Is Bear Creek Arsenal garbage? Did they finally fix their .410 upper?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- This is my THIRD .410 upper from @Bear_Creek_Arsenal. The first 2 did not chamber or work and were returning using their warranty. Did they fix the issue on the third try?
Take a watch and find out if you think it’s worth spending your money at Bear Creek Arsenal. Their customer service is on point and they gave me 0 issues when it came to returning my upper for replacement and repair. This 3rd one was a “repair” but I believe it was a replacement. @Bear_Creek_Arsenal makes everything in house but for this upper specifically, I was told that BCA was waiting on a part to be received before they could finish the remaining returns.
The machine work on this upper is much nicer than the first two I received (check out my previous videos)
Thanks to @crankygunreviews for chatting with and brainstorming on how to fix their uppers! Be sure to subscribe to his channel!
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That's how you spell guage genius 😂
Guys, I found the guy who stamps the barrels “Guage” for BCA.
I’m guessing the position just needs a strong arm, GED not required.
That's literally not how you spell it. It's "gauge" not "guage"
@@tylerdixon3290 finally someone else! Thank you lol
Commiefornia needs to become Constitutionally compliant.
Absolutely! Lots of court cases currently in the works.
We the people need enforcement to force them to comply
Gotta get the commies out of the country first.
So does commierado. It does not stop until the people do something about it The fact that newsome is so delusional he thinks the people support him is insane. He is obviously installed. Him remaining in office after he was booted said it all that election was rigged
California compliance:
You can have firearms , they just can’t work 🤣
Hahahah
I own a .308 BCA upper paired with an Anderson lower with no issues I also own a BCA 300 blackout upper paired with a Anderson lower with no issue’s!!
That’s good! As has been posted before I think they have a like 1/3 to 1/4 chance of getting something that works from them on the first attempt.
Getting an upper that doesn’t have a hole for the gas system is a serious QA issue. Hopefully yours continue to work. I don’t think I’ll ever buy from them again.
They both make good equipment 👍🏽
So the BCA .308 matches up well with Anderson lower? I’ve heard they don’t match up with PSA lowers
I only had one issue with them regarding my 243 upper for my AR-10 that wasn't cycling. Turned out they never drilled a gas port in the barrel! Sent it in and promptly got a new upper that worked perfectly and was very accurate.
That’s annoying. I can’t believe they send guns and uppers out without test firing.
@@gunsforevery1...... Yeah, I know. Everything should be checked and tested before leaving the factory. Quality Control 101.
The Cali devices are not mis spec that b the problem all my bca rifles are great but I don't use ar shotguns . Get a rifle. And everything will be fine . Don't get special chambers from bca just the basics. 556 223wylde 7.62x39mm chambers like that
I have to make a new video, they feed and function fine.
I would agree that the compliant devices are not milspec but they also don’t affect the chambering of the round. They work perfectly fine with 9mm, 223, 300 blackout, and 308 (in my ar10).
I think it has more do to with the cartridge itself not being compatible with the AR platform.
I don’t think I would ever buy any other BCA upper for a few reasons. 1 being the shoddy experience I had from this one, and secondly, I’ve assembled like 7 of my uppers and only purchased 2. This was 1 of the 2 I purchased and it had some serious problems.
Every feeding issue I've had with BCA has actually been the magazine causing it. I switched to all Wilson combat mags and it fixed the problems. I've got 5 bca uppers
My main issue was the upper was not chambering. Check out my previous video.
@gunsforevery1 I understand that. But there's some weird reason with bca that if you have a mag that stacks different inside itself, it causes the bullet to not chamber straight and messes the whole process up. If you set a pmag, and a Wilson mag side by side and look at the insert you'll see what I'm talking about. It 100% fixed my issues and we did everything before, polished the feed ramps, tried different bcgs. And it ended up being the damn mag feeding the bullets that started the whole issue. 3 uppers in a row! 350 legend, 300aac. And 7.62x39
@@gpawoodyshoneyhole for a caliber that wasn’t designed to for the ar15 I would believe that 100%. I also know that some magazines are more (or less) reliable than others.
The feed direction of the follower shouldn’t matter with 5.56.
They sent me an upper with the bolt and charging handle , the bolt wouldn’t eject the eject pin was missing. I done with Bear Creek.
What I found out is the length of the shields so that's why I reload all of mine make a bullet beat shorter runs , fine then
Love my 7.62, I watched a lot of videos before deciding what to get, got a SS 5.56 too, I’d steer clear from what I’ve seen of 410 obviously, 22 mag, 243, 300 mag, 223 wylde(stuck cases) just stick with normal calibers and they’re probably fine. From nearly all I’ve seen their CS is great, sending any missing parts or exchanging the whole thing! Personally I’ve never contacted CS on any firearm I’ve ever owned so I don’t really understand crying about that?
Try the H3 buffer I changed mine out and it did wonders for my feeding issues.
@@cst630 it feeds now. I took it to the range a couple times. No real good footage though. I’m taking it rabbit and dove hunting this weekend and hope to get some good footage.
I think beer creek is a coin toss. before anyone replys that your is the best rifle in the universe. Ive gotten 6 uppers from them
2 were reliable and accurate 4 were basket cases that I rebuilt and put faxon barrels on .
I found sending them back was a waste of time. they claim 1" accuracy but thats at there little 25 yard testing range. I just got a Grendel back they claim was good it shot 5-6" at 100 yards. If you buy from them just budget for a faxon and don't waste expensive ammo if the BCA barrel doesn't shoot really accurate the first few shots just change it because they Never will. you got about a 33% chance with those guys. and they have terrible quality control. bad chambers on 2 of 6 and 4of 6 were less accurate than a snub nose 38 at 50yards
That’s correct! You do got a 33% chance lol. I’ve had 3 uppers from them. The first 2 were returned and this third one was the first one that actually functioned!
I assemble my own uppers and I do not think I will ever buy from them again.
They are about cheap and fast they probably use the bullet button tell it stops putting any rifling in lol what I seen on them is they are very rough machining no care for details but for the price you get what you pay for which I've been happy with so far.
I had a problem with my bca upper. My bcg would have resistance going into battery. Turns out the hand guard was the issue. Found out it was machined 180 degrees off from the inside and the machined inside was pushing the gas tube to one side. Since i had anothe bca upper for reference i noticed that. So i filed down that area and now all good. There QC is questionable how did they not notice something was wrong when assembling it. I mean i noticed it right away.
They just crank them out. I doubt every one of them is inspected. They probably forced the bolt closed and thought it was fine.
Not a single company that has made .410 uppers have made a reliable product. Not ATI, not any of the Turkish companies and not BCA.
I agree! I did fire about 20 rounds through this one reliably but they were all single fed.
@@gunsforevery1What a farce! Just not possible for a plastic hull to consistently run through this action. Apparently, BCA didn’t learn from all the failed .410 uppers that preceded it.
@@fanbatcherto be fair, I took my upper out last Friday and I fired about 30 rounds. The 5 rounders functioned flawlessly, the 10 rounders jammed until about 5 rounds in.
I’d happily take this upper out hunting.
@@gunsforevery1 That’s been my experience - 5 round mags are more reliable. Hard to avoid rim lock with larger cap mags.
Your .410 upper is just sad and depressed, from being forced to be used in that abortion of a Kalifornia "receiver". Do you have a real AR-15 that you can try it with?
Same exact issue on my RAW lower.
I have their .22 dedicated upper with the side handle charger, and it works great! ( Even in California) I was thinking about one of these .410 uppers, or a complete gun, when I move out of State, but it seems like its cursed. Maybe you can covert yours to pump action?@@gunsforevery1
Look up the silver eagle ar12 i use to have one i shot so many rounds through it never had a issues only ar platform shotgun i have shot without issue there amazing
I bought an upper from them and returned it/ WAY out of spec. BCA is a joke.
I don’t disagree with you. I wanted a 410 U.S. made upper with a 3in chamber though. They had a great sale back in June. I got it for 269 shipped.
I bought an early edition of the BCA .410 upper with the now discontinued 17” handguard. I tried virtually every 2 1/2” slug on the market and got the best results with Herters/Winchester 1/5oz slugs shooting through an Improved Modified choke. Sub 2” groups @ 35 yards - not too bad (with iron sights). However, finding reliable mags is a nightmare - forget anything but 5 round Aksa or similar mags. Had rim lock issues with all the 10 and larger capacity ones I tried.
That’s good to know! I use the AKSA magazines as well. The 5 rounders offered no issues at the range. The 10 rounders jammed up until around 5-6 rounds were in the magazine.
This upper feeds, chambers, and ejects fine. I assume it just needed a little more lube and cycling to get it to work. But this is also the 3rd 410 upper I received from them. The other two absolutely did not work.
Not surprised they’ve been out of stock for quite some time….
I have had pretty much every one of these... I rebuilt the gas system and made a superior firing pin for the gen2 IFC upper and got it running excellent WITH specific ammo and magazines.**
Without modifications, the most recent upper from ATI with very adjustable gas system is very functional with several different loadings, but not with ATI magazines.
The IFC magazines don't easily rim-lock, and ATI magazines are extremely difficult to KEEP from rim-lock.
Having tested every available 410 2-1/2 that will fit in a 410 conversion magazine, the ones that work great to perfect in my AR based 410's, are...
Remington STS/or Nitro sporting clays.
Hornady Triple Defense.
Sometimes others will work ok, but can't handle a 15 round mag dump like the ones listed above. I have only found IFC magazines (10 or 15) to be reliable in my 410 AR conversions.
Hey saw your reply on that decocking video. Sorry to hear the bad luck on the uppers. Ive bought a lot of bear creek stuff. Normally when i wanna do a relatively cheap build. Bear creek is the route i go because there local to my state. Getting ready to build a 762 x39 build. But probably have built 5 of there guns before from 556 all the way up to 450 bushmaster
I have heard people and seen videos that show nothing but praise for their firearms. I have also seen the opposite. I rolled the dice and lost. It’s a shame that it took returning the upper twice before I got a working one.
@gunsforevery1 thats sad to hear. Everything has a good and bads. Sometimes theres just bad batches of things. And for the price they normally are and the sales they run. Theyres bound to be some bad apples here and there. Ive had roughly. 5 complete rifles and pistols through them. And had about 3 just uppers through them. Now there is some differences in barrel harmonics on the short stuff. A buddy had a i think 10 or 7 inch 556, didnt matter how much your strapped it down sledded it or bagged it, or shouldered it. Several sights and fairly expensive red dots later. It just wouldnt hit anywhere near straight it was all over the place. My pistol builds from them have been fine. Again sorry to hear that.
Bought a 350 legend upper from BCA it was trash so i sold it, never again
Sorry to hear you that, but it seems like there’s far more people who have had issues than people who haven’t. I’ll continue to assembly my own uppers.
@@gunsforevery1
That's the way to go
I did a 350 legend really what I seen was they don't clean the feed ramp up after machining it very rough I polished it up adjusted the angle just a hair on the low section h1 or h2 buffer don't remember which did for it but it works beautifully. You get what you pay for over all for the price it what It is if you know what your doing they doable but if you want a out of box ready go rifle id suggest spending few more dollars on something nicer.
@@t-bfr45-70
Yeah I did all that and still couldn't get it to run reliable.
@@texaspatriot9159 was it having under gas issues because bca are known for issues with the bcg assembly being crap to. When I purchased mine they were still using the m4 feed ramp design did you get one with that or a single ramp feed ramp.
BCA is garbage - at least their rifles are. If you disagree & want to keep your rosy opinion of them, DON"T DO THIS: put 1 round in the mag, chamber it, expell it, then examine the damage done to the projectile. (I first STRONGLY recommend removing the firing pin) Trust me, after you see how badly scratched/gouged it is, you'll want to toss it & return your rifle. Most might think it's feed-ramp. Nope - it's the throat (freebore). Can you call it the throat if the rifling extends all the way back to the 2nd neck?
Im not sure whats up with these guys manufacturing because i got one of these .410 uppers that was supposedly a "blem" and it runs great but then the 17hmr rifle i got for my nephew is ungood. Basically same deal herebwith sending it back multiple times and finally just getting my money refunded and getting a .22lr conversion for him so he can throw it in his 5.56 rifle. it's real hit and miss and i love oddball stuff and really want one of their rifles chambered in 270 which is just stupid but in all the best ways. But i really dont want to go through the back and forth again. All that said, bear creek never once gave me any shit over the weapon needing repairs, so far as ive seen their customer service is pretty good
@@limabravo6065 I took mine hunting last month, managed to get a dove with it, it actually functioned finally.
does it really matter how good their customer service is if they can't fix the product?
@@HighOnPoint412 look I don't know what the situation is with this guys weapon and neither do you, but my point was they worked with me where a lot of companies would have told me to go fuck myself. If a company can't make things right with what they sold you and they take care of you with a refund or whatever then yes their customer service absolutely matters because legally they don't have to, they want to be seen as standing behind what they produce and ultimately there will be mistakes that get past qc
I think having a Kali approved lower is the issue. You need to get rid of it. BCA has great customer service . I had chambering issues with my 350 legend. I changed the Magazine to Dura Mags no problems since.
Considering I’ve been using these lowers since 2008 and they have worked with over a dozen uppers in like 5 different calibers, the issue was/is the upper. This specific lower is the only one with additional compliant parts add. The others I have are featureless or contain the old style bullet button (which just made the magazine release a little different).
I do agree their customer service was great, their QA was trash. I shouldnt have had to return it twice before I got an upper that actually chambered. Take a look at my first returned upper to see the issues I was having. It was absolutely an upper/Bolt issue. @crankygunreviews also bought one and had the exact same issues as mine and he doesn’t have a California compliant lower.
I did take this one out to the range on Friday, and it functioned absolutely great! The 10 round mag is the only one that jammed, but the 2 5 rounders I had fed, chambered, and ejected just fine. I fired off about 40 rounds and the only misfeeds were with the 10 round magazine.
@@gunsforevery1actually he's right. And I've tested this with other uppers. It has to do with the magazine wobble that a normal lower would have
@@dravenmcgee3188 my lowers are all “normal”. You can buy stripped lowers and standard lowers here in California.
It is on the gun owner to add the compliant parts. In this case it’s a different take down pin and bolt catch. The magazine well and magazine catch are absolutely untouched.
I just posted my video too!
Save me time and money, thank you
Ever get this out to the range? I had one of the early pre-order versions... It ran like a house fire. But 410 was/is so expensive, I sold it... Kinda hate I did now.
I think bear creek is hit or miss these days. Hope they will get it together.
I did take it out to the range twice but the footage sucked so I decided not to post it. It functioned fine with 5 round magazines. 10 rounders had a couple jams until it got down to 5 rounds.
I’m pretty happy with it but It definitely should have worked the first time. Not the 3rd.
Never understood why they made an upper in 410 when there was no ammo on the planet for them…and still isn’t. I’m sure it wasn’t a hot seller. I’m sure they’ll exchange it for a different upper of your choice. That’s what they were gonna do with me for a 243 that I sent in and they had for over 3/4 of a year with another one sitting on the shelf the whole time they didn’t know to replace it. I at least got one back that shot sub MOA with 11 out if 12 hand loads I tested. Seems like either you get a really good one or a really bad one from them. My first upper I got from them zero issues right off the bat. The second one was a two MOA shooter. At that time they offered in minute of angle guarantee so I sent it back for a replacement. It took so long because they said their tooling was worn out and that’s what was wrong with my first one. They told me they weren’t gonna make 243s anymore, ever, well that was wrong because six months later they were kicking them out again.
410 has been pretty available here in California. I’ve found it for a normal price at a few shops. I have since fired this shotgun and it was reliable with all my 5 round magazines. I mainly wanted it to go rabbit hunting.
@@gunsforevery1 12 gauge 100 round 7.5 dove loads at Walmart were $19 and $21 2 seasons ago. I bought several boxes of each. I have enough for several years of rabbit and squirrels. My semi auto shotguns are way more reliable as well. A box of 25 410 cost almost the same as a 100 round box of 12 gauge here. To bad...back in the early 80's they were $2.99 to $3.99 a box when 12 gauge was $4.99. Retailers imo are gouging 410 ammo. The retail prices have reversed. It was fun when I was a kid and shot grouse, rabbit, and squirrels with the little round in a h and r single shot. I don't need a low recoiling shotgun anymore thank God since I can get 12 gauge rounds for pennies on the dollar vs 410. I bought a couple of cases of 10 round count Remington heavy turkey loads in 12 gauge from Walmart for $5.99 box. A year ago. Trap loads in 410 there were close to $20 for 25 count.
@@tripplebeards3427 that’s roughly what it costs out here. I wanted 410 for the rabbit because I wanted it in an AR platform. We also have to use steel shot for hunting out here so that’s always more expensive than lead.
I read that if you "slap" the magazine in as you would a standard AR, it will jam. Just insert firmly - work fine.
Thanks. I will try that when I take it back out! I mistakenly took it to the range last week but forgot the magazine for it!
I wonder if the magazine is the problem. If they would use the psa ak mag lower or someone with more room we could have some progress on the concept
The original problem was that it wouldn’t even chamber. I have a vid showing the issue. You could the shell in the chamber and release the bolt and it wouldn’t go into battery. It would just dent the shit out of the rims.
@@gunsforevery1 right but what’s the cause of that? Is it geometry, is it out of speck chamber or bolts?
I’m arguing if they used a bigger lower
1- it would allow for using more different lengths of shells, not just federal like the Turkish one I tied
2- would be easier to
Make work with larger tolerances
3- more sales because of popular report
4- really there’s room for 20 ga, it’s just the front to back length.
I love (old ) shot shell price, I love ar’s I just don’t know why we can’t get a good (enough?) version of one, in any gauge
@@saltydecimator based on @crankygunreviews same issue. It was an out of spec extractor grove on the bolt. He put an extractor o ring under the extractor (not in the spot where it normally goes) to life the extractor about 1/16 (or less) and it finally allowed the extractor and shell to go into battery.
I actually removed the extractor in my previous video and the round chambered and went into battery.
@@gunsforevery1 dang that’s obnoxious!!!
I’ve had three or four of those saga 410s over the years and those mostly always worked and they were cheap to I have since sold them and I’ve gotten more expensive so I won’t buy them unless I find them cheap again but I know it’s possible to get something to work I just don’t know why everybody insists on charting out garbage without quality control and a good design
BSA is trash but most FTF on bad tolerance uppers can be fixed if you reload your own rounds. Would not really work with shells but most you can headspace reloads right and the rounds feed fine. My 458 socom upper is a delta tactical and I reload my own and never had an FTF. Side note had issues with my BSA gen 1 side charger and they refused to send a new charging handle. It snapped in half while I was shooting, that should say enough about them.. My life is worth more than $200, I use it for target fun now.
Definitely agree with that, however, should an upper (from any company) come with bad tolerances and headspace?
It should pass headspace gauges from the factory, you should not have an out of spec upper from any manufacturer. This shot gun will definitely have a 12 gauge pump following it closely when used for hunting.
Nah, I have two and love em so far!
Bro mine does not work trying to contact them for a couple weeks and they never got back to me how long did it take them to get back to u
Same day. Call them every 10-15 minutes. Don’t leave a message. When they start auto forwarding you to voicemail wait about an hour and start doing it again. You will get a hold of someone. I did it multiple times no issue.
I have the same problem with my steel trying to get it straightened out
Nothing like a democrat dumb rule to remove an essential part of a rifle in the name of “compliance”
Seriously. It ends up making the weapon more dangerous. Clearing the rifle is a pain in the ass.
@@gunsforevery1 I hate saying democrat bc it’s both sides that comply or the rule could not pass. The UNIPARTY criminals is a better description
And yea brother exactly
I am in Colorado and finally able to get my weapons back I had to sell to find my business but it is a pain because some rifles I want sometimes I can’t get just because of magazine capacity. Yea magazine capacity rules really saving lives bc criminals are the first to comply right 🙄🙄🙄
We gotta get these fools outta cheer and take back our constitutional rights
And you know they are not dumb enough to think their rules help. It’s all about control
@@gunsforevery1 thanks for the video I was considering ordering a 410. O just got my .17 HMR IN AND man it runs great. A .17 on an AR platform is super fun
@@jonathansonnier3078 glad it was helpful! It should serve as a warning to those interested in the 410
exactly. All these laws being brought upon us are only targeting the law abiding citizens. The cops don’t bother at all with the criminals and only harass and threaten the law abiding citizens. The ATF is known to kill have killed American citizens and deliver modified weapons to street gangs in Chicago and the Cartels in Mexico. Too many criminals at the top running this country.
I have a 17 HMR upper. The buffer and buffer spring provided are way too light. Even in a carbine length tube as recommended. The side charging handle broke off after 20 or so rounds. Getting ahold of customer service was a pain in the ass. They eventually ended up sending a replacement part after a not so great review and purchasing one myself because i was tired of waiting. I threw a standard 556/223 buffer spring and buffer in it. I've yet to test fire it again but I can safely say I'm not impressed with bear creek and won't be purchasing anymore of their products.
Damn man that sucks to hear! I had to call them over and over and over over the course of like 4 hours to Finally get a hold of someone.
@gunsforevery1 I build my ARs so it'll be an easy enough fix. I'm just disappointed in bear creeks customer support and my decision to go with the side charging handle. I've been reading in a lot forums that a standard 556/223 spring and buffer work a lot better with bear creeks 17 hmr upper. I bought an extra side charging handle before bear creek finally got around to sending me the replacement part. Next range day I'll test it out again. I should be able to get the rifle running just fine but I'm definitely not impressed with bear creek.
@@bootleg1514 I wish mine was that easy. Crankygunreviews had a fix that seemed to work (putting an extractor o ring towards the extractor face to lift it) but that shouldn’t be the solution. The uppers should all be test fired from the factory and insured they work.
@gunsforevery1 agreed. I also have a buffer weight kit from kak industries. If I need to knock the roll out pin out of the extended buffer that was provided I can make it heavier and add the rimfire buffer tube plug from spikes tactical to prevent the charging handle from slamming into the back of the reciever. I shouldn't have to do these things to get the rifle running though.
@@bootleg1514 I’d think a longer (like rifle length) buffer would help with that by limiting how far back the bolt could travel when using a carbine tube.
Don't use mag fed shotguns use tube fed shoty. That is day one stuff. Ar15s r for shoulder cartridges
Although it sounds fun at least if 410 wasn’t outrageous now. BCA should probably limit their offerings to normal stuff. There’s a reason other companies don’t sell em
I’ll give you that. 410 semi auto ar does sound fun as fuck and that was why u bought it. I really wanted to use it for rabbit hunting. And when I got this one to run it was really fun. 410 HAS to come back soon lol.
Have you tried different mag
I haven’t. All the mags are made by the same exporter but have different names stamped on them. They 5 round mags worked fine when I went to the range. I need to go out and film another video.
.410 is famous for causing problems regardless of the s/a platform. my Saiga wouldn't work niether.
Mine wouldn’t even fully a round that was inserted directly into the chamber. This was the 3rd upper received from that finally worked.
Maybe because shotgun shells are made of plastic
@@chadeverly5254 they feed just fine in other semi automatic shotguns.
"CALIFORNIA COMPLIENT" is what well dressed fascism looks like. thnx for the video.
Bolt release is not california compliant? Not that any of their rules make no sense. But that is one of the worst.
It’s where this particular compliant device fits on a lower. It’s an upside down L shaped bracket that goes in there. When the upper is closed, the long part of the L hands over the magazine catch preventing it from sliding out to drop the magazine. When the upper is opened, the L is spring loaded and moves up enough to allow the magazine catch to move.
This is in compliance as CA state law says the weapon has to be “disassembled” in order to drop a magazine. Having an upper and lower separated enough to where it won’t fire or cycle or considered “disassembled”. It’s only like 1/8th of an inch.
@gunsforevery1 that's wild. If the lawmakers had any knowledge of how an AR works, you guys would get screwed over way worse I'm sure.
@@RickheadWashington absolutely. This has been found unconstitutional in court. There’s an appeal and a stay currently though.
Probably shouldn’t trouble shoot working weapons with live ammo, let alone those you know are having issues.
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Seriously unwise.
Good point. It’s safe though. The problem didn’t have anything to do with it firing. It had to do with chambering.
There was 100% absolutely no way the lower was going to drop the hammer.
It all does come down to your own comfort level though. If you aren’t comfortable or confident in your ability, don’t do it. If you are, and know what your capabilities are, go for it. I was 100% sure it wasn’t going to fire.
I understand brother. I do. And I train a lot. But Murphy’s law is always in play. Best to use brass snap caps. BCG might be out of spec and the pin might come out flying into the snap cap.
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Shit happens. Best of luck.
@@isaudy on my previous video about this I saw that it wasn’t the bolt or locking surfaces that were out of spec, It was purely an extractor and extractor grove issue. The shotgun chambered and fired when the extractor was removed but obviously wouldn’t eject or extract
What's the spring for in the "california" lower?
That locks the lower an upper together automatically after you open it to “disassemble” it.
Juggernaut Tactical makes it. I prefer AR Maglock. It still gives you a hold open
@@luciferlovemonkey6750 I don’t like their mag release. I have one of their first generation ones that came out after the law took effect.
@@luciferlovemonkey6750 plus you have to buy the kingpin in order to get the same upper lower splitting action like with the juggernaut.
@@gunsforevery1 yeah, I have a gen 4. My main issue with it is a set screw on a round pin for compliance. If that screw slips, which it will, the whole assembly fails. I ground the contact point of the pin flat so the set screw would hold better. I just dislike the hold open of the jt. I'm hopeful things change and we can have sanity return.
wtf why can't you have a bolt hold open??? lol. Did you try using a different magazine??
It’s not that I can’t have a bolt hold open, it’s that this particular CA compliant device (there’s maybe 4-5 different types) replaces the bolt hold open with an L shaped bracket that prevents the magazine catch from releasing the magazine unless the rifle is “disassembled”. Having the upper and lower split is considered disassembled. This device when the upper is moved upwards about 1/8th of an inch allows the bracket to slide up moving out of the magazine releases way.
I’ll do a video on it eventually.
@@gunsforevery1 That sounds way over complicated for a lower.... damn, CA really sucks.. I feel bad for you. Are old lowers "grandfathered" in or does everyone have to switch over? Either way, it's BS... Subscribed to your channel though.. look forward to future videos
@@jasonsierchio1167 there are, from 2000 and around 2016. They had to be registered as AWs. I have one lower that is registered.
You could also go featurless which I have done with another lower of mine. There’s a grip fin on it and no flash hider (I have a brake). This is my “standard” lower with a ca compliant lock on it.
It’s extremely odd to use in practice. You shoot. Run out of ammo and the bolt doesn’t lock back. You then have to press the CA device (rear take down pin) it pops the upper up about 1/8th of an inch. The magazine release is now free, drop the mag, insert a fresh mag and push the upper down towards the lower. You hear it click back into place and then you recharge the rifle to use.
@@gunsforevery1 damn man. Some of these states are so silly. Hope one day we can nullify all these stupid laws
Yes. They’re garbage.
Why would I want a 410 at all?
Don’t know, I wanted one for hunting rabbits and dove.
@@gunsforevery1 what can a 410 do that a 12 or 20 can’t do better? Honest question I just don’t get the appeal . Maybe fun for a child or something ?
@@kevmoful a few reasons. The first being because I want to.
Another is for my sons to use and be familiar with when transitioning from hunting with a shotgun to shooting an AR platform rifle.
And also have you never wanted to challenge yourself? There’s only about 1/3 the amount of shot in 410 compared to 12 gauge. Your shot pattern is way smaller, making your room for error way low.
Out here in California you have to use lead free shot (don’t worry. That regulation is coming to your state eventually). As you should know, old shotguns cannot use steel shot. I took my Winchester 1897 made in 1912 to the last dove season opener. I had to use Hevi Bismuth 12 gauge in it to safely shoot lead free shot in that 111 year old shotgun.
It was $80 for one box of 25. Why did I decide to take it out when steel shot from a modern shotgun isn’t more than $11 a box? Because I wanted to lol. I managed to get about 8 dove with those 25 shells. It’s definitely going out again next year.
Perhaps you need to clean it first.
That had absolutely nothing to do with it.
The issue was the extractor not riding over the rim
Run a chamber brush on a drill for a few seconds. I believe some kind of coating gets in their chambers.
@@sog4646 that wasn’t the issue at all.
@@gunsforevery1 i just got a 22/250 upper, and i couldn't drop a round in the chamber until i ran a chamber brush through it.
*AR* Platform
Ok
Yes. BCA is garbage.
You, sir, are a fool for even messing with a .410 gauge round in an R platform. Get real. And, you have the nerve to push your problem off onto BCA. Shame on you !!
I hope you respond.
BCA made this 410 upper. Shouldn’t it be on BCA to test fire or perform some sort of QC before shipping a product? Shouldn’t they ensure that a product they make and sell actually works before selling it? If they knowingly sell a defective product, wouldn’t that fall under something called “bait and switch” or a “scam”?
Why is it shame on me? I’m not taking any issue about the difficulty in feeding a straight walled cartridge. I never expected it to feed 100% reliably from a magazine.
I take issue with the fact that they are (were) selling a product that DOES NOT WORK. It’s shame on me for saying “you sent me a product that will not fire”?
@dpurcell9042
I like bca but if they sell something it should work.
Eaglerun23, is that you?
No?
BCA stands for "Bad choice, Amigo!" That thing is definately not fixed. 😄
Hahaha I love it!
This one does function. For now. I don’t expect it to last forever though. I’ll never get BCA again.
Living in Commie Fornia, you DESERVE what YOU voted for!. WE on the EAST COAST don't have any problems with BCA...That being said.....I'd advice BCA to simply stop trying to make these and stick with rifle caliber stuff, especially in 300 AAC which I've got two (16 inch carbine and now a 7.5 pistol) on PSA corresponding lowers.
@@robertkeller9828 you don’t have any problems with BCA because you live on the east coast? lol that’s hilarious.
I swear by their uppers man function flawlessly I’ve bought well over 10 of them. Never knew about a 410 upper. Sounds like a problem machine regardless.
My 7.62x39 7.5inch upper from them runs fine, just do your checks and see if anything's fucked on it before you run it.....don't forget the oil all factory grease is garbage, do it yourself. There's also a break in period.....you order budget weapons/parts it takes time to breakem in.