Snatch Block Tree Felling: Piggyback Mechanical Advantage
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2021
- Snatch Block! This is one way to maximize your pull on a Fiddle Block 5:1, or any means of pulling power, when you only have a single person working the rigging. I would have used the Maasdam winch but it wasn't on the truck that day, so I set it up this way.
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You're a patient guy Patrick. Must be a pleasure to work with/for. All the best mate
Patrick, I’m 56 years old. I’m a current Heavy equipment operator of 30 plus years. It all started with learning all the knots. And then .........started climbing and cutting trees for a hobby this past year. Something I’ve always wanted to do. I’ve learned so much from you Patrick. I Love it ! I’ve been climbing DRT and SRT. And have acquired some really nice Gear. Rope wrench, foot ascender, knee ascender Hitch climber pulley. Spikes, etc etc All the good stuff ! I’m super careful and always double tied off. And have no reason to get in a hurry just doing it as a hobby.
Do you think I’ve lost my mind starting this at 56 ?????? Wish I would have started younger ! Thanks for all you have taught me through you’re Videos and channel !
Me too John! I'm 46. Great fun and money saver after investing in climbing gear. No need to ever rush when you're doing it yourself. Stay safe!
If you're physically capable, know what you're doing and you enjoy what you're doing that's what matters. Lots of money to be made in residential tree care
Ok so this is a little old, but I just found it, sorry I am late to the game. Sir John, you are not alone in this endeavor. Myself being 53 yrs old, been at it for a while as a hobby. My back ground being health care, ranging from EMT to ICU. I have too learned from some of these amazing people. We are only mildly crazy, because we look at trees differently than most people, and God forbid there is a two stroke motor running within ear shot. There is simply nothing better than being over 100 ft up in a tree. We all strive to do well, and be safe, no matter where we are in the progression of skills. Be awesome, always. Wish I could figure how to attach a picture to this. I can get into a tree but damn modern technology. Many blessings.
It`s a calling I think, young or old. I started climbing at 46, I`m 51 now. My back ground was woodland management and conservation so saws and trees were second nature I guess. However, I really, really wanted to get in the canopy. Here in the UK you have to spend a small fortune to get trained and certified from basic chainsaw operation to advanced rigging, but it was worth it. I only climb occasionally, but I made that money back in the first 18 months. Take your time, accept the challenges, it`s fun and often scary but it`s engaging, mind and body. Also, there is no better arb` channel on YT than this one, we`re in good hands friends. Stay safe.
Good job Thanks for sharing 😊🙏♋
wow.... lots to learn here
GREAT VIDEO MAN!! 🌲🌳🌳🌴🌳🌲🌳🌴🪓🪓🪓what i want to know is who the 8 people who disliked this ???? man if they only knew . living in ski resort territory logging is one of the only fun jobs around during summer months. ins incredibly hard dangerous , hell they made a tv show about the most deadly job on earth and this is it. you have to be physically fit mentally awake . regular people don't realize that loggers makes the world turn. literally life as we know it would stop with you guys doing this every day..i just always wondered how climbers can climb so high and carry so much weight up there with such heavy balls ? but no for real i cant believe someone would actually thumbs down this. props man for a great video and for thoughs 8 people look up climbers swing from tree to tree and with a honest opinion and still thumbs down this.
Looks like a good groundsman wanting to learn, asking questions and such. A good groundie is key to safe work
Absolutely love the sound of the wedges setting.
I wish my foreman would explain why he does what he does. I try and ask and he's too focused on getting the work done. I watch videos and stuff but seeing an actual application of techniques like this clicks in my head so much more.
Excellent technique, thanks for sharing. Helluva job! ;)
Thank you for the knowledge! Stay safe!
Well done. Outstanding production!
Thank you! - Patrick
Pulleymania with the last couple of vids ......brilliant Pat 🤙
Good job guys I have used this system before myself
Great job guys
Awesome job Patrick
Thanks Jason.... - Patrick
Nice Work, Great Video!
BEAUTIFUL! Well done
Thanks! - Patrick
I hope the kid in the green hoodie is good.. he was earning a skillset.. life will get at at you...
Masters of your profession
Good job, man!
Nice work Patrick!!
Thank you! - Patrick
I love your videos, and I have always been a keen user of M.A. to get trees to go exactly where they need to go, be more predictable and all in all safer and easier.
But since I bought a 82v Portable Winch, I have not used a single pulley or block apart from a redirect or a progress capture. I can't recommend it enough, it has changed the entire way I do tree care. It makes everything easier. Have you had the chance to try one?
Nice job
This is like watching someone play an instrument.
Hello just subscribed, Experts at work👍🏼🇺🇸
Very interesting.
Lots of teaching moments.
Hi Patrick, nice work you did there. Can you remember the diameter/b.s. of the ropes you used on that job?
I like to put in my sink cut first before heavily pre-tensioning a pull line, depending on the degree of lean of course.
I usually do as well, I should have done that here.... - Patrick
Impressive
Sweet!!!
Nice.
Nice👍
You need a 4lb Buckin special🤙🏻
Whuuuduuup Craig! I almost bought a Buckin special once but thats a bit rich for my blood. $350 for it I'd be scared to take it outside lol. I used to use my 36in Fiskars all the time but the narrow pole tares up the wedges too much. $100 got me a 28in Stihl pro forestry axe with a steel over strike guard. The buckins look bitchin but I'm not man enough for one yet.
I sent Buckin' an axe head months ago and it just sort of disappeared into the vault of axes waiting for handles I think.... - Patrick
Whatttttuppppp Joshman 5000! I respectfully disagree, get the Buckin special and continue the step 4 domination my brother👊🏻
@@timbermen11 I respectfully accept your disagreement and will consider drinking the BS kool-aid one day! I fear I'm not arbified enough (Arbified is my word if you're reading this Patrick, copyrighted, patent pending, 😉) to weild the torch kissed, watka slathered,, wooden shaft of power, but if you say so I will partake on the spending of the green backs and converting them over to maple dollars for a ripped sleeved, pants too short wearing, hairy chested, lumber God of Nanaimo BC. I have twins coming in May though so it may be a while before you seen a buckin special review on my channel lol
Was that easier than climbing it and dropping it in sections?
Question: The second tree you cut had a rope attached to the trunk, then run up to an upper branch then to the floating snatch block tied to the the bowline on bight. What is that method of anchoring the rope to the tree intended for felling? Seems to function just like a tendon in fingers...thank you.
What is the best way to learn this? I have some mid size trees that I need to remove, but I also want to know just for learning's sake. I know one thing - I need to learn knots. But the pulley arrangements you had going there - way over my head. It's rather hit and miss with UA-cam videos, is there a more methodical way to learn this?
I got the Jeff Jepson knots book awhile back and I believe what you are doing is in the book. As I watch more this requires gear where the method in the book requires less gear.
This system has a 10:1 mechanical advantage. He probably mentions building a 2:1, 3:1 and possibly a 5:1 system
Yeh the first was a almost 2 :1, as Patrick said about how open the angle effects it. Then multiply the 5:1 on top =10:1
I loved the prussic and how all the slack was taken up first. 👍
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Surgical is the way to go!
Good stuff! I use a similar setup except I don't have a 5:1 rig. I use a Maasdam rope puller.
Ya your rope puller is so much simpler
I would have used my Maasdam but it wasn't in the truck! - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM isn't that the truth! Had that happen with the big shot last week. Fortunately my wife was able to get it and saved the day 🤘
What pulling force do you think was on the tree with this setup? and what is the possible max you can get out of it this way? cheers Reto
It should have been close to 10:1... - Patrick
Nice work gentlemen! I loved my fiddle blocks, they always served me well! I went for a maasdam and just always seem to go for that now a days. For lighter applications though I can see where the fiddle blocks would actually be faster set up and use. They definitely crank in that 10:1 set up you had there. Which I believe the maasdam is supposed to have 10:1 output. That went pretty damn smooth as silk pulling that biscuit over I must say though! Stay safe guys!
Yeah, I love the Maasdam as well, didn't have it on the truck that day! - Patrick
Can't get them in the UK 😪 I've been searching for a few months after seeing your review . Would be super handy for a lot of my jobs .
Awesome job. The 1 and only critique I can give is,I don't like the hoodie strings hanging . I've been trying to get my guys to tie them. I tie mine loosely with my hood up. Still a functional hoodie,but no danglers.
Do you find the red headed wedges to be more durable than others?
I like them... - Patrick
What 5:1 is that?
Nice vid but why did that fell require a pulley?
Why not use a come along, wire rope/cables and chains?
Them broken tops hangin in there makes it a bit sketchy nice job
Thanks man.. - Patrick
Can a bore cut also be used in that scenario?
I am a relatively new arborist myself and am of course still learning skills needed, but I don't see the necessity or advantage of a bore cut. What advantage could it provide?
What is the music used at the end of this video?
Is the mechanical advantage just to reduce risk of falling in different direction? Might seem obvious to you but I am wondering if it was needed...I stay in South Africa and safety is often not backed up like this, just wondering if I am missing something?
This was a heavy leaner and leaned away from the intended lay. Some kind of M:A setup is always advantageous is this kind of scenario.
Yes, the MA allows us to pull trees against the lean. Greetings from Canada! - Patrick
Thanks for the reply. Crazy use of MA. I’ve only seen it used with a ascending device and simple truck hitch to tend the slack.
Hey, awesome work and I'm a big fan! Just a question, why the bowline on a bight for the block? Is that the knot (mid-line) that weakens the rope the least? Greetings from Sweden =)
Not sure about the strength loss, but I like how it unties even after a very heavy load... cheers from Canada! - Patrick
Tiiimbeeerr!!!
Quick question. Which is safer, DdRT or SRT? A fellow climber said that if I climb for him in the future he only wants me climbing DdRT. I can do both. The only way SRT could be less safe would be with a basal anchor instead of a canopy anchor and someone on the ground cuts your rope.Otherwise if you cut your rope on either system your going down. What are your thoughts?
Hmm The SRT has double the tension... which obviously shouldn't be a problem but it might look less safe? In a way a DdRT gives you twice the opportunity to cut a rope :D
I get that it maybe takes more specialized equipment to do SRT properly but from a safety standpoint I don't see it either.
Probably just to keep equipment and training the same.
@@Biped drt doesn't give you twice to cut your rope. Whether you're climbing srt or drt you cut your rope youre falling
@@micdiva yeah. I meant in drt it is more likely to cut a rope since you have two. Either one will make you fall
@@Biped oh ok. I must have read that wrong. Yeah i was honestly just commenting to make sure you were not under that impression. Kinda crazy but this year ive been running two flip lines, a zillion and a steel cable. I thought it was going to be such a pain but its really not that bad i dont think.
I'm curious about your block setup. Who makes it? I could barley make out the name in the video. Is it Schaefer? Thanks 😊
It's a CMI block
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM You rock! Thanks man.
Doesn’t using a 5 to 1 on a 2 to 1 turn it into a 10 to1?
It should be close to that, yes... - Patrick
I just get my pull line in, attach a 1 ton chain block with a 6 metre pull and can pull anything over. Takes no time with minimal equipment and you only have one knot.
Husqvarna or stihl?
Nice!
Just some math: 10:1 compound system but less due to angles mentioned. In fact, with that base tie and you're pulling over a branch in theory that's even more mechanical advantage (as that's another 2:1). But with friction and angles probably close to just 10.
Two men pulling is probably...450 pounds at max.
So in theory up to 4500 pounds of pull.
At that point you need to start worrying about the strength of connectors, rope, knots that weaken your line, etc.
I would guess closer to 300 lb of pull for myself and Tom... I wish I had a meter to measure the pull in those situations... - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM yeah it's hard to say, I've seen numbers all over the place. I bet 450 is like, ideal tug of war style pull on flat ground for two strong people.
Love the channel!
Good way to rip the tree out by its roots ive done this with cable
come along on huge trees just me and one other guy
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I click on every video with the word "snatch" in the title.
So far, no luck.
(Borat voice) "You will never get this, you will never get this.... And then one day, he get this. High five!!"
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM lol
All the way through the proces I was admiring the system, but also thinking it would be WAY easier to use what ever kind of winch. An then I read the discription of the video... 🤣
I like the block you used. It seems relatively small and light, but worked like a charm. Great setup!
Thanks Gerrit! - Patrick
Get u a 9000 winch,single line it all with remote control.faster,safer,cheeper.
Holy CATS! When do you start worrying about a barberchair??
That pre-loading wasn't nearly enough to be worried about a barberchair, that was just the minimum tension to know that it wouldn't go backwards! They maxed out the 5:1 again after it was cut up to bring it over... - Patrick
When it comes to insider terms may I suggest you speak at the assumed technical level of the intended audience and not to yourself.
SOME of us know what you are explaining --- but not all do.
I'm missing the whole point. Why use pulleys at all? Was the tree leaning the other way? Buckin Billy Rae would have felled that sucker in 5 min on a dime, no pulleys needed.
I wanted to watch this video but the camera work was so uneven and jarring (made me kinda nauseous!) that I stopped. I'll see if another one of your videos is better as I like the topic
Did you really expect a cinematic view from a helmet mounted camera?
What 5:1 is that?
It's a standard marine type unit... - Patrick
Where can I get one.? So I know what I’m looking for. I questioned in my head the need for the pulley on the prossik but when I saw you pull to tighten the orange rope like that it made sense.