and look at picks try some out on the guitars at the store, buy a number of different types shape thickness brands. You just might find something you like better or may want to experiment with. Try it ,I did and still do. Playing changes, tech changes,amps ,guitars effects so do picks. I don't use or hold a pick because others do, I use them and find out what I can get out of a pick for my tone. I love,sustain, smooth full tone and I get my tone no which guitar of mine I play and the picks I use. Stevie Ray used Fender Ex heavy and would not just wear them down but freak them. I have a few of his picks when I spoke with him years ago when he was on tour with Jeff Beck. Would have got a pick from Jeff but he couldn't give me skin off his fingers. SRV gave me a pick he had in his pocket at the time, alittle worn down he said that was just from sound check and he's always playing guitar. I use to build custom guitars and I had him play one of my 12 strings acoustics he loved it. I have picks from Steve Vai, Joe Walsh, Richie Blackmore from when I worked in the studios with them. I have a huge pick collection that I made into a piece of art inside a huge framed with picks of various shapes, sizes with the artist name on them and doubles if they had logo or something else on the other side. I have picks from when bands were in different tours or they were going to other countries. So many used Delrin Dunlap, some used Fenders one used quarters hammered and shaped like a rounded end of a pick, Geoge Lynch who's a friend used a small washer at one time lol, he changed. But if your use to a certain thickness try a thinner or heavier pick. It takes sometime to get use to if you make a large jump in thickness. But still give it a try. Thicker picks you get immediate response and can play faster and more accurately dye to the pick rebound. A thinner pick flexes even though you will not notice and just that little flex can make a difference in speed a tone. A thicker pick doesn't have that. I don't have a problem with pick flexing due to me tilting the pick but Derlrin are pretty stable picks. Just go buy various picks, flex them with your fingers, feel the thickness between your fungers. Grip the pick the way you normally do and flick it with your other hand using a finger nail or skin. Listen to what you use and compare just the sound of the pick itself. You'll hear the voice of the pick. If thinner it will have a higher pitched tone than thicker. But this also depends on material it's made of. Just please try it.
I like wegen picks. Les paul and django used buttons, Brian may uses a sixpence piece. Round is best.
I never play with the point, I get more control and feel using it broad.
I bet that sounds awesome
good tip no bull
Thanks man - I really appreciate that.
I've heard Pat Metheney does this.
YES!!!! That is 100 percent correct!!
I agree - the biggest part of learning guitar is actually just figuring things out on your own. If Eddie Van Halen had only watched a bunch of UA-cam instructionals, he might not have developed such a unique style.
Santana does his magic tricks this way...
He has a big triangle pic like a corn chip.
He is a Music Lover,,, you can just tell! Like most of us here,,,, Music, Hmmm
Good guitar playing. Add Joe Walsh to your list.
Really?? Wow - I didn’t know that Joe Walsh did this….. that’s pretty cool.
Been doing this since I started playing 5 years ago. I'm still sh@t.
😂😂😂😂 you’re funny man!! I bet you play pretty good!!😁😁😁
@@joefriedmanguitarnut Honestly I am mediocre at best. I think holding the rounded tip helps me better than the alternative way but its not a game changer.
Jump to 3:00h for the information promised in the title…
😂😂😂 I’m sorry!!! I talk too much……
Playing with the pick that way is just stupid.
As far as I’m concerned, if you use a pick that way you’re just doing it wrong and you’re doing yourself a disservice.
Picks are designed the way they are for a reason.
What you want is thicker and pointier.
My favourites are 1.5mm Dunlop jazz 3’s, the little ones.
But I have been known to go up to the 3mm purple Dunlop stubbies.
For some reason I tend to use a bigger pick for acoustic, so I’ll use a regular size jazz 3.
I appreciate the sentiment…… I used to feel that way too, but I have found recently when I do studio work that I actually bring a bunch of different picks and use all the edges in any way I can when it feels like a solid musical choice……..
just use a thicker pick. 5 mm thick or thicker with a not so sharp point. a more rounded tip, not sharp and flat but rounded. less effort, bigger sound and less snag. Phat Bhoy picks are the better example of what i'm trying to say. thin, sharp picks are unnecessary .
5mm!!! Wow!! That’s a HUGE pick!! I’ll have to try that.
@@joefriedmanguitarnut, it's easier
Jim Dunlop Big Stubby picks are great. Thick, with smooth curves on the tip and sides. If you think thin flexible picks are easier, it’s because you’re digging in too deep. The pick should be dancing lightly on the strings. As the Big Stubby picks age and wear down, the tip becomes even more rounded, which is good. Flat, thin, sharp picks are the worst. They catch on the string, and make scraping noises on the windings.
I was just messing around with a big stubby recently……. Don’t know many guys that play them, but if you say they are great, I will keep trying. I wonder if they work well for gypsy jazz??
@@joefriedmanguitarnut Absolutely they do. Fast rhythmic patterns on lots of strings is easier for me with a Stubby - and I tend to use the heaviest gauge. Learn to almost brush the pick over the strings. Don’t dig in. Angle the pick in relation to the string. Learn to flutter your wrist very finely like a hummingbird. That’s me anyway. And *always* hear the music clearly in your mind as you play. Enjoy
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Great video. Not so much the grammar.
😂😂😂😂😂 thank you……. Working on improving my scripts 😂😂
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A collection of tips, tricks, and secrets of the pros will not make a better guitarist 😢
Are you sure??? Give it a try!! Ya never know…….😁
@@joefriedmanguitarnut I've had some pretty good classes about pick and more especially picking techniques from Joe Diorio. He was a fanatic!
@@ThomasGilmore-fi6gbthat is very cool!! I love Joe Diorio!
Two minutes of nothing. Then finally "so here it is". ... Immediately after that.. "but before I tell you what it is [more yadda-yadda follows]".
I'm out of here, right now.
Sorry you didn’t like it……
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Here’s a little secret tip for you, because you obviously don’t know this; stop poking your left hand thumb over the top of the neck. It greatly reduces the efficiency of either playing single notes or most chords and stop making videos purporting to be able to teach somebody some thing until you can learn how to play the guitar properly yourself.
Sorry buddy that you didn’t like it - I have been a pro guitarist all my life…… touring with bands, making hit records, and working with famous artists for 30 plus years. There are a lot of ways to play the guitar and you are entitled to your style as I am entitled to mine…… thank you for watching.