Remember when they reserved the whole area near Ghorrock/Trollweiss just for when this quest was eventually going to take place. When they planned out that one real story line.
Yeah that's really cool. 'The North' as in the plain near Ghorrock is mentioned as early as in Hazeel Cult (maybe even earlier). The face that RotM came out 10+ years after is amazing
Lucien is by far my favorite villian in Runecscape. He was a genuinley scary foe that seemed like serious threat and his lust for power an dominion felt real.
Agreed. They worked with the scale of the threat correctly, and after all of the years leading up to both While Guthix Sleeps and Ritual of the Mahjarrat it felt like a conclusion that would act as the crux of failure or victory.
OSRS players are going to be absolutely delighted when this eventually comes to their version of RuneScape. So many references to "The North" have been mentioned, and this was imo the greatest quest RS ever made. It was the perfect way to continue from WGS, and is a complete masterpiece.
Lucien may not have been a very complex character, but he was a BEAST. He was powerful, he was evil, and he was overwhelmingly terrifying. This is an awesome theme for an awesome villain. Rest in peace, Lucien.
The thing that made Lucien so dangerous is that he was ready to ascend to godhood WHILE the other gods were locked out by Guthix. This guy wouldn't have a single competitor had the dragonkin not swooped in.
Not only that, but I think at the time players underestimated how powerful the dragonkin were when they came in and took him out. Like, this is an entire race that received power at the same time as a False User did. Imagine how many gods individually ascended through the use of the stone, and the dragonkin received power from each and every one.
I recently finished this quest for the first time. While doing the cape there is a moment where the player and npcs contemplate why he hasn't ascended to godhood yet. This made me think he knew he shouldn't I thought he was aware of the edict of guthix he knew that if he would ascend he'd be flung out of the world. He straight up calls himself a god, he shows that he has at least some related power to a god. But he isn't ever made into a god. I wonder if that was intentional-- Like if the act of actually ascending would throw him somewhere random. I still wonder what would have happened if he actually did ascend, would he be subject to the edict?
@@Talakai_ So, the edicts keep Gods out, but we learn that Guthix had to separately go to each God one by one to boot them from Gielinor. I forget where but that is a thing we learn about, and how it went down with various different Gods -- Seren, V, Bandos, etc. I imagine that, had Lucien ascended, he'd have been fine... until Guthix felt it and was like "Pshh, fuck around find out lil bitch!" and flicked him off Gielinor lol
@@JerkWarlord Thank you for that explanation, I wish you could source it but I understand and can see how it works. Seren herself split up so she wouldn't be cast out so I'm sure there is some truth or loophole, ultimately however it would have depended on how the writers felt like going. I'm just confused on -why- he didn't ascend to godhood. I know it's good an all to say he didn't have all the prerequisites but I had just recently played the quest and as an avid writer myself I felt like there was intentional context clues to imply he chose not to ascend just yet. But I mean, we all have our own headcannons. It's just to Jagex to decide what's true, what isn't and what gets retconned later. HA!
@@Talakai_ If it helps I'm fairly confident it was in a quest and it took place at the Memorial to Guthix above the Hall of Memories. My gut says Azzanadra's Quest. As far as why Lucien didn't fully ascend, I agree I think it could be better explained but if I had to guess he was probably waiting to get the powerup from the ritual beforehand. Chances are more likely than not that he'd have known that once he "ascended" Guthix'd wake up all with a bee in his bonnet about him, so in Lucien's mind it would've been in his favor to ascend strategically. Note that once Zamorak ascended he never had to attend another ritual again, he was freed from them. It's possible he was freed from them but also wouldn't benefit from them, either; Admittedly that's unknown. But let's say that's the case, well, then it's in Lucien's best interests to ascend *after* the ritual. Ascend before and he misses out on the power from the ritual, winding up a weaker God than he would've if he ascended afterwards. And as little respect as I'm sure a little bitch like Lucien would've had for a guy like Guthix I'm pretty sure he also was smart enough to know that he shouldn't underestimate a dude who single-handedly yeeted all the other Gods off the fucking planet lol. Ergo, in Lucien's best interests to ascend after the ritual, not before. Shame buddy just didn't account for the Kin, hah! So anyways. It's either that or the much more boring explanation that he just couldn't have ascended any quicker than he ultimately would've had the Kin not kerplunked the guy permanently. Ascension is also about just spending a lot of time around Elder Artefacts, maybe all that was missing for the guy was just more time that he didn't get.
Sliske seems more clever, but Lucien was more badass. He roflstomped anyone who got in his way, and the only time we see an opponent last against him was in RoT, but he was still winning. The Dragonkin only defeated him because he was wounded and they outnumbered him.
Connor Stevens Getting hit by Azzanadra full-force won't hurt? He sustained 13,000 damage and you saw his health bar was under 40%. The other Majarrat were against him as well.
@@CoffeeSuccubus Mahjarrat and Myreque’s storylines were definitely the most consistently deep quests. The God quests went slightly off track imo, and traded out deep lore for spelling everything out to you and leaving no “behind the scenes” stuff to find. I was thoroughly pleased to see that even though Lord of Vampyrium and River of Blood came out during the time of the God quests, it still maintained that deep sense of lore.
*"YOU DARE ATTACK A GOD?!"* No one, before or after, has managed to top Lucien's evil The Dragonkin are neither good nor evil, Sliske laughs in the face of morality and the Elder Gods simply... exist
Yeah I feel like dying so close to the ritual stone, they could have just.. absorbed him. I haven't seen any indication in text or cut scene that the stone only activates and then goes dormant until the next ritual. If that were the case I feel like we would have seem some sort of glowing on the stone that dimmed or a magical circle that faded. I believe that the ritual occurrence is more set in tradition or maybe perhaps more as a sort of Majarrat sport. Dying so close to the ritual stone, and knowing how powerful he was Why did the few remaining not just absorb him as well? You know the trope in games if you don't see a body it's not dead. And i think with majarrat, it's more If you don't see them destroyed they're not dead. I mean I know zarros was a god, but look what he got away with when he was literally slain by surprise.
Lucien is still the penultimate antagonist in my books. :) No one's been able to be as cool as him, not even Sliske yet. Sliske is a sly douche, but Lucien just didn't give a crap. xD Like a boss.
aint no way ur a father with a pfp like that, on top of naming him after a video game character... i see a bad future for this kid with someone like you as a parent
I know this is super old now, but do you think you could capture the unlisted eerie music that plays when you're moving from tree to tree towards the dragonkin on Mos Le'Harmless?
did they update any other songs from this quest series? such as temple desecrated, one of my favorites apparently updated, was written in patch notes that it was.
I know that the second part is based on the Temple Desecrated, but from what is the intro? It sounds like a Daemonheim song, but I don't know which one.
Actually, he is still powerful (to today's scale). If there were to *be* a boss like him, he would as powerful as Sliske. He only got killed due to the dragonkin gaining a ton of power (because he misused the stone of jas)
@@galewallblanco8184 And even then he managed to fight them off all by himself, until a third one sneaked up on him and stabbed him with the Staff of Armadyl.
Why are people always idolizing Villains?! I miss the days where people were glad they were stopped. Instead of this over-analyzing and rationalizing how they were a "Good Character" bullcrap nowadays.
Honestly. People are trying to sound smarter than they are by over-analyzing villains who were just evil to be fucking evil. There are waaaaaaaaaaay more interesting Mahjarrat than Lucien.
analizing villains is not the same thing as idolizing them. I think sliske is cool and he's always fun to read about but I dont *idolize* him 💀 there's people out there who probably feel the same about lucien.
I do in my opinion think it sounds much superior then the previous un-updated track. If you listen very carefully, you can heard newly added horns and trumpets that really make the song much greater, I think the echo added to the notes makes the piece feel much more alive and vibrant. Essentially, Life has been given to this track, with much more added to it. Breathing a new concept of what is and what was; this song was supposed to reveal. And I think it's brilliantly done, and done again with this change. It get's the emotion, the power the understanding of the character in the way it's been structured, and composed. Unbeatable, but also courageous in knowing what the soundtrack makes us feel and think.
![[ROTM] Ritual of the Mahjarrat - Cutscenes w/Sound](/img/n.gif)
Remember when they reserved the whole area near Ghorrock/Trollweiss just for when this quest was eventually going to take place. When they planned out that one real story line.
Yeah that's really cool. 'The North' as in the plain near Ghorrock is mentioned as early as in Hazeel Cult (maybe even earlier). The face that RotM came out 10+ years after is amazing
Lucien is by far my favorite villian in Runecscape. He was a genuinley scary foe that seemed like serious threat and his lust for power an dominion felt real.
this makes the dragonkin who kileld him so much scarier tho
Agreed. They worked with the scale of the threat correctly, and after all of the years leading up to both While Guthix Sleeps and Ritual of the Mahjarrat it felt like a conclusion that would act as the crux of failure or victory.
Whilst I didn't mind Lucien, he always felt like a discount/poor man's Zamorak to me.
kerapac scay? nope
lucien scary? yes
@@lockecole3726 nah he's way more evil than Zamorak
''No. There is more at stake here then you realise. It MUST be Lucien!''
"Lucien, you would betray me and let me be the one to die? You are not worthy to decide. Wahisietel was right - all on Lucien!"
OSRS players are going to be absolutely delighted when this eventually comes to their version of RuneScape. So many references to "The North" have been mentioned, and this was imo the greatest quest RS ever made. It was the perfect way to continue from WGS, and is a complete masterpiece.
i have a feeling the osrs version is going to be even more epic than ritual of mahjarrat
Lucien may not have been a very complex character, but he was a BEAST. He was powerful, he was evil, and he was overwhelmingly terrifying. This is an awesome theme for an awesome villain. Rest in peace, Lucien.
and he abused the stone of jas that led to his demise by the dragonkin....
He literally can't rest, peacefully or otherwise
A Mahjarrat's essence (for lack of a better term) disperses upon death
He's deader than dead
I wish I could fight the battle over and over again. I would replay it hundred times and won't get sick of it.
Definitely one of the best quests I've done, and with a great soundtrack to boot.
The thing that made Lucien so dangerous is that he was ready to ascend to godhood WHILE the other gods were locked out by Guthix. This guy wouldn't have a single competitor had the dragonkin not swooped in.
Not only that, but I think at the time players underestimated how powerful the dragonkin were when they came in and took him out. Like, this is an entire race that received power at the same time as a False User did. Imagine how many gods individually ascended through the use of the stone, and the dragonkin received power from each and every one.
I recently finished this quest for the first time. While doing the cape there is a moment where the player and npcs contemplate why he hasn't ascended to godhood yet. This made me think he knew he shouldn't I thought he was aware of the edict of guthix he knew that if he would ascend he'd be flung out of the world. He straight up calls himself a god, he shows that he has at least some related power to a god. But he isn't ever made into a god. I wonder if that was intentional-- Like if the act of actually ascending would throw him somewhere random. I still wonder what would have happened if he actually did ascend, would he be subject to the edict?
@@Talakai_ So, the edicts keep Gods out, but we learn that Guthix had to separately go to each God one by one to boot them from Gielinor. I forget where but that is a thing we learn about, and how it went down with various different Gods -- Seren, V, Bandos, etc. I imagine that, had Lucien ascended, he'd have been fine... until Guthix felt it and was like "Pshh, fuck around find out lil bitch!" and flicked him off Gielinor lol
@@JerkWarlord Thank you for that explanation, I wish you could source it but I understand and can see how it works. Seren herself split up so she wouldn't be cast out so I'm sure there is some truth or loophole, ultimately however it would have depended on how the writers felt like going. I'm just confused on -why- he didn't ascend to godhood. I know it's good an all to say he didn't have all the prerequisites but I had just recently played the quest and as an avid writer myself I felt like there was intentional context clues to imply he chose not to ascend just yet. But I mean, we all have our own headcannons. It's just to Jagex to decide what's true, what isn't and what gets retconned later. HA!
@@Talakai_ If it helps I'm fairly confident it was in a quest and it took place at the Memorial to Guthix above the Hall of Memories. My gut says Azzanadra's Quest.
As far as why Lucien didn't fully ascend, I agree I think it could be better explained but if I had to guess he was probably waiting to get the powerup from the ritual beforehand. Chances are more likely than not that he'd have known that once he "ascended" Guthix'd wake up all with a bee in his bonnet about him, so in Lucien's mind it would've been in his favor to ascend strategically.
Note that once Zamorak ascended he never had to attend another ritual again, he was freed from them. It's possible he was freed from them but also wouldn't benefit from them, either; Admittedly that's unknown. But let's say that's the case, well, then it's in Lucien's best interests to ascend *after* the ritual. Ascend before and he misses out on the power from the ritual, winding up a weaker God than he would've if he ascended afterwards.
And as little respect as I'm sure a little bitch like Lucien would've had for a guy like Guthix I'm pretty sure he also was smart enough to know that he shouldn't underestimate a dude who single-handedly yeeted all the other Gods off the fucking planet lol. Ergo, in Lucien's best interests to ascend after the ritual, not before.
Shame buddy just didn't account for the Kin, hah!
So anyways. It's either that or the much more boring explanation that he just couldn't have ascended any quicker than he ultimately would've had the Kin not kerplunked the guy permanently. Ascension is also about just spending a lot of time around Elder Artefacts, maybe all that was missing for the guy was just more time that he didn't get.
Casual reminder that Lucien is the one that bound Tormented Demons to his will.
Yeah... The guy's seriously powerful.
Nathan Jones I want some at my homestead
Nah mate. He just used switchscape to fight em and probably had tons of binding contracts. What a f'in cheater.
R.I.P Lucien. One of my favorite villains in the game.
Indeed!
But is he truly dead? Or did he ascend to godhood
Sliske seems more clever, but Lucien was more badass. He roflstomped anyone who got in his way,
and the only time we see an opponent last against him was in RoT, but he was still winning.
The Dragonkin only defeated him because he was wounded and they outnumbered him.
Angel of Death Light and Darkness They would have attack him regardless of him being wounded. He wasn't that well hindered anyway tbf.
Connor Stevens
Getting hit by Azzanadra full-force won't hurt? He sustained 13,000 damage and you saw his health bar was under 40%. The other Majarrat were against him as well.
Why does this song pump up my confidence
Perfect match between the song and the battle.
It's absolutely ludicrous just how MANY songs RuneScape has. And yet, they're all absolute bangers. Wild
I still think the quests WGS and ROTM just have the deepest storyline of all the quests.
Sliske's Endgame too. The 3 best quests in this game.
Myreque quests too
@@Morgoth__Bauglir nah lol
@@CoffeeSuccubus Mahjarrat and Myreque’s storylines were definitely the most consistently deep quests. The God quests went slightly off track imo, and traded out deep lore for spelling everything out to you and leaving no “behind the scenes” stuff to find. I was thoroughly pleased to see that even though Lord of Vampyrium and River of Blood came out during the time of the God quests, it still maintained that deep sense of lore.
Ahh yes, I wake up to Lucien's music every morning
2:58 - 3:26 is still best boss music to date out of any game.
haha you know what made this quest even more special? I did this when my cb was 109, which was the exact same as lucien's combat
haha fuck you and your haha
1jim3bob Haha
:P
haha
*"YOU DARE ATTACK A GOD?!"*
No one, before or after, has managed to top Lucien's evil
The Dragonkin are neither good nor evil, Sliske laughs in the face of morality and the Elder Gods simply... exist
lucien was just plain evil, sliske had character.
@@azzzanadraWhen Jas woke up she saw in Sliske the perfect dpshit to start another great conflict that would result in Bik's Great Revision.
@@Morgoth__Bauglir which makes him interesting.
What about Nomad or Drakan? They were pretty major villains themselves.
@@spookatzz you make a fair point, when you attack nomad you don't attack a god, you attack the constructor of a god.
God bless Bond.
I love the latest music tracks that have been coming out, but Adam’s era of 2008-2011 will always be untouchable imo.
I have a funny feeling that we will see him return soon...
Mahjarrat posses powers that mortals may consider... Unnatural.
I feel the same too, specially after the latest Zamorak escapade.
Yeah I feel like dying so close to the ritual stone, they could have just.. absorbed him. I haven't seen any indication in text or cut scene that the stone only activates and then goes dormant until the next ritual. If that were the case I feel like we would have seem some sort of glowing on the stone that dimmed or a magical circle that faded. I believe that the ritual occurrence is more set in tradition or maybe perhaps more as a sort of Majarrat sport. Dying so close to the ritual stone, and knowing how powerful he was Why did the few remaining not just absorb him as well?
You know the trope in games if you don't see a body it's not dead. And i think with majarrat, it's more If you don't see them destroyed they're not dead. I mean I know zarros was a god, but look what he got away with when he was literally slain by surprise.
IT'S A BANGER.
This should really just be the theme for the entire epic plot and adventure aspect of the whole game.
Well... Scape Main is woven into it, so it kind of is.
Lucien is still the penultimate antagonist in my books. :)
No one's been able to be as cool as him, not even Sliske yet.
Sliske is a sly douche, but Lucien just didn't give a crap. xD
Like a boss.
I named my son after him. Always been a fan of Lucien.
The name Lucien makes your son seem like a villain. Be careful with him around
@@hankukakohanminaolen7182 Lucien means light. I don't think he ever will turn in to a villain. :)
"Son you forgot to take the garbage out. Again."
"YOU DARE MOCK A GOD?!"
aint no way ur a father with a pfp like that, on top of naming him after a video game character... i see a bad future for this kid with someone like you as a parent
@@heftymagic4814 it’s not that deep, kiddo, calm down
If you have headphones, the right and left sides sound different. Try listening with one ear.
The in-game return of lucien has not yet been updated :(
Bond said on Twitter that hopefully it'd be in-game next week.
Yann i care not, i'm just happy to have a reworked version of this :'D
ROTM is my next favorite quest to children of mah
Yessss!! :DD
I know this is super old now, but do you think you could capture the unlisted eerie music that plays when you're moving from tree to tree towards the dragonkin on Mos Le'Harmless?
did they update any other songs from this quest series?
such as temple desecrated, one of my favorites apparently updated, was written in patch notes that it was.
I know that the second part is based on the Temple Desecrated, but from what is the intro? It sounds like a Daemonheim song, but I don't know which one.
Seems to be an arrangement of the Ritual of the Mahjarrat trailer music ua-cam.com/video/Ao8uSGb48QE/v-deo.html
kal ger
Kinda remember when Lucien seemed powerful. Now he's almost a joke
Actually, he is still powerful (to today's scale).
If there were to *be* a boss like him, he would as powerful as Sliske.
He only got killed due to the dragonkin gaining a ton of power (because he misused the stone of jas)
@@galewallblanco8184 And even then he managed to fight them off all by himself, until a third one sneaked up on him and stabbed him with the Staff of Armadyl.
1:00
Could you upload both of the Temple of Guthix tracks?
ua-cam.com/video/bhFzK69BdDw/v-deo.html Temple of Guthix I
ua-cam.com/video/eezGRcBYpaM/v-deo.html Temple of Guthix II
Holy crap, that was quick
10/10 best service since that one time I got my exact order from McDonalds 5 years ago.
can i have the picture?
it's based on this one, but i lost the modified one in the video:
runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:Battles_Are_Waged_splash.png
Lucien >>> Sliske xD
Sliske is just bored.
Lucien craves for power.
Choose which is better.
Combine the two
Matt K No
Is there even a difference between Lucien and Sliske...?
@@oskaradolfson7450 Ones powerhungry and the others a troll and is just bored. Also, an agent of Jas.
wait I thought Lucien died, dragonkin attack? Remember the term "false user"? what the heck is going on? #bigmiddlefinger
Yeah, he's dead as hell. Been dead for a few years now.
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Oh Jagex how could you ruin this wonderful game.. How I would love to go back pre eoc
Why are people always idolizing Villains?! I miss the days where people were glad they were stopped. Instead of this over-analyzing and rationalizing how they were a "Good Character" bullcrap nowadays.
Honestly. People are trying to sound smarter than they are by over-analyzing villains who were just evil to be fucking evil. There are waaaaaaaaaaay more interesting Mahjarrat than Lucien.
Yes! Thank you! It really is telling of the mentality of people who are always doing this.
analizing villains is not the same thing as idolizing them.
I think sliske is cool and he's always fun to read about but I dont *idolize* him 💀 there's people out there who probably feel the same about lucien.
ew, one of the best songs ever got ruined =c
shame temple desecrated got hit aswell
It hardly sounds different. The quality is markedly better, though.
You're kidding right. It sounds amazing
I do in my opinion think it sounds much superior then the previous un-updated track. If you listen very carefully, you can heard newly added horns and trumpets that really make the song much greater, I think the echo added to the notes makes the piece feel much more alive and vibrant.
Essentially, Life has been given to this track, with much more added to it. Breathing a new concept of what is and what was; this song was supposed to reveal. And I think it's brilliantly done, and done again with this change. It get's the emotion, the power the understanding of the character in the way it's been structured, and composed. Unbeatable, but also courageous in knowing what the soundtrack makes us feel and think.
Sanders MeGree exactly!
Achktung Swonsburger perhaps