Japanese Line of Succession 2019
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Hi matt what if emperor naruhito were to have a son?
hisahito at 13: has to think about having sons and how to be an emperor
me at 13: closing the fridge door slowly to see if the light stays on
hisahito: *must learn how to die with honor in battle for his kingdom*
me at his age: *can't touch a frog, because im afraid*
@@nurval1093 Boii, if Hasahito discovers tiktok, we pray for the best and expect for the worst.
@@normalbird1139
Tiktok is a Chinese company known for security issues, pretty sure the government won't allow him to use it(hopefully...)
You forgot to add *watching anime secretly and become an otaku*
well... I'm the last of my branch, the first-born of a line of first-born Japanese males, and although I'm a commoner in Brazil - pretty close to an "average Joe" LoL, I heard from my mother since I was four years old that my unique obligation is to have a male child.
I suppose the pressure over the little prince is quite hard...
I'm Japanese, and I want to add some information.
After WWⅡ end, according to GHQ's instruction, 51 royal member were renounced their imperial status in 1947 and their blood line are still exist today.
One of the solutions suggested was to establish a new Imperial Family from a former imperial family and appoint a successor to the throne, however it has not been greatly supported by public opinion.(sorry for my bad English)
@Ben McKean Too bad yours isn't.
@@croco3671 If that was the case, Hirohito wouldn't have been Emperor into the 80s. It was done for more constitutional and financial reasons (don't want to support too many expensive royals).
Princess Toshi じゃなくて愛子様ですよね?長くイギリスに住んでいるので忘れたかもしれませんが、確か愛子さまであったはず
@@Harmony-wj8ji personal nameは「愛子」内親王ですが、皇族の幼少期の呼び名である御称号は「敬宮（としのみや）」です。因みに今上陛下は継宮、現皇太子殿下は浩宮、秋篠宮殿下は礼宮です。
@Ben McKean >(edited)
Hisahito will probably have a lesser wait to take the throne of Japan than Prince William does with the UK.
DANGMQ It’s Charles who has had the longest wait. He is now about 70 and has been heir since he was 3.
Then again, taking over as monarch in middle age or old age isn’t so bad because by then the person’s children are grown. Elizabeth became queen when she had 2 toddlers.
nrkgalt we all know that queen Elizabeth is going to try to postpone her death for as long as humanly possible, to keep William from becoming king.
jannes tiemes Or so that she can break Louis XIV of France’s record of 72 years as monarch.
@@jannestiemes4328 I thought the joke was it is because she doesn't like her son Charles' second wife, Camilla
@@jannestiemes4328 Why would she do that?
One cannot compare the Japanese monarchy to (secularised) european monarchies so easily, because there is the additional religious/mythological element to consider: The Tenno is also the head priest of Shinto, due to his assumed unbroken male-line descent from the Sun-Kami Amaterasu. That makes breaking with the principle of male-line sucession so difficult, from a religious/traditionalist point of view. Imagine the fierce theological conflicts if the Catholic Church would consider to open up the office of the Pope for women - that's a better comparison for the situation we are talking about in Japan.
@David Renton No, I can't - one cannot argue against mythology on the base of logic alone. I suppose within the Shinto system, the gender of Gods is somehow less important than that of humans, and female Kami are placed in a completely different category than mere mortal women.
@David Renton look up the mythology. The sun goddess Amaterasu claims 4 male gods "birthed" by Susano The god of storm as hers because they're from her jewels. The emperor lineage came from her great grandson.
2 important points :
1. Amaterasu didn't claim the young goddesses as hers.
2. Amaterasu and Susano are sister and brother.
They did a Godly Incestuous 'Sex'. There's even a miraculous 'male pregnancy' (japanese mythology did it first before the Sims lol). The great ancient divorce and child custody where Amaterasu won the rights of custody of her 'sons'.
Why did this godly 'divorce' happened? Because Daddy Susano banished from heaven for his crimes.
@David Renton that explains your questions. Amaterasu gender doesn't matter.
I don't see why the pope shouldn't be a woman.
@@alinac5512 tradition, mainly, and the supposed role as heir of Peter, and as such continuation of the 12 Apostles, that were all male
There’s a point of misunderstanding that the West commonly has with the Japanese monarchy. The Emperor is more akin to a Pope or Caliph than a King; traditionally, the Emperor is the head priest of the Shinto religion and for centuries had someone else run the country for them (Shogun, Prime Minister, etc). Under the Meiji Restoration, the Emperor became a more King-like figure (as Japan modeled their Meiji-era government after Prussia), but after World War 2, the Prussian-style role of the Emperor was stripped and he went back to being the Shinto head priest, and is constitutionally enshrined as a ceremonial figurehead and “a symbol of unity for the Japanese people.”
Except that it's 100% not at all similar to the Papacy and 100% more like a King. The Pope is a figure chosen by a group of old white guys. A King (or the Japanese Emperor) is divine right. That Emperor Showa was forced at gunpoint to say that he isn't a God doesn't really mean anything, nor does it affect this matter at all. This is an Imperial line, not a job title.
@@ScooterinAB Well, even the Pope should theoretically be elected by divine right. With the difference that the Papacy is elective, in fact, while Japan has practically always been a hereditary monarchy. Which does not mean that both are derived from God only in theory, since there is no god in my personal opinion. Everything is the work of men, whether in an elective theocratic monarchy or in a hereditary theocratic monarchy.
@@henricoz_9745 The Japanese Emperor isn't a god though. He's a kami. :P
Queen Elizabeth 2 is the head of church of England , the Protestant faction. Pope is the head of Catholic faction.Queen is not Catholic.
Given that Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria, and Queen Elizabeth II (until 1992) were head of the Church of England when women couldn't be in clergy at the time, I can say the Shinto religion would be just as fine allowing women to the throne and ordaining women all together. I am a staunch traditionalist Catholic BTW.
Emperor has such a powerful ring to it.
King just sounds kinda...meh
Kaiser has a much better feeling to it
*"Die Wacht am Rhein" starts to play*
@Sander Skovly FÜHL IN DES THRONES GLANZ, DIE HOHE WONNE GANZ, LIEBLING DES VOLKS ZU SEIN, HEIL KAISER DIR!
That is because a emperor reings over kingdons
Nah sultan sound better
@@wanmohdnazimwanmuhamadsaid8716 I think emperor is better
Japan has so few children being born even the imperial family isnt spared lol
*They have more members* if you're willing to *include extended and co-lateral relatives:*
but in total, it's still no more than 50-60 persons in question.
Lmzo
Lmao
@@HarvardRadRes nah, let see if you dare to do that if you're president of your own country
Uhh.. Actually Japanese royal family tree is normal. They have like 2-3 children.
It's the west royal family that weird. Full of lust. They have children like.. at least 3 children.
there are two options to retain the Yamatos' continuous rule:
1) return the cadet branches to the line of succession
2) there were empress regnants before but they married males from the other agnatic branches of the Yamato dynasty which makes their children a member of the Yamatos as well (but that can be quite an issue now)
For clarification all of the female Emperors who were married were previously married to other members of the Imperial family but widowed. No female Emperor was married while she ruled, several were never married at all.
@@just_radical But of those married, their sons by their husbands inherited (continuing the agnatic succession, there was even a case of half-siblings), and those unmarried held the throne while their nephews were young
@@giuseppemassari9970 Yeah. I just wanted to clarify that there was never a case where an Emperor had a daughter and she succeeded the throne and then married someone to produce an heir (as would be the case should the current Emperor's daughter one day be on the throne).
I think on some other thread I post the various reasons each woman who became Emperor in the 7th and 8th centuries did so, and to be sure towards the end of that period things were trending in such a direction that female Emperors seemed to be preferable to males, but that isn't relevant to this particular post.
@@just_radical Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere where when there's a war for succession, they put female emperors until an heir was decided.
@@Yami278 The only case where it directly happened because of a war was for Suiko-tenno.
In general the principle is correct that female rulers were a placeholder or compromise choice until a mutually agreed upon male heir was of age, however over the course of Nara period female rulers became increasingly preferred up to the point that Shomu-tenno directly abdicated in favor of his daughter. She became embroiled in a succession controversy where an unrelated Buddhist monk who had influence with her attempted to usurp the throne and the branch of the family that took over following her death didn't nominate another female ruler for a millenia. I hesitate to even call that a prohibition however because the power system that developed quickly under their rule was the selection of a child emperor born of a Fujiwara mother and controlled by his maternal grandfather or uncle.
Kind of the exact problem that interim female rulers was meant to avoid.
Worst part of having an only male heir succession is if the birthrate in the family is 90% female hahaha
It's complete BS: How can Japan claim to as socially advanced as Europe when they force their female royals to become commoners when they marry literally anyone who they aren't related to, and when they refuse to consider cognatic succession at all, when most European countries have had no issues with cognatic succession for hundreds of years?
@@Wasserkaktus when did japan claim to be socially advance as europe though?
@@userrend They made that claim when they took up the mantle of being a World Power over a century ago.
George I’m female and don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. It’s tradition. However I am Muslim we are conservative so you may think I’m crazy I still have an opinion though
@@HotSauce-fo6sf muslims have a lot of childs, so they don't have this problem.
Personally, I think Japan should push for the reestablishment of the Shinnōke and Ōke cadet branches of the monarchy. After World War 2, the US forcefully made Japan remove those branches from the line of succession in 1947. This cut the number of possible heirs down drastically and left us in the situation we're in today. Maybe a future video could be about if the remaining cadet branches were to be restored 😉.
I mean given current birth rates, doesn't that just kick the can down the road for a few more generations?
@UsefulCharts this is a good idea
@@Imperator60 Ain't that the truth. *sea levels rise ominously*
for me, japanese monarchy needs to be abolished. this is the very best they can do to pay their ww2 atrocities. that is much better than living as US's dogs. really, japanese have no shame and dignity
They were war criminals. They were no different than Nazis.
So basically the Japanese Imperial Family has preserved a single Y chromosome since it was founded millennia ago
Phil Clemson yes. that is why there's no women emperor
no, there were actual 8 female emperor before@@koi_A4
Thats impressive, one reason why i think the tradition should continue.
Supposedly. It's complicated and messy. Japan's first verifiable Emperor was Emperor Kinmei (509 - 571 AD), while most historians believe that the first one that might have existed was Emperor Sujin (97 BC - 30 BC traditionally, though most believe these dates are inaccurate.) The Japanese royal family might have had ties with the Ancient "Korean" royal familes as well, but this is for a another time.
@@Liam-sl3ic no, princess Aiko is the true owner of the throne
"a lot of pressure on this poor guy..."
Well done, 🤣
Isn’t it very arrogant for us non Japanese to jump in and say “ohhhh they should change the law, why not!” ? That is what western countries did back in history.
Ouch burn
Habsburg family
Quick Fruits Japan is conservative and such a change would be pushed into the futures until a crisis resulted.
Quick Fruits Hohenzollern family are the true rulers of Germany
Yes it is. But making a recommendation like "allowing Princess Toshi to become empress and then pass the baton to Hisahito", would be something more welcome than trying for something that would come across as outright interference.
To be very technical, Prince Hisahito would be the heir presumptive (not apparent) should his father die before his uncle.
Excellent point. Naruhito could still have a son.
I wouldn't be so sure. Naruhito is almost 60, and his wife is 55.
@@UsefulCharts but The Emperor Naruhito to have a son...or...he can make IVF operation with his wife and only choose the good sperm...or sperm with a gen Y...so...the combination is XY or a male...but a little bit risky due to "golden age" to pregnant had been surpassed...
@@trcline100 idk if it's in the rules, but he can have IVF with a donor with a surrogate womb. It is not obligatory that the child be born from his wife's womb, isn't it?
Continuous Self-Improvement rest assured royalties are very conservative. Especially so for the Japanese royalty
Love these! (The European dynasty chart now hangs in my living room, such a cool design)
Can you cover the Bulgarian monarchy ?
@Laquelectro how has the only reply have only 1 reply
@@TerrierMartello haha Correction. Two replys haha What a shame.
ZnakaProds : It a shame that the Bulgarian monarchy was ended by communists in 1947. Very sad.
My brain any time I hear anything about Bulgaria
: SHUMI MARITSA !
Sorry i read it as "Burglar" ian monarchy and immediately thought about British monarchy 🤣🤣🤣
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So true
You know who I feel more sorry for? Hisahito's future wife. Ouch.
It is the male's sperm which could give either the X or Y chromosome, determining the gender. So the pressure would still be on Hisahito.
Sidd Cucumber biologically maybe, but still socially it would be back to the days where a queens only purpose is to give birth to a son
But the wife still gotta go through the pregnancy.
I'm sure gender selection IVF is possible if they're REALLY desperate.
@@siddcucumber4814 The pressure would be on the woman to birth the child, so RIP to Hisahito's future wife's ovaries.
Prince Mikasa died at 100 in 2016 when after his three sons all died.
That's extremely depressing :(
@@lightyagami3492 actually that's good. It's good to see the fate of all your children.
But yeah kinda sad becaude that means your bloodline is ended.
That right there is the reason they are in trouble, three male heirs for the Japanese imperial throne all dead not one of them could have a son. Just imagine if they all had just one son how stable the monarchy would be now.
@@DBT1007 no parent wants to outlive their children
@@Stettafire The qoute from interstellar puts this better
“No parent should their own child die...”
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Lol Only 13 and already has pressure to pump out them male heirs!
300-400 years ago, he would already be married and at least one kid or his wife would be pregnant.
Welcome to monarchy.
Though the pressure on him will be immense even by royal standards.
@@GeoffreyWilliams742 lol
It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
2926: Hisahito has a son everyone is shaking their nuts and are excited that the male-only line is still going
There was a discussion to have princess mako marry an agantic descendant to give more host to the dynasty. But these plans were largely put aside when prince hisahito was born.
Akihito actually hasn’t officially abdicated yet. At the making of this comment, he still has 4 days until abdication, at April 30, 2019.
(Laughs in 1st May 2019)
Well, it's June 1st now, so I wonder did he do it!
Cami BluTube yes, it has been a month already
yep Heisei ended and now's the start of Reiwa. you can spot old mangas that only mentioned Heisei now and ones made post 30 adding in Reiwa.
It's his imperial majesty emperor akihito would you call king Charles just Charles or Prince William as just William. An emperor out ranks a king and an imperial prince outranks a royal prince. Typical western with their disrespect for non-European monarchies.
There's also a fourth option, to reinstate the Shinnoke, the branch families who were made legally non-royals in 1947, as royals again. Of course, this option is not mutually exclusive with other reforms.
I’ve been searching the family tree of the shinnoke and oke branches but found none and I wanted to know which emperor they descended from
That seems like a lot of work and a bit middle finger to Post-War resolution just to keep girls out of your clubhouse.
@@ScooterinAB "just to keep girls out of your clubhouse". Or the succession law could be reformed such that the women of the Shinnoke families could also be in the line of succession.
@@danieluyanguren The Fushimi-no-Miya was founded by Prince Yoshihito (1351-1409), son of Northern Court Emperor Sukō (1334-1398).
Fushimi-no-Miya Sadafusa shinnō was the father of Emperor Go-Hanazono.
Fushimi-no-Miya Sadamochi shinnō is the son of Emperor Momozono.
Katsura-no-Miya was founded by Prince Toshihito (1579-1629), one of the grandsons of Emperor Ōgimachi, but this house was reestablished a few times.
Arusigawa-no-Miya was founded by Prince Yoshihito (1603-1625), seventh son of Emperor Go-Yōzei (1571-1617). This house has also become extinct and been revived, but is currently extinct.
Kan'in-no-Miya was founded by Prince Naohito (1704-1753), son of Emperor Higashiyama (1675-1710). This house was also reestablished in the past, but is currently extinct.
The Imperial House of Japan is actually a very large family with numerous cadet branches if includes the distant relatives just like the Chinese imperial dynasties and the House of Yi of the Joseon Dynasty. However, only the Shinnōke and Ōke have the rights to inherit the throne if the main line died out as they received permission to create a new branch in succession while the descendants of the other branches (usually from the younger non-heir sons) like the Minamoto and Taira clans were demoted into the ranks of nobility and excluded from the line of succession.
The current head of the Shinnōke is Fushimi Hiroaki who would be currently the 4th-in-line to the throne and only has three daughters. However, he adopts one of his grandnephews to be his successor. I think the Japanese government also need to revise the constitution to make it more resemble the Meiji Constitution and revoke the 1947 constitution as one step to solve this succession crisis by retaining the married princesses and restore the former cadet branches as well the aristocratic families from the clans under the system of peerage nobility. The other changes under the new constitution will also include reform the upper house into similar system with the House of Lords in the UK, reinstall the Privy Council of Japan, and reform in the military from Japan Self-defense Forces into the Japanese Armed Forces where the Japanese Imperial Guards will become the part of the military instead of the national police and the members of the imperial family, including the emperor will be permitted to have a career in the military if they choose to while the position of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces will still be held by the prime minister. I also propose if Prince Hisahito has more than one son and/or grandson, then one of his younger son(s) and/or grandson(s) will be appointed as the successor to the cadet branches which had previously died out.
I don’t think Japan should change its inheritance laws, it’s held this dynasty for two thousand years and there’s no reason to end the tradition now
There were a lot of female empresses in the nara-period
But they were all male line descendants of previous emperors and so where their male heirs. Even if the daughter of the new emperor was allowed to succeed her father she would be very limited in her choice of husband having to marry a male line descendant of previous emperors to give any of her children the right of succession.
There is also the fact that the Emperor of Japan has a specific role in religious Shinto ceremonies that cannot be performed by a woman. Wanting to alter that would equate to stating that the next pope should be female and i very much doubt that will happen any time soon.
But a woman could in modern day japan never be empress. So the rules changed. Also in "ancient" Japan the emperor could chose wich person succeeded him. There wasn't really any strict succession laws. + the emperor could abdicate.
Maurizio long They could only choose who could succeed them so long as whoever succeeded them was also a male line descendant of the imperial family.
Also the imperial family(male) is a central part of the Japanese religion of Shintoism and the creation of the Japanese state, this is why the monarchy will never be abolished
I'm not a traditionalist, but changing it after more than 2600 years would be a bit sad because of all the history that's resting on it.
You could say 2600 years of Japanese history rest on the shoulders of a 13 year old prince.
I mean, Akihito broke a 2600 year long tradition too, he's the only emperor to marry a commoner. Not to mention how long its been since an Emperor retired. I would say either open it to females, or at least reinstate Shinnōke and Ōke branches.
@@THEREALVITO It'd be against neither, history evolves after all, and that's beautiful too. But that doesn't make it not sad. You could compare it to the burning of a very old building (making the analogy of recent events).
I do not think that by opening it to females the rules are being changed.If so the rule should have been changed centuries ago when Empress Genmei abdicated the throne in favour of her daughter Empress Gensho.So much for the male only lineage.
@@varsha.v.tharakan9238 There have been empresses, but it's still one straight male bloodline. After an empress it's never her child that rules, always goes back to a brother or cousin, or the son of one. It's still an unbroken male line, by far the oldest in the world. Changing that is what would be huge, it was only proposed because the only living child in the imperial family was princess Toshi, but now there's a male heir again to continue the bloodline. That doesn't mean princess Toshi will never become empress, just that her children won't inherit the bloodline.
If we judged everything off what we did in the past we would never have evolved as a species just saying
I remember that one of those distant princes once suggested that Emperor (then Prince) Naruhito effectively take a concubine and produce a male heir that way.
But the concubinage in Japan was abolished in 1924 while Meiji is the last Emperor of Japan who had concubines.
"Prince Hitachi of Japan" finally, a challenger who has almost as good a name as me.
"I love Hitachi" Jackie Chan said..............
Do you have any plan on making family tree chart for more southeast asian monarch?
like Malacca, Brunei, Majapahit, Srivijaya, Aceh, Ayutthaya, etc
no.
good idea. but dont get surprise with so many people actually wanting to claim malacca/perak/johore/kedah and selangor throne. the number of claimers are thousands !
@Hoàng Nguyên what is nguyen mean? I always wondering, why almost every people in vietnam has that name?
@@dakochan9706 it means Nguyen
That will be a great challenge for the creator.
Our boy Hisahito will handle that, he’ll be 50 at earliest anyways to get the throne
Just yesterday, someone trespassed into prince Hisahito’s school and placed a knife on his desk. Quite horrifying
With Naruhito, Fumihito, and Hisahitos ages i dont think the line risks being broken. The two brother are both in their 50s, and could easily run it for the next 30-35 years. That puts Husahito into his 40s when he takes the Crown where he will probably have the next heir in line. He could rule for another 30-40. Making 60-70 years for them to figure out the line of succession.
Considering we're talking about the Japanese, add another decade or two to those estimates.
Assuming nothing happens to Hisahito, imagine if he's sterile or suffers from health problems and dies. Then there will be a problem. But of course, these are imaginative scenarios, in theory, male succession is assured for decades to come.
It's his imperial majesty emperor naruhito and his imperial highness crown prince fumahito and his imperial highness prince Hisahito would you call prince William just William? Show respect to the Japanese monarch they have been around before the European monarchy and an emperor out ranks a king, and an imperial prince outranks a royal prince.
@@andrereis_12It's his imperial majesty emperor naruhito and his imperial highness crown prince fumahito and his imperial highness prince Hisahito would you call prince William just William? Show respect to the Japanese monarch they have been around before the European monarchy and an emperor out ranks a king, and an imperial prince outranks a royal prince.
@@iakadayrneh ill pass on all of that idgaf about William or the English royalty.
For anyone wondering, the "hito" or 仁 portion of the names in the imperial family going back to Meiji is a character that generally refers to virtue or benevolence, hence its inclusion in so many personal names. Everyone wants their monarch to be virtuous.
I hope Prince Hisahito when he grow up, will fall in love and marry and have atleast three sons instead of daughters.
isso nao passa me machismo idiota estamos no século xxi nao na idade média
He will need more than 3 sons apparently to ensure the monarchy continues seeing as what happened to Prince Mikasa.
@igor lopes n é pela tradiçao é uma regra imposta no século xx
@igor lopes é uma tradiçao que só aconteceu porque nenhuma imperatriz teve filhos nao é a mesma coisa de ter sido imposta pela constituição criada pela américa tanto é que o governo esta a estudar maneira mudar isso , se todas as tradições ainda existissem estávamos ainda a partir pedra em africa , também a mutilação genital é tradiçao .
This is an observable and consistent thousand of years paternal lineage.
They have their own religion (technically still under shinto but the religious rituals are uniquely only for the family) with the god-ancestor pantheon (amaterasu).
They also have unique features uncommon to other paternal lineage which is A Nameless house/clan.
This imperial clan also gave birth to many famous samurai clans via the lineage of minamoto and heike. The shoguns also should have imperial blood, the main reason why hideyoshi's ambition can't go far (hideyoshi can't trace his lineage to either minamoto or heike).
Female tenno existed many years ago. However that was the results of family democracy and will always go back to the same paternal cousins. In the modern age the inheritance is controlled by laws which is controlled by the people and the diet. Once they allow female tenno, there's no guarantee the throne will go back to the paternal cousins. Those in meiji era understood this, and make the succession following prussia's salic law.
The succession of the monarchy and the throne normally separated with House/Surname succession in Europe. But Japan never experienced dynastic change.
How do they crowned a heir who came from different dynasty/family?
Are they going to call the pope for the crowning ceremony?
The priest from church of england?
Ancestor worship is a family exclusive religion. It's not a public religion like Christianity.
It is possible that the rituals, the shrine, and the family tradition will move to another hand, to another family that has nothing to do with it or having no respect for it.
The weight and prestige of this imperial family along with their religious role, and their famous samurai descendants (who also ruled japan for hundreds of years) far exceeds the japanese Monarchy as an institution.
If you wanted to find the next closest male through blood line you’d have to go all the way back to Emperor Kōkaku who was born in 1771 & he had a brother who had a son Tatsuhito Kaninnomiya lived from 1792-1824 then his son Naruhito 1818-1842 but he didn’t have any sons!!! So the closest emperor to have another son was Emperor Reigen who lived from 1654-1732 had two sons eldest was emperor Higashiyama & the second was Prince Yorihito in 1713, he had a son born in 1754 named Orihito, he had two sons the eldest of which was Tsunohito born in 1785; he had a son named Takahito born 1812; his son was Taruhito 1835 however he died without kids so the other son born in 1862 was then the heir, he died in 1913 & had one son in 1887 who died without children🫠. Orihito’s younger brother also died in 1852 without children so Yorihito’s line is dead. The next closest emperor to have another son was Emperor Gosai lived 1638-1685 had a son Yukihito in 1656, he had a son Tadahito in 1694 but his line eventually died out in 1716… the next closest is Emperor Ogimachi born in 1517 had a son in 1552 who had two sons in 1571 & 1579 the first of which actually became Emperor Goyozei & the second was Toshihito Hachijonomiya who had one son in 1619 who died without children as well. So this is rediculous the next closest is Emperor Go-Kashiwabara born in 1464 had a fifth son (1504-1550) who could unlikely but could possibly have a living male descendant but his line is so distant I can’t trace it to the modern day. So the next closest emperor who had another son would’ve been the son of Emperod Suko born in 1351 & he had a son named Haruhito born in 1370 but he died in 1417 without kids of course. Basically I found another potential line born in 1288 but I highly doubt we’d be able to trace it to the present so if Hirohito’s male line dies out Japan’s monarchy is screwed
That was awesome to read. Thanks 🙏🙌🏻👏
Kokaku had an adopted son(whose also a male distant grandnephew with common ancestor from 1300s), it's Fushimi Kuniee. His line had many sons. Among which is Fujimaro Tsukuba who had a son Tsuneharu Tsukuba who also had a son working as a Professor at Waseda University while the other son Tsunehide Tsukuba became a Buddhist priest. In one of the bio of the Fushimi member: Nashimoto Moriosa, it stated that the Fushimi-no-miya is a backup clan if ever the current Chrysanthemum line heirs becomes extinct, the succession will be transferred to their clan.
The closest cadet branches are descendants of Emperor Higashiyama(1675-1710). Higashiyama’s son prince Naohito created hereditary royal branch of Kan’inno-miya 閑院宮family.
One of Naohito’s sons known as Takatsukasa Sukehira 鷹司輔平 was adopted to the one of 5 highest ranked court noble families of Fujiwara clan. Sukehira’s line has not yet died out. There are significant number of his descendants.
There are few informations about those cadet branches. I heard there are some boys around hisahito's age (4 boys?). Do you know the names of those boys?
日野東資倶
I have been told that my family is one of the 藤原 though last name has changed to 藤村 due to the disguise was needed ( reasons unknown) according to my family....
I believe that none of them are royalty anymore. It also seems like a lot of work to reinstate that branch just to keep girls out.
@@ScooterinAB Women can't rule, so why let them.
The whole question is none of anyone's business. It is entirely up to the Japanese people. Let them sort it out.
Constitutional monarchy is perhaps the best form of monarchy for a nation. The royal family keeps their special privileges and child monarchs won't be a problem.
Imagine the shock if Hasahito turned out to be gay.
Lmao even if he was like he would even allowed to be
he would still marry a woman and have children
Homosexuals can produce children as well.
Yeah, he'd be force to marry and have kids, no doubt about it. I dont wish that for him, thats awful, for both him and his wife
@@rick149ou Hello my friend. You and I had a good debate about a month ago on Hisahito and the future of the Japanese imperial family. Even if he were to come out as gay I still don't understand why he should be forced to have children if he didn't want to. It would make for an unhappy life for him and any future wife he would be forced to marry.
Very informative! Great job. That little boy has a lot on his shoulders already.
Just imagine if the kid turns out to be gay and doesn't want to marry a woman...
@@theoetscientia6681 There are in vitro and surrogate mother...
Not just a legal issue. Because of the Emperor's place in Shinto, it's a religious issue
I personally want to keep this kind of succession, male primogeniture
Coz its the only system that still exist for thousand years
It'll be a waste to change it (unless its inevitable)
As long as SJWs not taking over in Japan.
And this type of situations happens with Male only succession. Lots of daughters and very few sons.
It wont change, unless SJW start take over Japan...
Why would it be a waste lmao
Crazy Cat Lady of CA it’s God’s way of trolling Kings
Best of luck to Prince Hisahito. You are the future, you are the man. ❣️
It's scary that if hisahito dies young, so does more than 1400 years of male only imperial line
Weren't the branches of the family who weren't descendants of emperor meiji forced to give up their imperial titles and succession rights after WWII or something like that ?
In 1947 the Household Law limited succession to those descended from Hirohito's father, causing the more distant relatives to renounce their titles. It also kept the Prussian-inspired rules of succession which had been adopted after the Meiji restoration. The goal was to bring it in line with the new Constitution and limit the financial burden of a royal family. Not great for the royal family at the time but they got of pretty lightly given that Hirohito was a war criminal.
If such were the case, can the law be reversed by the Diet?
@@gidzmobug2323 if this branch of the family dies out they could revive one of the distant male only lines sure.
This Japanese monarchy is at a very critical point. If the little 🤴 died, that's the end of the 2000 years continuity of Japanese monarchy.
that's why monarchs are guarded
Fushimi-no-miya clan is the back-up heir if the Chrysanthemum line goes extinct. During Showa's time, he arranged married the Crown Prince of Korea to his adopted granduncle's granddaughter Yi Bangja (Fushmi clan) and they were given a title. The adopted granduncle Fushimi Kuniee had many sons who also produced sons and grandsons. He shares same Y chromosome with the current males of the Chrysanthemum line but their biological common ancestor is from 1300s.
You have a small error: the third son of Emperor Taisho was named Nobuhito, not Nabuhito.
Hi Mr. Baker, your presentation is awesome. It makes a lot of sense and easy to understand. I did not know the line of succession is that complicated. Your calm and cool voice makes it so pleasant to listen. The moving black arrow made it so easy to follow the chart. Thank you for wonderful knowledge & information.
That kid better get married young and have lots of children. If say no less than five sons to be safe
If I was that kid, I'd be like fuck it, let's just have no kids and see what happens.
@@Deathmastertx Good point. He holds the future of the monarchy in his hands so he can force change by abstaining.
Imagine if he comes out as gay
Technically Emperor Meiji had 5 sons - but one was stillborn and three didn't surive past infancy, so there are no other heirs nonetheless.
Just for fun, I did a "quick" stroll through time to find #4 of the succession:
- Meiji's father(Emperor Komei, personal name Osahito) had one other son, who also died in infancy - _no heirs here_
- Komei's father (Emperor Ninko, personal name Ayahito) had six other sons, all of whom died in infancy or childhood - _no heirs here_
- Ninko's father (Emperor Kokaku, personal name Morohito) had seven other sons, all of whom died in infancy or childhood - _no heirs here_
- Kokaku's father was *not* emperor himself. He was Prince Sukehito and had no other surviving sons.
(Kokaku was the closest male heir after Emperor Go-Momozonos death, to legitimze his claim he was adopted shortly before death of the old emperor and later married his stepsister.)
- Prince Sukehito's father also wasn't emperor. His name was Prince Naohito and he had no other surviving sons.
- Prince Haohito's father finally was Emperor Higashiyama, who had one other surviving son: Emperor Nakamikado (this line died out with Go-Momozono, see above)
- Higashiyama's father (Emperor Reigen, or Satohito) had _at least_ 12 other sons from at least 11 different mothers.
At this point I gave up, because the information on all these 12 sons in the late 1600's is severely limited and it is impossible for me to tell if any of them theoretically have a direct male-line decendent that is still living. If they have, they are about as closely related to the current emperor as Sophie, Hereditary Princess of Liechtenstein [aka Duchess Sophie in Bavaria] to Queen Elisabeth II (as they are both direct decendants of Mary, Queen of Scots).
There was a cadet branch “shinnoke and oke” but I couldn’t find a family tree that shows them. I’ve been searching the family tree of the shinnoke and oke branches but found none and I wanted to know which emperor they descended from
It's because the infant and child mortality rate was very high in the past so it wouldn't guarantee that all of their children would live into adulthood. Also the line of the younger non-heir sons usually excluded from the line of succession so it will be very hard to track down their direct male-line descendants today.
this is an old video, but one option given is to bring back the previous royal family branches that were stripped of their royal status by the americans. if this did not happen the succession line would still continue although they will have to go back up a few generations. not sure if japan even keep track of those formal royal families, but it would be interesting if you do a video on that.
I don't think Japan should change It's tradition in order for Toshi to rule, as long as there are male heirs, it shouldnt be changed...
I am open for debate with anybody who doesnt agree
@@vanessaamesty6739 if you think so
I mean they've had reigning Empresses before so like it wouldn't be anything super new. Empress Kōgyoku even ruled twice.
@@Tim70theYawner true, female rule was prohibited in the Meiji restoration, perhaps a referendum (public vote) should be held, but irs hard to estiimate its outcome since many japanese men believe that men should provide for the family and women stay home (just to clarify, i dont have such an opinion), but on the other hand possitions such as "" housewife"" are respected,
Anyway, I am sorry if i have made some gramatical errors, English is not my first language.
@KT Chong Agreed, I see you are a man of Culture
@KT Chong but then people who married to the family will have a claim on the throne. And it would be way too easy to get the throne if you know how to charm a princess if there are no other male heirs.
Prince Mikasa (Takahito) had two daughters: Sen Masako (nee Princess Masako, b. 1951) and Konoe Yasuko (nee Princess Yasuko, b. 1944).
Greetings to all Japanese people form Serbia, i hope their Prince will produce many more male heirs and dynasty will continue.
I think they have more princes whose titles are abolished but are also male descendants that can continue the dynasty.
I myself have 3 children now i am 50 years old and if can return time i would like to have 5 more. Children are biggest happiness one can have in life.
to many is hard
I hope prince Hisahito will marry and have a lot of children. The size of the Imperial Family is ever dwindling. It is possible that Hisahito will be it's only member one day.
as always you did a very good job on this video! i'd love to see you talking about the Jordan line of succession some day in the future or about the exiled royal family of Greece
Layal K.
That is a good one. I would love to see that.
Which is the next male line? The Fushimi-no-miya? Can you do a free for all the demoted oke and shinnoke branches living today
As I understand it:
If following tradition or historical facts:
1. Restore a cadet branch(es) that was excluded (Many had been legal until 1947)
2: Restore a female into line with a male child old enough, then "abdicate" (This has happened in history)
3. Wait circa 20 years from when Heir Apparent (number two in line, assuming odd circumstance happens to the Emperor) would likely have children
4. Have a male adopt a male, i.e current Emperor (This used to happened, usually involving a cadet branch)
If not following tradition:
1: Restore females into line and or drop male only requirement
2: Restore all cadet branches, including females
3: Allow adoptions anywhere in line.
I've had a new thought since then, and this maybe could align both schools of thought.
There is a very, very, small chance of this, but a cadet branch could be restored into the family if a member of the cadet branch married into the current royals and was male priomagteure for its history, and a law was past that restored the female royal, who has left, to royal status.
The 13 year old prince really does have alot of pressure hope he finds love when is is his sisters age and has many male heirs or it could be all over and japan is my favorite foreign country, great place with great history
Maybe they should drop their male only rule. It doesn't make sense with just 3 heirs, 1 likely to die before the current emperor.
Prince Hisahito pretty much needs to have 3 sons who in turn need to have 3 sons each, to stabalise the main line of the family. You mention it will be 15-20 years before he has any children which is a part of the problem. He should really be married off and have a child within the next 10 years.
He's 13 so gross
@@Stettafire Well yeah, i'm just talking in the abstract as to the only real way they can fix their heir issues without going back half a dozen generations.
@@Stettafire lol yea but in 10 years he'll be 23 and it's not like he has to work to provide for his future children, he could have 50 kids if he wants
That's kind of the problem with a male only line. Every royal line is facing this problem. He's going to need to have a billion kids if this lineage is to survive. Or Japan could just let women ascend and be done with it.
They should maintain their traditional succession but allow for a backup cause for a future empress just in case.
So like an agnatic-cognatic system?
@@tsovloj6510 more like male preference primogeniture, instead of the current male only primogeniture.
@@hellfun1337 I think that's the same thing
What is the point? Why not have an empress?
DJ Meme Xtreme because that’s not tradition idiot
There's always the family of that guy who claimed descent from the Southern Court after WW2...
I think they should keep to tradition, as it is until there is not male heir and then go to agnatic-cognatic for that persons daughter/s or a female sibling fitting of the title.
I mean in the past they allowed wives to become ruling expresses so it not that far off of a suggestion.
Just put Mako to marry Hisahito 😅❤
@@hieratics wtf that's levels of incest not even mist royal families are willing to do 😂😂😅
Hisahito will proclaim the new Empire of the Rising Sun
Zoomer Emperor
@@The_Custos He'll floss & do the Carlton during his coronation
Japan citizens ( 2019 ) : Yay! It has been 30 years since we had a new emperor!!
UK citizens ( Now ) : How about us?? It has been 68 years since we had a new monarch!!
Queen Elizabeth laughing in the background with Charles crying
God save the queen 😂
Lmao
Ck2 having an agnatic succession has ended my gameplay more times than I can even count.
Wow. There r many ppl don't even know about Japan discuss about JP's royal here. "Do this..." "Shouldn't do this" Don't do this..." blah blah blah
I agree with you!
Free speech has deluded people into believing their opinions actually have any value.
The fact that you can say what you please does not mean it has any significance.
These two cousins are an anime rivalry waiting to happen.
That little punk better have some sons ready by the time he turns 20, need to grow that tree, baby!
Your channel is on rise!
You should do your own family line of succession haha
Ha. Neat idea.
For the channel XD
Sίɍ Ɽαƴ I guess that he would need the consent of the family first, but I think that it would be fun to watch
My grandfather have three children 2 son and 1 daughter. My grandfather died few years ago, my father is the oldest son. So he is the current count of Ching Yuan. He married to the baroness of Isa and I am his only son, so I am the crown prince. And my uncle is the 2nd and my aunt is the 3rd in succession. The fourth in succession with be my grandfather's brother. My uncle have a girlfriend, but they never marry and his partner have passed the age of fertility. And my aunt is single. I have a betrothal with Elena, the baroness of Orekhovo-Domodedovskaya and I plan to marry her in the next few years. Since she is the only daughter, my children will inherit the barony. We will probably have 2 to 3 children. So the line of succession may continue.
Update, October 2021: Princess Mako married a commoner and therefore lost royal titles.
after searching wiki for long, i think this guy "Kuniaki Kuni" might be 4th in line of succession as
he is the great grandson of Emperor Ninkō, the grandfather of emperor meiji. Kuniaki is currently 92 years old. Tell me if i am correct. And of course he is direct male-line descendent of Emperor Ninkō through another son not the father of Emperor Meiji.
he might not be legitimate tho.. But Japan can change this in such a major obstacle...
"Prince" Fushimi Hiroaki wound be 4th if they un-abolish the Miyake. Children born by the Emperor's wife and their descendants come before children born from concubines. He is 89 and doesn't have any sons. They will probably wait until prince Hisahito becomes emperor and if he doesn't have any sons, they will see who is left in the Miyake. There are less and less males in the Miyake as well and some of the members are quite controversial (far-right nationalists and shady businessmen).
I looked him up, he descends from Emperor Sukō, not Ninkō.
Great video. Do you think you'll do a video in the future about the old Welsh and Irish royal families?
Yes my friend
@@LeePelagius 😁
Prince Hisahito:
Why do I feel a incoming disaster in the Imperial Household?
Emperor Puyi I and the Last Emperor of China who was crowned a child:
I feel you Hisahito, life will be harsh when you’re the only Successor of the Male Line.
This was fascinating.
2600 year old unbroken male line rests entirely on this 13 year old. I do not envy this kid
Why fix that which is not broken?
It is broken.
@@Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA Not as long as there are male heirs
@Fester Blats Ha, ha, ha, you gotta point there!!
It very nearly looked broken until the young prince was born. They got lucky then, who's to say they'd be so fortunate again?
If you trace the line back to meiji's grandfather, he actually had an adopted son. I don't know if that counts.
My understanding is that it doesn't for a number of reasons. The primary one being that the rest of the Imperial family surrendered their positions and possible lines of succession. Also, an adopted child would create a broken line.
Hopefully we’ll have an empress in our lifetime
I think it's unique and traditional that they keep it male only. It happens to be the oldest royal line in the world. They haven't let the West pressure them into our modern ideals or let certain "isms" dictate and change their royal tradition and have chosen to stick with a paternal line. But if something happens with the youngest heir they might have to change it if they want to keep it going. It's up to the Japanese alone to decide how they want to move forward
japan believes that a baby comes from the sperm of the male and therefore the female only carries by themselves in order to develop it into a fetus until it is complete and given birth but japan is not the only country to have this kind of belief
Hopefully Prince Hisahito has lots of children.
Apparently, there is a male lineage that is closer to the current imperial family compared to the former Miyake that left the family in 1945. Emperor Higashiyama (b. 1675) had a grandson Takatsukasa Sukehira, who was adopted to the Takatsukasa family. His lineage is still alive. Sukehira’s great-grandson Sukemasa died without an heir, but his younger brother Kikutei Yukisue was adopted to Kikutei family. From what I searched, it is not clear if his grandson has a male heir, in which case the line of succession may go to Sukemasa’s uncle Tokudaiji Kinito who was adopted to Tokudaiji family...
However, Kin-ito never married officially, so his children are all considered illegitimate. His great-great grandson Tokudaiji Kin-hide is of male lineage and still alive at the age of 100. He has a son Sanehiro.
Kin-ito actually has an older brother Hanazono Kanenobu which I didn’t care to search because he became a monk. But his male lineage is alive as well and would come before Kin-ito’s descendants.
Thanks, I worked for a Big Japanese company for 24 years, and to get them to talk about the Emperor's life was hard
Leave it as is.
The royalty is more for symbolism and tradition. Nice to have.
Seems like the universe is trying to tell them something ...
I mean even if they weren't possibly going to have a succession problem in the future, the girls should still be able to inherit the throne.
Japan: Only boys can be Emperor.
God: Yo Angels! Watch this...
*makes all the royal children girls*
Angels: HAHAHAHA!
I don't think that God is a feminist.
For a family with so many women, I don't understand how the smartass came up with the idea that only direct father to son line could be used. Clearly, these people didn't think far ahead. And regarding the question, of course, they should allow the girl to be the Queen. She was born first and has the right... quite simple
Can you do the line of succession to notable Dukedoms in the UK like the Duke of Norfolk, Kent and Gloucester?
I do have a question. I was watching a video where it said that the princesses could keep their title if they married a nobleman. However there are no noblemen left... what happened?
Japan's monarchy sure is interesting though not that popular as those in Europe. Their traditions I believe is very important to them so changing the way they choose their Monarch would be very hard. But I think they should really update it to save the future of their family.
may someone tell me what are the marriage options if a daughter takes the throne? Normally i think primogeniture with male preference is the best choice or even a female line )like the house of Garsenda, love that video) they won't merry into european royal families, soo they will merry a lesser noble? Or worst a commoner? In that case, better to go to old distant branchs if the nephew isn't able to have boys.
Yeah, let's continue with the male only line because of tradition, as long as it's possible.
It's not tradition though. It eas enforced after WWII. There have been female emperors before.
@@jojo2007ish Yes, but that was still 250 years ago and a different dynasty.
@@jojo2007ish Sorry, not a different dynasty but a different period that ended with the meji restoration.
@@jarl8815 So it's okay if it was before the Meiji Restoration? So much for your tradition argument.
@@Ted52 Well, those empresses didn't interupt the unbroken male line, starting 2600 years ago with emperor Jimmu. Because you could always find a male only connection to carry on the legacy.
But in this modern case it would definitely be broken if the laws were changed.
So when I'm talking about tradition I'm not necessarily talking about having only male emperors. Instead I'm talking about keeping a male only line in the dynasty because of a tradition that has lasted for 2600 years.
Hisahito can not become heir apperent as long as naruhito lives
In 1947, All Cadet Branches of Imperial Family were renounced their Imperial Status. If the main line will be died out they should be reinstated.
Things we can do to Save the family from extinction
1. Second marriages
2. Rule Change
3. Cousin Marriage
It’s a myth that only men have been emperors in Japan, there are multiple empresses in Japan’s history
But all empresses had father who was an emperor. To be exact, Japanese tradition is all emperors and empresses had paternal line which can be traced to First Emperor. Actually, the Child of all empresses never had become emperor in history because they didn’t have paternal imperial line.