Why do we hate Shadowdark
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
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“I’m not attacking her, I just don’t like the game!”
Admits he never read the game then spends half an hour talking about how “woke” she must be.
Thanks for saving me the time of watching this video. I'm annoyed I got clickbaited.
lol clearly didn't watch it all did you? The critique is fair Hell I haven't read any SD stuff due to it being 5E and clearly she has allies who claim to be on the " right side of history"
@@joecoo4615 cute try, sat through the entire thing before I commented; it was all personal grievances without any reference to the game at all besides art (which they said they didn’t like and make comments about ai art being valid) and layout (which they said anyone can learn). Incredibly petty video.
the vicious and unhinged attacks on critic makes me hate the game and those who love it. F.R.O
Lets face it she probably is and if not will happily pander along to the current agenda, for props.
I do agree, there is an unpleasant trend to treat criticism as attacks.
@@wardkerr2456 I blame social media. I blame almost everything on social media!
I think the differentiation is people that haven't read it are critical of it
@@TheRedRoomChannel They teach Alinsky's Rules for Radicals as standard fare in collages today. Its foundations are based on forwarding the one's point of view with bad faith tactics, just like the one I noted. The internet has simply facilitated this sort of behavior.
That's not a trend. That's always been the true.
I know next to nothing about Shadowdark. I applaud anyone who tries to put out a product because so few do. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and shouldn't be shutdown because they voice those opinions
It feels like she's just trying to do the same thing Piazo did. 🤔🤷🏿♀️
"So few do". ? There are a ton of RPGs not much different than this one. It's just another rules lite OSR style game. What makes this one so special?
I am so relieved to learn that Portuguese people like to complain. In my short stint as an exotic dancer and fado singer in a small bar, I used to hear bitter complaints all the time. Now, I know it wasn't that what I was doing was an affront to nature, but that the patrons were enjoying themselves. A weight has been lifted from my heart!
@@juddgoswick2024 Exactly! We always complain, even when we are happy. We always know bad times will come eventualy, so might as well start bitching about it even before things go south.
@@TheRedRoomChannel I'm getting tassels back out now!
My take was that Venger was simply complaining about trendiness in gaming, and he didn't invent the term he used. It wasn't directed at Kelsey specifically. But so many people are treating it like a sacred cow that can't be criticized. Some of that motivation comes, like you said, from people who have a vested interest in making things FOR Shadowdark. "Why are you shooting at the wheels of our bandwagon?!" I get it. But whatever you do should be able to withstand criticism, or else you fall into the "Words are Hurtful!" safe space cadet camp.
I bought Shadowdark. I even bought third-party things I may never use for it, unless I repurpose them for a different game. The aesthetic was really nice. The book was sturdy. I played it exactly once. It had some cool ideas. Some things were not implemented well. The lights-out mechanic gets old fast, with the conceit that no species can see in the dark, there's no real Light spell and carrying hooded lanterns is a hanging offense. (I'm oversimplifying.) That being said, it's still a valid framework to run a DnDish game. It benefited from good timing and a tidal wave of praise heaped on it before it was released. I must be strange, because I base my opinion on a crowdfunding project by what the creator tells me about it, not someone paying the bills with UA-cam clicks. I've bought some RPG industry equivalents of pet rocks before. Some were good. Some were not. This one fell under, "Pretty Cool But Not Something I'd Run Frequently." And I even invested in Mörk Borg, largely due to some stellar 3rd party content made for it. In that respect, Shadowdark and its creator have done a lot to encourage that sort of thing, so that's to be respected.
Fast-forwarding past who said what to whom afterward, all I'll say is the hobby, like the real world, is way too divisive over expressions of opinion. Tell a non-TTRPGer that some of the people you like got into a tiff over who does elves better and they'll say, "Jeez, you people really need to get lives." If anything, we should all reserve our ire for Wizards of the Coast. Their execs probably laugh whenever the people in the indie community have a feud. They know it's time not spent on dethroning them by making cool stuff.
I will say though that I have friends my age who are veterans of the hobby but still flock to certain things that get all the hype. They wouldn't know a Pundit or many other people from a hole in the wall if I didn't say, "Hey! Check out this thing!" I think what we really need is better sources of game representation that go beyond a guy reviewing advance copies he would never pay for otherwise and paid ads that some indie creators just can't afford. Even the crowdfunding sites themselves will highlight something or boost it, ensuring equally worthy projects don't find the same audience.
I don't begrudge Shadowdark from getting attention, but honestly it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread and didn't reinvent the wheel. And ENnies? ENnies have zero legitimacy, just like the Nobel prize or Oscars these days. Many fantastic games will never, ever see one. It's nice to see someone get recognized, but it's cheapened when many aren't considered or can't fairly compete. It's like a dude winning a gold medal in women's Olympic boxing..
Any indie creators who put themselves out there but may not be the cool kid on the block or flavor of the week should be allowed to vent a bit. It takes a lot to put yourself out there and follow your vision. Sometimes it pays off. Sometimes you crash and burn. But the people buying need to make lnformed choices not based on hype alone and see what's out there, otherwise they'll think things like Candela Obscura are awesome.. 😬 Man, even the TITLE didn't make sense.
Maybe Venger should have called it, "The Candela Obscuring of the hobby."
I believe Venger himself said that he picked Shadowdark because it's the latest in those hype-fuelled games. Shadowdarking is probably a better term than Mork Borging.
Shadowdarking is a combination of being shadowbanned, and ignored by influencers, for not being a left-wing woke, and competing against people who are being favored by multiple algorythms, and influencers. A lethal combo.
This HAS to be said: The curve at the edge of the camera lens makes the mic look really phallic.
@@dane3038 Yes, it does!
"But she's so nice!" and if we watched the same video - "I initially didn't like it but now that she's famous I will take another look to find arguments to like it".
Props on the site - looks a lot better than before!
@@IM-Silviu Thanks! I don't like to make many changes as I'm afraid to break something. But it needed some improvements.
The consumerist aspect of this hobby is something very repulsive to me. You can put the best rpg out there for free as an SRD and no one will care but if you manage to put out some mediocre slop with an hard cover and good design everyone will buy it just to say they own it. Coffee table books masquerading as games.
True. There have many cases like that. And some of those coffee table books don't even look that good,
Facts! Many creators make games to be bought first and played maybe. I've watched the OSR community get excited for so many new " this is it games " just to move on to the next " this is it game " as soon as sales start to fall. Don't trust any RPG influencer. It's 90% an industry level con. If you pay very close attention, you will notice that most RPG UA-camrs actually tell you very little about the game they're reviewing. It's a sales pitch and great salesmen sell a feeling.
Hate is such a strong word for a product that was made with good intentions.
It's a joke about the Twitter/ X drama, really. We hate simps, not the game.
@@TheRedRoomChannel oh ok lol
@@TheRedRoomChannel
Blaming "simps" for dissing a successful game launch that you haven't even read is kinda lame.
I'm sure yer game is just swell.
And the Shadowdark creators aren't whining about people being interested in it
or spending money on it.
Sounds like mean spirited sour grapes to me.
Don't complain about Shadowdark.
Get yer gme into the hands of the dungeon-tubers who expose large audience to independent games.
have you ever heard of:
Bob world Builder
DungeonCraft
Questing Beast
They will gladly promote yer game if they like it.
@@vincejester7558 Dude our games were banned from Drivethru. We're toxic in every possible way.
@@TheRedRoomChannel
Just downloaded it.
Pretty good.
I wanna repeat: PRETTY GOOD.
I like the edgy attitude.
Was it banned for the T&A artwork?
If you want the kind of buzz Shadowdark gets,
and the attendant sales bump,
just drop the porn.
doesn't change yer game.
If you just like being edgy outsiders,
whining about the straights who succeed
destroys the image.
like complaining about not being hired for
that customer service job because of yer
egregious facial tattoos.
Wow! You read the Dragonlance novels and THEN you played D&D! You really are young... And btw I find nothing wrong with Shadowdark. It looks very much like Moldvay's D&D and I like that. We're homebrewing the hell out of it but that's how it is with us grognards (that's french - it means old farts or boomers).
I'm not that young, I'm 49. But I started later than most people, I guess. I was already 19 when I started.
Finally got to see this guys. Good and fair vid! I like shadow dark, and I've chatted to Kelsey on X and she's a nice girl. But as you rightly say, it's more about the annoying 5e toxic fan base.
Thank you for actually listening 😂❤
@@sclem82 To be fair, I thought you guys did a decent job at presenting your case. :) It's the woke shit-bags that escalate everything, and then it all gets blown out of proportion.
You may have some great opinions, I will never know because your sound quality drove me nuts.
Some other people have told me so, and I know we have lousy acoustics here, but I really don't find it worse than most channels about RPGs.
Why do you have an opinion of a game based on just the quick start rules?
That's unfair if someone judged your entire body of work based on your free shit you would probably think differently.
Also stop calling everything you don't like woke it's childlike behavior we have to be better than them not act like them.
@@Hydralykhow much of the video did you watch? Not enough, I guess because we explained we weren't really talking about the game.
@@TheRedRoomChannel I'm still watching it right now as I write this, that comment was a response from something in the first half of the video just because I disagree with your take doesn't mean I'll stop watching you
@@Hydralyk Ok. Well, then you'll eventualy notice we are basically criticizing the fans altitude.
@@TheRedRoomChannel see you say that at the end but the front half of the video is still targeted criticism while you say you never read the book just the quick start rules that's my point ,I truly do not care if it was good or sucked, but my grievance is you not even reading the actual book and making all these assumptions about it being too 5e and being too simple etc etc how do you know? You haven't read it so someone must've told you what to think instead of having your own opinion. I follow you because I want to see you succeed and I would never let someone judge red room without at least reading wretched otherwise their opinion is pointless .
@@Hydralyk I'm not sure what to answer this... We didn't really say it's too simple in a derrogatory way, we really don't care about the rules or whatever else. You are doing your own reading of what we said. We really don't care about the game itself, only what the fan's reaction was annoying. But if you already watched the whole video this answer is pointless... Well, we don't plan to discuss this again anyway.
You lost me when you started talking about how woke she is. The video started with you saying the author is conflated with the work, and ended with basically personal invective about the writer, when you could have easily stuck to just talking about the game. I don't like Shadowdark either, but I am not convinced this is just about the game.
It's not about the game, the Twitter/X drama has been largely about the weirdly amped up reaction of the fans to even the minor criticism and not about the game itself.
@@TheRedRoomChannel Sure, I don't know what the twitter drama is about, I'm not on that platform, but Shadowdark's writer isn't responsible for the reactions of her fans, so it was best not to say anything about her.
Literally watched this to learn anything about the game, came away dumber lol
@@KindlyCryptid You were stupid enough when you arrived. Maybe now they will give a job in the US gov.
@@TheRedRoomChannel cry harder snowflake! I didn’t care about Shadowdark before, but maybe I’ll buy it now lol
"It's not happening, and it’s good that it is." Lol, spot on!
Will ShadowDarking live on, like a meme? If so, then I'm honored to have birthed the word into being. *CHA'ALT*
Your exit will be remembered!
This is one of the things that really kills me. Before the kickstarter, we were told that everybody was talking about this game because it was just so awesome. Never mind that it was really convenient that so many people just out of the blue decided to start talking about it all at once. "Don't be a conspiracy theorist", etc. After the kickstarter, when people realized that these reviews and attention were pretty much paid for, we're now told that this is a good thing that a capitalism happened, and we should be happy for that?
@TheRedRoomChannel Spoiler alert... I've decided against leaving. You have the exclusive, hoss! Blog post coming later this afternoon.
The price point of Shadowdark is totally insane. Especially considering the windfall of crowdfund money.
True, $55 for a black and white 300-page book is absurd.
@@TheRedRoomChannelwith very large font
Its now $60 and its a smaller format book. It is A5 format that is half the size of a sheet of paper.
@@concernedearthling3353 The page content didn't seem enough for a US letter size. A5 makes more sense. But $60...Damn! I find print on demand books pricey, but for that amount you'll buy a 600-page full-colour book in pod.
But its the best ttrpg book ever made... it shoul cost a lot more.
Until you actually play Shadowdark, you cannot judge it clearly. It has a reputation as a dungeon crawling game, but I am in political campaign with a lot of overland travel, wars between armies, and now aerial combat. Most of your criticisms are just based on the game's reputation after people take a casual look at it. You can easily play any type of campaign you want with Shadowdark, just like in D&D or Pathfinder. The difference is the rules are smooth, uncluttered, well-organized and easy to understand. Combat is swift, not a slog like 5E D&D. A battle can be finished in minutes instead of hours. Only the core mechanic of rolling d20, using upward AC progression, and employing advantage and disadvantage were taken from 5E, it was just a skeleton that the rest of the game was built on. Kelsey Dionne has never made any political "woke" statements, and there is nothing political in the game at all. Any assumptions about her politics are based on her sexual preference and marital status, not on anything she has said or written. It is better organized, easier to run, easier to play, and more exciting to play than 5E. As far as being a professional game designer, Kelsey was designing adventures for several years before she even started working on Shadowdark. She was a player from the age of 12 and grew up around TSR staff. Her first DM worked at TSR for Gygax. Marketing? Her wife does marketing for a living. She paid for ONE review of Shadowdark by Questing Beast who charges for the time it takes to make a video on UA-cam to do a review. Professor Dungeon Master and other influencers who supported her did it because they liked her work. If you are mad because she is doing so well, hate the player, not the game...
We are actually judging the overreacting fans, not the game (yes, that's not title, but the title is a joke on the overreacting fans).
Really? What Mystical Force is going to stop that?
The opposing side loves to take liberties with the accusations.
@@calvanoni5443 It's always a personal attack on Kelsey.
I'm guessing the Shadow Dark developers don't frame it as "opposing sides"
That is a nonu-seful, toxic mindset.
The lead developer has stated repeatedly that it is all about growing the hobby at large.
@@vincejester7558 I don't know... I have the feeling you were may not yet have been the target of cancellation. At least in the RPG business. It's not a joke, it does happen. And then it becomes a war for those involved.
@@vincejester7558 I'm not referring to Kelsey, she's been nothing but Professional Plus
@@TheRedRoomChannel
But its not a war.
What good does all the hostility achieve?
In a war, there is some kind of win state.
I guess getting "hits" on a controversial you tube video
might make a few pennies,
but is that "winning"?
Yer game Wretched is good.
What do you have to do to get back on a more lucrative platform to sell yer stuff?
How can you tweak yer product in order to make it more marketable?
Or is it more satisfying to make pennies on outrage videos?
I got no dog in this race,
and would like to see yer game do well.
It has some interesting concepts and the artwork is
very evocative and well done.
But mopey videos like this aren't gonna
do any good if they don't sell product.
Numerically Shadowdark raised $1.3 million only because of the outstanding marketing video of the very cool artwork. Artwork sold Shadowdark, not the rules or Kelsey Dione. The Red Room may not like the art, but the majority of people do love the art. Take a look at all of the initial Kickstarter comments and every other person was raving about the artwork. Shadowdark is a testament to great marketing and art design. I can say as a professional typesetter, that the layout and typography was not great, but just simple, plain, and basic. And again... The Red Room may not like dungeon crawling, but you would be in the minority, because most do like that.
Yes, we aware we are a minority. Again, for us this is all about the fans simping, as we stated in the video. The rest is just filler.
@@TheRedRoomChannel I'm actually not defending Shadowdark or Kelsey, because she and I got into a pretty heated discussion over her arrogantly calling herself a professional game designer and acting like she created a whole system of RPG rules all by herself. Of course my point about her not creating or contributing anything original toward the RPG gaming space fell on her quite deaf ears. I do agree though, that her fans are oversensitive and overly protective of her because she is a female gamer and a wokeist. I have been attacked by Kelsey herself and her fanatic fans repeatedly for my views on her financial success. Unknown to Kelsey and her fans though, I make my living in the the world of fortune 500 corporate marketing and business support... so I know a little something about the power of marketing when employed correctly. Overall, my solid stance on RPG gaming is all about non-censorship and not allowing corporate greed and modern social politics to rule and dictate what I can and can't do in my own gaming sessions.
@@andynonimuss6298 That's interesting because until now most people have mentioned how nice she is. However from what I've seen on Twitter, in my opinion, she comes across as arrogant. I assume she treats her fans well, as long as they are praising her, creating that image of a pleasant person.
@@TheRedRoomChannel Yep, she plays the humble pleasant person very well, until you cross her.
My first comments about the game were on the line: it had a very strong marketing... nothing wrong with that but lets not pretend it did happen. Yhe answer was the game is amazing... it as nithong to do with marketing. Now people ar telling is you just need to learn with kelsey how to market a game. 😂
Yeah, been watching dozens of videos to find anything interesting or different about it. Even watched a live play. Seemed exactly like normal 5e game. Except lower hp. It's a small collection of house rules overinflated into "a new system". Happy for the creator. But, pet rocks were all the rage sometime in the past. So... anything can make money if marketed correctly.
Shadowdark is all marketing and very little substance.
If you are a 5e fan you will probably not like Shadowdark. It's more oldschool where your character is not very powerful. It's also trimmed down without all the feats and skills. If you like TTRPG on hardmode then you should try Shadowdark. Just make sure to roll up more than one character for when your first one dies.
these developers publish OSR material, I strongly disagree with their preference for AI art as even in their products it looks like instagram filter art over a photograph slop, but these are rpg game devs with their own indie systems, they don't need a very basic sales pitch of what old school roleplaying is.
I agree. Funny she brags about the layout because honestly the layout is one of the worst parts of the book. I bought the book along with Ben Milton’s Knave2e and honestly Ben’s book is clearly done better. Sure defenders of Kelsey will point out that she didn’t have professional publishers. But honestly the layout is amateur. And it shows. Looks like someone’s work from a Highschool course. The font choices are also terrible. It’s all over the map and inconsistent with a mix of gothic fonts, horror fonts and HELVETICA or some other sort of boring MS Word sans serif font. Shows its lack of professionalism. She does not deserve the Ennie for layout for sure. Shows the system is rigged.
I learned to do layouts by myself. It's not that hard. But besides the technical side, taste plays a big part in design work.
Hm. Being 5th ed is very off putting to me. I'd probably give it a chance otherwise, tbh.
Having played plenty of 5E, mostly in the 1st 5 or 6 years of the product, I can say they are not the same. You still have the roll over D20 mechanic but it resembles a basic/expert style of game more than anything. This is not an endorsement of Shadowdark, but, from a purely mechanics point of view you would definitely not have the same game experience as a 5E game. I'm actually unsure if it would even support long-term play RAW.
Ok, so you don´t like OSR-style gaming - so what´s the point of this whole video wasting your breath on. Either you enjoy a TTRPG or you don´t. Criticism should always be fact-based and comparing be made always on actual examples. I see your point but at the same time I got the impression that you both overreact, too. It is a simple game with advantages and disadvantages and the most important - IT IS JUST A GAME don´t see much sense with all this fuss about it for Christ sake...
Well, there was the Twitter/X drama that we mentioned in the beginning. That led us to do the video. The fuss was (is) going on no matter what.
The Ennies are, at best, a popularity contest. But besides that over the years there have been a number of scandals related to bad behavior from the judges, etc.
You're also right that certain people could never possibly win an Ennie now, excepting by pushing very hard on the one that is only by popular vote. The last person who won an Ennie was Zak S, and they made sure after that that it would never happen again.
The Ennies are a woke-powered popularity award. And an award that has zero bearing on if your game is good or bad. An Ennie is about as useful as a toilet brush when I need to brush my teeth... similar category wrong function.
I don't understand your last sentence. Pretty sure people have won Ennies after Zak.
Obviously not being able to sell at drive-thru is a disadvantage for you. But I'm curious to know, what is your best selling product? Because honestly I'm kind of surprised that you would not be at least somewhere close to my own level of sales.
It's hard to keep track of sales for individual items, as we are at 5 different stores (even though sales are minimal in most of those). Anyway, I can tell you that besides the core book, which has gone free about a year ago, and so has "sold" a lot, the best-seller is Wretched Bastards Second Edition (150 items sold at our store, maybe double that counting Lulu and the other places) followed by Space, Darkness and New Flesh with 120/ 130 each.
Pundit, you just gave me a great idea! I want to collect every RPG from creators who have been kicked of DTRPG! The Shelf of Many Shames.
People who are not afraid to curse or argue are generally honest and principled. Also, for the record, I am a bit evious of the Red Room for your ability to produce so much good content very quickly. Great video, I enjoyed listening to your perspective, and I wish you luck on future projects.
That's a silly thing to say.
People who are not afraid to curse and argue are just grumpy and rude.
liars and perverts can curse and argue.
the two groups of traits have nothing to do with each other.
@vincejester7558 my statement wasn't opinion, it has long been proven to be fact.
@@christophermiraglia
Yer gonna hafta show me the data that backs up that claim.
just calling yer own opinion a fact does not make it so.
Weasel words like "generally" do not make fact based evidence unnecessary.
actually, they indicate a statement of opinion rather than fact.
SD Got no particiuluar thoughts about it, other than its another Fantasy concept, she put a lot work into it, and good on her, if she paid folks for reviews fair do's..... Will I be buying it no it's V expensive due to all the black ink. Got lots of fantasy stuff cant warrant buying it and The way people have flocked to it, is all a bit Mork Borg. As for the quick start is pretty hefty it's more of a large Start. at just under 140 pages. Index Card RPG had done a great take on Rules and concepts, and it's affordability is agreeable . The Black Hack has all sorts of folks using that, and from what I've seen of Johnathan Rowe's offerings have been excellent. As for K.D being Woke More than likely. That's her purgative, but plenty of games are falling by the wayside due to the authors , Eenies are a joke anyway, it might help sales a bit, but the fact that it was on K.S made more of difference in profits. Interested if SD has longevity or if its just fad. Folks bought it because it mentioned 5E and OSR in the same breath. Again good on her.
I'm not sure anyone is really hating on the creator. I think we've been suspicious about the integrity of this side of the RPG Industry for a while, and 4 Eines for a game that is really nothing special confirms those suspicions.
IKR !
You need new microphones your audio sounds like a telephone
I think the major problem is the room's acoustics.
My take about the overly defensive fans: It sounds like the annoying blue-haired Sword Dream freaks finally found their corner of the OSR.
Personally, I like the old school type art. But the thing is, when I saw the Shadowdark KS my first thought was "I already have this". If you are a fan of DCC or OSE (I like OSE because Necrotic Gnome stays out of politics) you didn't need this. Oh well, I guess it's good that Stephan Poag keeps getting work.
Bottom line: These highly produced slick products that pop up seemingly out of nowhere seem more aimed at people who collect books rather than play the game. I'd rather keep supporting the product lines I've already been supporting, plus the non-woke indies like you and Pundit.
very good point. I have Warlock! and was not sure what Shadowdark would be bring more to the table. It is very likely a good game but maybe not one to replace my other OSR.
Very good point. If you have any OSR system, why do you need Shadowdark? I honestly don't see the point unless you collect books for art or tables.
This is not a defense of Shadowdark, but this was not a product that popped up out of nowhere. She's been writing content for 5E for years and built a WOTC fanbase who were her primary market for this game. It's clear if you have been aware of her gaming brand, The Arcane Lubrary, who this game was for. It may be a different style than the 5E crowd typically plays but that's mostly who bought it.
@@Big_Troublethere are plenty of games produced by people that have a foot in both camps that were/are pretty successful. A lot of those people are even very upfront about their politics. Or at the very least, it's pretty clear what side they're on. And I don't care about any of that. What bothers me, is being told that this thing was just being hyped up organically by our own community. And that is just such a good product, you really need to buy this one. This is the Magic Bullet for your osr needs. I don't need this product, and I just don't buy what they're selling.
@@Big_Trouble if that is so, I get it, though the hype is no less manufactured. I see people in OSR space hyping it up, as if it's something new and unique. But still, even having one of OSR systems (mind you, there are ones such as White Box that you can get physical for 1/3 of the price, or even free PDFs of some other) renders it unnecessary.
Right wing Portuguese ttrpgers. Now I've seen it all! Maybe people are thrown off by your neo-fascism. Did you ever consider that?
Lol! No, we aren't neo-fascists. But I can feel the smell of soy coming from you miles away.
@@TheRedRoomChannel well this told me all i need to know lol
@@dasme8210 Of course it did.
Unironically using the words woke and soy is a huge red flag that you don’t have much of an argument lol
Throwing around words like fascist is different how? I like shadowdark I don't agree with these guys on the video but bit of pot calling the kettle fashy here.
What the hell are you even talking about
@@TheDrewjameson who knows?
You're audio is still terrible
@@sketchasaurrex4087 I don't think it will improve unless we go back to the headset. The acoustics in the new apartament are bad.
"We don't like it because it's woke."
"There is nothing woke about this game or the author but EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S WOKE."
Guys... this is like McCarthyism but like, way, way stupider.
"If she wasn't an obvious leftist, they wouldn't have voted for it." - how is she an "obvious leftist"? Please show your work.
I've run stuff by Kelsey Dionne and there was no hint of any sort of ideology. Like, come on. I'm no fan of woke ideology. But this conversation is just embarrassing. Please grow up.
@@madjarov42 That's not what we said in the video. Yes, she is woke, but what annoys the shit out of me is you. Well, generic you, all the simps.
@@TheRedRoomChannel Those are all direct quotes from the video. Also... this is simping? Simping is when you like something?
@@madjarov42 No, I'm not sure if you are a simp. But you do seem too angry just because we did a video. Why is this bad? Do you feel that angry every time someone criticises something you like? I don't. People call me a Nazi and say awful things about our games and I'm sure I feel less angry about it than Shadowdark fans when someone says something about the game that isn't a glaring review.
... and though those are quotes the conclusion in the video wasn't about wokism, that was just a part of it. As far as we are concerned, the biggest problem with the game are overreacting fans
Auto play algorithm brought me here.
What a weird thing to whine about.
Jealousy's a very ugly emotion.
"They don't like simps. It must be jealousy!"