I agree, Churchill was the greatest. He also had to worry about a postwar Europe and what that would look like. Very smart man. He was an example of a guy who was not an academic genius in school but was an brilliant politician and courageous. Very interesting discussion. Thanks.
This days the word hate gets misused a lot and we all have fall into misusing this word. I always tell to my grown children not to say the word hate when they dislike or disagree with something or someone but I know they don’t really mean it that way.
Bishop, you once started a talk with " I really hate liberals " the word hate very disturbing. I suggest you find the good in them and talk about that also since they are the majority. I don't disagree with you but when one side demonizes the other we end up with the division we now have. You now have a minority disguised in religion who want to overthrow democracy . I'm referring to some rich and powerful who could care less about religion.
I've never heard him say "I hate liberals." I have heard that both far right and far left Catholics get frustrated by him. So I'd be really interested in the setting and context of your quote. Really surprising and doesn't fit everything I've heard him say
I question whether "democracy" is the right word for the political system under discussion here. In economics, the Church criticizes the problematic idolization of economic value implied by the word "capitalism" while singing the praises of properly free markets insofar as they uphold the legitimate but limited good of personal property. Likewise, it seems worthwhile to criticize the problematic idolization of the desire of the majority implied by the word "democracy" while singing the praises of political systems which seek to hold political figures accountable to the people whose good they're been chosen to serve. The American founders' solution to the need for accountability was something like representative schizocracy -- multiple competitive branches (executive, legislative, judicial) seeking to maintain their own interests, across multiple competitive scales (federal, state, local), all ultimately bound by the consent of the governed through democratic elections. But I'd argue that it's "consensual governance" that's most analogous to "free markets," and therefore should be substituted in for the word "democracy" when speaking of the positive side of politics-by-election. (Swapping out the phrase "consensual governance" for the word "democracy" also has the benefit of making it blindingly obvious that it's impossible to impose the intended form of governance from the outside without both broad acceptance and the willingness to suppress any voice seeking to undermine that acceptance. It may have been easy for an American politician in the mid-'00s to be optimistic about his chances of making Iraq a democracy, but I doubt anyone would be able to say with a straight face that he intended to bring about consensual governance in Iraq!)
1. Joe : When it comes my turn, will you want me to go? Father : For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son. 2. Father : You're gonna make the world safe for democracy! Joe Age 10 : What is democracy? Father : Well it's never bright clear on myself. Like any other kind government it's got something to do with young men killing each other I believe.
The premise of the first questions is silly. Democracy doesn’t “work” more than everything else. It’s what we have. Power biblically comes from above. Catholicism will never entirely justify liberal government. (Which is not the way we should overthrow liberal government)
Should be # 1 Elevated to college of Cardinals is Dr Robert Barron of Word on Fire
So much contained in this discussion. A blessing
Great talk! Thank you
I agree, Churchill was the greatest. He also had to worry about a postwar Europe and what that would look like. Very smart man. He was an example of a guy who was not an academic genius in school but was an brilliant politician and courageous.
Very interesting discussion. Thanks.
I just listen … God Bless
The sound graph is kinda distracting.
Yes it is
I don't stare at the screen for an audio podcast, so it doesn't vex me
@@fragwagon Wow, thanks for the suggestion. Where would I be without such wisdom?
@ck1578 it wasn't a suggestion, it was a statement.
@@fragwagon Thank you for the clarification. Again, I am glad you are here. I'd be lost without you.
I pine for a Catholic Monastic Theocracy, you know, Heaven!
When I think of our current flawed leaders it makes me think of the book of Judges and the flawed leaders that were put in charge of the Israelites.
This days the word hate gets misused a lot and we all have fall into misusing this word.
I always tell to my grown children not to say the word hate when they dislike or disagree with something or someone but I know they don’t really mean it that way.
Bishop, you once started a talk with " I really hate liberals " the word hate very disturbing. I suggest you find the good in them and talk about that also since they are the majority. I don't disagree with you but when one side demonizes the other we end up with the division we now have. You now have a minority disguised in religion who want to overthrow democracy . I'm referring to some rich and powerful who could care less about religion.
Where did he say that? I've never heard him saying anything of the sorts, so I'm just curious.
Bishop Barron has never said he hated individuals. You’re just trying to diminish a good man.
I've never heard him say "I hate liberals." I have heard that both far right and far left Catholics get frustrated by him. So I'd be really interested in the setting and context of your quote. Really surprising and doesn't fit everything I've heard him say
I question whether "democracy" is the right word for the political system under discussion here.
In economics, the Church criticizes the problematic idolization of economic value implied by the word "capitalism" while singing the praises of properly free markets insofar as they uphold the legitimate but limited good of personal property.
Likewise, it seems worthwhile to criticize the problematic idolization of the desire of the majority implied by the word "democracy" while singing the praises of political systems which seek to hold political figures accountable to the people whose good they're been chosen to serve.
The American founders' solution to the need for accountability was something like representative schizocracy -- multiple competitive branches (executive, legislative, judicial) seeking to maintain their own interests, across multiple competitive scales (federal, state, local), all ultimately bound by the consent of the governed through democratic elections. But I'd argue that it's "consensual governance" that's most analogous to "free markets," and therefore should be substituted in for the word "democracy" when speaking of the positive side of politics-by-election.
(Swapping out the phrase "consensual governance" for the word "democracy" also has the benefit of making it blindingly obvious that it's impossible to impose the intended form of governance from the outside without both broad acceptance and the willingness to suppress any voice seeking to undermine that acceptance. It may have been easy for an American politician in the mid-'00s to be optimistic about his chances of making Iraq a democracy, but I doubt anyone would be able to say with a straight face that he intended to bring about consensual governance in Iraq!)
1.
Joe : When it comes my turn, will you want me to go?
Father : For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.
2.
Father : You're gonna make the world safe for democracy!
Joe Age 10 : What is democracy?
Father : Well it's never bright clear on myself. Like any other kind government it's got something to do with young men killing each other I believe.
The premise of the first questions is silly. Democracy doesn’t “work” more than everything else. It’s what we have. Power biblically comes from above. Catholicism will never entirely justify liberal government. (Which is not the way we should overthrow liberal government)