The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/capturedinwords08211 Let me know, do you prefer character-driven or plot-driven stories? Edit: To clarify, I do think Gentleman Bastards is overall plot driven, but I place it in the gray zone as it's carried heavily by its cast of character.
Oh, i am an enjoyer of both! I definetely prefer character driven stories over plot driven ones, though if the plot-driven stories have good characters, i will probably still enjoy them
"I'd love to mention my favorite author and our lord and savior Brando Sando, however, none of his books fit the criteria for this list so I'll just mention both his two major series anyway" 😂
I so love, love, love the Farseer Trilogy and have been looking for a book or series as satisfying, engaging and full of great characters. Few have lived up, it's been a lot of "book blues" for me. I stumbled upon The Kingkiller Chonicles during the pandemic and greatly appreciate Patrick Rothfuss' masterful storytelling prowess.
Kvothe was hard to read about at some points because he's always having money problems and yet he's so bad at managing money once he gets some. He's like "well, this could pay for my next semester but I'm gonna go spend half of it on alcohol tonight instead".
I lot of people in that kind of situation who learn that everything can be taken away so easy in an instant they develope a mentality utilise every resource (be money or food etc.) because something can come along tomorrow and take it all away.
That's realistic though. Not having any money to manage doesn't teach you how to manage it. Kvothe doesn't necessarily grow better from tragedy and that's normal.
Everyone should read the Gentleman Bastards series they're so good I absolutely devoured them when I read them, the friendship between Locke and Jean is one of the best I've ever read
I have to recommend Lois McMaster Bujold. Her fantasy trilogy set in World of the Five Gods, starting with the Curse of Chalion is outstanding. I would classify them as character driven. Cazaril comes home from war a broken man and that is where the story begins. Bujold is maybe better known for her sci fi series following Miles Vorkosigan , all of her characters are imperfect & fascinating. All of her works are worth reading and re-reading!
Check out The Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe, starting with The Shadow of the Torturer. The series is nearly entirely about the character development of its main character Severian. There’s a dash of a plot thrown in there for flavor. It’s a complex difficult read, but we’ll worth it. The audiobooks are top notch. It’s also worth reading along with a dedicated podcast for breakdowns of each chapter. I recommend Alzabo Soup.
I am extremely interested in reading that series! It's been on my radar for awhile now, as it sounds like something I'd really enjoy but I never knew the audiobooks where good... interesting I think I will pick up book 1 with my audible credit this month! and thanks for the podcast rec too!
@@xcBlackDiamond Severian is making his way towards completing a goal, but you won’t really know what that goal is until about halfway through the series. The books are mostly about how this person starts off from rock bottom (and kind of a misogynistic asshole) and evolves into something much greater - BUT he’s an unreliable narrator, so you have to analyze what he’s saying. I won’t lie, it’s a complicated series.
@@CapturedInWords that’s awesome go for it. Gene Wolfe was a genius. It’s a shame the books don’t have the popularity they deserve. Readers who get into it though, develop almost a cult like devotion to the series. I’m not exaggerating when I say the series made me reflect on the meaning of life and the nature of the universe.
I would like to recommend the Earth Sea books from Ursula Le Quin. The 6 main stories involve a wizard who is growing up starts to learn new skills and became very powerful. In the 6 books he needs to face different challenges but the biggest is always his developing as a person.
I'm glad that Blood Song is mentioned for once. The first book was absolutely astounding, gave of real First Law vibes. Sadly, i didn't like books 2 and 3 at all.
Worth noting that Lies of Locke Lamora can be read as a standalone. It’s a full story, with only a few hints about small dangling threads that will play into the rest of the series.
Thank you for always pointing me in the direction of a new series or two. I would say my favorite for this character driven books would be the Picture of Dorian Gray.
Have you published a book, just noticed you said you were working on some fantasy books. If you like character driven books a friend of mine has a trilogy , the Merlin Spiral series which is a low fantasy and delves more into Merlin from his childhood in the first book where grows into an adult and helps the king to fight against the Druids and rescues Arthur which will be the next Trilogy.
Oh dear...did I finally hear you say "one of my favourite characters of all time" about Fitz?? Welcome to the club at last! 😂 I also agree with you about the characters of the First Law books. You end up sympathizing even with the nasty ones. I once started Locke Lamora, but then gave it up to read The Witcher, The Last Wish (which I really disliked). I should give Locke another chance. Hope you and your family can go back home soon. Stay safe.
so many people think that character-driven books are stories where the writter takes a lot of time showing us how cool the personality of the characters. thank you for this
Oh, I also want to recommend a series for you that is older, so you maybe haven't read it yet, The True Game series by Sheri Tepper. In total she has three trilogies set in this world. I highly recommend them.
Stories have main plots, if the story is long enough there may be subplots. The main plot in Character driven stories are the character dynamics. In plot driven stories, the main plot is something external.
I’m not super well-read in fantasy, but guessing before I watch, I’m going with Gentlemen Bastards, Kingkiller and my personal pick: Dresden Files. That last ones practically cheating though. I prefer character-driven stories, which is why I love Kingkiller and Gentlemen Bastards and I’m hoping to learn a few more great series from you in this vid.
Have you heard about SCARLETT LOST IN THE FIVE LANDS by Rajendra Sarilla. It is a mind blowing fantasy novel with a female lead, powerful villains, dragons, and great war scenes. The book is titled after protagonist SCARLETT and the story revoles around her, but i am not sure if it is character driven. Actually very few books can be considered as character driven..like CIRCE which involves the character circe ranting about her life.
I'm not sure whether Red Rising (at least the first trilogy) is character driven, and I think I've seen it on your bookshelf, but if you haven't read it then definitely try Red Rising. I've only read the first trilogy (starting book 4 soon though), but the first trilogy alone was great on so many levels, and I think one of it's best strengths was its characters (highlights for me being Darrow, the Jackal, Sevro, and Roque). Also "he'll most likely hubris his life into a complete disaster" was hilarious.
I would say a lot of the Neil Stephenson books can walk in the grey area of plot and character. Some of my favorites from him are Seveneves Reamde And Anathem
You HAAAAVE to read " The first Horn" of the (The secrets of Askir Saga). The series is from Richard Schwartz and was originally published in German. Do yourself a favor and read it please. Its plot driven with amazing characters.
Good video, but preaty bad examples. 1. The most character driven book by Sanderson is Elantris. The choices of the protagonist drives the plot forward. 2. Never wait until the end for Hobb when it comes to character driven or character focus. The "Farseer trilogy" is not character driven, it is character focus, but the next ones "Tawny Man trilogy", "Fitz and the fool trilogy" and "Soldier Son trilogy" are heavily character driven. 3. First Law trilogy again is not character driven but character focus, and from those the first book is the least character driven, the second is the most. A better example of character driven by Abercrombie is "Age of Madness trilogy", especially books 2 and 3 and the 1st book sets up the characters instead. And the standalones: "Best Served Cold", "The Heroes", and "The Red Country" are heavily character driven. 4. Other books that are very good and character driven: "Raven's Blade duology" by Anthony Ryan; "EarthSea quartet" by Ursula Le Guin; and "The Broken Empire" by Mark Lawrence. Thanks for your videos, hope this comment helps.
A great round-up of books, and assessment of what constitutes plot-driven vs. character-driven stories. I’d disagree slightly re. George RR Martin. He is a self-confessed ‘discovery’ writer, taking characters and placing them in conflict situations (see his interview at ua-cam.com/video/5SGHIsUmrKM/v-deo.html.) He then builds the plot round these conflicts - which is why it takes him so long to finish books! If he was more plot-driven in his approach, he would outline very meticulously - and probably finish his Song of Ice and Fire more quickly. I doubt whether it would be as good, though. You asked for other, character-driven, recommendations, so I’d suggest Leigh Bardugo’s Grishaverse, ‘tsar punk’ series, particularly ‘Shadow and Bone’. It’s not epic fantasy as such, but features gripping story-telling. I continue to lift my hat in recognition of your high quality fantasy reviews. Keep up the good work.
I'm still not sure I understand the distinction, I mean there's a lot of plot in ASOIAF, but surely it's the characters and their complex choices that affect and drive the plot - maybe not with forces such as the white walkers, but at least the politics and war games are driven by the kings and their advisers and generals and the nuances of their characters? Is it because there's so many of them and we don't stay with one or two characters as the books narrative (too many characters - no matter how fleshed out - become a mass of plot that no single person drives)? Or is it that there has to literally be not much happening overall to allow the characters to "be themselves"?
Speaking of the wheel of time, I don’t think the main cast of female characters are badly written, I think they are superbly written bad people. I cannot stand Nynaeve or Elayne. One happens to browbeat and bully any man that breathes within a ten mile radius of her while the other is arrogant to the point of obnoxiousness. I’ve had to take a break from the series in the middle of book 7 just to let my simmering disdain for Jordan’s terrible character decisions die down. What the hell was he thinking making nearly every female character such a man-hating, drama-inducing mess of a character?
Nice recs! I think Emperor's Soul can qualify as a character-driven BrandoSando book, although it is a novella. Hope things get better soon and you can be reunited with your books, stay safe!
I’ve noticed over the years of reading I prefer a more character driven story over a plot driven story, though there’s plenty of great stories on both sides. I’ve read a few of your suggestions already but not all of them so thank you for the suggestions, I now have some books to pick up and read.
I've noticed that too, I prefer books with very interesting characters. Usually I can enjoy a book if it has amazing characters but the plot is thin, but I find it harder to enjoy a book with poorly written characters and a better plot. But of course a book that is something in-between is best!
I think what you meantime’s with ASOIAF is what makes it my fav series of all time. The characters are the best I’ve ever read (at least on par with Abercrombie) and so detailed and complex but the series has a interesting plot too. It’s just a perfect combination of both. As a big GB fan I think it’s very plot driven
I feel like Elantris would have been a better Sanderson suggestion And the Gentleman Bastards series is so disappointing to me. Every single plot point boils down to “Jean, go fix everything”
I just finished writing a very character driven fantasy and I’m having such a hard time pitching it and querying because of this. Thanks for the recs, I’m going to check them out to get some ideas!!
I feel that when you write a story you shouldn't know what's going to happen, you create a world, create characters and give them personalities and as your characters react to things in the world, that creates the plot. The other way is to have the plot all lined out, then create characters that will get that done, and then fill in the details in the middle... that's just bad writing. The first way gets you a really well put together and memorable story with characters that feel real, but the second way gets you an HBO series, so you have to decide which is more important to you.
The problem is your defining extremes in saying that it's either this way or that way. Every author I've ever heard talk described some varying mixture of both of these techniques.
Love the new setting Jay, but I still miss your book shelf. I wish I could say Lord Of The Rings or The Powder Mage trilogy, but LOTR falls in the grey area, even though we got to see tremendous amount of character development, especially Aragorn as king of Gondor and friendship of Legolas and Gimli, or Sam on the other hand. Powder Mage is amazing but it's mostly plot driven, like with the coup and all that stuff, but still it's has a great father son relationship conflict.
I miss my bookshelf too 😭 I agree, LOTR has some amazing characters that go through a lot of development. Aragorn and Sam are my favs! I still need to read Powder Mage
Witcher is 100% plot driven. 95% of the things that are happening are ...happening and geralt and the rest just deal with it. For example the short stories, they are so plot driven, yes we get to know geralt and few other characters but it al focuse on the tasks. Sure there is characters development, but it's not the driving point of the story. E.g ciri growing up and learning to handel herself is "just" growing up and the /plot/ demands it
I hope you get your house back soon, mate! Nice video, you have re-peaked my interest for the first law trilogy, so to speak! *if you think the farseer trilogy is good, you have seen nothing yet. Read the rest of the RotE or forever regret it*
Yes he has said that Doors of Stone will end the Kingkiller Chronicle trilogy, but that this trilogy is just a prequel to another planned series that will take place in the same world
@@CapturedInWords Right. Probably why it's so hard to wrap up in one remaining book. I'd rather he just put out a book and finish it in another at this point Haha
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Let me know, do you prefer character-driven or plot-driven stories?
Edit: To clarify, I do think Gentleman Bastards is overall plot driven, but I place it in the gray zone as it's carried heavily by its cast of character.
Oh, i am an enjoyer of both! I definetely prefer character driven stories over plot driven ones, though if the plot-driven stories have good characters, i will probably still enjoy them
Captured in Words, did you finish the series? I feel it is very much character driven, the plot revolves around Loche. Love your videos.
I think it would be cool to see a Fan-Finished version to the King Killer Chronicle series. 🤙🏾🌺
'This is a story in which nothing really happens... but it's amazing.'
Okay, you sold me.
truly the Seinfeld of the Fantasy genre
"I'd love to mention my favorite author and our lord and savior Brando Sando, however, none of his books fit the criteria for this list so I'll just mention both his two major series anyway" 😂
I love all the fan art that you use, it so good, especially the First Law, ASOIAF and Farseer ones
I so love, love, love the Farseer Trilogy and have been looking for a book or series as satisfying, engaging and full of great characters. Few have lived up, it's been a lot of "book blues" for me. I stumbled upon The Kingkiller Chonicles during the pandemic and greatly appreciate Patrick Rothfuss' masterful storytelling prowess.
I'm in the same boat, but didn't find the Kingkiller Chronicles filled the void.... sigh.
Kvothe was hard to read about at some points because he's always having money problems and yet he's so bad at managing money once he gets some. He's like "well, this could pay for my next semester but I'm gonna go spend half of it on alcohol tonight instead".
Btw that's pretty realistic, i know people who live like this
His problems are a lot deeper than not "saving" his money lol
I lot of people in that kind of situation who learn that everything can be taken away so easy in an instant they develope a mentality utilise every resource (be money or food etc.) because something can come along tomorrow and take it all away.
That's realistic though. Not having any money to manage doesn't teach you how to manage it. Kvothe doesn't necessarily grow better from tragedy and that's normal.
Everyone should read the Gentleman Bastards series they're so good I absolutely devoured them when I read them, the friendship between Locke and Jean is one of the best I've ever read
I can't like this enough!! I'm such a character driven reader but I'll take plot with good characters (like Sanderson).
I think Farseer counts as 'character driven straight into the dirt until I spiral into a depression reading about him'
But it's so good!
@Overly Average Ben
I agree.
I prefer character-driven stories, but I feel like sometimes it's too much of a good thing.
I have to recommend Lois McMaster Bujold. Her fantasy trilogy set in World of the Five Gods, starting with the Curse of Chalion is outstanding. I would classify them as character driven. Cazaril comes home from war a broken man and that is where the story begins. Bujold is maybe better known for her sci fi series following Miles Vorkosigan
, all of her characters are imperfect & fascinating. All of her works are worth reading and re-reading!
Check out The Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe, starting with The Shadow of the Torturer. The series is nearly entirely about the character development of its main character Severian. There’s a dash of a plot thrown in there for flavor. It’s a complex difficult read, but we’ll worth it. The audiobooks are top notch. It’s also worth reading along with a dedicated podcast for breakdowns of each chapter. I recommend Alzabo Soup.
My favorite Sci-fi of all time.
I am extremely interested in reading that series! It's been on my radar for awhile now, as it sounds like something I'd really enjoy but I never knew the audiobooks where good... interesting I think I will pick up book 1 with my audible credit this month! and thanks for the podcast rec too!
How little plot we talking?
@@xcBlackDiamond Severian is making his way towards completing a goal, but you won’t really know what that goal is until about halfway through the series. The books are mostly about how this person starts off from rock bottom (and kind of a misogynistic asshole) and evolves into something much greater - BUT he’s an unreliable narrator, so you have to analyze what he’s saying. I won’t lie, it’s a complicated series.
@@CapturedInWords that’s awesome go for it. Gene Wolfe was a genius. It’s a shame the books don’t have the popularity they deserve. Readers who get into it though, develop almost a cult like devotion to the series. I’m not exaggerating when I say the series made me reflect on the meaning of life and the nature of the universe.
I would like to recommend the Earth Sea books from Ursula Le Quin. The 6 main stories involve a wizard who is growing up starts to learn new skills and became very powerful. In the 6 books he needs to face different challenges but the biggest is always his developing as a person.
I'm glad that Blood Song is mentioned for once.
The first book was absolutely astounding, gave of real First Law vibes.
Sadly, i didn't like books 2 and 3 at all.
I liked Blood Song a lot and then it felt like nothing happened at the end. I was like, that's it?
"The slow regard of silent things" is 100% character driven
The farseer trilogy has two subsequent trilogies, plus a side quest trilogy focused on the Fool, you may wanna check those out
Worth noting that Lies of Locke Lamora can be read as a standalone. It’s a full story, with only a few hints about small dangling threads that will play into the rest of the series.
This video is an extremely valuable resource,
because character-driven stories are lacking in the Fantasy genre.
Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Phoenix Extravagant is definitely character-focused and leans more into the philosophy of rebellions than the action side. Highly recommend1
*glances nervously at my already-bulging tbr*
Thank you for always pointing me in the direction of a new series or two. I would say my favorite for this character driven books would be the Picture of Dorian Gray.
I hadn’t thought of it, but Dorian is very character driven!!
Have you published a book, just noticed you said you were working on some fantasy books. If you like character driven books a friend of mine has a trilogy , the Merlin Spiral series which is a low fantasy and delves more into Merlin from his childhood in the first book where grows into an adult and helps the king to fight against the Druids and rescues Arthur which will be the next Trilogy.
Oh dear...did I finally hear you say "one of my favourite characters of all time" about Fitz?? Welcome to the club at last! 😂
I also agree with you about the characters of the First Law books. You end up sympathizing even with the nasty ones.
I once started Locke Lamora, but then gave it up to read The Witcher, The Last Wish (which I really disliked). I should give Locke another chance.
Hope you and your family can go back home soon.
Stay safe.
so many people think that character-driven books are stories where the writter takes a lot of time showing us how cool the personality of the characters. thank you for this
happy to see you're back in full swing :-) amazing vid as usual
Thank you! :)
Blood song is amazing. It’s rough in 2 and 3 but 4 and 5 are satisfying.
Oh, I also want to recommend a series for you that is older, so you maybe haven't read it yet, The True Game series by Sheri Tepper. In total she has three trilogies set in this world. I highly recommend them.
Hey, senlin ascends should be at the top of your list. It's super cool and weird.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I HAVE READ ALL OF THESE
they're all so popular, cant we get something new or something up and coming
I recently got into the author Andrew Rowe because of Nick podell who narrates all of his books on audible.
The most character driven book of Brandon Sanderson in my opinion is Warbreaker
Yeah
I'd recommend Nevernight. I liked the protagonist even more than Kvothe, which was my all time favorite
Stories have main plots, if the story is long enough there may be subplots.
The main plot in Character driven stories are the character dynamics. In plot driven stories, the main plot is something external.
Soon as the algorithm blesses you you’re gonna pop.
Thanks for the video. I just started Farseer on your many recommendations.
I can't recommend those books enough!! Happy journey with Fitz, Ethan.
I’m not super well-read in fantasy, but guessing before I watch, I’m going with Gentlemen Bastards, Kingkiller and my personal pick: Dresden Files.
That last ones practically cheating though.
I prefer character-driven stories, which is why I love Kingkiller and Gentlemen Bastards and I’m hoping to learn a few more great series from you in this vid.
Love 'Mistborn trilogy' by Brandon Sanderson!!
Arcane Ascension by Andrew Rowe. Gave me some Kingkiller vibes, but with a ton of video game RPG and tabletop RPG tropes.
Blood song is very great and based off of your recommendations I think you would love it!
Have you heard about SCARLETT LOST IN THE FIVE LANDS by Rajendra Sarilla. It is a mind blowing fantasy novel with a female lead, powerful villains, dragons, and great war scenes. The book is titled after protagonist SCARLETT and the story revoles around her, but i am not sure if it is character driven. Actually very few books can be considered as character driven..like CIRCE which involves the character circe ranting about her life.
Was that the Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind manga I spied behind you?
Good eye ;) yes, it is!
@@CapturedInWords Right on!
While I liked the Lies of Locke Lamora, but the series couldn't draw me in further. The Goblin Emperor sounds amazing
Great vid. Hope you're able to return home soon. Hang in there.
I'm not sure whether Red Rising (at least the first trilogy) is character driven, and I think I've seen it on your bookshelf, but if you haven't read it then definitely try Red Rising. I've only read the first trilogy (starting book 4 soon though), but the first trilogy alone was great on so many levels, and I think one of it's best strengths was its characters (highlights for me being Darrow, the Jackal, Sevro, and Roque).
Also "he'll most likely hubris his life into a complete disaster" was hilarious.
I would say a lot of the Neil Stephenson books can walk in the grey area of plot and character.
Some of my favorites from him are
Seveneves
Reamde
And Anathem
The half goblin book sounded exactly like the plot of the movie King Ralph.
I would totally recommend The circle series by Ted Dekker. It is light, fun to read, and has good plot twists
Thank you Jay!!!
I'm sure you've read King's Dark Tidings. That series is completely character driven.
Cryptic is influencing all your recommendations lol.
Great video Jay!
Blood song hands down still to this day my favourite fanatasy book. Book 2 was a huge let down but book 1 was amazing.
I'd say Elantris is character driven same with Emperors Soul
You HAAAAVE to read " The first Horn" of the (The secrets of Askir Saga). The series is from Richard Schwartz and was originally published in German. Do yourself a favor and read it please. Its plot driven with amazing characters.
Good video, but preaty bad examples.
1. The most character driven book by Sanderson is Elantris. The choices of the protagonist drives the plot forward.
2. Never wait until the end for Hobb when it comes to character driven or character focus. The "Farseer trilogy" is not character driven, it is character focus, but the next ones "Tawny Man trilogy", "Fitz and the fool trilogy" and "Soldier Son trilogy" are heavily character driven.
3. First Law trilogy again is not character driven but character focus, and from those the first book is the least character driven, the second is the most. A better example of character driven by Abercrombie is "Age of Madness trilogy", especially books 2 and 3 and the 1st book sets up the characters instead. And the standalones: "Best Served Cold", "The Heroes", and "The Red Country" are heavily character driven.
4. Other books that are very good and character driven: "Raven's Blade duology" by Anthony Ryan; "EarthSea quartet" by Ursula Le Guin; and "The Broken Empire" by Mark Lawrence.
Thanks for your videos, hope this comment helps.
A great round-up of books, and assessment of what constitutes plot-driven vs. character-driven stories. I’d disagree slightly re. George RR Martin. He is a self-confessed ‘discovery’ writer, taking characters and placing them in conflict situations (see his interview at ua-cam.com/video/5SGHIsUmrKM/v-deo.html.) He then builds the plot round these conflicts - which is why it takes him so long to finish books! If he was more plot-driven in his approach, he would outline very meticulously - and probably finish his Song of Ice and Fire more quickly. I doubt whether it would be as good, though. You asked for other, character-driven, recommendations, so I’d suggest Leigh Bardugo’s Grishaverse, ‘tsar punk’ series, particularly ‘Shadow and Bone’. It’s not epic fantasy as such, but features gripping story-telling. I continue to lift my hat in recognition of your high quality fantasy reviews. Keep up the good work.
Very good! Keep going bro! I read yout face rather then books
I think The Young Elites has a good Character driven (at least with Adelina).
So...50 pages. Gentleman bastards it is
I'm still not sure I understand the distinction, I mean there's a lot of plot in ASOIAF, but surely it's the characters and their complex choices that affect and drive the plot - maybe not with forces such as the white walkers, but at least the politics and war games are driven by the kings and their advisers and generals and the nuances of their characters? Is it because there's so many of them and we don't stay with one or two characters as the books narrative (too many characters - no matter how fleshed out - become a mass of plot that no single person drives)? Or is it that there has to literally be not much happening overall to allow the characters to "be themselves"?
I feel that 'The Song of Ice and Fire' lies more in grey area between character-driven and plot-driven, leaning slighty towards plot-driven
Hope you're doing well man🤞
Speaking of the wheel of time, I don’t think the main cast of female characters are badly written, I think they are superbly written bad people. I cannot stand Nynaeve or Elayne. One happens to browbeat and bully any man that breathes within a ten mile radius of her while the other is arrogant to the point of obnoxiousness. I’ve had to take a break from the series in the middle of book 7 just to let my simmering disdain for Jordan’s terrible character decisions die down. What the hell was he thinking making nearly every female character such a man-hating, drama-inducing mess of a character?
Nice recs! I think Emperor's Soul can qualify as a character-driven BrandoSando book, although it is a novella.
Hope things get better soon and you can be reunited with your books, stay safe!
Emperor's soul is insanely plot driven tho. "You have 100 days to do this specific task, go!"
I love your videos i hope you and your mom are doing ok and home soon
I’ve noticed over the years of reading I prefer a more character driven story over a plot driven story, though there’s plenty of great stories on both sides. I’ve read a few of your suggestions already but not all of them so thank you for the suggestions, I now have some books to pick up and read.
I've noticed that too, I prefer books with very interesting characters. Usually I can enjoy a book if it has amazing characters but the plot is thin, but I find it harder to enjoy a book with poorly written characters and a better plot. But of course a book that is something in-between is best!
You should give empire of silence by Christopher rucchio a go
I think what you meantime’s with ASOIAF is what makes it my fav series of all time. The characters are the best I’ve ever read (at least on par with Abercrombie) and so detailed and complex but the series has a interesting plot too. It’s just a perfect combination of both. As a big GB fan I think it’s very plot driven
I feel like Elantris would have been a better Sanderson suggestion
And the Gentleman Bastards series is so disappointing to me. Every single plot point boils down to “Jean, go fix everything”
I loved The Goblin Emperor! Haven’t read the companion novel yet, but I just found out there’s going to be a 3rd book set in that world!
I haven't read the companion book yet either! Woo can't wait!
Like Enrico Pucci in JOJO
I just finished writing a very character driven fantasy and I’m having such a hard time pitching it and querying because of this. Thanks for the recs, I’m going to check them out to get some ideas!!
come on!! lets be honest.. The Doors of Stone is never going to come out...after all this time.
Great video, but I disagree about ASoIaF
I highly recommend you check out Doors of Stone review by Patrick Rothfus on Goodreads.
My god that man is funny!
The Lies of Locke Lamora is not character driven. It’s one of the most plot-driven books I’ve ever read.
To clarify, I do think Gentleman Bastards is overall plot driven, but I place it in the gray zone as it's carried heavily by its cast of character.
I feel that when you write a story you shouldn't know what's going to happen, you create a world, create characters and give them personalities and as your characters react to things in the world, that creates the plot. The other way is to have the plot all lined out, then create characters that will get that done, and then fill in the details in the middle... that's just bad writing. The first way gets you a really well put together and memorable story with characters that feel real, but the second way gets you an HBO series, so you have to decide which is more important to you.
The problem is your defining extremes in saying that it's either this way or that way. Every author I've ever heard talk described some varying mixture of both of these techniques.
Love the new setting Jay, but I still miss your book shelf. I wish I could say Lord Of The Rings or The Powder Mage trilogy, but LOTR falls in the grey area, even though we got to see tremendous amount of character development, especially Aragorn as king of Gondor and friendship of Legolas and Gimli, or Sam on the other hand. Powder Mage is amazing but it's mostly plot driven, like with the coup and all that stuff, but still it's has a great father son relationship conflict.
I miss my bookshelf too 😭 I agree, LOTR has some amazing characters that go through a lot of development. Aragorn and Sam are my favs! I still need to read Powder Mage
msiing the old shelf and background with nothing but just boooks
Me tooooo 😭
What about the witcher series?? Don't you think it's a character driven story??
Ahhh That's a good one, I should have mentioned Witcher!
Witcher is 100% plot driven. 95% of the things that are happening are ...happening and geralt and the rest just deal with it. For example the short stories, they are so plot driven, yes we get to know geralt and few other characters but it al focuse on the tasks. Sure there is characters development, but it's not the driving point of the story. E.g ciri growing up and learning to handel herself is "just" growing up and the /plot/ demands it
I hope you get your house back soon, mate! Nice video, you have re-peaked my interest for the first law trilogy, so to speak! *if you think the farseer trilogy is good, you have seen nothing yet. Read the rest of the RotE or forever regret it*
I hope so too! Can't wait to read more RotE soon!
Has Pat ever said that Doors of Stone will wrap up the story? I can't recall him every saying that.
Yes he has said that Doors of Stone will end the Kingkiller Chronicle trilogy, but that this trilogy is just a prequel to another planned series that will take place in the same world
@@CapturedInWords Right. Probably why it's so hard to wrap up in one remaining book. I'd rather he just put out a book and finish it in another at this point Haha
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Is there a UA-cam review channel that is not a blatant homosexual beta?
Uhhh I'm not a homosexual, my girlfriend is in several of my videos.
@@CapturedInWords Why do you act like an exaggerated homosexual then? Can you point me to a masculine reviewer?
@@CapturedInWords It’s totally OK to be homosexual bro. I’m not judging. I’m just saying you honestly seem like a legit homosexual.
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