An intriguing story, and one which raises more questions than it answers. I’d love to know what the real story is. Very well put together video; and one of your best yet I think.
Here's the most likely story: he used "marginal gains" to make a career for himself, had a huge win in a contract year. Sky lowballed him on the contract and Bora gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he signed with Bora, Sky punished him by not taking him to any grand tours that year, which is common to do in cycling when you star is signing elsewhere. Once he got to Bora with a very large contract in hand, teh pressure was off and either he couldn't get the same "marginal gains" or he chose not to use any "marginal gains" voluntarily. After his Bora contract was up, he wasn't going to get another million and a half euro contract, and the idea of signing to a team like D tier team like Qubecka for 200,000 euros was too much of an ego blow, so better to retire with a few million in the bank.
Pete was a superb junior and under 23, and his achievements at senior level were also pretty special (Olympics Golds anyone?). UK and IoM club cyclists certainly haven’t forgotten him. But there was a pretty obvious problem to anyone who knew him…. his body weight and body image. He became seriously underweight at Team Sky / British Cycling. Shockingly so. No wonder he burned out. There is a high correlation between anorexia / bulimia and anxiety / depression / suicide (Pete was suicidally depressed in the weeks prior to his retirement) and the direction of causation is not necessarily from mind to food. It works the other way around as way. Starve an athlete and you are putting all areas of their health at risk.
I love your turn of phrase "access to marginal gains". I imagine there are some riders who aren't comfortable with the cheating and subterfuge and there is of course the possibility that a body does not respond well to accessing marginal gains. Then there is the aspect of intrigue, politics and petty jealousy. Cyclng is a little bit like a historical drama with kings, nobility, knights and foot soldiers and inevitably a lot of stabbings ( some of those stabbings being hypodermic in nature ).
@davidoffon I only raced as a Junior back in the early 80s. I can remember some of my mates talking about taking Benadryl of all things as some kind of means of getting an edge along with cough medicine and asthma inhalers and getting the idea that among the more "dedicated" participants, a little chemical help was certainly on the table as an option. I do remember one lad in particular, Joey McLoughlin of Liverpool Mercury ( this was Merseyside ), a nephew of Phil Thomas a very prominent pro on the UK scene, suddenly started putting in amazing performances at the same time as he developed some odd facial tics. I think he was so clearly "on something" that he was eventually sanctioned. Just googled him - short pro career with a lot of injuries. I think we can probably agree that it's a fabulous past time and awful sport even though I do love to follow it.
That's why I compare pro-cycling to pro-wrestling at least in the latters heyday before the loss of 'kayfabe'. Both are/were totally 'fake' spectacles, but the real drama, the 'reality' of the whole thing was backstage with the fall-outs, the intrigue, the politics, the back-stabbing, etc. I still think pro-cycling is full of crap even if the 'turbo' peds have been eliminated.
Absolutely fascinating. I watched that stage live and remember it well. I didn’t remember that he wasn’t picked for the Tour. Something very strange happened, clearly. Funny that Ben Swift finished second that for pretty much his only decent ride at UAE…. A very suspicious tale. Great work
@@hugo587 They've all been doping since Fausto Coppi was around - them getting caught is just part of the fun of following cycling. Anyone who is surprised was born yesterday and anyone whose channel is called 'cycling stories' when it's only about doped cyclists is just taking advantage of other people's naivety.
Sky has to be the most honest team ever assembled in sport. In fact, their boss, whose history is in sales, has said this himself, so it must be true. I just love the intense and aggressive honesty that people like Sky offer. Like US Postal and Festina, their commitment to integrity is a credit to cycling and sport in general. Thank you Sky, we love you.
I am honest: Normally I got a really got spongelike brain when its about cycling. I remember things like Julio Alberto Perez Cuapio poking Gilberto Simoni on a Giro-Climb, or that Petacchi broke his hand on the team bus at the vuelta, because he was angry to not win a stage. But i totally forgot that Peter Kennaugh was a thing back in the days
He was a great rider / is a great rider . Maybe it’s too late for him in terms of returning to the pro peleton , but I hope he can solve his own inner demons .
I rode a few times with PK. Friendly dude and made for cycling. The issue is just some riders get too lean and serotonin can get too low. One really has to ensure enough daily sugars or the low serotonin will just kill your motivation no matter how talented or who you know etc. Nigel Mitchell was there nutritionist at the time and whilst he is a good hearted guy he is mad sugar phobic and that will destroy a riders performance if they listen to him. Ive worked with countless WT riders now and they all tell me I prescribe them the most sugars and they also perform their best or feel their best.
There were rumours abound Pete K wasn’t at all liked by the peloton, considered a spoilt brat. Would be interesting to hear an in-depth, honest interview with Pete.
He had a reputation for being an arrogant prick, and things like the way he treated Rasmussen for suggesting Geraint Thomas outclimbing Nairo Quintana was questionable (spoiler: he was right - no matter how disreputable Rasmussen may be, his point was legit) and the way he belittled Emma Pooley and ranted about nobody caring about women's cycling kind of suggest that he got that reputation for a reason. Afraid you'd have to wait for some genuine disgrace to hit British cycling to get a real in-depth, honest interview that would really go some way to explaining how things went awry for Pete though, far too many of the 'old boys' who were invested in the success of BC are in the cycling media so are invested in not uncovering any dirty laundry that isn't already known about,.
@davidoffon You have a chip on your shoulder and a white saviour complex. The poorest and least accessible to education, sports like cycling etc, are white boys. This is a fact. They are neglected, have no special programmes because pricks like you don't get dopamine hits from helping them because they are white, not some other race that you can pat yourself on the back for helping.
Sounds more like a lack of media training than being a ‘spiked brat’. If you heard the riders talk among themselves you’d be surprised that they are very different to how they appear in front of the camera. Same reason young riders often give more interesting interviews, then after they’ve been in the peloton for a few years they sound like politicians. People don’t want you to be honest and be yourself, they want you to talk in emoty feel good cliches.
David Veilleux, wins a stage of the Dauphine, the Boucle Mayonne, rides his first Tour, making some breakaways...then promptly retires at 26. Francois Parisien wins a World Tour stage...then retires. Both in 2013. Both from Quebec.....if nothing else, really odd.
@@goldenretriever6261 I have bad news for you... An engineering career doesnt pay anywhere near being on a top team... so thats not a good enough motif on my view, so probably something to do with doping...
Great video !! Great insight to Peter's career!! Pity about it's ending!! Hope he's happy now though!! But ya do wonder what actually went on at Sky behind closed doors 🤔😒
LOL the marginal gains and the star climber straight off the track. Good onya lads, what a great Cycling Story. Loved the mention of Saint Dave and his association with David Millar. Say no more.
Recall reading that Millar was being courted by Brailsford for SKY, co-incidentally his sister Fran was working for them also. Brailsford was one of the few people who 'stuck by' Millar possibly for the latter reason? I read Nicole Cooke's memoir where she also mentions the Brailsford/Millar connection in terms of Brailsford's sexist and dismissive attitude to women cycling syphoning money to the mens teams at BC. She unlike Brailsford had unsurprisingly zero sympathy for Millar.
History will not be kind to Sky Pro Cycling. And when history is not kind, people who were present (with or without titles) will swear they knew nothing and had no idea anf weren't told. And we will smile. I love cycling as a sport, but it has always been a bit dodgy and this mob were among the dodgiest.
Hate to say this about the sport that drugs especially the mixing of drugs in races can create strange mental behavior and physical damage. I knew an unscrupulous coach that experimented with PEDS on his riders. One died.
Talent wise Kennaugh was clearly ahead of all the other Brits of his era, great u23 rider on both of the road (3rd in the 2009 u23 Giro and multiple one day race wins in Italy) and the track. Kennaugh got involved in some proxy wars on social media and he always enjoyed a drink or two and even liked to smoke when partying. Besides his mental health related problems (or maybe also because of them) he always seemed a bit of a loose cannon who couldn't be fully trusted.
My brother has been a good racer, spending twenty years of his life riding and training hard day by day. And he never ever broke the smallest rule, not even once: when people around used to tell him he had to "help" himself with some "new medical aid", he replied he'd rather quit cycling or be considered a looser, instead of cheating anyone. His name? G. P.
@@GFSagredo You are correct, in this case. But, unfortunately, more and more English people are writing "looser" instead of "loser." It really annoys me.
It is entertainment, a bit of history and some context about the results. A lot of cycling fans, actually believe that professional athletes are achieving these feats solely on bread and water. In the 1990s magazines like cycle sport used to write clap trap articles about femur length being instrumental to be a top class rider. It was of course just nonsense rather like the "marginal gains" clap trap that team sky spouted. But of course the new fans of cycling lapped it up.
I'm not convinced about the mental health concerns of Pete or indeed of Marcel Kittle. I feel it's being used as a shield and of course it's the type of thing many would never question as they think, why would anyone use a cover like that unless it was true.
I sometimes wonder if it would have just been better for marginal gains to be allowed. It perhaps would have been healthier for the riders to be allowed to take them and not have to cover it up. By now it's been happening for at least 23 years that we all know of in the Armstrong days and let's be honest it was happening way before that. How much knowledge would we have gained about improving performance through certain substances. We would know if taking substances has a negative effect on health etc. But it is what it is I suppose
Ben, Not sure if you're familiar with Tommy Simpson? He died from Heart failure ascending Mont Ventoux in 1967!! his Autopsy revealed he had Amphetamines (also known as speed, I take it by prescription for ADHD) Alcohol, and diuretics, the hot weather and the fact he had Diarrhoea (He actually didn't feel well enough to race that day but was "persuaded" to do so by the TM) but it was commonly used then as doping of late. They even found packets of Amphets in his room AND his jersey. It's both really interesting watching these Doping "Reveals" lol, but at the same time learning the truth about the unbelievable achievements of my past Inspirations turns out to be exactly that UNBELIEVABLE 😏
@Ben Cycling is about as clean as a bodybuilder on synth oil. I just take it as a given, that what I'm seeing isn't real, but you're right it would be interesting just to make it legal. See what people are taking and what the negative affects are. The same with runners they all on the gear, just need some transparency.
Point of accuracy: David Millar didn't test positive. He was arrested and charged by French police, and was banned from cycling after his guilty plea and conviction.
@@cyclingstories Padun was good in La Vuelta and he might have kept up his form if he was selected at the Tour de France, Hindley was terrible throughout 2021 and we all questioned whether he was a one timer but hes up there in the Giro at the moment.
"Previously unknown climber"- Lol Kennaugh finished 3rd overall in the u23 giro (behind a certain Richie Porte) AND finished 4th in the u23 world road race the year before turning pro with sky. This Irish guy is clueless 🤦♂️🤡
I like your content but i feel like this one was full of unsubstantiated digs on someone who we have to take at face value as struggling with mental health.
Eventually the truth will emerge. Froome went from being a donkey to a 4 times TDF champion. People forget quickly. Marginal gains aka the best doping programme in modern cycling.
actually he went from donkey to at least second in any the GT he finished until his crash during TT recon, after his recovery he went straight back to his pre-sky level. Team Sky and British Cycle announced a program to win a TdF within 5 years, they happen to turn Wiggins into a winner a found accidentaly the best GC rider of the decade in the span of 3 years... Suspicious. Half of the descent british riders have won a GT over the last 10 years. Neither Belgium, Italy, Spain nor France can tell much since cycling went international.
@@simonrano8072 Well done on completely overlooking Wiggins achievements before his TdF win, the development and vast amounts of money that was pumped into GB Cycling and Team Sky for over a decade and also all the brilliant continental European riders who have taken many victories throughout this period
@@livingthroughtv like a single top 10 finish on a TdF with a lot of TT ? 2012 had a custom course for him because UK bought a Grand Depart with millions for 2014. And still he kept hi flat TT power loosing 15 lbs, had a lot of TUE and the suspicious package case... there is also the famous special training sessions for brits nationals and Porte only at Sky... not to mention froome TUEs, Salbutamol abuse, doping products delivered to BC HQs, the fact that UK riders dominated GT in the 2010q like even Spanish riders nevered dreamed of when massively blood doping, the fact that UK had an unreal progression in endurance sport for the 12 olympics, Mo Farah s coach is banned for life, UK with Coe led the charge against Russia doping program, yet they lost against "clean" Brirish athletes before the ban took effect... shall I continue ?
@@simonrano8072 Oh god, I can't believe the fucking internet truthers have begun bothering sport of all things with their "talents". Never mind carrying on, give it a rest and find a hobby and some solitude, Si.
I don’t think Froome was ever a donkey. His post-crash for is not surprising given the severity of his injuries and his natural ageing. Sadly that happens to everyone.
An intriguing story, and one which raises more questions than it answers. I’d love to know what the real story is. Very well put together video; and one of your best yet I think.
Yes, "...the real story...".
Here's the most likely story: he used "marginal gains" to make a career for himself, had a huge win in a contract year. Sky lowballed him on the contract and Bora gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he signed with Bora, Sky punished him by not taking him to any grand tours that year, which is common to do in cycling when you star is signing elsewhere. Once he got to Bora with a very large contract in hand, teh pressure was off and either he couldn't get the same "marginal gains" or he chose not to use any "marginal gains" voluntarily. After his Bora contract was up, he wasn't going to get another million and a half euro contract, and the idea of signing to a team like D tier team like Qubecka for 200,000 euros was too much of an ego blow, so better to retire with a few million in the bank.
Pete was a superb junior and under 23, and his achievements at senior level were also pretty special (Olympics Golds anyone?). UK and IoM club cyclists certainly haven’t forgotten him. But there was a pretty obvious problem to anyone who knew him…. his body weight and body image. He became seriously underweight at Team Sky / British Cycling. Shockingly so. No wonder he burned out. There is a high correlation between anorexia / bulimia and anxiety / depression / suicide (Pete was suicidally depressed in the weeks prior to his retirement) and the direction of causation is not necessarily from mind to food. It works the other way around as way. Starve an athlete and you are putting all areas of their health at risk.
Story on Jonathan Tiernan-Locke would be good
A friend of mine in Plymouth went on a few dates with JTL fairly recently. Still claims to have done nothing wrong and was booted from Sky unfairly.
@@StopTheRot He's a donkey drug cheat, tell him I told you that.
Perhaps his honesty and integrity wouldn't allow him to follow Brailsfords 'program' to the letter.🤔
I love your turn of phrase "access to marginal gains". I imagine there are some riders who aren't comfortable with the cheating and subterfuge and there is of course the possibility that a body does not respond well to accessing marginal gains. Then there is the aspect of intrigue, politics and petty jealousy. Cyclng is a little bit like a historical drama with kings, nobility, knights and foot soldiers and inevitably a lot of stabbings ( some of those stabbings being hypodermic in nature ).
@davidoffon I only raced as a Junior back in the early 80s. I can remember some of my mates talking about taking Benadryl of all things as some kind of means of getting an edge along with cough medicine and asthma inhalers and getting the idea that among the more "dedicated" participants, a little chemical help was certainly on the table as an option. I do remember one lad in particular, Joey McLoughlin of Liverpool Mercury ( this was Merseyside ), a nephew of Phil Thomas a very prominent pro on the UK scene, suddenly started putting in amazing performances at the same time as he developed some odd facial tics. I think he was so clearly "on something" that he was eventually sanctioned. Just googled him - short pro career with a lot of injuries. I think we can probably agree that it's a fabulous past time and awful sport even though I do love to follow it.
It's a game of thrones, where you never know who survives the episode.
That's why I compare pro-cycling to pro-wrestling at least in the latters heyday before the loss of 'kayfabe'. Both are/were totally 'fake' spectacles, but the real drama, the 'reality' of the whole thing was backstage with the fall-outs, the intrigue, the politics, the back-stabbing, etc. I still think pro-cycling is full of crap even if the 'turbo' peds have been eliminated.
Absolutely fascinating. I watched that stage live and remember it well. I didn’t remember that he wasn’t picked for the Tour. Something very strange happened, clearly. Funny that Ben Swift finished second that for pretty much his only decent ride at UAE…. A very suspicious tale. Great work
Froome's best teammate? Porte, Thomas, Poels, Puccio or Kwiatkowski were all much more instrumental in any of Froome's wins.
A few weeks ago I was just thinking about him and how great he was! Olympic gold as a track rider, winner of mountain stages, just incredible.
Yeah like Wiggins and Thomas, it's called doping
@@hugo587 They've all been doping since Fausto Coppi was around - them getting caught is just part of the fun of following cycling. Anyone who is surprised was born yesterday and anyone whose channel is called 'cycling stories' when it's only about doped cyclists is just taking advantage of other people's naivety.
@@TheHaining what's thee difference between naivety and honesty?
@@TheHaining How come only British track stars manage to become stellar climbers on the road? Very strange if you ask me.
Sky has to be the most honest team ever assembled in sport. In fact, their boss, whose history is in sales, has said this himself, so it must be true. I just love the intense and aggressive honesty that people like Sky offer. Like US Postal and Festina, their commitment to integrity is a credit to cycling and sport in general. Thank you Sky, we love you.
Big up manlike Renata.
you said it, Sky.........like US Postal and Festina. (wink, wink)
I am honest:
Normally I got a really got spongelike brain when its about cycling. I remember things like Julio Alberto Perez Cuapio poking Gilberto Simoni on a Giro-Climb, or that Petacchi broke his hand on the team bus at the vuelta, because he was angry to not win a stage.
But i totally forgot that Peter Kennaugh was a thing back in the days
He was a great rider / is a great rider . Maybe it’s too late for him in terms of returning to the pro peleton , but I hope he can solve his own inner demons .
Kennaugh could be G Thomas but something dark appeared in his road
I rode a few times with PK.
Friendly dude and made for cycling.
The issue is just some riders get too lean and serotonin can get too low. One really has to ensure enough daily sugars or the low serotonin will just kill your motivation no matter how talented or who you know etc.
Nigel Mitchell was there nutritionist at the time and whilst he is a good hearted guy he is mad sugar phobic and that will destroy a riders performance if they listen to him.
Ive worked with countless WT riders now and they all tell me I prescribe them the most sugars and they also perform their best or feel their best.
Excellent points
Sugar is food.
Today is also Hard to understand.
Similar than Kittel
Excellent story. Thoroughly researched and well presented. This channel is a treasure.
Love your videos man. Keep them coming. There's no mystery here.
There were rumours abound Pete K wasn’t at all liked by the peloton, considered a spoilt brat. Would be interesting to hear an in-depth, honest interview with Pete.
He had a reputation for being an arrogant prick, and things like the way he treated Rasmussen for suggesting Geraint Thomas outclimbing Nairo Quintana was questionable (spoiler: he was right - no matter how disreputable Rasmussen may be, his point was legit) and the way he belittled Emma Pooley and ranted about nobody caring about women's cycling kind of suggest that he got that reputation for a reason.
Afraid you'd have to wait for some genuine disgrace to hit British cycling to get a real in-depth, honest interview that would really go some way to explaining how things went awry for Pete though, far too many of the 'old boys' who were invested in the success of BC are in the cycling media so are invested in not uncovering any dirty laundry that isn't already known about,.
Name some people who didn't like him ? I would be interested
It's true, but that's not the reason he was dropped. If brailsford thought he could help froome he would have went to the tour, spoiled brat or not
@davidoffon You have a chip on your shoulder and a white saviour complex. The poorest and least accessible to education, sports like cycling etc, are white boys. This is a fact. They are neglected, have no special programmes because pricks like you don't get dopamine hits from helping them because they are white, not some other race that you can pat yourself on the back for helping.
Sounds more like a lack of media training than being a ‘spiked brat’. If you heard the riders talk among themselves you’d be surprised that they are very different to how they appear in front of the camera. Same reason young riders often give more interesting interviews, then after they’ve been in the peloton for a few years they sound like politicians. People don’t want you to be honest and be yourself, they want you to talk in emoty feel good cliches.
David Veilleux, wins a stage of the Dauphine, the Boucle Mayonne, rides his first Tour, making some breakaways...then promptly retires at 26. Francois Parisien wins a World Tour stage...then retires. Both in 2013. Both from Quebec.....if nothing else, really odd.
Vellueux became an engineer for a Quebec bike company... (think it's argon 18) Parisien was kind of old.
@@goldenretriever6261 I have bad news for you... An engineering career doesnt pay anywhere near being on a top team... so thats not a good enough motif on my view, so probably something to do with doping...
The best cycling channel since UA-cam.
Great video !! Great insight to Peter's career!! Pity about it's ending!! Hope he's happy now though!! But ya do wonder what actually went on at Sky behind closed doors 🤔😒
He was on the gear. Read between the lines
Well SOMETHING went on at Sky behind closed doors......
Today i didn't know if this guy was a climber, a rouleur, a puncheur... he was growing up in Sky team and one day diseappeared
LOL the marginal gains and the star climber straight off the track. Good onya lads, what a great Cycling Story. Loved the mention of Saint Dave and his association with David Millar. Say no more.
Recall reading that Millar was being courted by Brailsford for SKY, co-incidentally his sister Fran was working for them also. Brailsford was one of the few people who 'stuck by' Millar possibly for the latter reason? I read Nicole Cooke's memoir where she also mentions the Brailsford/Millar connection in terms of Brailsford's sexist and dismissive attitude to women cycling syphoning money to the mens teams at BC. She unlike Brailsford had unsurprisingly zero sympathy for Millar.
@@bitchoflivingblah Brailsfraud was likely to have been unable to Dump DAVE Down the U bend even if he want to!!
History will not be kind to Sky Pro Cycling.
And when history is not kind, people who were present (with or without titles) will swear they knew nothing and had no idea anf weren't told.
And we will smile.
I love cycling as a sport, but it has always been a bit dodgy and this mob were among the dodgiest.
Hate to say this about the sport that drugs especially the mixing of drugs in races can create strange mental behavior and physical damage. I knew an unscrupulous coach that experimented with PEDS on his riders. One died.
This is a frekin STRANGE story
Way to go buddy!
Marginal gains 😂😂😂😂
Not everyone is cut out for a long career in sport
Indeed, any sport at a high level requires considerable mental robustness. Few of us have it, although coaching can help develop whayt we have.
he got to close to the sun that day
He had a moment of clarity. He realised that marginal gains was a scam.
Talent wise Kennaugh was clearly ahead of all the other Brits of his era, great u23 rider on both of the road (3rd in the 2009 u23 Giro and multiple one day race wins in Italy) and the track.
Kennaugh got involved in some proxy wars on social media and he always enjoyed a drink or two and even liked to smoke when partying. Besides his mental health related problems (or maybe also because of them) he always seemed a bit of a loose cannon who couldn't be fully trusted.
My brother has been a good racer, spending twenty years of his life riding and training hard day by day. And he never ever broke the smallest rule, not even once: when people around used to tell him he had to "help" himself with some "new medical aid", he replied he'd rather quit cycling or be considered a looser, instead of cheating anyone. His name? G. P.
Giant Penis?
Let me guess... did he end his career at Cantina Tollo?
What is a "looser ?"
@@peterwest5525 I guess it should have been 'loser'. Not everyone is a native English speaker here.
@@GFSagredo You are correct, in this case.
But, unfortunately, more and more English people are writing "looser" instead of "loser."
It really annoys me.
Sky has a lot of broken toys
Wiggins
Kennaugh
Intxausti
Kyrienka
Lee Augustin
Legendary team
Lets be honest: Wiggins was not a broken toy in my eyes. He dominated the Tour 2012 and then fades away silent.
Edmonson
@@FrittenFriseurLPs Dope once and get out, that's how the smart one's do it
@@FrittenFriseurLPs Wiggins didn’t dominate the 2012 tour. Froome would have smoked him if he was was allowed to race him.
@@marcelboogaard3809 yeah but He wasnt so Wiggins has dominated.
Not sure I understand the point of your channel other than to subtly suggest anyone who ever won a bike race was doping?
It is entertainment, a bit of history and some context about the results. A lot of cycling fans, actually believe that professional athletes are achieving these feats solely on bread and water. In the 1990s magazines like cycle sport used to write clap trap articles about femur length being instrumental to be a top class rider. It was of course just nonsense rather like the "marginal gains" clap trap that team sky spouted. But of course the new fans of cycling lapped it up.
Do a story on Sagan. Is he a has been?
Bora weren't providing "marginal gains" it seems
A good shower is not enough these days.
I still don't understand what happened with König...
I can't work out whether or not you are suggesting these marginal gains are a bit dodgy. What is the question no living being dare ask?
“Disowned, forgotten man” that’s utter nonsense. He left the sport riding for one of the best teams on the planet.
Yes, as múltiple riders you didn't remember
I'm not convinced about the mental health concerns of Pete or indeed of Marcel Kittle. I feel it's being used as a shield and of course it's the type of thing many would never question as they think, why would anyone use a cover like that unless it was true.
I think Brailsford paid a lot to this Pete for Being shut up about UK Postal years
Yeah he's the Les Grossman of team GB bribe em with a G5 airplane and lots of money, Player, Player.
WTF is that about 7 mins in !???
Jon UK
You mean Sir Dave Brailsfraud
I am starting to wonder if I should not start taking some of those marginal gains for my Sunday rides.
Everybody else is doing it, so why can't you.
@@jnavonoD because of…. Lots of reasons.
@@jean-jacqueslavigne3109 no look I agree; all the blokes I was racing back in the day were on the juice...
@@jnavonoD their call. I hope you still enjoy your cycling and got a few wins in the bag, nonetheless.
@@jean-jacqueslavigne3109 Thanks mate - enjoyed, and yes went OK but never at a pas normal level haha.
I sometimes wonder if it would have just been better for marginal gains to be allowed. It perhaps would have been healthier for the riders to be allowed to take them and not have to cover it up. By now it's been happening for at least 23 years that we all know of in the Armstrong days and let's be honest it was happening way before that. How much knowledge would we have gained about improving performance through certain substances. We would know if taking substances has a negative effect on health etc. But it is what it is I suppose
Ben, Not sure if you're familiar with Tommy Simpson? He died from Heart failure ascending Mont Ventoux in 1967!! his Autopsy revealed he had Amphetamines (also known as speed, I take it by prescription for ADHD) Alcohol, and diuretics, the hot weather and the fact he had Diarrhoea (He actually didn't feel well enough to race that day but was "persuaded" to do so by the TM) but it was commonly used then as doping of late. They even found packets of Amphets in his room AND his jersey.
It's both really interesting watching these Doping "Reveals" lol, but at the same time learning the truth about the unbelievable achievements of my past Inspirations turns out to be exactly that UNBELIEVABLE 😏
@Ben Cycling is about as clean as a bodybuilder on synth oil. I just take it as a given, that what I'm seeing isn't real, but you're right it would be interesting just to make it legal. See what people are taking and what the negative affects are. The same with runners they all on the gear, just need some transparency.
It is allowed, it’s just another story has to be presented to the mainstream audience
Brailsford is the English equivalent of Riis as a manager. Or Saniz, or Lefevere, or Ochowitz or Bruynell. . . . . and on and on and on.
He was good looking.
Content is good, the hold music gets a bit annoying after 8 mins of looping
Maybe he can The Pogues to score it
A new tactic that would change the world....motors
Before getting caught
Point of accuracy: David Millar didn't test positive. He was arrested and charged by French police, and was banned from cycling after his guilty plea and conviction.
Convicted of marginal gains?
Basically Thomas become a tour winner after this Peter was being groomed for that spot since Thomas failed in giro but then he decided to leave
A non story without facts .
Yeah, very usual winning a difficult stage in Dauphiné to dissapear later.
Padun did it too.
@@cyclingstories Padun was good in La Vuelta and he might have kept up his form if he was selected at the Tour de France, Hindley was terrible throughout 2021 and we all questioned whether he was a one timer but hes up there in the Giro at the moment.
If you have something to say, just say it Paddy, dont dance around the issue.
Sky have to said it not us
Too many unsubstatiated allegations and snide asides for me. "Junkie"? Back that up.
Back dat ass up.
This is a nothing burger 🍔 there isn't even any specific allegations
You got anything positive to say about anyone?
You're pretty
Google Bahrain victorious wins in 2021. A pure sprinter out climbing in the Tdf
ITS 3 GIRO D'ITALIA NOT 2
Brailsford is not a coach
Team manager
"Previously unknown climber"- Lol Kennaugh finished 3rd overall in the u23 giro (behind a certain Richie Porte) AND finished 4th in the u23 world road race the year before turning pro with sky. This Irish guy is clueless 🤦♂️🤡
But, at least, no Irish rider ever doped !
@@peterwest5525 haha! Ain't that the truth
He also lapped the riders in a junior worlds on the track, winning gold. He was wild when he took off.
Lots of innuendo but no substantive evidence. I wonder how much of the truth will ever be known.
Well, we got pretty close to the bottom of Armstrong and he turned out to be an arch arse!!
Burnout
Without drugs that team is nothing!
I like your content but i feel like this one was full of unsubstantiated digs on someone who we have to take at face value as struggling with mental health.
Nah, it's digging on Sky, not Kennaugh
But where is Froome now. Dropped out of the Dauphinee before the real mountains?
Let's see...older and almost died when he hit a wall ..that will kind of put pay to any thoughts of winning again, no matter what you won before
Marginal gains = artificial enhancements ???
What's the point in making things like this if they're devoid of any information but steeped in baseless euphemism about perceived doping?
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Eventually the truth will emerge. Froome went from being a donkey to a 4 times TDF champion. People forget quickly. Marginal gains aka the best doping programme in modern cycling.
actually he went from donkey to at least second in any the GT he finished until his crash during TT recon, after his recovery he went straight back to his pre-sky level. Team Sky and British Cycle announced a program to win a TdF within 5 years, they happen to turn Wiggins into a winner a found accidentaly the best GC rider of the decade in the span of 3 years... Suspicious. Half of the descent british riders have won a GT over the last 10 years. Neither Belgium, Italy, Spain nor France can tell much since cycling went international.
@@simonrano8072 Well done on completely overlooking Wiggins achievements before his TdF win, the development and vast amounts of money that was pumped into GB Cycling and Team Sky for over a decade and also all the brilliant continental European riders who have taken many victories throughout this period
@@livingthroughtv like a single top 10 finish on a TdF with a lot of TT ? 2012 had a custom course for him because UK bought a Grand Depart with millions for 2014. And still he kept hi flat TT power loosing 15 lbs, had a lot of TUE and the suspicious package case... there is also the famous special training sessions for brits nationals and Porte only at Sky... not to mention froome TUEs, Salbutamol abuse, doping products delivered to BC HQs, the fact that UK riders dominated GT in the 2010q like even Spanish riders nevered dreamed of when massively blood doping, the fact that UK had an unreal progression in endurance sport for the 12 olympics, Mo Farah s coach is banned for life, UK with Coe led the charge against Russia doping program, yet they lost against "clean" Brirish athletes before the ban took effect... shall I continue ?
@@simonrano8072 Oh god, I can't believe the fucking internet truthers have begun bothering sport of all things with their "talents". Never mind carrying on, give it a rest and find a hobby and some solitude, Si.
I don’t think Froome was ever a donkey. His post-crash for is not surprising given the severity of his injuries and his natural ageing. Sadly that happens to everyone.
Is it possible to win a stage of the TdF without doping?
No.
Probably